Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Hi, if you have the markers for HLA-B27 then you may have Ankylosing Spondylitis. They are the definite markers for it. Better check with the Rheumatologist to verify it. I would think twice about taking the medications they will give you. I have been on the antibiotics for about eleven months and doing better than a year ago. If you start right away on antibiotics you may not need to take them as long as people that have had other meds from the rheumatologist. If you have a chance read the book " The Road Back' it will give you a lot of Info. Regards, Eva From: dominicw78 <dominicw78@...> Subject: rheumatic New to this site, my story and some questions! rheumatic Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 9:06 PM Hi, I`ll give you my background. I went to Thailand in March and got mild gastro, didn`t think anything of it. In the last week I was there a thin red line appeared in my right eye, but no pain. Got back and the red line was still there but no pain, after a week or two it began to hurt a little so I went to the doctor, who gave me some antibiotic drops. That night the fun began, I put them in and my eye flare up very red and was insanely painful. The next day I went to eye emergency room to get checked out, noticed I was really stiff in the legs but was worrying about my eye too much. They gave me various drops, pred forte etc and I kept going back for the next week. I told them I was a bit stiff and they said `Òh yeah, by the way you've probably arthritis better see a rheumatologist about it` I was thinking `What the...?` For the next month I did loads of tests often offering the idea that `perhaps this has something to do with Thailand` all the doctors said it had nothing to do with it. Then after seeing a few different specialists they finally worked out it was Reiters disease and that I had the genetic HLA B27 marker. The eye slowly got better and I went on anti-inflammatories (Meloxican), was told that I should be better by six months. Six months passes eye is no longer flared up, but joints are still very much inflammed, so I begin (about 10 weeks ago) sulfasalazine. As yet there has been no real change, I went to see another specialist they tell me that I will have this arthritis for life and that I should also now have methotrexate also. I`ve done some research don`t like the sound of it. I stumbled accross the low dose antibiotic method which lead me here. The idea of treating the cause rather than the symptoms seems to make much more sense to me. However the low dose antibiotic method seems just as problematic as other options. Doesn`t the body build up an ammunity to antibiotics meaning that will eventually not work also leaving me more susceptable to other infections? Is it something that you usually take forever? Does anyone have a similar story to my and can vouch for results? How long does it usually take for results? What have the results been like for you? Sorry for the long winded post! Any info much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Hello Dominic and welcome to the site. I was diagnosed in 2005 with Scleroderma, R/A. and possibly Mixed Connective Tissue Disease. (MCTD). I also was offered various steroids, antiinflammatories and chemo. Like you, I didn't like the sound of it all plus I had a cousin who passed from what they say he had was Lupus. But, I think he died from all those steroids and toxic meds they gave him. So, I read " The Road Back " , and two other books written by Henry Scammell and Dr. Macpherson Brown. I was convinced that since there was an infectious origin, that Antibiotics was the way to go. At the time, I was completely bedridden, in constant pain, pebbles coming out of my hard shiny skin. I also had Raynaud's, TMJ, continuous nausea & vomiting. I was anemic and my heart and lungs were damaged. I had gone thru several heart surgeries and all they could say was that I was terminal but they could keep me comfortable. I got really angry. I didn't want to be kept comfortable while I waited to die. So, I flew to Boston and started on the antibiotic protocol immediately. Within 3 months, the Raynauds was gone, the inflammation had abated, TMJ was gone and I was up on my feet. I went back to work. Within 18 months I was in remission. I read more and realized that it was not just one organism that was making me ill, there were several different species. So, I went on the Marshall Protocol which combines other antibiotics and they are pulsed, Meaning that you take them on different days, and different dosages and they start out on low dosage and ramp up to full dosages. It is all antibiotic protocol. It takes a couple of years, but my whole life has changed. You will hear about herxes. That means that as the microbes die off, they emit a toxin that can make you feel worse while you are getting better. Some of these herxes can be very serious and need to be dealt with, Having a doc who understand the concept is very important especially when you are told you have no options and you discover antibiotics are making you better. You tend to become okay putting up with some setbacks knowing that you