Re: Latest labs, again..

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FT3: 7.0 - Good, right? It was 5.7 about 1 week ago!This si a bit high, how long after last T3 dose was

this taken?

Ferritin: 65 - Well at least it's not going down! With

T3 as high as it si this is too low creatign further adrenal stress

S-Iron: 25 (Range: 5 - 35) I am within the range and can increase iron

intake.Yes still low

Transferrin: 2.7 (2.0 - 5.0) Still LOW

Transferrin saturation: 39% (Range goes up to 15 - 57%) STill LOW

Sodium: 143 - It was 139 a few weeks ago. Can it just change like that

for no reason!? Yes it can btu this is a better

level

Potassium: 4.1 This si also fine

Your biggest issue so STILL low iron and now you have pushed T3 too

high for your ferritin levels. Lower T3 a bit, maybe 12.5mcg and hold

it whiel you raise ferritin more.

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The reason why I went up with T3 was because I was told I had been going too slow!!!And I was feeling more and more sleepy and lazy. Getting skipped heartbeats. I don't know if you saw my TSH, but here are the two remaining results I didn't post the first time:FT4 4.4TSH 0.09 (!)Does that change anything? I would guess with no TSH left, my own FT3 would go down now. Am I right? Can I even survive just on 65 mcg T3?I drew blood no less than 8 hours after taking my 10 mcg T3 bedtime dose. Around 8 or 8 1/2 hours after. So even if I have a perfect FT3, my Ferritin won't make me use that FT3 right? I guess the TSH will make your opinion change a bit, or?Val, is it ok that I increase to 150 mg iron at bedtime? Or is it too much for the body to handle that dose all at once you think?And what do you mean

by Trans and Trans sat. being too low? How can they come up?Thanks for writing with a red font. Very easy for me to get everything then. BUT I am worried about lowering T3 now that I don't have any TSH!Day 2 of my horrible throat/tonsil/sinus infection. Stuck nose, stuck ears, stuck everything. And a lot of skipped heartbeats all the time. Wondering why I have these. My logic tells me I get skipped heartbeats because I need more HC to handle my T3 doses. Am I right? Or do I just need more T3 - in reality? (Not saying I want to increase my T3 now, but..)Thank Y O U !!!

 

FT3: 7.0 - Good, right? It was 5.7 about 1 week ago!This si a bit high, how long after last T3 dose was

this taken?

Ferritin: 65 - Well at least it's not going down! With

T3 as high as it si this is too low creatign further adrenal stress

S-Iron: 25 (Range: 5 - 35) I am within the range and can increase iron

intake.Yes still low

Transferrin: 2.7 (2.0 - 5.0)  Still LOW

Transferrin saturation: 39% (Range goes up to 15 - 57%) STill LOW

Sodium: 143 - It was 139 a few weeks ago. Can it just change like that

for no reason!? Yes it can btu this is a better

level

Potassium: 4.1 This si also fine

Your biggest issue so STILL low iron and now you have pushed T3 too

high for your ferritin levels. Lower T3 a bit, maybe 12.5mcg and hold

it whiel you raise ferritin more.

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What is the range for that FT4?

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My new labs from 4th of March:FT3 7.0 (Range: 3.5 - 7.0)FT4 4.4 (Range: 9 - 21)TSH 0.09 (Range: 0.2 - 4.5)With a TSH of 0.09, I don't think that T4 of 4.4 will last very long in my system.Here are my labs from the 26th of February:FT3 5.7FT4 4.9TSH 0.42I had been on 65 mcg T3 for 2 days before the blood sample made on the 4th of March.I had been on 60 mcg T3 for 4 days prior to increasing to 65 mcg T3 on the 2nd of March.I had been on 50 mcg T3 for 8 days prior to the blood sample made on the 26th of Feb.If my pulse is high, do I just increase HC (due to my infection) or do I lower T3? Like I said, I am not all too happy about lowering T3 now with a zero TSH and a pretty low FT4 which won't last for

long.

 

What is the range for that FT4?

