Re: Latest labs.. again..

[Guest guest]

I think most people know we got the best medical system in the world - economy wise, that's for sure. First you pay $300 for GP appointments, meds etc. then, when you pass that amount, EVERYTHING is free. Operations, medicines, etc. etc. As much as you want and need.

 

You cannot use that lab to GUESS anything. It is not accurate.

_._,___

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nick.Where would you insert those new 5 mcgs?FT3 is not under Range though, that would be <3.5 and dangerous, but it is under where we want it to be, which is around 7 or above, right?Yeah. Ferritin is the thing. I am just worried I am trapped and will get less and less T3 while not getting Ferritin up. THAT can be very dangerous, right?I will do a new rT3 soon.

>FT3 5.7 (3.5 - 7.0) Down from 6.2 on the 18th of February

>FT4 4.9

>TSH 0.42

The FT4 is accurate, you didn't take any T4 in the morning. This is

the best reading I have seen for you, you have finally got the T3 high 

enough too start suppressing T4 and hence started getting rid of RT3

seriously now

TSH is probably low from the T3 you took and yet is not too low, we

could do with it at 0.1 or even under.

FT3 is not accurate BUT it is under range. It won't be reading any

lower than the true reading so you are under range on FT3.

This all says that you are not on too much T3 from the point of view

of circulating thyroid levels.

The question then is do you have enough ferritin to support an

increase, the answer is probably to try it and see, add another 5mcg

and if you end up with an adrenaline rush and panic attack or too much

of your tickling heart feeling the don't take it the next day, in fact

miss out the following 5 and it will wear off in 3 hours or so.

Your choice, the labs say you are not on too much evenn though they

are reading high from taking T3, you are supplementing iron heavily

again. You say you feel you probably need an increase, give it a try

if you want.

Nick

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nick.Where would you insert those new 5 mcgs?FT3 is not under Range though, that would be <3.5 and dangerous, but it is under where we want it to be, which is around 7 or above, right?Yeah. Ferritin is the thing. I am just worried I am trapped and will get less and less T3 while not getting Ferritin up. THAT can be very dangerous, right?I will do a new rT3 soon.

>FT3 5.7 (3.5 - 7.0) Down from 6.2 on the 18th of February

>FT4 4.9

>TSH 0.42

The FT4 is accurate, you didn't take any T4 in the morning. This is

the best reading I have seen for you, you have finally got the T3 high 

enough too start suppressing T4 and hence started getting rid of RT3

seriously now

TSH is probably low from the T3 you took and yet is not too low, we

could do with it at 0.1 or even under.

FT3 is not accurate BUT it is under range. It won't be reading any

lower than the true reading so you are under range on FT3.

This all says that you are not on too much T3 from the point of view

of circulating thyroid levels.

The question then is do you have enough ferritin to support an

increase, the answer is probably to try it and see, add another 5mcg

and if you end up with an adrenaline rush and panic attack or too much

of your tickling heart feeling the don't take it the next day, in fact

miss out the following 5 and it will wear off in 3 hours or so.

Your choice, the labs say you are not on too much evenn though they

are reading high from taking T3, you are supplementing iron heavily

again. You say you feel you probably need an increase, give it a try

if you want.

Nick

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nick.Where would you insert those new 5 mcgs?FT3 is not under Range though, that would be <3.5 and dangerous, but it is under where we want it to be, which is around 7 or above, right?Yeah. Ferritin is the thing. I am just worried I am trapped and will get less and less T3 while not getting Ferritin up. THAT can be very dangerous, right?I will do a new rT3 soon.

>FT3 5.7 (3.5 - 7.0) Down from 6.2 on the 18th of February

>FT4 4.9

>TSH 0.42

The FT4 is accurate, you didn't take any T4 in the morning. This is

the best reading I have seen for you, you have finally got the T3 high 

enough too start suppressing T4 and hence started getting rid of RT3

seriously now

TSH is probably low from the T3 you took and yet is not too low, we

could do with it at 0.1 or even under.

FT3 is not accurate BUT it is under range. It won't be reading any

lower than the true reading so you are under range on FT3.

This all says that you are not on too much T3 from the point of view

of circulating thyroid levels.

The question then is do you have enough ferritin to support an

increase, the answer is probably to try it and see, add another 5mcg

and if you end up with an adrenaline rush and panic attack or too much

of your tickling heart feeling the don't take it the next day, in fact

miss out the following 5 and it will wear off in 3 hours or so.

Your choice, the labs say you are not on too much evenn though they

are reading high from taking T3, you are supplementing iron heavily

again. You say you feel you probably need an increase, give it a try

if you want.