will kick the disease and be well again. Not everyone does the protocols the same way. Antibiotic Protocols can be adjusted according to your specific disease. In the end, it is the antibiotics that will kill off or weaken the bacteria so that your immune system will be able to kill them off. Steroids on the other hand shut down the immune system and leave you helpless against viruses and bacteria. They also weaken the bones and in the end you die. Antibiotics have given me strength, hope, a life and a future. I definitely recommend them. I have been on them for three years and have not had any problems with antibiotic resistant diseases. In fact, my immune system is so much stronger now that I can fight anything that comes down the pike. My best to you, Dolores From: dominicw78 <dominicw78 (DOT) com.au> Subject: rheumatic New to this site, my story and some questions! rheumatic@grou ps.com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 9:06 PM Hi, I`ll give you my background. I went to Thailand in March and got mild gastro, didn`t think anything of it. In the last week I was there a thin red line appeared in my right eye, but no pain. Got back and the red line was still there but no pain, after a week or two it began to hurt a little so I went to the doctor, who gave me some antibiotic drops. That night the fun began, I put them in and my eye flare up very red and was insanely painful. The next day I went to eye emergency room to get checked out, noticed I was really stiff in the legs but was worrying about my eye too much. They gave me various drops, pred forte etc and I kept going back for the next week. I told them I was a bit stiff and they said `Òh yeah, by the way you've probably arthritis better see a rheumatologist about it` I was thinking `What the...?` For the next month I did loads of tests often offering the idea that `perhaps this has something to do with Thailand` all the doctors said it had nothing to do with it. Then after seeing a few different specialists they finally worked out it was Reiters disease and that I had the genetic HLA B27 marker. The eye slowly got better and I went on anti-inflammatories (Meloxican), was told that I should be better by six months. Six months passes eye is no longer flared up, but joints are still very much inflammed, so I begin (about 10 weeks ago) sulfasalazine. As yet there has been no real change, I went to see another specialist they tell me that I will have this arthritis for life and that I should also now have methotrexate also. I`ve done some research don`t like the sound of it. I stumbled accross the low dose antibiotic method which lead me here. The idea of treating the cause rather than the symptoms seems to make much more sense to me. However the low dose antibiotic method seems just as problematic as other options. Doesn`t the body build up an ammunity to antibiotics meaning that will eventually not work also leaving me more susceptable to other infections? Is it something that you usually take forever? Does anyone have a similar story to my and can vouch for results? How long does it usually take for results? What have the results been like for you? Sorry for the long winded post! Any info much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Hi Dominic, I started on minocycline for early RA last June, without taking the methotrexate which was recommended by the rheumatologist. My inflammation blood markers have now been falling for the last 2 months, and I am starting to feel MUCH better. No side effects except a bit of dizzyness, and the herxing which shows the protocol is working. And I'm shaking off all the colds etc which are going round at this time of the year ! You will find plenty of people with similar stories to mine, with all sorts of rheumatic diseases, on the www.roadback.com website bulletin board. The average length of time to see an improvement is 8 months. The book you need to read is called The New Arthritis Breakthrough by Henry Scammell (which incorporates The Road Back), which is available from Amazon. You can find lists of AP physicians on this site and on the roadback site. Good luck ! Kate > > From: dominicw78 <dominicw78 (DOT) com.au> > Subject: rheumatic New to this site, my story and some questions! > rheumatic@grou ps.com > Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 9:06 PM > > Hi, > > I`ll give you my background. I went to Thailand in March and got > mild gastro, didn`t think anything of it. In the last week I was > there a thin red line appeared in my right eye, but no pain. > > Got back and the red line was still there but no pain, after a week > or two it began to hurt a little so I went to the doctor, who gave me > some antibiotic drops. That night the fun began, I put them in and > my eye flare up very red and was insanely painful. > > The next day I went to eye emergency room to get checked out, noticed > I was really stiff in the legs but was worrying about my eye too > much. They gave me various drops, pred forte etc and I kept going > back for the next week. I told them I was a bit stiff and they said > `Òh yeah, by the way you've probably arthritis better see a > rheumatologist about it` I was thinking `What the...?