Guest guest Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Rhonda, M couldn't have said it any better! Depression is just as much a medical condition as a broken leg and NO ONE would expect you to pull yourself out of that alone! Research done during the past 5-10 years shows that the most successful treatment for chronic depression (depression lasting more than 2 months I think) is the combination of counselling and anti- depressant medication. Naturally, that doesn't take into account the determination and motivation of the sufferer. Sounds like you've got what it takes to get the black dog off your back! Depression is the nastiest black hole in the universe. As wrote, the meds just give you the chance to get your balance in order to heal. All the best - you'll make it! Jaci, Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 I suffered horribly from depression for years. When doing research regarding my daughter's condition and finding out about EFAs, I tried them out myself. I took a gram of EPA a day and decreased my dairy >( Omega 6) intake drastically and within 5 days, depression lifted and I have never looked back. in Germany Re: Rhonda Rhonda, M couldn't have said it any better! Depression is just as much a medical condition as a broken leg and NO ONE would expect you to pull yourself out of that alone! Research done during the past 5-10 years shows that the most successful treatment for chronic depression (depression lasting more than 2 months I think) is the combination of counselling and anti- depressant medication. Naturally, that doesn't take into account the determination and motivation of the sufferer. Sounds like you've got what it takes to get the black dog off your back! Depression is the nastiest black hole in the universe. As wrote, the meds just give you the chance to get your balance in order to heal. All the best - you'll make it! Jaci, Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 I love this list. Thanks so much for all your support. I wish my husband offered me a quarter of the support I get here. Right now he's using the shrink thing against me. You know, " how the hell would you know, your the crazy one seeing a shrink and taking pills " , that sort of crap. Urgh. I'm not liking him at all right now. He just doesn't get it. His depth runs about a half an inch. In fact, and sorry to get so personal, right now I just need to vent, but I'm thinking that tonight I may suggest a temporary separation. I can't fix myself and him too and he's just making things harder for me. Now I shall go cry and let myself have a 10 minute pity party. Thanks again for all your wonderful support, I truly appreciate it more than you'll ever know. Rhonda Olivia's mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Been there, felt that. I'm sorry you're in such pain right now. As if you don't have enough on your mind. My husband was called to active duty right after the Sept. 11 attacks. He was gone for a year. I was so upset, after fighting everyone for a year, we had just that day ( Sept. 11) gotten a firm diagnosis of Autism, moderate to severe. Turns out, his being gone for a year was the best thing that could have happened. Of course that is hindsight. Shortly after being diagnosed Autistic, ph was diagnosed Celiac's disease and IgA deficient ( completely). It was a rough year, but I've posted before about how wonderful it was to be able to devote my whole day to ph, and the evenings were free for research. No one to contradict my decisions, no one to roll their eyes at me, no one to bring inappropriate food home and leave it out for ph to eat. No husband to make me feel guilty the laundry is piling up, dinner is plain, I'm " coddling " ph, etc. I wouldn't have ever thought about separating prior to Sept. 11, but I can say there are some benefits. It's just toxic to be around so much negativity, we need help, not to be pulled down. Parenting these children can be the loneliest experience. I've just scheduled an appt. with a therapist because I need someone to listen to me vent once a week, and darn it, if I have to pay to have that done, then that's what will happen. It just makes my husband and family so sad, and it's so confusing to them when I try to discuss what I'm thinking or what information I've just come across. The reality of separating is that you don't often get to keep the rest of your world intact. I was fortunate in that our separation meant only the removal of my husband from the household. Financially, and physically everything else remained the same. So I will say prayers for you that you come to a decision that will best benefit you and your child. Keep in mind that classifying you as " crazy " makes it easier for your husband to tolerate all the things you " might " be saying about him in therapy. It's very telling that instead of supporting your decision to get healthier emotionally, he is instead blaming you for being upset in the first place. Does it make it easier for him to dominate a conversation by throwing that in your face? Is it easier to yell at you than acknowledge how much fear, pain and doubt he is feeling? Re: Re: Rhonda I love this list. Thanks so much for all your support. I wish my husband offered me a quarter of the support I get here. Right now he's using the shrink thing against me. You know, " how the hell would you know, your the crazy one seeing a shrink and