Re: SDA vegetarian and cancer

[Guest guest]

Sally and I talked about this. Though we cannot prove it, we think its

because of the higher pesticides they are exposed to by eating more grains

and vegetables. Pesticides are synthetic estrogens.

But I'm not sure. The study showed the SDAs had higher rates of malignant

melanoma and brain cancer as well, but lower breast cancer rates.

SCB

>From: " Food From Afar " <foodfromafar@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: SDA vegetarian and cancer

>Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:52:15 -0500

>

> >>the AJCN study that showed that vegetarian SDAs had higher

>rates of several cancers than the general population--some quite

>significantly. The rates of endometrial cancer were so high that the

>authors

>of the paper expressed alarm.

>

>Why is that? Is it because of the high levels of pesticides/herbicides or

>phytoestrogens or what? I am not familiar with the AJCN study. Thanks!

>ine

>

>

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--- In @y..., " Dr. Byrnes " <daxx404@h...>

wrote:

> Sally and I talked about this. Though we cannot prove it, we think

its

> because of the higher pesticides they are exposed to by eating more

grains

> and vegetables. Pesticides are synthetic estrogens.

>

Wouldn't those who eat nonorganic plant and animal based food be

consuming the same amount of pesticides as the SDA vegetarians?

Roman

[Guest guest]

I thought there are higher concentrations of pesticides in meat (especiallly

fat) since meat is

higher up on the food chain and concentrates the toxins, much as fish

concentrate mercury.

J.

" Dr. Byrnes " schrieb:

>

> Sally and I talked about this. Though we cannot prove it, we think its

> because of the higher pesticides they are exposed to by eating more grains

> and vegetables. Pesticides are synthetic estrogens.

>

> But I'm not sure. The study showed the SDAs had higher rates of malignant

> melanoma and brain cancer as well, but lower breast cancer rates.

>

> SCB

>

> >From: " Food From Afar " <foodfromafar@...>

> >Reply-

> >< >

> >Subject: SDA vegetarian and cancer

> >Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:52:15 -0500

> >

> > >>the AJCN study that showed that vegetarian SDAs had higher

> >rates of several cancers than the general population--some quite

> >significantly. The rates of endometrial cancer were so high that the

> >authors

> >of the paper expressed alarm.

> >

> >Why is that? Is it because of the high levels of pesticides/herbicides or

> >phytoestrogens or what? I am not familiar with the AJCN study. Thanks!

> >ine

> >

> >

>

> All the best,

>

> Byrnes, PhD, RNCP

> http://www.PowerHealth.net

>

> _________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

This may be true, but the nutrients in meat provide the body with the raw

materials to get rid of it, e.g., glutathione. This might explain the

discrepancy.

SCB

>From: son <hjacobson@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: SDA vegetarian and cancer

>Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 08:14:51 +0100

>

>I thought there are higher concentrations of pesticides in meat

>(especiallly fat) since meat is

>higher up on the food chain and concentrates the toxins, much as fish

>concentrate mercury.

>

> J.

>

> " Dr. Byrnes " schrieb:

> >

> > Sally and I talked about this. Though we cannot prove it, we think its

> > because of the higher pesticides they are exposed to by eating more

>grains

> > and vegetables. Pesticides are synthetic estrogens.

> >

> > But I'm not sure. The study showed the SDAs had higher rates of

>malignant

> > melanoma and brain cancer as well, but lower breast cancer rates.

> >

> > SCB

> >

> > >From: " Food From Afar " <foodfromafar@...>

> > >Reply-

> > >< >

> > >Subject: SDA vegetarian and cancer

> > >Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:52:15 -0500

> > >

> > > >>the AJCN study that showed that vegetarian SDAs had higher

> > >rates of several cancers than the general population--some quite

> > >significantly. The rates of endometrial cancer were so high that the

> > >authors

> > >of the paper expressed alarm.

> > >

> > >Why is that? Is it because of the high levels of pesticides/herbicides

>or

> > >phytoestrogens or what? I am not familiar with the AJCN study.

>Thanks!

> > >ine

> > >

> > >

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Byrnes, PhD, RNCP

> > http://www.PowerHealth.net

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:

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> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Like I said in another post, meat provides the body with good amounts of

cysteine which the body then uses to create glutathione. Glutathione is what

the body uses, mostly in the liver, to detoxify harmful substances. There

are also other antioxidants found principally in animal foods.