` > > For the next month I did loads of tests often offering the idea that > `perhaps this has something to do with Thailand` all the doctors said > it had nothing to do with it. > > Then after seeing a few different specialists they finally worked out > it was Reiters disease and that I had the genetic HLA B27 marker. > > The eye slowly got better and I went on anti-inflammatories > (Meloxican), was told that I should be better by six months. Six > months passes eye is no longer flared up, but joints are still very > much inflammed, so I begin (about 10 weeks ago) sulfasalazine. > > As yet there has been no real change, I went to see another > specialist they tell me that I will have this arthritis for life and > that I should also now have methotrexate also. I`ve done some > research don`t like the sound of it. I stumbled accross the low dose > antibiotic method which lead me here. > > The idea of treating the cause rather than the symptoms seems to make > much more sense to me. However the low dose antibiotic method seems > just as problematic as other options. > > Doesn`t the body build up an ammunity to antibiotics meaning that > will eventually not work also leaving me more susceptable to other > infections? > > Is it something that you usually take forever? > > Does anyone have a similar story to my and can vouch for results? > > How long does it usually take for results? > > What have the results been like for you? > > Sorry for the long winded post! > > Any info much appreciated > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I had ReA (Reactive Arthritis) / Reiters Syndrome starting in 98. ReA is NOT similar to RA (rheumatoid arthritis) it is much much more aggressive, and I don not believe low dose abx will cure ReA. I cured ReA with HIGH dose antibiotics in about 2001. I have since not had any problems with arthritis but with damage done to the colon (stricture) by bacteria the which was untreated. So I cured ReA with Cipro 1.5G per day in 6 week cycles (the 6 week cycle is very important, a former 3 week course of cipro helped but did not work). Biaxin 3 month cycles in low doses of 500mg / 250mg per day. All in all I took abx for about 2 years but I suspect if i went in hard and fast to start it would have been a quick job. Following Cipro I got a campylobactor infection which caused the colon problems and took a further 6 months to find and cure (again cipro). To cure the constipation following all the abx etc. I took Lamisil 250mg per day for min of 3 months (I actually took for a year but again I suspect a shorter course would work) along with fungizone (Oral Amp B, also called fungilin). These antifungals cured the constipation. Then probiotics in large doses to get the colon working right again and a course of anti parasites (I used herbs from humaworm.com). Good luck, you are going to need it! On 18 Dec 2008, at 04:06, dominicw78 wrote: > Hi, > > I`ll give you my background. I went to Thailand in March and got > mild gastro, didn`t think anything of it. In the last week I was > there a thin red line appeared in my right eye, but no pain. > > Got back and the red line was still there but no pain, after a week > or two it began to hurt a little so I went to the doctor, who gave me > some antibiotic drops. That night the fun began, I put them in and > my eye flare up very red and was insanely painful. > > The next day I went to eye emergency room to get checked out, noticed > I was really stiff in the legs but was worrying about my eye too > much. They gave me various drops, pred forte etc and I kept going > back for the next week. I told them I was a bit stiff and they said > `Òh yeah, by the way you've probably arthritis better see a > rheumatologist about it` I was thinking `What the...?` > > For the next month I did loads of tests often offering the idea that > `perhaps this has something to do with Thailand` all the doctors said > it had nothing to do with it. > > Then after seeing a few different specialists they finally worked out > it was Reiters disease and that I had the genetic HLA B27 marker. > > The eye slowly got better and I went on anti-inflammatories > (Meloxican), was told that I should be better by six months. Six > months passes eye is no longer flared up, but joints are still very > much inflammed, so I begin (about 10 weeks ago) sulfasalazine. > > As yet there has been no real change, I went to see another > specialist they tell me that I will have this arthritis for life and > that I should also now have methotrexate also. I`ve done some > research don`t like the sound of it. I stumbled accross the low dose > antibiotic method which lead me here. > > The idea of treating the cause rather than the symptoms seems to make > much more sense to me. However the low dose antibiotic method seems > just as problematic as other options. > > Doesn`t the body build up an ammunity to antibiotics meaning that > will eventually not work also leaving me more susceptable to other > infections? > > Is it something that you usually take forever? > > Does anyone have a similar story to my and can vouch for results? > > How long does it usually take for results? > > What have the results been like for you? > > Sorry for the long winded post! > > Any info much appreciated > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Hi dolores its brennen. I just read your story. That is simply amazing that u pulled yourself back to health with antibiotics when the drs. Could do nothing for u . Now your immune systm is better than before that gives us all hope. Can I ask how old u r ? Where u adding probiotics ? