Guest guest Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Hi Esther, Thanks for sharing the problem re: yeast. I don't have a problem with a white tongue or with yeast for that matter. My problem is motility and a hiatal hernia. My food gets stuck in my lower esophagus and stomach. Maybe in the lower intestines also as I seem to bloat up and then my stomach is distended for hours. I also must be swallowing a lot of air as I feel much better once I can start burping (belching) up the gas. Have no problem with the lower intestines. They empty out fine and my elimination is great. It's that stuck in the middle feeling that makes me sooooo very uncomfortable.I always feel like I have swallowed a basketball that won't go down. Got any ideas on that? Dolores Esther Warkov <esther_warkov@...> wrote: Hi Dolores, A few days ago I believe you posted something about the gut. I did AP for a year with all kinds of probiotics. The worst symptom for me was oral yeast/coated tongue--indicative of an imbalance in the gut/elsewhere. I took several doses of diflucan and that didn't help either. I've been treated most recently with various natural products including neesby mycopryl 680, thorne undecyn, and thorne formula SF 722 along with oregano oil and oregon grape. I wonder if yeast can also lodge in the joints. ew -- Esther Warkov --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Hi--one dr. I saw says sacromyces bolardis (jarrow) supports the small intestine specifically. Do you have adhesions in that area of the stomach/upper bowel? Do you use digestive enzynmes (broad spectrum)? Have you tried activated charcoal? Is it related to some foods or all foods? ew >Hi Esther, Thanks for sharing the problem re: yeast. I don't have a >problem with a white tongue or with yeast for that matter. My >problem is motility and a hiatal hernia. My food gets stuck in my >lower esophagus and stomach. Maybe in the lower intestines also as I >seem to bloat up and then my stomach is distended for hours. I also >must be swallowing a lot of air as I feel much better once I can >start burping (belching) up the gas. Have no problem with the lower >intestines. They empty out fine and my elimination is great. It's >that stuck in the middle feeling that makes me sooooo very >uncomfortable.I always feel like I have swallowed a basketball that >won't go down. Got any ideas on that? Dolores > -- Esther Warkov, Ph.D Member OMTA, SMTA Founder, The Piano Connection www.thepianoconnection.com 971.255-0388 (Portland) 206.417-0689 (Seattle) pianos@... esther_warkov@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Dolores, Have you had an endoscopy? Also, any swallowing evaluations? Are you on any stomach meds? I have bad reflux for which I take Zegerid, Zantac, and am back on Motilium for the reflux and delayed gastric emptying. Motilium has really worked for me: in the past and again now Carol E from NY mike rosner wrote: > > Hi Esther, Thanks for sharing the problem re: yeast. I don't have a > problem with a white tongue or with yeast for that matter. My problem > is motility and a hiatal hernia. My food gets stuck in my lower > esophagus and stomach. Maybe in the lower intestines also as I seem to > bloat up and then my stomach is distended for hours. I also must be > swallowing a lot of air as I feel much better once I can start burping > (belching) up the gas. Have no problem with the lower intestines. They > empty out fine and my elimination is great. It's that stuck in the > middle feeling that makes me sooooo very uncomfortable.I always feel > like I have swallowed a basketball that won't go down. Got any ideas > on that? Dolores > > Esther Warkov <esther_warkov@... > <mailto:esther_warkov%40comcast.net>> wrote: Hi Dolores, > > A few days ago I believe you posted something about the gut. I did > AP for a year with all kinds of probiotics. The worst symptom for me > was oral yeast/coated tongue--indicative of an imbalance in the > gut/elsewhere. I took several doses of diflucan and that didn't > help either. I've been treated most recently with various natural > products including neesby mycopryl 680, thorne undecyn, and thorne > formula SF 722 along with oregano oil and oregon grape. I wonder if > yeast can also lodge in the joints. ew > -- > Esther Warkov > > --------------------------------- > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user > panel and lay it on us. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 hi esther check out bee's candida diet on the web. she has a list group and an extensive website. on her diet my pain and inflamm is defin down. it is the best anti yeast diet i know of. btw yeast is definitely involved in RA and other rheaum disease. getting rid of yeast definitely decreases symptoms. hope this helps monique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Hi , I just answered your other e-mail about the trimming. If you read my answer to Esther, you would know that I don't have problems with yeast at all. I have a problem with motility and a hiatal hernia. But I appreciate the info on yeast and will save it in case I ever do get a yeast infection. Thank you, Dolores Sauve <moniquesauve@...> wrote: hi esther check out bee's candida diet on the web. she has a list group and an extensive website. on her diet my pain and inflamm is defin down. it is the best anti yeast diet i know of. btw yeast is definitely involved in RA and other rheaum disease. getting rid of yeast definitely decreases symptoms. hope this helps monique --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Hi Esther, My colonoscopy and two endoscopies only showed some inflammation and a hiatal hernia. I was tested and there is no bacteria causing the inflammation. The only food I actually avoid is milk as I am lactose intolerant. Lately, I've gotten the runs after three diferent chinese dinners at different restaurants. But never before. I don't use any enzymes or charcoal. I once devloped an ulcer from too much motrin (not from heliopyloribacteria) which was cured by taking Prevacid. Tha was 7-8 yrs ago before I was diagnosed with S/D & R/A. My main problem, I think is that I can't get the food down fast enough. Between the hernia and the slow motility, I have that feeling of having swallowed a whole melon that is stuck. After a few hours, I get natural relief when it all goes down. But it takes so long and I have to remain upright during the process, because if I lay down, the regurgitation begins and sometimes I lose the dinner and all the meds with it. When I was very ill, and bedridden, I lost 40 lbs and became anemic. I took iron and cured the anemia. They force fed me bits and pieces and I eventually gained back about 15 lbs. I am at my perfect weight now and in two years, I have not gained or lost another lb. So, I'm maintaining my weight. I don't over eat or under eat. I just get the food stuck in the middle and spend a part of my day in misery. I feel best in the a.m. on an empty stomach. As soon as I eat something. Even just a glass of something, I get that full feeling again. Do you think enzymes would work. My docs haven't mentioned anything about enzymes. Any leads would be appreciated. Dolores Esther Warkov <esther_warkov@...