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OK your ranges are very differnt than the ones I am used to,. Your FT3

is not over range but it IS at the top of it;s range so that is GOOD for

now till you get your ferritin UP. I would NOT raise it further until

ferritin is at least 80. And that 80 is wiht it being done correctly

wiht 5 days off iorn. You probbly have at least a month to go before you

shoudl raise T3 agian. What I was lokign for wiht your T4 to see if it

was being supressed properly which it si . You do nto NEED T4. You want

it supressed right now.

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Well, ranges are either in pmol or nmol, I suppose. But even between the different laboratories over here, they have slightly different numbers for ranges, even if they use the same measurement, let's say picamole/PMOL.I am using two labs, one with FT3 of 3.5 - 7.8 and one with FT3 of 3.5 - 7.0. I am not sure what it means that one has a higher range than the other, but I would suppose it's not about the people they've measured, but more a mix of that plus the way they do the analyze itself. So, an FT3 of 7.0 in one lab equals an FT3 of 7.8 in the other lab. Does that make sense? Or am I way off here with my logic?Ok, so I am fine for now. I have felt less (!) tickling in my heart lately. I have no idea why. I think I might feel tickling when I increase, but then it stabilizes. I do firmly believe that this tickling, since none have

described any heart symptom like I have w/ the tickling, happens because I have fauly electrical pathways/wiring on my heart. I had tachycardia from age 13-14 to 29, but then it stopped in early 2008. I have no idea why it would just stop. I haven't had any real tachycardia (I mean a firm, hard, steady, fast pulse of 250+ bpm, for 1-2 minutes like I had so many HUNDRED times in my life...) on T3-only thus far. I hope it won't happen, of course. But I do wonder why it happened. . . . . Who really knows, it could be an adrenal, Ferritin or even rT3 issue since I was 13-14 years old. Or it could just be the fact that I have that faulty wiring on my heart.What will happen now, IF I HAVE UNDERSTOOT THINGS CORRECTLY, is that my low T4, which I do not need, will go down to Zero in a matter of... What days? A week? Two weeks? - Because my TSH is near Zero (effectively Zero anyway). I will then need to take more T3, as I doubt 65 mcg is a

full supressive dose / functional dose for a man of my size, weight, height and age. I am a 31 year old male, 6'3" tall and 233 lbs at the moment (my normal weight is 190 lbs). I would guess I need more than 65 mcg T3 to stay alive.My question is: Approximately when will I be "FORCED" to take mroe T3? I do feel some tickling in my heart right now. Wondering if that means T3 is pooling somehow - I would need more HC and Iron in that case...ONE SCARY THOUGHT I HAVE: If I can't take T3 for some reason, or need to lower the dose, it can be dangerous as I don't have any T4-backup.As for testing Ferritin again: My GP said that I don't need to start taking iron supplements slowly after quitting it for the 5-day off test. I can just take 150 mg iron right away. Is this true, ? Is it safe? :-)

 

OK your ranges are very differnt than the ones I am used to,. Your FT3

is not over range but it IS at the top of it;s range so that is GOOD for

now till you get your ferritin UP. I would NOT raise it further until

ferritin is at least 80. And that 80 is wiht it being done correctly

wiht 5 days off iorn. You probbly have at least a month to go before you

shoudl raise T3 agian. What I was lokign for wiht your T4 to see if it

was being supressed properly which it si . You do nto NEED T4. You want  

it supressed right now.

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To compare our labs in the USA usually FT3 top of range is 4.2 or 420

depending on how thye measure it. By OUR ranges you would be veyr over

range, bu yours you are right where you should be . This means oyu have

PLANTY of T3 to survive on but oyu do not want it to go over range until

your Ferritin is higher.