taking pills " , that sort of crap. Urgh. I'm not liking him at all right now. He just doesn't get it. His depth runs about a half an inch. In fact, and sorry to get so personal, right now I just need to vent, but I'm thinking that tonight I may suggest a temporary separation. I can't fix myself and him too and he's just making things harder for me. Now I shall go cry and let myself have a 10 minute pity party. Thanks again for all your wonderful support, I truly appreciate it more than you'll ever know. Rhonda Olivia's mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 I think these lists on the internet are such life-savers - help us get thru sickness and relationships, too ! Re: Re: Rhonda I love this list. Thanks so much for all your support. I wish my husband offered me a quarter of the support I get here. Right now he's using the shrink thing against me. You know, " how the hell would you know, your the crazy one seeing a shrink and taking pills " , that sort of crap. Urgh. I'm not liking him at all right now. He just doesn't get it. His depth runs about a half an inch. In fact, and sorry to get so personal, right now I just need to vent, but I'm thinking that tonight I may suggest a temporary separation. I can't fix myself and him too and he's just making things harder for me. Now I shall go cry and let myself have a 10 minute pity party. Thanks again for all your wonderful support, I truly appreciate it more than you'll ever know. Rhonda Olivia's mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Thank you for doing the survey. I needed to hear that it took years of abx for you to improve and that you are able to work now. I have been on abx for almost 2 years and was beginning to wonder about continuing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 -- I think what did me the most good was the IV ABX. I know that no one wants to say that it takes YEARS of IV ABX to kick this bug if you have had it for awhile because the insurance industry just won't go for it....but I really didn't see marked improvement until I was on them for almost a year! Then my brain started...very slowly...to start to clear so that I could think again! I couldn't even read because I couldn't finish a sentence....And I am a High School Computer Science Teacher!!! Imagine trying to teach programming when I couldn't even think. I couldn't even remember my student's names...I carried around my seating chart and explained to my students what I had and what was going on and they were great...but I knew that I needed to take some medical time off because I really couldn't function. I think between the IV ABX and having therapeutic massage twice a month, it enabled my body to help get rid of some of the toxins. I know I will probably never be " over " this...but I can function now and I know my limits and I do not cross them....I know where I will end up if I do!! I had a severe case of neuro lyme. It also affected my joints and so many other parts that I cannot list them all. I really thought since they kept telling me it was all in my head, that I had early onset alzheimers and I would be in a home within a year. Don't give up. Keep listening to your doctor as long as he/she keeps listening to you. ~Rhonna kam004@... wrote: >Thank you for doing the survey. I needed to hear that it took years of abx >for you to improve and that you are able to work now. > >I have been on abx for almost 2 years and was beginning to wonder about >continuing it. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Good luck with your treatment Rhonda [ ] Re: Rhonda > > > hi Rhonda Congrats on your last shot I just gave myself my 5th shot > I have 23 weeks to go > Annita > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 hi Rhonda Congrats on your last shot I just gave myself my 5th shot I have 23 weeks to go Annita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 My dad died over the weekend and I'm way behind in my email. Rhonda Dear Rhonda, My condolences on your loss. It is a hard time to go through. Blessings on thee. Hugs, Marge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 My dad died over the weekend and I'm way behind in my email. Rhonda Dear Rhonda, My condolences on your loss. It is a hard time to go through. Blessings on thee. Hugs, Marge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 and condolences to you Marge. Take it easy on yourself. Hugs Aussie Margaret Re: RHONDA My dad died over the weekend and I'm way behind in my email. Rhonda Dear Rhonda, My condolences on your loss. It is a hard time to go through. Blessings on thee. Hugs, Marge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Not my dad, Margaret, it was Rhonda's. and condolences to you Marge.Take it easy on yourself.HugsAussie Margaret My dad died over the weekend and I'm way behind inmy email. Rhonda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 my sincerest wishes of sympathy...on your loss... sue vogelmarge <palybami@...