> wrote: Hi--one dr. I saw says sacromyces bolardis (jarrow) supports the small intestine specifically. Do you have adhesions in that area of the stomach/upper bowel? Do you use digestive enzynmes (broad spectrum)? Have you tried activated charcoal? Is it related to some foods or all foods? ew >Hi Esther, Thanks for sharing the problem re: yeast. I don't have a >problem with a white tongue or with yeast for that matter. My >problem is motility and a hiatal hernia. My food gets stuck in my >lower esophagus and stomach. Maybe in the lower intestines also as I >seem to bloat up and then my stomach is distended for hours. I also >must be swallowing a lot of air as I feel much better once I can >start burping (belching) up the gas. Have no problem with the lower >intestines. They empty out fine and my elimination is great. It's >that stuck in the middle feeling that makes me sooooo very >uncomfortable.I always feel like I have swallowed a basketball that >won't go down. Got any ideas on that? Dolores > -- Esther Warkov, Ph.D Member OMTA, SMTA Founder, The Piano Connection www.thepianoconnection.com 971.255-0388 (Portland) 206.417-0689 (Seattle) pianos@... esther_warkov@... --------------------------------- You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Dolores; You really need digestive enzymes.One that contains SERRATIOPEPTASE ,it causes proteolysis of all non vital tissues including blood clots,cysts,tissue plaques and cellular debris which causes an inflamatory response.TRYPSIN to degrade protein.LIPASE to break down carbs.PAPAIN and BROMELAIN for digestion.RUTIN,a potent anti inflamatory and oxidant.SUPEROXIDE DISMUTASE to process superoxide,anoxygen radical that is overproduced during inflamation.CATALASE that neutralises the hydrogen peroxide made by our systems and converts it to water and oxygen.L_CYSTEINE which is a super antioxidant for the liquid area that surronds the body cells.It also maintains a balance of reduced glutathion.ZINC . After eating don't sit down,go for a good walk or work out.Immobility after a meal is just terrible mike rosner wrote: > Hi Esther, My colonoscopy and two endoscopies only showed some > inflammation and a hiatal hernia. I was tested and there is no > bacteria causing the inflammation. The only food I actually avoid is > milk as I am lactose intolerant. Lately, I've gotten the runs after > three diferent chinese dinners at different restaurants. But never > before. I don't use any enzymes or charcoal. I once devloped an ulcer > from too much motrin (not from heliopyloribacteria) which was cured by > taking Prevacid. Tha was 7-8 yrs ago before I was diagnosed with S/D & > R/A. My main problem, I think is that I can't get the food down fast > enough. Between the hernia and the slow motility, I have that feeling > of having swallowed a whole melon that is stuck. After a few hours, I > get natural relief when it all goes down. But it takes so long and I > have to remain upright during the process, because if I lay down, the > regurgitation begins and sometimes I lose the dinner and all the! meds > with it. When I > was very ill, and bedridden, I lost 40 lbs and became anemic. I took > iron and cured the anemia. They force fed me bits and pieces and I > eventually gained back about 15 lbs. I am at my perfect weight now and > in two years, I have not gained or lost another lb. So, I'm > maintaining my weight. I don't over eat or under eat. I just get the > food stuck in the middle and spend a part of my day in misery. I feel > best in the a.m. on an empty stomach. As soon as I eat something. Even > just a glass of something, I get that full feeling again. Do you think > enzymes would work. My docs haven't mentioned anything about enzymes. > Any leads would be appreciated. Dolores > > Esther Warkov <esther_warkov@... > <mailto:esther_warkov%40comcast.net>> wrote: Hi--one dr. I saw says > sacromyces bolardis (jarrow) supports the > small intestine specifically. Do you have adhesions in that area of > the stomach/upper bowel? Do you use digestive enzynmes (broad > spectrum)? Have you tried activated charcoal? Is it related to some > foods or all foods? > > ew > > >Hi Esther, Thanks for sharing the problem re: yeast. I don't have a > >problem with a white tongue or with yeast for that matter. My > >problem is motility and a hiatal hernia. My food gets stuck in my > >lower esophagus and stomach. Maybe in the lower intestines also as I > >seem to bloat up and then my stomach is distended for hours. I also > >must be swallowing a lot of air as I feel much better once I can > >start burping (belching) up the gas. Have no problem with the lower > >intestines. They empty out fine and my elimination is great. It's > >that stuck in the middle feeling that makes me sooooo very > >uncomfortable.I always feel like I have swallowed a basketball that > >won't go down. Got any ideas on that? Dolores > > > > -- > Esther Warkov, Ph.D > Member OMTA, SMTA > Founder, The Piano Connection > www.thepianoconnection.com > 971.255-0388 (Portland) > 206.417-0689 (Seattle) > pianos@... <mailto:pianos%40thepianoconnection.com> > esther_warkov@... <mailto:esther_warkov%40comcast.net> > > --------------------------------- > You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck > in the all-new Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Lynn, are these all separate supplements, or can all of these be found in one supplement? _____ From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf Of lynneandsantos Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 6:11 PM rheumatic Subject: Re: rheumatic Dolores Dolores; You really need digestive enzymes.One that contains SERRATIOPEPTASE ,it causes proteolysis of all non vital tissues including blood clots,cysts,tissue plaques and cellular debris which causes an inflamatory response.TRYPSIN to degrade protein.LIPASE to break down carbs.PAPAIN and BROMELAIN for digestion.RUTIN,a potent anti inflamatory and oxidant.SUPEROXIDE DISMUTASE to process superoxide,anoxygen radical that is overproduced during inflamation.CATALASE that neutralises the hydrogen peroxide made by our systems and converts it to water and oxygen.L_CYSTEINE which is a super antioxidant for the liquid area that surronds the body cells.It also maintains a balance of reduced glutathion.ZINC . After eating don't sit down,go for a good walk or work out.Immobility after a meal is just terrible mike rosner wrote: > Hi Esther, My colonoscopy and two endoscopies only showed some > inflammation and a hiatal hernia. I was tested and there is no > bacteria causing the inflammation. The only food I actually avoid is > milk as I am lactose intolerant. Lately, I've gotten the runs after > three diferent chinese dinners at different restaurants. But never > before. I don't use any enzymes or charcoal. I once devloped