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile rheumatic New to this site, my story and some questions! rheumatic@grou ps.com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 9:06 PM Hi, I`ll give you my background. I went to Thailand in March and got mild gastro, didn`t think anything of it. In the last week I was there a thin red line appeared in my right eye, but no pain. Got back and the red line was still there but no pain, after a week or two it began to hurt a little so I went to the doctor, who gave me some antibiotic drops. That night the fun began, I put them in and my eye flare up very red and was insanely painful. The next day I went to eye emergency room to get checked out, noticed I was really stiff in the legs but was worrying about my eye too much. They gave me various drops, pred forte etc and I kept going back for the next week. I told them I was a bit stiff and they said `Òh yeah, by the way you've probably arthritis better see a rheumatologist about it` I was thinking `What the...?` For the next month I did loads of tests often offering the idea that `perhaps this has something to do with Thailand` all the doctors said it had nothing to do with it. Then after seeing a few different specialists they finally worked out it was Reiters disease and that I had the genetic HLA B27 marker. The eye slowly got better and I went on anti-inflammatories (Meloxican), was told that I should be better by six months. Six months passes eye is no longer flared up, but joints are still very much inflammed, so I begin (about 10 weeks ago) sulfasalazine. As yet there has been no real change, I went to see another specialist they tell me that I will have this arthritis for life and that I should also now have methotrexate also. I`ve done some research don`t like the sound of it. I stumbled accross the low dose antibiotic method which lead me here. The idea of treating the cause rather than the symptoms seems to make much more sense to me. However the low dose antibiotic method seems just as problematic as other options. Doesn`t the body build up an ammunity to antibiotics meaning that will eventually not work also leaving me more susceptable to other infections? Is it something that you usually take forever? Does anyone have a similar story to my and can vouch for results? How long does it usually take for results? What have the results been like for you? Sorry for the long winded post! Any info much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Hi Brennan, I'm glad my story inspired you. Yes, I have had setbacks from time to time, but instead of being discouraged by them, I welcome them knowing that I am fighting the disease and not obsessing on the symptoms. The symptoms come and go. For a year I had a sniffly, runny nose and a terrible itch that came & went. Those two are now gone, but others come from time to time. Each set of microbes emit their toxic effect as they die off and knowing that gives me hope that I am doing the correct thing or I wouldn't be here today. These TH 1 diseases take a long time to resolve. Micoplasmas are Cell-Wall-Deficient and they easily slip their DNA into a healthy immune cell. They kill off the DNA and live as a parasite in the cell. When they overtake too many of our immune cells, the immune system slows down and we get sick. This is a slow process as they are slow growing and slow dying. The most important thing you need to get through this is patience, patience, patience.. Write down your progress and re-read it from time to time just to remind yourself during rough times that there is a light at the end of the tunnel Good luck. Dolores From: dominicw78 <dominicw78 (DOT) com.au> Subject: rheumatic New to this site, my story and some questions! rheumatic@grou ps.com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 9:06 PM Hi, I`ll give you my background. I went to Thailand in March and got mild gastro, didn`t think anything of it. In the last week I was there a thin red line appeared in my right eye, but no pain. Got back and the red line was still there but no pain, after a week or two it began to hurt a little so I went to the doctor, who gave me some antibiotic drops. That night the fun began, I put them in and my eye flare up very red and was insanely painful. The next day I went to eye emergency room to get checked out, noticed I was really stiff in the legs but was worrying about my eye too much. They gave me various drops, pred forte etc and I kept going back for the next week. I told them I was a bit stiff and they said `Òh yeah, by the way you've probably arthritis better see a rheumatologist about it` I was thinking `What the...?