Guest guest Posted March 17, 2002 Report Share Posted March 17, 2002 >>>I agree with you. This type of person does not deserve to be called a farmer. Perhaps extortionist would be more like it. You might consider talking to the humane society about such treatment. ****Robin, Thanks for stating you agree that humane milk is important. I don't understand your reference to extortion though..? I was wondering what others think about humane milk, as well as humane meat. List? Does anyone insist on a humane life for the animals whom you consume and whose milk you drink? Does anyone feel that humane husbandry is part of the WAP/NT paradigm? I realize there must be different levels of humane husbandry in existence...does anyone have a minimum threshold of what you will tolerate in the husbandry practices of the animals you consume and whose milk you drink? Not preaching...just curious... Suze Fisher Web Design & Development http://www.suscom-maine.net/~cfisher/ mailto:cfisher@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 Hi Suze, I don't know that humane animal husbandry is part of WAP per se. However it just makes good sense that if indigenous folk are depending on these animals for their very survival you can be reasonably certain that they were well cared for. This is the stupidest aspect of poor animal husbandry in that you wind up damaging your very own food supply. It's nuts. So even if a farmer is not sensitive to the plight of the animal, he/she should at leat be aware of the fact the worse the animal is treated and fed the worse his/her own family eats. It seems pretty straight forward you'd think. DMM > >>>I agree with you. This type of person does not deserve > to be called a farmer. Perhaps extortionist would be > more like it. You might consider talking to the humane > society about such treatment. > > ****Robin, > > Thanks for stating you agree that humane milk is important. I don't > understand your reference to extortion though..? > > I was wondering what others think about humane milk, as well as humane meat. > List? Does anyone insist on a humane life for the animals whom you consume > and whose milk you drink? > Does anyone feel that humane husbandry is part of the WAP/NT paradigm? I > realize there must be different levels of humane husbandry in > existence...does anyone have a minimum threshold of what you will tolerate > in the husbandry practices of the animals you consume and whose milk you > drink? > > Not preaching...just curious... > > > > Suze Fisher > Web Design & Development > http://www.suscom-maine.net/~cfisher/ > mailto:cfisher@b... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 Suze Fisher asked: > >I was wondering what others think about humane milk, as well as humane meat. >List? Does anyone insist on a humane life for the animals whom you consume >and whose milk you drink? >Does anyone feel that humane husbandry is part of the WAP/NT paradigm? It's kind of irrelevant in a sense, because the feeding practices we like to see create more humane conditions for the animals. (free-range vs. caged, grass-fed vs. stall-fed.) >I >realize there must be different levels of humane husbandry in >existence...does anyone have a minimum threshold of what you will tolerate >in the husbandry practices of the animals you consume and whose milk you >drink? Even before I got into this, I wouldn't buy commercial veal; inflicting anemia on an animal is just too much for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 I don't have Nourishing Traditions in front of me, but I do remember reading stuff that whether it explicitly says it or not, would indicate that humane methods are called for. For example, overcrowding is cited in NT as a major source of stress, sickness, and antibiotics abuse. Thus, animals shouldn't be crowded. Also, animals should be pasture fed from spring through fall, and fed hay, sileage, and root vegetables in the winter. Thus, they'd be out in a " natural " environment 3/4 of the year, and an uncrowded barn sheltered from the coldest weather. As for milk, NT promotes pasture-fed milk from old-fashioned breeds who give high-cream milk, not Holstein freaks bred to massively over-produce and thus having constant mastitis and infected udders. So that seems more humane, too. Jill Nienhiser -----Original Message----- From: drmichaelmarasco [mailto:mmarasco@...] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: Re: humane milk Hi Suze, I don't know that humane animal husbandry is part of WAP per se. However it just makes good sense that if indigenous folk are depending on these animals for their very survival you can be reasonably certain that they were well cared for. This is the stupidest aspect of poor animal husbandry in that you wind up damaging your very own food supply. It's nuts. So even if a farmer is not sensitive to the plight of the animal, he/she should at leat be aware of the fact the worse the animal is treated and fed the worse his/her own family eats. It seems pretty straight forward you'd think. DMM > >>>I agree with you. This type of person does not deserve > to be called a farmer. Perhaps extortionist would be > more like it. You might consider talking to the humane > society about such treatment. > > ****Robin, > > Thanks for stating you agree that humane milk is important. I don't > understand your reference to extortion though..? > > I was wondering what others think about humane milk, as well as humane meat. > List? Does anyone insist on a humane life for the animals whom you consume > and whose milk you drink? > Does anyone feel that humane husbandry is part of the WAP/NT paradigm? I > realize there must be different levels of humane husbandry in > existence...does anyone have a minimum threshold of what you will tolerate > in the husbandry practices of the animals you consume and whose milk you > drink? > > Not preaching...just curious... > > > > Suze Fisher > Web Design & Development > http://www.suscom-maine.net/~cfisher/ > mailto:cfisher@b... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2002 Report Share Posted March 19, 2002 Hi Doc You are absolutely right. You don't want to bite the hand that feeds you. drmichaelmarasco wrote: > Hi Suze, > > I don't know that humane animal husbandry is part of WAP per se. > However it just makes good sense that if indigenous folk are > depending on these animals for their very survival you can be > reasonably certain that they were well cared for. This is the > stupidest aspect of poor animal husbandry in that you wind up > damaging your very own food supply. It's nuts. So even if a farmer > is not sensitive to the plight of the animal, he/she should at leat > be aware of the fact the worse the animal is treated and fed the > worse his/her own family eats. It seems pretty straight forward > you'd think. > > DMM > > > > >>>I agree with you. This type of person does not deserve > > to be called a farmer. Perhaps extortionist would be > > more like it. You might consider talking to the humane > > society about such treatment. > > > > ****Robin, > > > > Thanks for stating you agree that humane milk is important. I don't > > understand your reference to extortion though..? > > > > I was wondering what others think about humane milk, as well as > humane meat. > > List? Does anyone insist on a humane life for the animals whom you > consume > > and whose milk you drink? > > Does anyone feel that humane husbandry is part of the WAP/NT > paradigm? I > > realize there must be different levels of humane husbandry in > > existence...does anyone have a minimum threshold of what you will > tolerate > > in the husbandry practices of the animals you consume and whose > milk you > > drink? > > > > Not preaching...just curious... > > > > > > > > Suze Fisher > > Web Design & Development > > http://www.suscom-maine.net/~cfisher/ > > mailto:cfisher@b... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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