an ulcer > from too much motrin (not from heliopyloribacteria) which was cured by > taking Prevacid. Tha was 7-8 yrs ago before I was diagnosed with S/D & > R/A. My main problem, I think is that I can't get the food down fast > enough. Between the hernia and the slow motility, I have that feeling > of having swallowed a whole melon that is stuck. After a few hours, I > get natural relief when it all goes down. But it takes so long and I > have to remain upright during the process, because if I lay down, the > regurgitation begins and sometimes I lose the dinner and all the! meds > with it. When I > was very ill, and bedridden, I lost 40 lbs and became anemic. I took > iron and cured the anemia. They force fed me bits and pieces and I > eventually gained back about 15 lbs. I am at my perfect weight now and > in two years, I have not gained or lost another lb. So, I'm > maintaining my weight. I don't over eat or under eat. I just get the > food stuck in the middle and spend a part of my day in misery. I feel > best in the a.m. on an empty stomach. As soon as I eat something. Even > just a glass of something, I get that full feeling again. Do you think > enzymes would work. My docs haven't mentioned anything about enzymes. > Any leads would be appreciated. Dolores > > Esther Warkov <esther_warkov@ <mailto:esther_warkov%40comcast.net> comcast.net > <mailto:esther_warkov%40comcast.net>> wrote: Hi--one dr. I saw says > sacromyces bolardis (jarrow) supports the > small intestine specifically. Do you have adhesions in that area of > the stomach/upper bowel? Do you use digestive enzynmes (broad > spectrum)? Have you tried activated charcoal? Is it related to some > foods or all foods? > > ew > > >Hi Esther, Thanks for sharing the problem re: yeast. I don't have a > >problem with a white tongue or with yeast for that matter. My > >problem is motility and a hiatal hernia. My food gets stuck in my > >lower esophagus and stomach. Maybe in the lower intestines also as I > >seem to bloat up and then my stomach is distended for hours. I also > >must be swallowing a lot of air as I feel much better once I can > >start burping (belching) up the gas. Have no problem with the lower > >intestines. They empty out fine and my elimination is great. It's > >that stuck in the middle feeling that makes me sooooo very > >uncomfortable.I always feel like I have swallowed a basketball that > >won't go down. Got any ideas on that? Dolores > > > > -- > Esther Warkov, Ph.D > Member OMTA, SMTA > Founder, The Piano Connection > www.thepianoconnection.com > 971.255-0388 (Portland) > 206.417-0689 (Seattle) > pianos@thepianoconn <mailto:pianos%40thepianoconnection.com> ection.com <mailto:pianos%40thepianoconnection.com> > esther_warkov@ <mailto:esther_warkov%40comcast.net> comcast.net <mailto:esther_warkov%40comcast.net> > > --------------------------------- > You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck > in the all-new Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 hi I have a hiatal hernia, and you I actually push it down, and manipulate it. if it is very painful, find a good chiropractor, and they can push it out. mine helps me........ Deb --- mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...> wrote: > Hi Carol, Yes, I had several endoscopies in 2005 > when I was first diagnosed and a colonoscopy. All > they found was some inflammation. I've had the > hiatal hernia for years and I had an ulcer that was > caused by too much Motrin a few 7-8 yrs years back. > They gave me Prevacid and within no time the ulcer > healed. The reflux was diagnosed around that time > too. I didn't know that with S/D comes gerd too. > My pulmonologist said not to go to sleep on a full > stomach. Well, I never can sleep if my stomach is > full. But I do have something simple about an hour > or two before hitting the sack. I usually sit up in > my strato lounge chair and watch T.V. before getting > sleepy enough to conk out in bed. I sleep on my > stomach even tho' she wants me to put up a wedge > behind my pillow to sleep on. This, I can't do as I > have sleep apnea and snore in an upright position. > When I am face down on my stomach, I don't snore and > have a better night's sleep. My pillow is flat or on > the floor when > I wake up. As far as meds go. I've just started > taking the Prevacid again before bedtime. During > the day, I take acidophillus. Breatfast/lunches, > snacks, etc. I can tolerate fine. It's dinner, when > I make a pig of myself and tend to overeat. Then I > feel like the camel who stuffed his hump with water > for the long trek in the desert and I'm miserable. > If I could just control the portions at dinner, and > sometimes, the family bring out the crackers & > cheese or some pretzels during T.V. time, I think I > would be okay, but I love that nice evening comfort > food. My doc prescribed Reglan, but I have not > taken it, yet. I take so many meds for > heart/diabetes/blood > thinners/calcium/acidophillus/cholesterol etc.and > the Minocin, that after a handful of pills and a > full glass of water, I feel like I've got that > watermelon stuck in my gut again. I know that part > is the hiatal hernia and I know, that other than > surgery, they can't do anything about it. When I > was first > diagnosed, I had lost 40 lbs. Then they started > force feeding me. Got rid of the anemia with iron > pills and I gained back about 15 lbs. and I stopped > there. That should be my ideal wt. I haven't > gained a lb. since. So, I'm not really overeating. > And I'm not undereating. But I'm still bloated and > the food just lays there for too long. Eventually > it goes down. I feel best in the morning on an > empty stomach. Wish I didn't have to eat. You think > Motilium might work. I'll ask my doc. Thanks. > Dolores > > Carol Esposito <myscarol@...> wrote: > Dolores, > Have you had an endoscopy? Also, any swallowing > evaluations? Are you > on any stomach meds? I have bad reflux for which I > take Zegerid, > Zantac, and am back on Motilium for the reflux and > delayed gastric > emptying. Motilium has really worked for me: in the > past and again now > Carol E from NY > > mike rosner wrote: > > > > Hi Esther, Thanks for sharing the problem re: > yeast. I don't have a > > problem with a white tongue or with yeast for that > matter. My problem > > is motility and a hiatal hernia. My food gets > stuck in my lower > > esophagus and stomach. Maybe in the lower > intestines also as I seem to > > bloat up and then my stomach is distended for > hours. I also must be > > swallowing a lot of air as I feel much better once > I can start burping > > (belching) up the gas. Have no problem with the > lower intestines. They > > empty out fine and my elimination is great. It's > that stuck in the > > middle feeling that makes me sooooo very > uncomfortable.I always feel > > like I have swallowed a basketball that won't go > down. Got any ideas > > on that? Dolores > > > > Esther Warkov <esther_warkov@... > > <mailto:esther_warkov%40comcast.net>> wrote: Hi > Dolores, > > > > A few days ago I believe you posted something > about the gut. I did > > AP for a year with all kinds of probiotics. The > worst symptom for me > > was oral yeast/coated tongue--indicative of an > imbalance in the > > gut/elsewhere. I took several doses of diflucan > and that didn't > > help either. I've been treated most recently with > various natural > > products including neesby mycopryl 680, thorne > undecyn, and thorne > > formula SF 722 along with oregano oil and oregon > grape. I wonder if > > yeast can also lodge in the joints. ew > > -- > > Esther Warkov > > > > --------------------------------- > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? 