` For the next month I did loads of tests often offering the idea that `perhaps this has something to do with Thailand` all the doctors said it had nothing to do with it. Then after seeing a few different specialists they finally worked out it was Reiters disease and that I had the genetic HLA B27 marker. The eye slowly got better and I went on anti-inflammatories (Meloxican), was told that I should be better by six months. Six months passes eye is no longer flared up, but joints are still very much inflammed, so I begin (about 10 weeks ago) sulfasalazine. As yet there has been no real change, I went to see another specialist they tell me that I will have this arthritis for life and that I should also now have methotrexate also. I`ve done some research don`t like the sound of it. I stumbled accross the low dose antibiotic method which lead me here. The idea of treating the cause rather than the symptoms seems to make much more sense to me. However the low dose antibiotic method seems just as problematic as other options. Doesn`t the body build up an ammunity to antibiotics meaning that will eventually not work also leaving me more susceptable to other infections? Is it something that you usually take forever? Does anyone have a similar story to my and can vouch for results? How long does it usually take for results? What have the results been like for you? Sorry for the long winded post! Any info much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 This is another reason to use antibiotics. Using antibiotics whether they are pulsed or taken in large doses, we must treat according to the disease. It is not unusual for people who take heavy duty antibiotics to have fungal infections and other co-infections from the bacteria and viruses. All infections must be treated whether it be of fungal, viral or bacterial origin. Ridding ourselves of these parasites is the main thing. Congratulations on your perseverence. You have great patience. My best to your continued success. Dolores > Hi, > > I`ll give you my background. I went to Thailand in March and got > mild gastro, didn`t think anything of it. In the last week I was > there a thin red line appeared in my right eye, but no pain. > > Got back and the red line was still there but no pain, after a week > or two it began to hurt a little so I went to the doctor, who gave me > some antibiotic drops. That night the fun began, I put them in and > my eye flare up very red and was insanely painful. > > The next day I went to eye emergency room to get checked out, noticed > I was really stiff in the legs but was worrying about my eye too > much. They gave me various drops, pred forte etc and I kept going > back for the next week. I told them I was a bit stiff and they said > `Òh yeah, by the way you've probably arthritis better see a > rheumatologist about it` I was thinking `What the...?` > > For the next month I did loads of tests often offering the idea that > `perhaps this has something to do with Thailand` all the doctors said > it had nothing to do with it. > > Then after seeing a few different specialists they finally worked out > it was Reiters disease and that I had the genetic HLA B27 marker. > > The eye slowly got better and I went on anti-inflammatories > (Meloxican), was told that I should be better by six months. Six > months passes eye is no longer flared up, but joints are still very > much inflammed, so I begin (about 10 weeks ago) sulfasalazine. > > As yet there has been no real change, I went to see another > specialist they tell me that I will have this arthritis for life and > that I should also now have methotrexate also. I`ve done some > research don`t like the sound of it. I stumbled accross the low dose > antibiotic method which lead me here. > > The idea of treating the cause rather than the symptoms seems to make > much more sense to me. However the low dose antibiotic method seems > just as problematic as other options. > > Doesn`t the body build up an ammunity to antibiotics meaning that > will eventually not work also leaving me more susceptable to other > infections? > > Is it something that you usually take forever? > > Does anyone have a similar story to my and can vouch for results? > > How long does it usually take for results? > > What have the results been like for you? > > Sorry for the long winded post! > > Any info much appreciated > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Welcome! The intracellular bacteria being treated with this low dose protocol are cell wall deficient organisms, and therefore cannot build up resistance to the antibiotics. Long term studies on the efficacy of this treatment show that the longer one stays on the antibiotics, the better the results. Also, the antibiotics possess anti inflammatory and immunomodulating properties, which also contribute to the benefits. See the FAQs on rheumatic.org, also I believe there are medical histories of people who have used this for Reiter's on the website. I can tell you that I had an extremely severe case of polymyositis- first doc said I would die, all the rest said it would be a lifetime of disability, and I was only 24 yrs!