>From: " r_rom " <r_rom@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: SDA vegetarian and cancer

>Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 04:59:06 -0000

>

>--- In @y..., " Dr. Byrnes " <daxx404@h...>

>wrote:

> > Sally and I talked about this. Though we cannot prove it, we think

>its

> > because of the higher pesticides they are exposed to by eating more

>grains

> > and vegetables. Pesticides are synthetic estrogens.

> >

>

>

>Wouldn't those who eat nonorganic plant and animal based food be

>consuming the same amount of pesticides as the SDA vegetarians?

>

>Roman

>

All the best,

Byrnes, PhD, RNCP

http://www.PowerHealth.net

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[Guest guest]

What appears to contradict this are the studies that show far fewer such

contaminants in the

breastmilk of vegetarian and vegan mothers.

" Dr. Byrnes " schrieb:

>

> Like I said in another post, meat provides the body with good amounts of

> cysteine which the body then uses to create glutathione. Glutathione is what

> the body uses, mostly in the liver, to detoxify harmful substances. There

> are also other antioxidants found principally in animal foods.

>

> >From: " r_rom " <r_rom@...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: SDA vegetarian and cancer

> >Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 04:59:06 -0000

> >

> >--- In @y..., " Dr. Byrnes " <daxx404@h...>

> >wrote:

> > > Sally and I talked about this. Though we cannot prove it, we think

> >its

> > > because of the higher pesticides they are exposed to by eating more

> >grains

> > > and vegetables. Pesticides are synthetic estrogens.

> > >

> >

> >

> >Wouldn't those who eat nonorganic plant and animal based food be

> >consuming the same amount of pesticides as the SDA vegetarians?

> >

> >Roman

> >

>

> All the best,

>

> Byrnes, PhD, RNCP

> http://www.PowerHealth.net

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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>What appears to contradict this are the studies that show far fewer such

>contaminants in the

>breastmilk of vegetarian and vegan mothers.

I'd have to look at those studies, but nobody here is advocating preferring

confinement-raised meat, which will be full of all sorts of pesticides and

synthetic growth hormones and whatnot. Wherever possible, grassfed and

organic is best. However, if forced to choose, I'd pick grassfed over

organic. Grassfed animals will naturally be subjected to fewer toxic

amendments than confinement-raised animals, and their meat will have the

benefits of the grass diet, whereas all the organic soy and corn in the

world won't raise a healthy cow.

-

[Guest guest]

Roman-

>Wouldn't those who eat nonorganic plant and animal based food be

>consuming the same amount of pesticides as the SDA vegetarians?

Not the same amount, exactly, but saturated fat has a protective effect.

-

[Guest guest]

>Wouldn't those who eat nonorganic plant and animal based food be

>consuming the same amount of pesticides as the SDA vegetarians?

>>>>Not the same amount, exactly, but saturated fat has a protective effect.

,

Can you explain how saturated fat has a protective effect against

pesticides? If this was part of a recent discussion, I apologized that I

missed it. Just let me know if it was and I'll check the archives. If not,

please let me know where I can read more about it. Was it in NT? I haven't

read NT or NAPD cover to cover, so pardon me if I'm asking something that

was in either of those sources.

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://www.suscom-maine.net/~cfisher/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

A few years ago the neighbor's horse died of cancer. Horses are herbivores.

> I thought there are higher concentrations of pesticides in meat (especiallly

fat) since meat is

> higher up on the food chain and concentrates the toxins, much as fish

concentrate mercury.

>

> J.

>

> " Dr. Byrnes " schrieb:

> >

> > Sally and I talked about this. Though we cannot prove it, we think its

> > because of the higher pesticides they are exposed to by eating more grains

> > and vegetables. Pesticides are synthetic estrogens.

> >

> > But I'm not sure. The study showed the SDAs had higher rates of malignant

> > melanoma and brain cancer as well, but lower breast cancer rates.

> >

> > SCB

> >

> > >From: " Food From Afar " <foodfromafar@c...>

> > >Reply- @y...