Nick

[Guest guest]

Nick,I read your message again, and I feel I need more T3. I did increase the bedtime dose from 5 to 10 mcg, making the total 55 mcg. I still feel I need more! I talked to my first specialist last night, and he says it takes 2 months before the body adjusts to the T3 dose I am taking today. What do you make out of that?I am wondering about my stomach problems. If I take more T3, and feel better on it, maybe one day when my stomach WORKS again, the total T3 dose will be TOO HIGH for me?I even feel like I need to increase T3 today! Is it safe to up with 5+5 in just two days?Thanks!

>FT3 5.7 (3.5 - 7.0) Down from 6.2 on the 18th of February

>FT4 4.9

>TSH 0.42

The FT4 is accurate, you didn't take any T4 in the morning. This is

the best reading I have seen for you, you have finally got the T3 high

enough too start suppressing T4 and hence started getting rid of RT3

seriously now

TSH is probably low from the T3 you took and yet is not too low, we

could do with it at 0.1 or even under.

FT3 is not accurate BUT it is under range. It won't be reading any

lower than the true reading so you are under range on FT3.

This all says that you are not on too much T3 from the point of view

of circulating thyroid levels.

The question then is do you have enough ferritin to support an

increase, the answer is probably to try it and see, add another 5mcg

and if you end up with an adrenaline rush and panic attack or too much

of your tickling heart feeling the don't take it the next day, in fact

miss out the following 5 and it will wear off in 3 hours or so.

Your choice, the labs say you are not on too much evenn though they

are reading high from taking T3, you are supplementing iron heavily

again. You say you feel you probably need an increase, give it a try

if you want.

Nick

[Guest guest]

>I read your message again, and I feel I need more T3. I did increase the

bedtime dose from 5 to 10 mcg, making the total 55 mcg. I still feel I need

more! I talked to my first specialist last night, and he says it takes 2 months

before the body adjusts to the T3 dose I am taking today. What do you make out

of that?

That's more a T4 thing, even that stabilises in 6 weeks though.

Your proportion of T3 from T4 is now relatively low which means

things will stabilise quicker.

The actual T3 levels in your body from external T3 will stabilise

about 3 days after an increase. What then happens is a lowering of TSH

and a reduction of your own thyroid production and it's direct T3 plus

T4 and associated conversion. This will change at 2 speeds but the

bulk of the change will be there in a week. You don't need this to

fully stabilise to get to the point where you are hypo again though.

>

>I am wondering about my stomach problems. If I take more T3, and feel better on

it, maybe one day when my stomach WORKS again, the total T3 dose will be TOO

HIGH for me?

Then you just lower it again. By that time you will be on T3 only and

any overdose wears off in a few hours. That probably won't happen

until resistance clears anyway. The nice thing about T3 is that it has

a civilised timescale to it, it's slower than the kick from Natural

but much quicker than T4. It really is well suited to adjusting by

symptoms.

>I even feel like I need to increase T3 today! Is it safe to up with 5+5 in just

two days?

If you had fallen behind with the raises again yes. try it and see, if

it is too much then just skip the next dose and you are back where you

were in a few hours.

You need to learn to read your body and adjust the dose by how you

feel guided by pulse/temperature as well

Nick

[Guest guest]

Thank you for explaining things to me again, Nick! I believe I am low T3 now. Amongst other things. I have no doubt low thyroid can do bad things to the stomach and intestine, but I also feel this is something else. The doc at the ER today didn't run any other tests than Hepatitis A, which I will get the result from on Tuesday. She did, however, talk about my bile (?) and my other gland (can't remember the name of it!) - both enzymes need to be checked out, she said. I need to take this to the GP and run more bowel tests to try to find out what's going on here, if it's not Hepatitis A doing bad things to me.I find it scary to dose by symptoms, really. In worst case, my stomach will kick in, start working, and give me a high FT3 leading to serious fibrillation or something like that because I am on too much T3.My

temperatures have always been pretty good around 37.0 C (98.6 F) so that's useless to use as guidance. Pulse is one thing we should be able to use though. Pulse has been 72 to 84 mostly in the past few days. Temp 37.0 as always. When I wake up the temp is lower though, at 36.3. I measure orally, with a digital thermometer.I was 8 days on 50 mcg before I went up to 55 last night. Today I wanna try 60 mcg. I have no idea what my Ferritin is like. I do between 100 and 150 mg iron daily, depending on how bad my stomach feels.How will I feel if I am low on T3/FT3? My pulse isn't very low, temp is normal. But my head feels like it's very strange, weird, like I'm not living in the normal world, and I feel a bit lazy and sleepy. Stomach feels very bad, like it's aching. Like I haven't had anything to eat in 2 days. Weird.