- and I have made an almost complete recovery- hoping to be fully recovered in the next year. I was so weak I could only wiggle my fingers and toes and was in horrific pain. Now I am nearly perfect. This is an illness that is treated with steroids and immunosuppressants and I ONLY used the antibiotics! It was a long gradual process however. It takes time to see a change, and for some people it takes two years before the turnaround. I was acting purely on faith all that time, and it paid off. Best of luck, Emma On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:06 PM, dominicw78 <dominicw78@...>wrote: > Hi, > > I`ll give you my background. I went to Thailand in March and got > mild gastro, didn`t think anything of it. In the last week I was > there a thin red line appeared in my right eye, but no pain. > > Got back and the red line was still there but no pain, after a week > or two it began to hurt a little so I went to the doctor, who gave me > some antibiotic drops. That night the fun began, I put them in and > my eye flare up very red and was insanely painful. > > The next day I went to eye emergency room to get checked out, noticed > I was really stiff in the legs but was worrying about my eye too > much. They gave me various drops, pred forte etc and I kept going > back for the next week. I told them I was a bit stiff and they said > `Òh yeah, by the way you've probably arthritis better see a > rheumatologist about it` I was thinking `What the...?` > > For the next month I did loads of tests often offering the idea that > `perhaps this has something to do with Thailand` all the doctors said > it had nothing to do with it. > > Then after seeing a few different specialists they finally worked out > it was Reiters disease and that I had the genetic HLA B27 marker. > > The eye slowly got better and I went on anti-inflammatories > (Meloxican), was told that I should be better by six months. Six > months passes eye is no longer flared up, but joints are still very > much inflammed, so I begin (about 10 weeks ago) sulfasalazine. > > As yet there has been no real change, I went to see another > specialist they tell me that I will have this arthritis for life and > that I should also now have methotrexate also. I`ve done some > research don`t like the sound of it. I stumbled accross the low dose > antibiotic method which lead me here. > > The idea of treating the cause rather than the symptoms seems to make > much more sense to me. However the low dose antibiotic method seems > just as problematic as other options. > > Doesn`t the body build up an ammunity to antibiotics meaning that > will eventually not work also leaving me more susceptable to other > infections? > > Is it something that you usually take forever? > > Does anyone have a similar story to my and can vouch for results? > > How long does it usually take for results? > > What have the results been like for you? > > Sorry for the long winded post! > > Any info much appreciated > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 HI - I was diagnosed with RA 2-1/2 years ago. Started with just NSAIDS, had time to look stuff up, read Scammell's book, and got started on minocin. Worked great, minor side effects, so after 6 mos. switched to Doxycycline. Spent the next 12 mos. totally symptom free. Then made the mistake of switching from generic tablets to generic capsules. after about 4 weeks, a flare. Then another, and another. After 6 mos of upping the dose, trying everything, I realized that this had started after the change of dosage type. Went back to the tabs, but the disease has totally invaded my joints. Some almost immediate relief, but am still fighting joint problems...my hands are ruined. Would like to learn more about other antibiotic protocols. You mentioned the Marshall Protocol...what does that entail? My rheumatologist is anxious to get me on methotrexate, and I do not want that! Will need to find another who is more supportive of the antibiotic approach.... > > From: dominicw78 <dominicw78 (DOT) com.au> > Subject: rheumatic New to this site, my story and some questions! > rheumatic@grou ps.com > Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 9:06 PM > > Hi, > > I`ll give you my background. I went to Thailand in March and got > mild gastro, didn`t think anything of it. In the last week I was > there a thin red line appeared in my right eye, but no pain. > > Got back and the red line was still there but no pain, after a week > or two it began to hurt a little so I went to the doctor, who gave me > some antibiotic drops. That night the fun began, I put them in and > my eye flare up very red and was insanely painful. > > The next day I went to eye emergency room to get checked out, noticed > I was really stiff in the legs but was worrying about my eye too > much. They gave me various drops, pred forte etc and I kept going > back for the next week. I told them I was a bit stiff and they said > `Òh yeah, by the way you've probably arthritis better see a > rheumatologist about it` I was thinking `What the...?