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Yeah I get it. Top range is top range, regardless of what the range numbers look like. I am in the top range, 8 hours after taking 10 mcg of T3. Is that enough time to get a "clean" number? Oh, and how high you recon FT3 goes every morning when I take 10 mcg T3? And during the day when I take my 5's? I just don't want it to go up to like 16 again - But to get that high you probably need to have the pooling action going on, right? When I got that FT3 of 16 a little more than 2 years ago, I took 20 mcg T3 morning and 20 mcg T3 evening. I am not 100% sure I didn't take my T3 before I drew the blood, but I think I didn't take it... I also had highish numbers in the following weeks weeing off T3. BTW: Wasn't it waaaaaay too quick of the ENDO (endos - huh!!!) to remove my 40 mcg T3 in just 1 month back then? Most nuses I've talked to, like US friends of my mom,

said it's a HUGE no-no to do such a thing.PS! How should I stress dose HC today and in the following days? I took 10 mg HC extra yesterday, and 5 mcg extra so far today.Thanks!To compare our labs in the USA usually FT3 top of range is 4.2 or 420 

depending on how thye measure it. By OUR ranges you would be veyr over

range, bu yours you are right where you should be . This means oyu have

PLANTY of T3 to survive on but oyu do not want it to go over range until

your Ferritin is higher.

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What you're trying to do here is to keep the thyroid suppressed from making any T4, and also not add any T4 into your body, so that your body will then "burn off" the excess RT3. Your T4 levels will continue to drop because the body is converting them - even if it's converting them to RT3. This is what we want the body to do. There's really no way to know how fast the T4 will go down - it is different with each person.

In the meantime, while all of this is happening, you are continuing to take your dose of T3 on the T3-only therapy. This will satisfy your body's need for T3, so there's no need to worry about a crash because of the lack of T4.

In fact - think about it - any T4 in your body will converting to RT3 anyway. So, even if you did panic and take T4, it wouldn't help -- it would simply convert to more RT3. So having "backup" T4 as you mentioned will not help you in this case.

Another thing to realize -- lots of people never go back to T4. They live on T3 treatment the rest of their lives and feel great -- much better than when they were taking T4.

Val is saying that until you get your ferritin up, it isn't going to do you any good to increase your T3. In fact, you need to work on getting the ferritin up so the body will stop having conversion issues.

Don't panic. T3 is NOT dosed by body size and weight. It is dosed by what your body needs -- everyone is different. That's why some people do fine on a very low dose of meds and others need more. Just to give an example, I'm 5"4' and over 200 pounds (dang thyroid weight gain!). My T3-only treatment started at 20 mcg per day, and I felt TONS better than when I was taking T4/T3 meds. I felt better when it was up at 60 mcg after several slow increases, and I feel better now with it at around 80 mcg. I expect to have to drop my dose when I start adding in HC next week. It's not about your size -- it's about what the body needs.

Remember, TSH is simply the measurement of how much the pituitary gland is telling the thyroid to make T4, which is something your body doesn't need and can't use correctly right now. You work on getting the ferritin up so that the body can convert correctly, and in the meantime you continue your T3-only treatment so that you are supplying the body with the hormone it needs. As your ferritin levels increase, you'll feel even better, and you'll also have more energy because low ferritin has fatigue as a symptom.

Regarding your question about starting back on iron supplements, YES, you can start back on them right away without having to wean yourself back onto them. Iron is a supplement, not a drug, and when you take the supplements you are simply giving your body the extra iron it needs to build up your levels and make you better. You didn't have to wean yourself onto iron when you first started, right? After five days of being off of the iron, your body is probably very eager to get back on support. Plus, it will help you get your ferritin up so you can continue the positive progress of clearing your conversion issues.

So, Val is saying that your FT3 is at a good level for now and that you need to remain at your current dose of T3 while you continue building up your ferritin levels. Aim for a ferritin of 80 before you consider increasing your T3 - about a month. I'd say run new labs in a month and see if you've gotten the ferritin high enough. This sounds easy enough to do, right?

, you and I have been going through this clearing process at about the same time. In kindness I have to say that you often don't do what Nick or Val advise you to do, and you always suffer negative consequences. These guys know what they're talking about and they can help you if you choose to listen and do what they say. You may be delaying your own recovery by continuing to go in your own direction and not heeding their advice.