>I read your message again, and I feel I need more T3. I did increase the bedtime dose from 5 to 10 mcg, making the total 55 mcg. I still feel I need more! I talked to my first specialist last night, and he says it takes 2 months before the body adjusts to the T3 dose I am taking today. What do you make out of that?

That's more a T4 thing, even that stabilises in 6 weeks though.

Your proportion of T3 from T4 is now relatively low which means

things will stabilise quicker.

The actual T3 levels in your body from external T3 will stabilise

about 3 days after an increase. What then happens is a lowering of TSH

and a reduction of your own thyroid production and it's direct T3 plus

T4 and associated conversion. This will change at 2 speeds but the

bulk of the change will be there in a week. You don't need this to

fully stabilise to get to the point where you are hypo again though.

>

>I am wondering about my stomach problems. If I take more T3, and feel better on it, maybe one day when my stomach WORKS again, the total T3 dose will be TOO HIGH for me?

Then you just lower it again. By that time you will be on T3 only and

any overdose wears off in a few hours. That probably won't happen

until resistance clears anyway. The nice thing about T3 is that it has

a civilised timescale to it, it's slower than the kick from Natural

but much quicker than T4. It really is well suited to adjusting by

symptoms.

>I even feel like I need to increase T3 today! Is it safe to up with 5+5 in just two days?

If you had fallen behind with the raises again yes. try it and see, if

it is too much then just skip the next dose and you are back where you

were in a few hours.

You need to learn to read your body and adjust the dose by how you

feel guided by pulse/temperature as well

 

Nick

[Guest guest]

Nick, if my pulse is NOT very low, and my temp is NOT very low, can I possibly be very hypo then? I am talking about FT3 being mid-range like mine is now versus the amount of T3 getting into my cells. What if I am getting MUCH less into my cells than we're seeing in my blood in FT3? Yes, I do worry a lot. But only because my body is telling me something is horribly wrong! I need to fix this.

Where would you add the new 5 mcg dose? I do 9 x 5 mcg daily orally, and 1 x 10 mcg daily sublingually.

[Guest guest]

Nick, if my pulse is NOT very low, and my temp is NOT very low, can I possibly be very hypo then? I am talking about FT3 being mid-range like mine is now versus the amount of T3 getting into my cells. What if I am getting MUCH less into my cells than we're seeing in my blood in FT3? Yes, I do worry a lot. But only because my body is telling me something is horribly wrong! I need to fix this.

Where would you add the new 5 mcg dose? I do 9 x 5 mcg daily orally, and 1 x 10 mcg daily sublingually.

[Guest guest]

As for upping T3 again, maybe I can just squeeze it in there so that it's 1 hour in between some 5 mcg doses instead of 1 1/2 hours?Oh, and what is this thing that we should take thyroid meds without food? I always take mine with food, because I feel I need to take HC at the same time as my thyroid meds (for the body to tolerate T3 at all) and, I need food with my HC to make my stomach not go totally bananas.Thanks,!

[Guest guest]

>As for upping T3 again, maybe I can just squeeze it in there so that it's 1

hour in between some 5 mcg doses instead of 1 1/2 hours?

Yep, that would work

>Oh, and what is this thing that we should take thyroid meds without food?

That's mostly a T4 thing, it doesn't seem to affect T3 much

>I always take mine with food, because I feel I need to take HC at the same time

as my thyroid meds (for the body to tolerate T3 at all) and, I need food with my

HC to make my stomach not go totally bananas.

That works, consistency is the most important thing, if something is

reducing absorption a bit then you can just take a little more to

compensate as long as it's the same every day

Nick

[Guest guest]

I am now doing either 1 1/2 or 1 hour between the T3 doses.My heart feels a bit strange now sometimes, like, a bit pain is coming from it, and like it stops beating, very softly, with a s trange sensation. Difficult to explain. No tickling today though. So I guess my heart is NOT being overstimulated in any way.I just try to avoid eating things with a lot of calcium with my T3. I do take T3 to my steak tho, with iron in it. But it's not that much of iron, so...There would be no way of knowing it's the same dose effectively every day unless you had a lab at your home! That thought has crossed my mind. :)Nick, any other words of advice for upping faster? Do I really _NEED_ to check my Ferritin again soon after stopping supplementing iron for 5 days before I go much higher? I know Val said

I should push iron istead of T3, but I feel SOOO hypo, so.. I don't know what to do! I feel like taking 20 mcg extra now to be honest.