` > > For the next month I did loads of tests often offering the idea that > `perhaps this has something to do with Thailand` all the doctors said > it had nothing to do with it. > > Then after seeing a few different specialists they finally worked out > it was Reiters disease and that I had the genetic HLA B27 marker. > > The eye slowly got better and I went on anti-inflammatories > (Meloxican), was told that I should be better by six months. Six > months passes eye is no longer flared up, but joints are still very > much inflammed, so I begin (about 10 weeks ago) sulfasalazine. > > As yet there has been no real change, I went to see another > specialist they tell me that I will have this arthritis for life and > that I should also now have methotrexate also. I`ve done some > research don`t like the sound of it. I stumbled accross the low dose > antibiotic method which lead me here. > > The idea of treating the cause rather than the symptoms seems to make > much more sense to me. However the low dose antibiotic method seems > just as problematic as other options. > > Doesn`t the body build up an ammunity to antibiotics meaning that > will eventually not work also leaving me more susceptable to other > infections? > > Is it something that you usually take forever? > > Does anyone have a similar story to my and can vouch for results? > > How long does it usually take for results? > > What have the results been like for you? > > Sorry for the long winded post! > > Any info much appreciated > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 HI - I was diagnosed with RA 2-1/2 years ago. Started with just NSAIDS, had time to look stuff up, read Scammell's book, and got started on minocin. Worked great, minor side effects, so after 6 mos. switched to Doxycycline. Spent the next 12 mos. totally symptom free. Then made the mistake of switching from generic tablets to generic capsules. after about 4 weeks, a flare. Then another, and another. After 6 mos of upping the dose, trying everything, I realized that this had started after the change of dosage type. Went back to the tabs, but the disease has totally invaded my joints. Some almost immediate relief, but am still fighting joint problems...my hands are ruined. Would like to learn more about other antibiotic protocols. You mentioned the Marshall Protocol...what does that entail? My rheumatologist is anxious to get me on methotrexate, and I do not want that! Will need to find another who is more supportive of the antibiotic approach.... > > From: dominicw78 <dominicw78 (DOT) com.au> > Subject: rheumatic New to this site, my story and some questions! > rheumatic@grou ps.com > Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 9:06 PM > > Hi, > > I`ll give you my background. I went to Thailand in March and got > mild gastro, didn`t think anything of it. In the last week I was > there a thin red line appeared in my right eye, but no pain. > > Got back and the red line was still there but no pain, after a week > or two it began to hurt a little so I went to the doctor, who gave me > some antibiotic drops. That night the fun began, I put them in and > my eye flare up very red and was insanely painful. > > The next day I went to eye emergency room to get checked out, noticed > I was really stiff in the legs but was worrying about my eye too > much. They gave me various drops, pred forte etc and I kept going > back for the next week. I told them I was a bit stiff and they said > `Òh yeah, by the way you've probably arthritis better see a > rheumatologist about it` I was thinking `What the...?` > > For the next month I did loads of tests often offering the idea that > `perhaps this has something to do with Thailand` all the doctors said > it had nothing to do with it. > > Then after seeing a few different specialists they finally worked out > it was Reiters disease and that I had the genetic HLA B27 marker. > > The eye slowly got better and I went on anti-inflammatories > (Meloxican), was told that I should be better by six months. Six > months passes eye is no longer flared up, but joints are still very > much inflammed, so I begin (about 10 weeks ago) sulfasalazine. > > As yet there has been no real change, I went to see another > specialist they tell me that I will have this arthritis for life and > that I should also now have methotrexate also. I`ve done some > research don`t like the sound of it. I stumbled accross the low dose > antibiotic method which lead me here. > > The idea of treating the cause rather than the symptoms seems to make > much more sense to me. However the low dose antibiotic method seems > just as problematic as other options. > > Doesn`t the body build up an ammunity to antibiotics meaning that > will eventually not work also leaving me more susceptable to other > infections? > > Is it something that you usually take forever? > > Does anyone have a similar story to my and can vouch for results? > > How long does it usually take for results? > > What have the results been like for you? > > Sorry for the long winded post! > > Any info much appreciated > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Hi Mousetit, I have read your posts before, possibly on another site. Why did you switch from Minocin to Doxy if you were doing so well? I do not know what could have caused the flare. Possibly it could have been a re-infection of another organism or a herx. I think you need to have some blood work