> > >< @y...>

> > >Subject: SDA vegetarian and cancer

> > >Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:52:15 -0500

> > >

> > > >>the AJCN study that showed that vegetarian SDAs had higher

> > >rates of several cancers than the general population--some quite

> > >significantly. The rates of endometrial cancer were so high that the

> > >authors

> > >of the paper expressed alarm.

> > >

> > >Why is that? Is it because of the high levels of pesticides/herbicides or

> > >phytoestrogens or what? I am not familiar with the AJCN study. Thanks!

> > >ine

> > >

> > >

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Byrnes, PhD, RNCP

> > http://www.PowerHealth.net

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:

> > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Why don't I do this:

Anyone who wants a copy of the AJCN paper, please send me a self-addressed

stamped envelope (with 55 cents postage US on it) and $1 to cover copying

costs, and I'll be happy to mail the study out to you.

Send requests to

Byrnes

PO Box 90761

Honolulu, HI., 96835

Cheers!

>From: son <hjacobson@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Re: SDA vegetarian and cancer

>Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:49:46 +0100

>

>What appears to contradict this are the studies that show far fewer such

>contaminants in the

>breastmilk of vegetarian and vegan mothers.

>

> " Dr. Byrnes " schrieb:

> >

> > Like I said in another post, meat provides the body with good amounts of

> > cysteine which the body then uses to create glutathione. Glutathione is

>what

> > the body uses, mostly in the liver, to detoxify harmful substances.

>There

> > are also other antioxidants found principally in animal foods.

> >

> > >From: " r_rom " <r_rom@...>

> > >Reply-

> > >

> > >Subject: Re: SDA vegetarian and cancer

> > >Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 04:59:06 -0000

> > >

> > >--- In @y..., " Dr. Byrnes " <daxx404@h...>

> > >wrote:

> > > > Sally and I talked about this. Though we cannot prove it, we think

> > >its

> > > > because of the higher pesticides they are exposed to by eating more

> > >grains

> > > > and vegetables. Pesticides are synthetic estrogens.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Wouldn't those who eat nonorganic plant and animal based food be

> > >consuming the same amount of pesticides as the SDA vegetarians?

> > >

> > >Roman

> > >

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Byrnes, PhD, RNCP

> > http://www.PowerHealth.net

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

What are you saying exactly?

alecwood schrieb:

> A few years ago the neighbor's horse died of cancer. Horses are herbivores.

>

>

> > I thought there are higher concentrations of pesticides in meat (especiallly

fat) since meat is

> > higher up on the food chain and concentrates the toxins, much as fish

concentrate mercury.

> >

> > J.

> >

> > " Dr. Byrnes " schrieb:

> > >

> > > Sally and I talked about this. Though we cannot prove it, we think its

> > > because of the higher pesticides they are exposed to by eating more grains

> > > and vegetables. Pesticides are synthetic estrogens.

> > >

> > > But I'm not sure. The study showed the SDAs had higher rates of malignant

> > > melanoma and brain cancer as well, but lower breast cancer rates.

> > >

> > > SCB

> > >

> > > >From: " Food From Afar " <foodfromafar@c...>

> > > >Reply- @y...

> > > >< @y...>

> > > >Subject: SDA vegetarian and cancer

> > > >Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:52:15 -0500

> > > >

> > > > >>the AJCN study that showed that vegetarian SDAs had higher

> > > >rates of several cancers than the general population--some quite

> > > >significantly. The rates of endometrial cancer were so high that the

> > > >authors

> > > >of the paper expressed alarm.

> > > >

> > > >Why is that? Is it because of the high levels of pesticides/herbicides

or

> > > >phytoestrogens or what? I am not familiar with the AJCN study. Thanks!

> > > >ine

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > All the best,

> > >

> > > Byrnes, PhD, RNCP

> > > http://www.PowerHealth.net

> > >

> > > _________________________________________________________________

> > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:

> > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

> What are you saying exactly?

>

> alecwood schrieb:

>

> > A few years ago the neighbor's horse died of cancer. Horses are

herbivores.

I am saying the claim that meat causes cancer and the claim that

vegetarians have a lower rate of cancer is nonsense. Horses get

cancer, sharks don't. Sharks are not vegetarian. Mormons, who don't

smoke, don't drink and don't consume foods containing caffiene

(including chocolate), but are not vegetarians, have a lower cancer

rate than vegetarian Seveth Day Adventist, who also don't smoke and

don't drink.