Re: Re: Ornish's alleged evidence

[Guest guest]

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I think it would be a good idea to post this in a review for one (or all) of

Ornish's books on amazon.com and maybe other sites.

Roman

justinbond wrote:

> several points to be made:

>

> 1. Heart attacks are not caused by plaque blocking arteries, but

> rather by plaque becomine inflammed, weak, and unstable. They then

> rupture releasing clotting agents that cause the heart attack.

> Thus, " regressing " heart disease could actually increase your risk of

> a heart attack, by making the plaque weaker and more rupture prone.

> Treatment should focus on stabilizing plaque, not regressing it.

>

> 2. Plaque is found in all humans regardless of cholesterol levels.

> They are not primarily buildups of cholesterol, but smooth muscle

> cells in response to turbulant blood flow. Wherever the blood flow

> becomes turbulant you get plaque. Wherever it isn't, you

> don't. " Regressing " plaque could increase the amount of turbulant

> blood flow, which is not desirable.

>

> 3. The only dietary treatment that has been shown clinically to

> reduce the rate of CHD (and then not statistically significant,

> although it will probably be with larger trials), is the addition of

> omega-3 fatty acids. This is something we get in our food (grass fed

> animal fat - yummm), and something that ornish dieters can only get

> as a supplement. Which diet do you think is healthier?

>

> Heiner C. Bucher; E. Griffith; Gordon H. Guyatt. Systematic

> Review on the Risk and Benefit of Different Cholesterol-Lowering

> Interventions. Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology.

> 1999;19:187-195

>

> 4. A meta-analysis of cholesterol lowering diets shows *no* reduction

> in the rate of coronary heart disease, even when you stock the study

> with 'ringers' - middle-aged men who have been screened for the

> highest 1% of cholesterol levels. If eating a low-fat diet can't help

> those guys, who can it help?

>

> Lee Hooper, Carolyn D Summerbell, n P T Higgins, L

> , Nigel E Capps, Davey , Rudolph A Riemersma,

> Shah Ebrahim. Dietary fat intake and prevention of cardiovascular

> disease: systematic review. BMJ 2001;322:757-763 ( 31 March )

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[Guest guest]

That's fine. Maybe I'll do that if that's OK with you.

Could you share the whole thing you wrote (with the references)? I often need

some facts to back up my pro-fat arguments.

Roman

justinbond wrote:

>

> > ,

> >

> > I think it would be a good idea to post this in a review for one

> (or all) of

> > Ornish's books on amazon.com and maybe other sites.

>

> I don't know if anyone would be interested, but this is just a small

> part of a literature review on the role (or lack thereof) of fat and

> cholesterol in coronary heart disease. I wrote it to hopefully

> impress a professor and get me into graduate school in biostatistics.

> Its 12 pages long single spaced and that's without the references

> which are several more pages. Here I'd be preaching to the choir, but

> if people have skeptics among friends or family, it might be useful?

>

> I'll have to think about doing the ornish review - the only problem

> is that I did a review of NT on amazon and got lots of helpful votes.

> I don't want my reviewer rating to go down!

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

>> I am, as well as my mother, who lives with me and I support, are both

McDougal /Ornish refugees. <SNIP> My ratio TG 63 / HDL 42 = 1.5. Below

2.5 is considered low risk.<<

Alec, you need to submit *your* story to Oprah!

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