> wrote: My dad died over the weekend and I'm way behind in my email. Rhonda Dear Rhonda, My condolences on your loss. It is a hard time to go through. Blessings on thee. Hugs, Marge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Mike, What disease do you have? Hi lynne > > > > > > > > > > As you know my Dr. prscribed Medrol 2 mg 4 days a week > > > > > to lower my inflammation. my ESR is high 120. > > > > > I thought it is not a bad idea because i read high > > > > > inflammtion doesn't allow minocin to penetrate cells. > > > > > anyway last nightI took my first medrol and I got up > > > > > with less pain and less stiffness. My hands are no > > > > > puffy right now. wow I didn't know a low dose of > > > > > steroid can make a big difference. I don't like to > > > > > take steroid because of side effects. my Dr. also > > > > > doesn't like it. I am going to take it only 3 days a > > > > > week. I hope it helps me to put on some weight. > > > > > what do you think? > > > > > By the way you do lots of work. I couldn't do such > > > > > amonth of work even when I was healthy. like you I > > > > > always followed a healthy diet, did excersize. no > > > > > smoking and drinking but I was not a happy person. > > > > > I didn't realize the most important thing is my > > > > > health. > > > > > > > > > > enjoy the weekend > > > > > > > > > > soheila > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > > Find them fast with Search. > > > > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php? > > > > category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > > > Search. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Friendships do require effort and right now in my life, with being sick, all my effort goes to getting through each day and trying to get better. There is not much energy left for much else. My dogs have become great physical therapists as they push me to move and I have met very nice people walking them. Also this year as sort of a resolution I am forcing myself, as I am now comfortable in my recluse existance, to try to call someone for lunch once a week or so. Only on days when I feel I have the energy because you are right Leonie it takes a lot out of you and I come home and collapse, not sure if it is worth it or not. Hugs, Sue rheumatic Re: Depression in Chronic Illnesses! The lesson I've learned the hard way is when people don't listen, don't believe, don't support me with this illness, our relationship is jeopardized. Scleroderma is not just testing me, it's testing my family & friends, and only a handful are passing the test. I recently was telling a long-term friend how expensive Minocin and my supplements are. He replied that I should take the generic, there's no difference. He quickly refuted me with 'science' when I tried to explain, ending it with a shameful " Well, it's your choice " . Later in the conversation I was telling him how I've felt so lost since I became sick. He said I should just 'laugh it off', and that I'm starting to sound like his grandmother. I felt totally unheard, and said I had to get off the phone to work on finding cheaper ways to get meds. He replied that if he were me, he would just give up & die because that's his life philosophy, to let nature take its course. I never would have guessed how insensitive people can be until my dx. A true friend with good communication skills would have asked me more questions, let me talk it out and let me know that he really hears me. Would have offered on-point support, helped me brainstorm solutions, just been on my side. If he was uncomfortable with my 'negative' feelings, they would have passed naturally had he taken a helpful role, instead of throwing out his surface level advice. Since my dx I've lost so many relationships over insensitivities. Our entire culture seems to be needing lessons in empathy and communication & especially listening skills. Since everyone in these forums is in the same boat, that's the one thing I feel we can count on one another for, shared understanding. These forums keep me functioning emotionally. These forums are an essential component to my physical and emotional health. I don't post often, but I read every post, and every post makes me more knowledgable, and stronger. I feel somehow bonded with you all in this magical electronic world. What the heck did people like us do before this electronic medium? Hi lynne > > > > > > > > As you know my Dr. prscribed Medrol 2 mg 4 days a week > > > > to lower my inflammation. my ESR is high 120. > > > > I thought it is not a bad idea because i read high > > > > inflammtion doesn't allow minocin to penetrate cells. > > > > anyway last nightI took my first medrol and I got up > > > > with less pain and less stiffness. My hands are no > > > > puffy right now. wow I didn't know a low dose of > > > > steroid can make a big difference. I don't like to > > > > take steroid because of side effects. my Dr. also > > > > doesn't like it. I am going to take it only 3 days a > > > > week. I hope it helps me to put on some weight. > > > > what do you think? > > > > By the way you do lots of work. I couldn't do such > > > > amonth of work even when I was healthy. like you I > > > > always followed a healthy diet, did excersize. no > > > > smoking and drinking but I was not a happy person. > > > > I didn't realize the most important thing is my > > > > health. > > > > > > > > enjoy the weekend > > > > > > > > soheila > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > Find them fast with Search. > > > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php? > > > category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > > Search. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Hi Sue, I'm a recluse too. I belong to the world of the sick. Not the size 6 work-out moms driving a Lexus like carpool line. Hi lynne > > > > > > > > > > As you know my Dr. prscribed Medrol 2 mg 4 days a week > > > > > to lower my inflammation. my ESR is high 120. > > > > > I thought it is not a bad idea because i read high > > > > > inflammtion doesn't allow minocin to penetrate cells. > > > > > anyway last nightI took my first medrol and I got up > > > > > with less pain and less stiffness. My hands are no > > > > > puffy right now. wow I didn't know a low dose of > > > > > steroid can make a big difference. I don't like to > > > > > take steroid because of side effects. my Dr. also > > > > > doesn't like it. I am going to take it only 3 days a > > > > > week. I hope it helps me to put on some weight. > > > > > what do you think? > > > > > By the way you do lots of work. I couldn't do such > > > > > amonth of work even when I was healthy. like you I > > > > > always followed a healthy diet, did excersize. no > > > > > smoking and drinking but I was not a happy person. > > > > > I didn't realize the most important thing is my > > > > > health. > > > > > > > > > > enjoy the weekend > > > > > > > > > > soheila > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > > Find them fast with Search. > > > > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php? > > > > category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > > > Search. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Hi Sue, I'm a recluse too. I belong to the world of the sick. Not the size 6 work-out moms driving a Lexus like carpool line. Hi lynne > > > > > > > > > > As you know my Dr. prscribed Medrol 2 mg 4 days a week > > > > > to lower my inflammation. my ESR is high 120. > > > > > I thought it is not a bad idea because i read high > > > > > inflammtion doesn't allow minocin to penetrate cells. > > > > > anyway last nightI took my first medrol and I got up > > > > > with less pain and less stiffness. My hands are no > > > > > puffy right now. wow I didn't know a low dose of > > > > > steroid can make a big difference. I don't like to > > > > > take steroid because of side effects. my Dr. also > > > > > doesn't like it. I am going to take it only 3 days a > > > > > week. I hope it helps me to put on some weight. > > > > > what do you think? > > > > > By the way you do lots of work. I couldn't do such > > > > > amonth of work even when I was healthy. like you I > > > > > always followed a healthy diet, did excersize. no > > > > > smoking and drinking but I was not a happy person. > > > > > I didn't realize the most important thing is my > > > > > health. > > > > > > > > > > enjoy the weekend > > > > > > > > > > soheila > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > > Find them fast with Search. > > > > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php? > > > > category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > > > Search. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Hi , I agree. I had my worst ear implanted first. It had been essentially unstimulated for over 30 years. I was unable to wear a hearing aid in that ear due to profound hearing loss, severe distortion, recruitment and hyperacusis. The CI in that ear has worked exceptionally well. I believe her audiologist can test the 8th nerve fuction with an ABR, Auditory Brainstem Response, to test the health of her 8th nerve. Jim > > Hi Rhonda, > There used to be a test called the Promontory stimulation test that > was administered to see if a hearing nerve was still functional. I was > implanted in an ear that had no hearing and no stimulation for 20 years, > and the implant works just fine in that ear. So do ask if the CI > evaluation can include something like the prom stim to verify that the > nerve is, in fact, dead. Because it might well be possible to have an > implant in that ear despite its not being used for 30 years. Never hurts > to ask. If you can be implanted in that ear, you'd have bilateral > hearing, using a hearing aid in the other ear. > > > > They are unable to implant my right ear because the nerve has been dead > for so long, so when I get the implant, I will have the 30 days of pure > silence. I have has many years to prepare for this and thought I was, but > it is very scary. > ____________________________________________________________ > Criminal Lawyers - Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOVoMdutSklEwkyHJc24yI89BUEJbu\ azv7XOLWPpenzICet0zaNjy/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Same here -- implanted my worse ear which had not been stimulated for about 30 years. The CI worked beautifully and obviously the implanted side is now my " good " side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 I guess in a Fascist society it is not acceptable to criticize the U.S. Frightening! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Single payer is actually less restrictive or bureaucratic for docs and consumers because there is simply more money spent on care rather than administration. On Jul 26, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Rhonda Goebel wrote: > - > > I didn't state my opinion for or against the bill, just advocated > compassion. I am actually against the bill - it's a corporate > profitizing mechanism created through corporate puppet politicians. > Health care is about health, not expanding market potential. > > I'm for what other progressive countries have, single-payer, which > this bill definately isn't. I'm for waiting either for a shift > toward compassion, or a breakdown & replacement of our militaristic > oligarchy with a system of, by & for the people. Though I haven't > read the bill, I'm no longer living in Orwell's 1984, in the matrix. > > Peace, > Rhonda > > From: Ana Andrescu <anaandrescu@...