Feel better.

OK your ranges are very differnt than the ones I am used to,. Your FT3 is not over range but it IS at the top of it;s range so that is GOOD for now till you get your ferritin UP. I would NOT raise it further until ferritin is at least 80. And that 80 is wiht it being done correctly wiht 5 days off iorn. You probbly have at least a month to go before you shoudl raise T3 agian. What I was lokign for wiht your T4 to see if it was being supressed properly which it si . You do nto NEED T4. You want it supressed right now.

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What you're trying to do here is to keep the thyroid suppressed from making any T4, and also not add any T4 into your body, so that your body will then "burn off" the excess RT3. Your T4 levels will continue to drop because the body is converting them - even if it's converting them to RT3. This is what we want the body to do. There's really no way to know how fast the T4 will go down - it is different with each person.

In the meantime, while all of this is happening, you are continuing to take your dose of T3 on the T3-only therapy. This will satisfy your body's need for T3, so there's no need to worry about a crash because of the lack of T4.

In fact - think about it - any T4 in your body will converting to RT3 anyway. So, even if you did panic and take T4, it wouldn't help -- it would simply convert to more RT3. So having "backup" T4 as you mentioned will not help you in this case.

Another thing to realize -- lots of people never go back to T4. They live on T3 treatment the rest of their lives and feel great -- much better than when they were taking T4.

Val is saying that until you get your ferritin up, it isn't going to do you any good to increase your T3. In fact, you need to work on getting the ferritin up so the body will stop having conversion issues.

Don't panic. T3 is NOT dosed by body size and weight. It is dosed by what your body needs -- everyone is different. That's why some people do fine on a very low dose of meds and others need more. Just to give an example, I'm 5"4' and over 200 pounds (dang thyroid weight gain!). My T3-only treatment started at 20 mcg per day, and I felt TONS better than when I was taking T4/T3 meds. I felt better when it was up at 60 mcg after several slow increases, and I feel better now with it at around 80 mcg. I expect to have to drop my dose when I start adding in HC next week. It's not about your size -- it's about what the body needs.

Remember, TSH is simply the measurement of how much the pituitary gland is telling the thyroid to make T4, which is something your body doesn't need and can't use correctly right now. You work on getting the ferritin up so that the body can convert correctly, and in the meantime you continue your T3-only treatment so that you are supplying the body with the hormone it needs. As your ferritin levels increase, you'll feel even better, and you'll also have more energy because low ferritin has fatigue as a symptom.

Regarding your question about starting back on iron supplements, YES, you can start back on them right away without having to wean yourself back onto them. Iron is a supplement, not a drug, and when you take the supplements you are simply giving your body the extra iron it needs to build up your levels and make you better. You didn't have to wean yourself onto iron when you first started, right? After five days of being off of the iron, your body is probably very eager to get back on support. Plus, it will help you get your ferritin up so you can continue the positive progress of clearing your conversion issues.

So, Val is saying that your FT3 is at a good level for now and that you need to remain at your current dose of T3 while you continue building up your ferritin levels. Aim for a ferritin of 80 before you consider increasing your T3 - about a month. I'd say run new labs in a month and see if you've gotten the ferritin high enough. This sounds easy enough to do, right?

, you and I have been going through this clearing process at about the same time. In kindness I have to say that you often don't do what Nick or Val advise you to do, and you always suffer negative consequences. These guys know what they're talking about and they can help you if you choose to listen and do what they say. You may be delaying your own recovery by continuing to go in your own direction and not heeding their advice.

Feel better.

OK your ranges are very differnt than the ones I am used to,. Your FT3 is not over range but it IS at the top of it;s range so that is GOOD for now till you get your ferritin UP. I would NOT raise it further until ferritin is at least 80. And that 80 is wiht it being done correctly wiht 5 days off iorn. You probbly have at least a month to go before you shoudl raise T3 agian. What I was lokign for wiht your T4 to see if it was being supressed properly which it si . You do nto NEED T4. You want it supressed right now.