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Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Hi Dolores, OK< I had something like those symptoms when the food started moving down. I've always found naturalpathic doctors (really good ones) to have some good suggestions/therapies/approaches. Most recently, with the same symptom, the dr. told me not to go so long from dinner to breakfast which I had around 11 AM , as apparently the body does a real number on the food when it arrives after such a long interval. She suggested eating a small amount earlier in the day. I think there is often some bio-chemical mechanism, but most standard doctors tend to run out of ideas. Have you tried medibulk by Thorne. You can take it several times a day and that might help things move along. ew -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Hi Patrice; You can get that all in one capsule.The intersting thing about these enzymes is that they work as an inflamatory if taken away from meals.If taken an hour before or after they work as digestive enzymes.Any reputable vitamin company makes them here in Canada so I expect it must be the same in the U.S. Most people over 40 start to lose the HCL in the stomack and it decreases as time goes by.When I was a kid I kept seeing my grandparents taking antacids all the time .Now I know that their problems were not too much acid,but too little which made digestion difficult and gave the same symptoms as of having to much .Wobenzym is a very good brand from Germany but expensive so just print my last message or if you are in the vitamin shop compare W to a home made brand. Lynne Patrice wrote: > Lynn, are these all separate supplements, or can all of these be found in > one supplement? > > _____ > > From: rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40> > [mailto:rheumatic > <mailto:rheumatic%40>] On Behalf > Of lynneandsantos > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 6:11 PM > rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40> > Subject: Re: rheumatic Dolores > > Dolores; > You really need digestive enzymes.One that contains SERRATIOPEPTASE > ,it causes proteolysis of all non vital tissues including blood > clots,cysts,tissue plaques and cellular debris which causes an > inflamatory response.TRYPSIN to degrade protein.LIPASE to break down > carbs.PAPAIN and BROMELAIN for digestion.RUTIN,a potent anti inflamatory > and oxidant.SUPEROXIDE DISMUTASE to process superoxide,anoxygen radical > that is overproduced during inflamation.CATALASE that neutralises the > hydrogen peroxide made by our systems and converts it to water and > oxygen.L_CYSTEINE which is a super antioxidant for the liquid area that > surronds the body cells.It also maintains a balance of reduced > glutathion.ZINC . > After eating don't sit down,go for a good walk or work out.Immobility > after a meal is just terrible > > mike rosner wrote: > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Enzymes! Great. I've got the same question. Do they all come in one capsule? Or do I have to buy all different bottles? What's the name of what I have to ask for? Love, Dodo lynneandsantos <lynneandsantos@...> wrote: Hi Patrice; You can get that all in one capsule.The intersting thing about these enzymes is that they work as an inflamatory if taken away from meals.If taken an hour before or after they work as digestive enzymes.Any reputable vitamin company makes them here in Canada so I expect it must be the same in the U.S. Most people over 40 start to lose the HCL in the stomack and it decreases as time goes by.When I was a kid I kept seeing my grandparents taking antacids all the time .Now I know that their problems were not too much acid,but too little which made digestion difficult and gave the same symptoms as of having to much .Wobenzym is a very good brand from Germany but expensive so just print my last message or if you are in the vitamin shop compare W to a home made brand. Lynne Patrice wrote: > Lynn, are these all separate supplements, or can all of these be found in > one supplement? > > _____ > > From: rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40> > [mailto:rheumatic > <mailto:rheumatic%40>] On Behalf > Of lynneandsantos > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 6:11 PM > rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40> > Subject: Re: rheumatic Dolores > > Dolores; > You really need digestive enzymes.One that contains SERRATIOPEPTASE > ,it causes proteolysis of all non vital tissues including blood > clots,cysts,tissue plaques and cellular debris which causes an > inflamatory response.TRYPSIN to degrade protein.LIPASE to break down > carbs.PAPAIN and BROMELAIN for digestion.RUTIN,a potent anti inflamatory > and oxidant.SUPEROXIDE DISMUTASE to process superoxide,anoxygen radical > that is overproduced during inflamation.CATALASE that neutralises the > hydrogen peroxide made by our systems and converts it to water and > oxygen.L_CYSTEINE which is a super antioxidant for the liquid area that > surronds the body cells.It also maintains a balance of reduced > glutathion.ZINC . > After eating don't sit down,go for a good walk or work out.Immobility > after a meal is just terrible > > mike rosner wrote: > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 I get my Wobenzym (800 tablet size) for around $90.00 at swansonvitamins.com or vitacost.com. My doctor recommends taking five in the a.m. and p.m. on an empty stomach for inflammation, and three with each meal as a digestive aid. I find they work wonderfully. El _____ From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf Of mike rosner Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:54 PM rheumatic Subject: Re: rheumatic Dolores Enzymes! Great. I've got the same question. Do they all come in one capsule? Or do I have to buy all different bottles? What's the name of what I have to ask for? Love, Dodo lynneandsantos <lynneandsantos@ <mailto:lynneandsantos%40citenet.net> citenet.net> wrote: Hi Patrice; You can get that all in one capsule.The intersting thing about these enzymes is that they work as an inflamatory if taken away from meals.If taken an hour before or after they work as digestive enzymes.Any reputable vitamin company makes them here in Canada so I expect it must be the same in the U.S. Most people over 40 start to lose the HCL