> > Subject: Re: rheumatic Rhonda > rheumatic > Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 12:02 PM > > > > Dear Moderator, > please allow only people that have read the bill to discuss about > it, otherwise this discussions becomes a source of misinformation. > thank you, > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: O' Conchubair <RNMSWbellsouth (DOT) net> > Rheumatic <Rheumatic@grou ps.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:29:49 PM > Subject: rheumatic Rhonda > > > I guess in a Fascist society it is not acceptable to criticize the > U.S. Frightening! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Rhonda, my letter was not about agreeing or disagreeing with you, in reality I agree with you. my letter was about the general negative tone of the discussion if it is a debate, let's debate the contents of the bill not just hearsay.   ________________________________ From: Beckman <beckman5@...> rheumatic Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:19:04 PM Subject: Re: rheumatic Rhonda  Single payer is actually less restrictive or bureaucratic for docs and consumers because there is simply more money spent on care rather than administration. On Jul 26, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Rhonda Goebel wrote: > - > > I didn't state my opinion for or against the bill, just advocated > compassion. I am actually against the bill - it's a corporate > profitizing mechanism created through corporate puppet politicians. > Health care is about health, not expanding market potential. > > I'm for what other progressive countries have, single-payer, which > this bill definately isn't. I'm for waiting either for a shift > toward compassion, or a breakdown & replacement of our militaristic > oligarchy with a system of, by & for the people. Though I haven't > read the bill, I'm no longer living in Orwell's 1984, in the matrix. > > Peace, > Rhonda > > From: Ana Andrescu <anaandrescu> > Subject: Re: rheumatic Rhonda > rheumatic@grou ps.com > Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 12:02 PM > > > > Dear Moderator, > please allow only people that have read the bill to discuss about > it, otherwise this discussions becomes a source of misinformation. > thank you, > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: O' Conchubair <RNMSWbellsouth (DOT) net> > Rheumatic <Rheumatic@gro u ps.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:29:49 PM > Subject: rheumatic Rhonda > > > I guess in a Fascist society it is not acceptable to criticize the > U.S. Frightening! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Most of us here understand first hand the insanity & injustice of an inhumane health care system. If the will of the people were realized, seems like it shouldn't be too difficult to provide quality health care for all, with choice of doctors, decisions made between patients & doctors, and with no corporations carving out profits.   In the blink of an eye we bail out banks & invade countries. Surely like all 'developed' countries we can realize health care as a basic human right. For example, each one of us should be able to afford an AP doc & Minocin if we choose, regardless of whether or not we are a millionaire, or are able to work full time for an employer who offers quality, affordable health insurance.  So many of us have struggled, and though some struggling may subside if this health care plan passes, in general it seems the struggling for health care justice for all will continue for now.  Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere. MLK > > > >> - > >> > >> I didn't state my opinion for or against the bill, just advocated > >> compassion. I am actually against the bill - it's a corporate > >> profitizing mechanism created through corporate puppet politicians. > >> Health care is about health, not expanding market potential. > >> > >> I'm for what other progressive countries have, single-payer, which > >> this bill definately isn't. I'm for waiting either for a shift > >> toward compassion, or a breakdown & replacement of our militaristic > >> oligarchy with a system of, by & for the people. Though I haven't > >> read the bill, I'm no longer living in Orwell's 1984, in the > matrix. > >> > >> Peace, > >> Rhonda > >> > >> From: Ana Andrescu <anaandrescu> > >> Subject: Re: rheumatic Rhonda > >> rheumatic@grou ps.com > >> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 12:02 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> Dear Moderator, > >> please allow only people that have read the bill to discuss about > >> it, otherwise this discussions becomes a source of misinformation. > >> thank you, > >> > >> > >> ____________ _________ _________ __ > >> From: O' Conchubair <RNMSWbellsouth (DOT) net> > >> Rheumatic <Rheumatic@gro u ps.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:29:49 PM > >> Subject: rheumatic Rhonda > >> > >> > >> I guess in a Fascist society it is not acceptable to criticize the > >> U.S. Frightening! > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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