[Guest guest]

What you're trying to do here is to keep the thyroid suppressed from making any T4, and also not add any T4 into your body, so that your body will then "burn off" the excess RT3. Your T4 levels will continue to drop because the body is converting them - even if it's converting them to RT3. This is what we want the body to do. There's really no way to know how fast the T4 will go down - it is different with each person.

In the meantime, while all of this is happening, you are continuing to take your dose of T3 on the T3-only therapy. This will satisfy your body's need for T3, so there's no need to worry about a crash because of the lack of T4.

In fact - think about it - any T4 in your body will converting to RT3 anyway. So, even if you did panic and take T4, it wouldn't help -- it would simply convert to more RT3. So having "backup" T4 as you mentioned will not help you in this case.

Another thing to realize -- lots of people never go back to T4. They live on T3 treatment the rest of their lives and feel great -- much better than when they were taking T4.

Val is saying that until you get your ferritin up, it isn't going to do you any good to increase your T3. In fact, you need to work on getting the ferritin up so the body will stop having conversion issues.

Don't panic. T3 is NOT dosed by body size and weight. It is dosed by what your body needs -- everyone is different. That's why some people do fine on a very low dose of meds and others need more. Just to give an example, I'm 5"4' and over 200 pounds (dang thyroid weight gain!). My T3-only treatment started at 20 mcg per day, and I felt TONS better than when I was taking T4/T3 meds. I felt better when it was up at 60 mcg after several slow increases, and I feel better now with it at around 80 mcg. I expect to have to drop my dose when I start adding in HC next week. It's not about your size -- it's about what the body needs.

Remember, TSH is simply the measurement of how much the pituitary gland is telling the thyroid to make T4, which is something your body doesn't need and can't use correctly right now. You work on getting the ferritin up so that the body can convert correctly, and in the meantime you continue your T3-only treatment so that you are supplying the body with the hormone it needs. As your ferritin levels increase, you'll feel even better, and you'll also have more energy because low ferritin has fatigue as a symptom.

Regarding your question about starting back on iron supplements, YES, you can start back on them right away without having to wean yourself back onto them. Iron is a supplement, not a drug, and when you take the supplements you are simply giving your body the extra iron it needs to build up your levels and make you better. You didn't have to wean yourself onto iron when you first started, right? After five days of being off of the iron, your body is probably very eager to get back on support. Plus, it will help you get your ferritin up so you can continue the positive progress of clearing your conversion issues.

So, Val is saying that your FT3 is at a good level for now and that you need to remain at your current dose of T3 while you continue building up your ferritin levels. Aim for a ferritin of 80 before you consider increasing your T3 - about a month. I'd say run new labs in a month and see if you've gotten the ferritin high enough. This sounds easy enough to do, right?

, you and I have been going through this clearing process at about the same time. In kindness I have to say that you often don't do what Nick or Val advise you to do, and you always suffer negative consequences. These guys know what they're talking about and they can help you if you choose to listen and do what they say. You may be delaying your own recovery by continuing to go in your own direction and not heeding their advice.

Feel better.

OK your ranges are very differnt than the ones I am used to,. Your FT3 is not over range but it IS at the top of it;s range so that is GOOD for now till you get your ferritin UP. I would NOT raise it further until ferritin is at least 80. And that 80 is wiht it being done correctly wiht 5 days off iorn. You probbly have at least a month to go before you shoudl raise T3 agian. What I was lokign for wiht your T4 to see if it was being supressed properly which it si . You do nto NEED T4. You want it supressed right now.

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Bottom line is this....sleepiness and skipped heartbeats can be caused from LOW ferritin. So focus on increasing the iron. Val (and others) has been telling you for MONTHS to increase your ferritin, but instead you increase your T3 and then wonder why you feel so lousy all the time. Of course you feel lousy, because you are NOT listening to Val and raising your iron, like your body is screaming out for your to do. Increase your iron now and when that gets in range you will be able to tolerate the T3 increases, and start feeling better. You always say you value Val's expertise, but yet when you don't increase your iron, to me that is like slapping Val in the face. She works hard on here to help everyone, but yet you ask the same questions all the time. I know you are nervous and it's frustrating, but look at it from Val and Nick's point...you are taking up their time with the same questions, and that takes time away from others that they could be helping or time they could be spending with their families.