in the stomack and it decreases as time goes by.When I was a kid I kept seeing my grandparents taking antacids all the time .Now I know that their problems were not too much acid,but too little which made digestion difficult and gave the same symptoms as of having to much .Wobenzym is a very good brand from Germany but expensive so just print my last message or if you are in the vitamin shop compare W to a home made brand. Lynne Patrice wrote: > Lynn, are these all separate supplements, or can all of these be found in > one supplement? > > _____ > > From: rheumatic@grou <mailto:rheumatic%40> ps.com <mailto:rheumatic%40> > [mailto:rheumatic@grou <mailto:rheumatic%40> ps.com > <mailto:rheumatic%40>] On Behalf > Of lynneandsantos > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 6:11 PM > rheumatic@grou <mailto:rheumatic%40> ps.com <mailto:rheumatic%40> > Subject: Re: rheumatic Dolores > > Dolores; > You really need digestive enzymes.One that contains SERRATIOPEPTASE > ,it causes proteolysis of all non vital tissues including blood > clots,cysts,tissue plaques and cellular debris which causes an > inflamatory response.TRYPSIN to degrade protein.LIPASE to break down > carbs.PAPAIN and BROMELAIN for digestion.RUTIN,a potent anti inflamatory > and oxidant.SUPEROXIDE DISMUTASE to process superoxide,anoxygen radical > that is overproduced during inflamation.CATALASE that neutralises the > hydrogen peroxide made by our systems and converts it to water and > oxygen.L_CYSTEINE which is a super antioxidant for the liquid area that > surronds the body cells.It also maintains a balance of reduced > glutathion.ZINC . > After eating don't sit down,go for a good walk or work out.Immobility > after a meal is just terrible > > mike rosner wrote: > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Thank you Esther. I will try it. I'm getting so many wonderful suggestions. What a great site. This is the way it should always be. Dolores Esther Warkov <esther_warkov@...> wrote: Hi Dolores, OK< I had something like those symptoms when the food started moving down. I've always found naturalpathic doctors (really good ones) to have some good suggestions/therapies/approaches. Most recently, with the same symptom, the dr. told me not to go so long from dinner to breakfast which I had around 11 AM , as apparently the body does a real number on the food when it arrives after such a long interval. She suggested eating a small amount earlier in the day. I think there is often some bio-chemical mechanism, but most standard doctors tend to run out of ideas. Have you tried medibulk by Thorne. You can take it several times a day and that might help things move along. ew -- --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Hi El. Wobezyme, yes, I've heard about them. A bit pricey for me, but I will check it out. Thank you very much. Dolores ehgooding <ehgooding@...> wrote: I get my Wobenzym (800 tablet size) for around $90.00 at swansonvitamins.com or vitacost.com. My doctor recommends taking five in the a.m. and p.m. on an empty stomach for inflammation, and three with each meal as a digestive aid. I find they work wonderfully. El _____ From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf Of mike rosner Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:54 PM rheumatic Subject: Re: rheumatic Dolores Enzymes! Great. I've got the same question. Do they all come in one capsule? Or do I have to buy all different bottles? What's the name of what I have to ask for? Love, Dodo lynneandsantos <lynneandsantos@ <mailto:lynneandsantos%40citenet.net> citenet.net> wrote: Hi Patrice; You can get that all in one capsule.The intersting thing about these enzymes is that they work as an inflamatory if taken away from meals.If taken an hour before or after they work as digestive enzymes.Any reputable vitamin company makes them here in Canada so I expect it must be the same in the U.S. Most people over 40 start to lose the HCL in the stomack and it decreases as time goes by.When I was a kid I kept seeing my grandparents taking antacids all the time .Now I know that their problems were not too much acid,but too little which made digestion difficult and gave the same symptoms as of having to much .Wobenzym is a very good brand from Germany but expensive so just print my last message or if you are in the vitamin shop compare W to a home made brand. Lynne Patrice wrote: > Lynn, are these all separate supplements, or can all of these be found in > one supplement? > > _____ > > From: rheumatic@grou <mailto:rheumatic%40> ps.com <mailto:rheumatic%40> > [mailto:rheumatic@grou <mailto:rheumatic%40> ps.com > <mailto:rheumatic%40>] On Behalf > Of lynneandsantos > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 6:11 PM > rheumatic@grou <mailto:rheumatic%40> ps.com <mailto:rheumatic%40> > Subject: Re: rheumatic Dolores > > Dolores; > You really need digestive enzymes.One that contains SERRATIOPEPTASE > ,it causes proteolysis of all non vital tissues including blood > clots,cysts,tissue plaques and cellular debris which causes an > inflamatory response.TRYPSIN to degrade protein.LIPASE to break down > carbs.PAPAIN and BROMELAIN for digestion.RUTIN,a potent anti inflamatory > and oxidant.SUPEROXIDE DISMUTASE to process superoxide,anoxygen radical > that is overproduced during inflamation.CATALASE that neutralises the > hydrogen peroxide made by our systems and converts it to water and > oxygen.L_CYSTEINE which is a super antioxidant for the liquid area that > surronds the body cells.It also maintains a balance of reduced > glutathion.ZINC . > After eating don't sit down,go for a good walk or work out.Immobility > after a meal is just terrible > > mike rosner wrote: > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Hi Leoni, Other's have said they read it in a book, but can't remember which one, so it might be true. Dr. Trentham is supposed to be a super A/P doc, so I did just as he said. Been in remission since May 2007 on Minocin alone. Hope your recovery is an easy and less complicated one. Have a Happy, Healthy, Healing New Year!~~~~~Dolores leonie cent <leoniecent@...