done to determine exactly what your body is fighting. Then choose the appropriate ABX. Switching and changing is actually guess work. Have you tried going to an infectious disease doctor who won't offer you methotrexate. You need someone who is familiar with A/P and willing to treat your condition with what you believe works. Ask your doc to do a blood panel on the different micoplasmas and such and to do a test for antibodies to see what you have been fighting. Have him check you for viral invasion and for fungal infection. All three together are reasons for flare or it could be a herx which is a good thing. That means the antibiotic is working. Then get a copy of all tests and take it to a doc who will be more compliant. In the meantime, try to reduce the inflammation as best as you can without using steroids if you can help it. A short week of therapy with a diminishing dose of prednisone which acts quickly can give you that boost. But avoid the prednisone for long term usage. Inflammation is what is causing the damage to the joints. There are foods and herbs and OTC'c that can help. I have not had to go there so I don't follow the nutrition part too well. I am guilty of that since I have been so successful with ABX. You ask about M/P. You should google that and read it. But first find out what you are fighting off. Most important and good luck. Dolores & Mike From: mousetit123 <mousetit123@...> Subject: rheumatic Re: New to this site, my story and some questions! rheumatic Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 1:38 PM HI - I was diagnosed with RA 2-1/2 years ago. Started with just NSAIDS, had time to look stuff up, read Scammell's book, and got started on minocin. Worked great, minor side effects, so after 6 mos. switched to Doxycycline. Spent the next 12 mos. totally symptom free. Then made the mistake of switching from generic tablets to generic capsules. after about 4 weeks, a flare. Then another, and another. After 6 mos of upping the dose, trying everything, I realized that this had started after the change of dosage type. Went back to the tabs, but the disease has totally invaded my joints. Some almost immediate relief, but am still fighting joint problems...my hands are ruined. Would like to learn more about other antibiotic protocols. You mentioned the Marshall Protocol...what does that entail? My rheumatologist is anxious to get me on methotrexate, and I do not want that! Will need to find another who is more supportive of the antibiotic approach.... > > From: dominicw78 <dominicw78@ . com.au> > Subject: rheumatic New to this site, my story and some questions! > rheumatic@grou ps.com > Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 9:06 PM > > Hi, > > I`ll give you my background. I went to Thailand in March and got > mild gastro, didn`t think anything of it. In the last week I was > there a thin red line appeared in my right eye, but no pain. > > Got back and the red line was still there but no pain, after a week > or two it began to hurt a little so I went to the doctor, who gave me > some antibiotic drops. That night the fun began, I put them in and > my eye flare up very red and was insanely painful. > > The next day I went to eye emergency room to get checked out, noticed > I was really stiff in the legs but was worrying about my eye too > much. They gave me various drops, pred forte etc and I kept going > back for the next week. I told them I was a bit stiff and they said > `Òh yeah, by the way you've probably arthritis better see a > rheumatologist about it` I was thinking `What the...?` > > For the next month I did loads of tests often offering the idea that > `perhaps this has something to do with Thailand` all the doctors said > it had nothing to do with it. > > Then after seeing a few different specialists they finally worked out > it was Reiters disease and that I had the genetic HLA B27 marker. > > The eye slowly got better and I went on anti-inflammatories > (Meloxican), was told that I should be better by six months. Six > months passes eye is no longer flared up, but joints are still very > much inflammed, so I begin (about 10 weeks ago) sulfasalazine. > > As yet there has been no real change, I went to see another > specialist they tell me that I will have this arthritis for life and > that I should also now have methotrexate also. I`ve done some > research don`t like the sound of it. I stumbled accross the low dose > antibiotic method which lead me here. > > The idea of treating the cause rather than the symptoms seems to make > much more sense to me. However the low dose antibiotic method seems > just as problematic as other options. > > Doesn`t the body build up an ammunity to antibiotics meaning that > will eventually not work also leaving me more susceptable to other > infections? > > Is it something that you usually take forever? > > Does anyone have a similar story to my and can vouch for results? > > How long does it usually take for results? > > What have the results been like for you? > > Sorry for the long winded post! > > Any info much appreciated > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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