>As for upping T3 again, maybe I can just squeeze it in there so that it's 1 hour in between some 5 mcg doses instead of 1 1/2 hours?

Yep, that would work

>Oh, and what is this thing that we should take thyroid meds without food?

That's mostly a T4 thing, it doesn't seem to affect T3 much

>I always take mine with food, because I feel I need to take HC at the same time as my thyroid meds (for the body to tolerate T3 at all) and, I need food with my HC to make my stomach not go totally bananas.

That works, consistency is the most important thing, if something is

reducing absorption a bit then you can just take a little more to

compensate as long as it's the same every day

[Guest guest]

I just took my second last dose of T3, making it 50 mcg so far today, gonna take 10 mcg at bedtime. My heart skipped a beat, and started beating very slowly for a while. And at the same time, my right ear started ringing, but with a deep bleepling tone. I feel extremely (more than before) sleepy and tired. What's going on - Is this me being VERY hypo for some reason? Anyone have some ideas? I am scared and feel I need more T3.

PS! Hope I am not a rare case which also needs T4 somehow!

[Guest guest]

, low ferritin can make you feel EXTREMELY TIRED. My mother had iron-deficiency anemia for most of her young adult years and described it as bone-crushing tiredness (she doesn't have any thyroid issues). Just curious, why did you decide to not do all your T3 doses sublingually? it really makes it so much easier since you don't have to time it with other things, plus it gets into your system more efficiently. Was there a specific reason?You could do your meals/iron/HC like you're doing now and do your T3 sublingually right after your meal. That would give the HC time to digest and get into your system and then you'd get the best benefit from the T3 too.You seem to have a lot of anxiety. Have you ever done the adrenal saliva testing? The ongoing anxiety might also be causing some of the heart sensations you experience. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryDate: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:32:34 -0800 (PST)To: <RT3_T3 >Subject: Re: Latest labs.. again.. I am now doing either 1 1/2 or 1 hour between the T3 doses.My heart feels a bit strange now sometimes, like, a bit pain is coming from it, and like it stops beating, very softly, with a s trange sensation. Difficult to explain. No tickling today though. So I guess my heart is NOT being overstimulated in any way.I just try to avoid eating things with a lot of calcium with my T3. I do take T3 to my steak tho, with iron in it. But it's not that much of iron, so...There would be no way of knowing it's the same dose effectively every day unless you had a lab at your home! That thought has crossed my mind. :)Nick, any other words of advice for upping faster? Do I really_NEED_ to check my Ferritin again soon after stopping supplementing iron for 5 days before I go much higher? I know Val saidI should push iron istead of T3, but I feel SOOO hypo, so.. I don't know what to do! I feel like taking 20 mcg extra now to be honest. >As for upping T3 again, maybe I can just squeeze it in there so that it's 1 hour in between some 5 mcg doses instead of 1 1/2 hours?Yep, that would work>Oh, and what is this thing that we should take thyroid meds without food? That's mostly a T4 thing, it doesn't seem to affect T3 much>I always take mine with food, because I feel I need to take HC at the same time as my thyroid meds (for the body to tolerate T3 at all) and, I need food with my HC to make my stomach not go totally bananas.That works, consistency is the most important thing, if something isreducing absorption a bit then you can just take a little more tocompensate as long as it's the same every day

[Guest guest]

>What's going on - Is this me being VERY hypo for some reason? Anyone have some

ideas? I am scared and feel I need more T3.

See how it goes from the increase then. You are getting to the sort of

dose level where an increase of 5 is a very small percentage of your

dose and hence might benefit from going up 10 at a time.

If you are feeling tired you may have taken the dose high enough to

suppress the adrenaline and be feeling the hypo now. A little more

might take you out the other side of hypo into feeling better.

We just need to hope that your Ferritin will support the amount of T3

you need to be on

Nick

[Guest guest]

Well I defitinely didn't become hyper during the night. I slept well, and heavily, except from my usual peebreak at 7 am. This morning, I found it impossible to get up from bed. I was so sleepy I could've slept all day long, at least that was what it felt like. My intelligence (hehe), however, forced me to get up and start doing the breakfast: Raindeer meat with a gluten-free sauce (not too much as it's carbs), a few spoons of brown rice, fresh parsillay, 3 leaves of light greeen salad, 4 micro tomatoes, some sea salt and a glass of sea salted water to that. As a dessert, I topped things off with 10 mg HC and 5 mcg T3. Doesn't sound bad now does it? :-) That's what I call a brakfast!The Ferritin bit is RISKY. And I don't like it a bit. What happens if my Ferritin is too low to handle the T3? What signs should I look out for and MORE

IMPORTANTLY: What do I do if my Ferritin is too low and I am hypo and now taking enough T3, but the T3 is too much for my Ferritin???