> wrote: oh that's ok Dolores NSAIDS are notorious for ruining the stomach lining. I just read that the AP can't penetrate the cells if surrounded by too much inflammation, hence the NSAIDS. But everyone is different like your case, so do different things. Best, Leonie Re: rheumatic about Celebrex and AP Leoni, Have you read the books by Scammell. They explain the entire process. You don't need any extra antiinflammatory. Minocin is an antiinflammatory in itself as well as an antibiotic. Anything you add extra to that could diminish the ability for Minocin to do it's work. Dolores leonie cent <leoniecentbigpond (DOT) <mailto:leoniecent%40bigpond.com> com> wrote: Hello everyone......I read that you have to take NSAIDS whilst on the AP, to keep the inflammation down so the AP can get into the cells properly. I currently take Celebrex and was wondering how long you have to keep taking the NSAIDS whilst on AP ? My aim is to give up Celebrex all together as I worry about it's side effects. Does anyone have any experiences to share with me ? Thanks... ~Leonie (Canberra, Australia) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Hi Leoni, I don't mind spreading information on S/D. There are different types of S/D. Google S/D and you will find all the various kinds and how they affect the person. Some is called limited, linear, diffuse, systemic, speckled, CREST, and it can affect only internal organs or only external organs (like the skin which is the largest organ of the body). Sometimes it affects the kidneys, bladder, heart, lungs, liver. It can also affect the fingers and facial features. Basically it was called the " Stone Disease " because in past times, people's cell hardened until they turned to stone and whichever vital organ failed first would be the cause of death. The disease causes collagen build up anywhere on the body and in multiple places and hardening of the cells being internal, external or both. It is terminal disease and I was told I was terminal w/o much time left as my lungs were in trouble. My was called scleroderma sine sclerosis. Or that may be the other way around. I don't have that information in front of me. Then I quickly developed, Raynauds which affects the blood vessels of the hands basically and can affect the feet. The blood vessels in other areas are also affected. My first symptom was increasingly progressive muscle and joint pain. had no idea that the lungs were failing first. I went to many doctors who could find nothing and referred me to the mental health clinic to see what was causing my hyprochondriac condition. It wasn't until I couldn't handle another day that I begged to be taken to the hospital. There they found the pulmonary fibrosis. It was still almost a year later, till I was finally diagnosed. I spent that year bedridden. Went on Minocin and 18 months later, I was in remmission and there is no stopping me now. We work, we play and live a full life in spite of our combined illnesses, we lead a fulfilling, happy life. That's the hope I wish to pass on to others.~~~~~Take care, stay in touch. Henry Scammell's Book, Scleroderma, " The Proven Therapy That Can Save Your Life! " can explain completely what Scleroderma is. I wish there were this type of book for all Th 1 diseases. Maybe I can educate myself so I can write those books. Stay in touch! And good luck with your recovery. Besides Scleroderma, I have R/A and MCTD. Most of us have overlapping diseases which makes coping a bit more difficult. ~~~~~~Dolores & Mike leonie cent <leoniecent@...> wrote: hi Dolores... I'm sorry if I get confused between you and Mike and the separate problems you both have... also I'm sorry to hear that Scleroderma has affected you so badly . Even having RA myself, I am ignorant of how Scleroderma affects people who suffer it. I have looked it up on the internet, but I still can't get a grip of what it actually does to you on a daily basis. Did you have a lot of pain with it, and where is the pain located ? How else does it make you feel ? I suppose I should wait for the book to come out and then I'll really find out about it. Leonie Re: rheumatic Gwen's story Wow! Thank you for forwarding Gwen's letter. This makes it all worthwhile. Tell Gwen to continue to stay in touch as we would love to keep hearing about her progress. I don't know if you know, but I am in the midst of writing a book of stories written by the patients to everybody. Most books are written by professionals, but none are written by us who are afflicted, fighting and coping. Some of us are able to rise above the pain, disappointments and struggle to help others. My beef is that whenever Mike and I wear our Scleroderma hats or backpacks, people ask us, " What is Scleroderma? " We are desperately working to put an end to that question and bring about awareness, so that no one will ever ask again, what is?----------to any of our Th 1 diseases. I also got sick in 2004, but it was the end of 2005 before I was diagnosed. I learned about the " Infectious Theory " and the Antibiotic Protocol from people who post on this site and from the RBF. By January 2006, I was on Minocin. I, too was bedridden for 8 months and went into remission in May 2007. Started doing research and still learning. I am a writer. Not well known, but have been awarded for my poetry. Decided on the book and may keep on writing till the whole world knows what we are up against. If Gwen would like, I would like to put her story into my book, just the way she wrote it. The proceeds from the book after expenses will be delegated to research. I want someone to find a cure. That is my prayer for 2008 These stories are uplifting and educational and hopefully life saving. Thank you, Dolores & Mike Adlard <cadlard@...> wrote: Hi all, Gwen has sent us her story which I've just put on our website at rheumatic.org. Thankyou very much Gwen and I'm very glad to hear how much better your life is now. Chris. ___________________________________________ GWEN, Polymyalgia Rheumatica/Giant Cell Arteritis My life has been one of constant pain throughout my body as I have a history of multiple chronic illnesses - Raynaud's, Osteoarthritis plus a mild case of rheumatoid arthritis, but in late 2004 my life took a turn for the worse. I was so ill, and in so much pain throughout my body I could not even get out of bed. I had seen many doctors and had numerous tests. Blood test results revealed CRP and ESR high and FBC low. In January 2005, I developed a huge lump on my temple so went back to the doctor again to see what this could be. He thought I had hit my head in my sleep, but in the next few days the lump grew bigger so I went back to the doctor again. Alarm bells were starting to ring for him and he sent me for more tests. The doctor rang me the next day and told me to pack a bag and go directly to the eye hospital, as he had finally found out what was wrong with me. I had Polymyalgia Rheumatica, plus the secondary complication of Giant Cell Arteritis because they did not diagnose the PR early enough. They operated on my head the next day and confirmed I had GCA - proceeding then to fill me full of drugs. My doctor could not stop telling me how sorry he was - he thought I was too young to have PR (58 years) - only people in their 70s get this disease. I had to retire from work after 18 years - too ill to continue. I was sent to the Rheumy, put on toxic drugs including 65 mg. of prednisone, weekly injections of methotrexate, plus Mobic. I was so ill at one stage I didn't care if I lived or died. There was improvement from the drugs in the beginning, but the side effects were horrendous. I got high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and worst of all - steroid induced diabetes. My life was a mess. In 2006, I decided to search the internet to see if anyone could help me as I was under 5 different doctors and getting nowhere. I knew I had to do something or I was going to end my life in misery. I came across this wonderful support group (www.rheumatic.org) that saved my life. Just being able to send emails back and forth, knowing you are not alone in this fight, was a big help to me. Now the fun started trying to convince the rheumy to give me the antibiotic protocol. I took all my print outs about members' success stories, but she would not even read them. She said there was no proof this worked in her journals - head in the sand attitude. So back I went to the GP and put my case to her. She said if I could get another doctor to support me she would give me Minocin. So I went to my orthopaedic surgeon who looks after my knees and hips. Well, he was very supportive when he read the notes saying it made sense to him as often when he is operating on patients he has made the comment to other doctors that the inflammation he was seeing in the joints looked more like infection, so he agreed to write my GP a letter of support for the AP. Back to the GP I went and she gave me a script for Minocin - asking me to sign a disclaimer which I was willing to do - getting me started on the road back from hell. My dose to start was 200 mg. per day for about four months. When the pain started to improve, I gave up the steroids* and methotrexate, and went to 100 mg per day for another three months until I reached remission. Now I take 100 mg. three times a week to keep me in remission. I am living proof this treatment works. Even my Raynaud's is in remission. All of my doctors (except the rheumy which I gave the sack to) cannot believe the change in me, and now believe the treatment works and are giving it to their other patients. I owe a lot of thanks to the group - especially Harold, Mike, Ethel, Delores and other members who told their stories to help people like me. If you would like to know more about my treatment please feel free to email me. Regards, Gwen *Patients on steroids should not stop them abruptly, but wean off of them slowly under the guidance of their physician. You can reach me at gmartin4@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 You are welcome! Hope you get to see NYC someday. It is very different than the rest of America. Typically, more European only with a variety of mixes and cultures from the East and West. A little universe! Very diverse and interesting. Lots of flavors, colors and languages spoken here. I've always been intrigued by Australia. It is this huge Island Nation in the Pacific on the other side of the world for me and I've always loved the stories about how England sent her prisoners there and they met the Aborigines. I see all movies made in Australia. I hear that for it's size, it is sparsely populated. Manhattan is also an Island (small) and overpopulated. It's difficult even to cross the street, especially in summer when all the tourists come. Yet, we share a common disease. Go Figure! Take care of yourself and congrats on getting on A/P. I've been on since Jan. 2006. It has saved my life. Dolores & Mike leonie cent <leoniecent@...> wrote: Thanks Dolores ... i'll remember that for when i visit there one day. I'm waiting to start the AP. My doc in 4 hours away, so it's a bit of a slow process to get started. Thanks for asking. Best, Leonie Re: rheumatic Rhonda Leonie - Where in NJ are you from? I lived the first 48 years of my life in NJ and recently moved to NH - the past 15 months have brought me many problems with arthritis, possible sjogrens, much pain, and a lot of questions left unanswered - leaving in the a.m. for a specialist in Boston - hoping to get some answers and hope there. Gail **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002\ 5 48) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Wow! I can't imagine what it's like to never have left your hometown or been in other parts of Australia. Mike and I have traveled a lot, yet not as much as some of my friends. Australians are known for buying one of those round the world in one direction tickets. I met many Australians that way and even hosted some. Been through most of the US, Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, several times to Europe, both East and West, and Iceland. Lived in Hawaii for a while. There is so much more of the world I would like to see. Maybe, I will get the chance once I am finished with MP. You ought to get out more. It doesn't sound like your country has much in the way of transportation from one side of the Island to the other. I guess you have to have a four-wheel-drive to get around. At least that is how the movies portrays it. But you have what I love and that is that you are surrounded by beaches. I love the beaches. Right now, you are in summer and I am in winter freezing my arse off. Are your winters cold, snowy and wet? Australia reminds me of the Arizona Desert. Been thinking of moving there. It's dry, dusty, brown with lots of cowboys and country music. Take care~~~~Happy, healthy healing, Dolores & Mike leonie cent <leoniecent@...> wrote: hi Dolores and Mike. i'm flattered that you are so intrigued by my country. actually, i'm sad to say that i have hardly been out of my own town for most of life, so i think i am just as intrigued about what lies out there in Australia as you !! and you have probably seen more australian movies than i have ! thanks for the encouragement.... Leonie Re: rheumatic Rhonda Leonie - Where in NJ are you from? I lived the first 48 years of my life in NJ and recently moved to NH - the past 15 months have brought me many problems with arthritis, possible sjogrens, much pain, and a lot of questions left unanswered - leaving in the a.m. for a specialist in Boston - hoping to get some answers and hope there. Gail **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002\ 5 48) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Yes, it's a shame. I will go travelling one day for sure. Right now, i don't have the energy to hardly get past my front door. We actually do have good transportation from one side of Australia to the other. It's called jet planes . I can get to Western Australia in a few hours from where I live on the East Coast.... or anywhere for that matter. Yes, there's a big whopping dessert in the middle. However, it's not as primitive here as some Americans think it is. We have just about everything you guys have in terms of technology. You obviously love travelling which is great, and you are lucky to be able to afford it. I will look you up when I come to NY Best, Leonie Re: rheumatic Rhonda Leonie - Where in NJ are you from? I lived the first 48 years of my life in NJ and recently moved to NH - the past 15 months have brought me many problems with arthritis, possible sjogrens, much pain, and a lot of questions left unanswered - leaving in the a.m. for a specialist in Boston - hoping to get some answers and hope there. Gail **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002\ 5 48) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Hi, I did most of my traveling before I got sick. And yes, in those