>What's going on - Is this me being VERY hypo for some reason? Anyone have some ideas? I am scared and feel I need more T3.

See how it goes from the increase then. You are getting to the sort of

dose level where an increase of 5 is a very small percentage of your

dose and hence might benefit from going up 10 at a time.

If you are feeling tired you may have taken the dose high enough to

suppress the adrenaline and be feeling the hypo now. A little more

might take you out the other side of hypo into feeling better.

We just need to hope that your Ferritin will support the amount of T3

you need to be on

[Guest guest]

Well I defitinely didn't become hyper during the night. I slept well, and heavily, except from my usual peebreak at 7 am. This morning, I found it impossible to get up from bed. I was so sleepy I could've slept all day long, at least that was what it felt like. My intelligence (hehe), however, forced me to get up and start doing the breakfast: Raindeer meat with a gluten-free sauce (not too much as it's carbs), a few spoons of brown rice, fresh parsillay, 3 leaves of light greeen salad, 4 micro tomatoes, some sea salt and a glass of sea salted water to that. As a dessert, I topped things off with 10 mg HC and 5 mcg T3. Doesn't sound bad now does it? :-) That's what I call a brakfast!The Ferritin bit is RISKY. And I don't like it a bit. What happens if my Ferritin is too low to handle the T3? What signs should I look out for and MORE

IMPORTANTLY: What do I do if my Ferritin is too low and I am hypo and now taking enough T3, but the T3 is too much for my Ferritin???

>What's going on - Is this me being VERY hypo for some reason? Anyone have some ideas? I am scared and feel I need more T3.

See how it goes from the increase then. You are getting to the sort of

dose level where an increase of 5 is a very small percentage of your

dose and hence might benefit from going up 10 at a time.

If you are feeling tired you may have taken the dose high enough to

suppress the adrenaline and be feeling the hypo now. A little more

might take you out the other side of hypo into feeling better.

We just need to hope that your Ferritin will support the amount of T3

you need to be on

[Guest guest]

>

>Nick, if my pulse is NOT very low, and my temp is NOT very low, can I possibly

be very hypo then?

You are a major producer of adrenaline, that is " filling in the gaps "

and covering up the lack of T3.

The clue to this is a dropping pulse when you raise T3. You need to

take the T3 through the point where it drops the pulse by clearing the

adrenaline and up out the other side to where it raises pulse again,

then you might clear the brain fog and be able to think clearly.

Nick

[Guest guest]

>I will do a new rT3 soon.

Why?? it's dropping, it must do, T4 has gone down. The receptors lag

behind the serum though, you just need to hang in there

Nick

[Guest guest]

>I was 8 days on 50 mcg before I went up to 55 last night. Today I wanna try 60

mcg.

Generally with 5mcg raises you will need to raise every 3 days to stay

un-hypo now you are on a reasonable amount..

With 10 mcg raises then every 5 to 7 days.

Nick

[Guest guest]

Hope so!!Does anyone happen to know why I have THE worst feeling in my head now? When I woke up it wasnt so bad. After HC and T3 morning doses, it became AMAZINGLY bad.. It's the feeling that my head is.. Infected! Or.. Like it's expanding.. It's painful, and makes me feel nautious! It's horrible! Don't know what to do with it! Too much HC? Too little HC? Too much/little sea salt? What can this be?

>Soon I'kk be taking a 5 mcg dose every 30 minutes! LOL

You'll be able to take it in bigger chunks by then, 10 at a time I'm

sure

[Guest guest]

>Does anyone happen to know why I have THE worst feeling in my head now?

Afraid not, my Psychic powers have failed me.!

Tonsils?

Sinus Infection?

Dehydrated?

Electrolytes?

Maybe you need to take some asprin??

Nick

[Guest guest]

>Well thats why I dont like pain killers. they remove a symptom of something

that can be very dangerous.

Aspirin is NOT strong enough to mask a serious problem, esppecially at

normal doses and taken occasionally, it just helps you feel better

>also, worried about aspirin because my stomach is so off whack...

>electrolytes. maybe. but I never change my diet! so why should they be bad?

Again occasional asprin is not an issue, it's maximum dose day after

day that causes problems.

>

>I wish I had psychic powers!

>

>Just had a hard skip of heartbeat 50 minutes after my second 5 mcg T3 dose.

what do you make of that?

Nothing at all, perfectly normal to miss the occasional one. Google

" missed heartbeat " with the inverted commas and have a read.

Nick