days, I was working as a nurse. Been one for 40+years. When I got my paychecks, some would always go to my traveling expenses. That was very important to me. I would have loved to have traveled around the whole world. Even tho', I saw much, there was still much I never got to see. I still plan on getting to some of those places yet. I have not given up. Working on it. That is why we bought the R/V. This way I can travel and still sleep in my own bed at night and fix my own meals. What a great way to go? When I said, that it seems like there's not much in the way of transportation from one side of the Island to the other, I was talking about ground transport. You don't see anything when you fly. Is your Island Nation crisscrossed by super highways, so that you can get from point A to point B in comfort. Are there gas stations on those highways, restaurants and hotels? All I ever see in the movies are desert, snakes, crocs, kangaroos and Koala Bears. I'm sure the cities have everything, But what about the place you call the " Outback " What is that like? Do the aborigines still live in the jungles? This is what the movies show. If you or a friend have a digital camera, I would love to see photos of your country. The whole world knows what NYC looks like. We are a city of skyscrapers and way too much traffic in the street 24/7. Lots of tourists and everybody shops and eats. Most of the European cities are very much like NYC. Paris, Rome, London, Berlin, Vienna, Copenhagen, Prague, Barcellona, Montreal, Mexico City and Los Angeles are all crowded cities. I've been to all of them. Now I'm looking for some slow back country roads. Take care. Now you've got a little peice of my dreams. Take care,~~~Dolores & Mike leonie cent <leoniecent@...> wrote: Yes, it's a shame. I will go travelling one day for sure. Right now, i don't have the energy to hardly get past my front door. We actually do have good transportation from one side of Australia to the other. It's called jet planes . I can get to Western Australia in a few hours from where I live on the East Coast.... or anywhere for that matter. Yes, there's a big whopping dessert in the middle. However, it's not as primitive here as some Americans think it is. We have just about everything you guys have in terms of technology. You obviously love travelling which is great, and you are lucky to be able to afford it. I will look you up when I come to NY Best, Leonie Re: rheumatic Rhonda Leonie - Where in NJ are you from? I lived the first 48 years of my life in NJ and recently moved to NH - the past 15 months have brought me many problems with arthritis, possible sjogrens, much pain, and a lot of questions left unanswered - leaving in the a.m. for a specialist in Boston - hoping to get some answers and hope there. Gail **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002\ 5 48) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 ....a bit of a jolt never hurt anyone Dolores, and we often need one to shift out of our stupor. if the jolt of someone telling you that you were living under a rock helped you, that's great. maybe that's the way you've got to tell people things go get them to listen... almost by insulting them ! no one listens to anything i tell them, so maybe i'm doing it the wrong way haha people don't listen or change easily. being nice and gentle doesn't always work - i understand the culture of tough love, although i haven't experienced a lot of it. it's a good way to be when everyone knows what the deal is with it. i know all you guys are 100% AP focussed and that's ok with me - i don't ask questions about it to make trouble - i want it to be the " be-all and end-all " believe me. i'm just a seeker of the truth. i grew up jehovah's witness, and we thought we were the " only true religion " and had the " truth " . we were the only ones going to survive armageddon. that was my 100% reality and belief from the moment i was born. after a lot of soul-searching i left the religion and accepted that i would die at armageddon too with all the evil people. well i found out somwewhere along the line that it wasn't the truth but just a bunch of fooey ! now i keep my mind open (try to) and don't get fanatical about anything, and question everything. i don't care if it's right or wrong or works for some other person. WHAT WORKS FOR ONE, DOESN'T WORK FOR ANOTHER... if there's any truth, that is it! i love and respect passionate people who believe in something strongly and walk their talk, but when their beliefs become dogmatic, that worries me. zealots worry me. passionate people are leaders and the people who are attracted to their message will follow them no matter what. their are millions of different leaders and paths, all leading to the same place. that's just my take on things, but i might be wrong take care dolores, Leonie > > From: leonie cent <leoniecentbigpond (DOT) com> > Subject: rheumatic Cooky > rheumatic@grou ps.com > Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 5:54 PM > > Yeah well Cooky, I'm going thru a very tough time right now, and asking questions to try and figure things out. If i wasn't interested in AP, i wouldn't bother to try and discuss things and get to the bottom of it. I have bad brain fog and can't read everything and take in information. I have an anxiety disorder which means i can't concentrate on anything or understand stuff and get my act together. I never noticed you or anyone offering to coach me a bit, even tho some on this list do give me a lot of help and information re AP and detoxing etc. And you shouting at me with your capitals letters and terse language just tells me you are a radical nut with no heart! You are mean. Goodbye! I'm going on methotrexate. > > ~Leonie > leoniecentbigpond (DOT) com > > 02 62556202 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Dolores, You are the main person, though there are a couple others that have kept me going many a day. Your detailed posts, and your success with remission have been so inspiring to me that I know I've told you this, but I cry most of the time when I read them, but they are good tears, as they give me the hope to follow in your footsteps, and attain remission myself, which I am still hoping to do in the not too distant future. We are all here for you, as you have been for us along this journey that we take every day. My thoughts are with you, and I, too, KNOW you are going to be back in the saddle again soon. Good thoughts, and prayers heading your way!!! Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 You all lift me up. New diet regimen is working. Had boiled chicken over brown rice with some peas & carrots and SF jello for dessert. Nothing fried. I think fried foods is my problem. Take care, Dolores From: Ken and <kglg@...> Subject: rheumatic Dolores " rheumatic " <rheumatic > Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 7:44 AM  Hope you feel better soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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