Sorry to be so direct and to the point, but you are the one keeping yourself from improving. You have all the tools in front of you that Val and Nick have helped to provide, yet you won't use them because you let fear get the best of you. Do what Val said...lower your T3 a little. You have pushed it up WAY too fast! And instead focus on your iron levels for awhile. You are getting there with them. Increase to the 150-200 a day and I bet in another month or so, you will be at the level you need to start increasing your T3 and get better.

Terri

From: Gibcast

Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 5:39 AM

To: RT3_T3

Subject: Re: Latest labs, again..

The reason why I went up with T3 was because I was told I had been going too slow!!!And I was feeling more and more sleepy and lazy. Getting skipped heartbeats. I don't know if you saw my TSH, but here are the two remaining results I didn't post the first time:FT4 4.4TSH 0.09 (!)

Does that change anything? I would guess with no TSH left, my own FT3 would go down now. Am I right? Can I even survive just on 65 mcg T3?

I drew blood no less than 8 hours after taking my 10 mcg T3 bedtime dose. Around 8 or 8 1/2 hours after. So even if I have a perfect FT3, my Ferritin won't make me use that FT3 right? I guess the TSH will make your opinion change a bit, or?

Val, is it ok that I increase to 150 mg iron at bedtime? Or is it too much for the body to handle that dose all at once you think?And what do you mean by Trans and Trans sat. being too low? How can they come up?Thanks for writing with a red font. Very easy for me to get everything then. BUT I am worried about lowering T3 now that I don't have any TSH!

Day 2 of my horrible throat/tonsil/sinus infection. Stuck nose, stuck ears, stuck everything. And a lot of skipped heartbeats all the time. Wondering why I have these. My logic tells me I get skipped heartbeats because I need more HC to handle my T3 doses. Am I right? Or do I just need more T3 - in reality? (Not saying I want to increase my T3 now, but..)

Thank Y O U !!!

FT3: 7.0 - Good, right? It was 5.7 about 1 week ago!This si a bit high, how long after last T3 dose was this taken?Ferritin: 65 - Well at least it's not going down! With T3 as high as it si this is too low creatign further adrenal stressS-Iron: 25 (Range: 5 - 35) I am within the range and can increase iron intake.Yes still lowTransferrin: 2.7 (2.0 - 5.0) Still LOWTransferrin saturation: 39% (Range goes up to 15 - 57%) STill LOWSodium: 143 - It was 139 a few weeks ago. Can it just change like that for no reason!? Yes it can btu this is a better levelPotassium: 4.1 This si also fineYour biggest issue so STILL low iron and now you have pushed T3 too high for your ferritin levels. Lower T3 a bit, maybe 12.5mcg and hold it whiel you raise ferritin more.

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,

Bottom line is this....sleepiness and skipped heartbeats can be caused from LOW ferritin. So focus on increasing the iron. Val (and others) has been telling you for MONTHS to increase your ferritin, but instead you increase your T3 and then wonder why you feel so lousy all the time. Of course you feel lousy, because you are NOT listening to Val and raising your iron, like your body is screaming out for your to do. Increase your iron now and when that gets in range you will be able to tolerate the T3 increases, and start feeling better. You always say you value Val's expertise, but yet when you don't increase your iron, to me that is like slapping Val in the face. She works hard on here to help everyone, but yet you ask the same questions all the time. I know you are nervous and it's frustrating, but look at it from Val and Nick's point...you are taking up their time with the same questions, and that takes time away from others that they could be helping or time they could be spending with their families.

Sorry to be so direct and to the point, but you are the one keeping yourself from improving. You have all the tools in front of you that Val and Nick have helped to provide, yet you won't use them because you let fear get the best of you. Do what Val said...lower your T3 a little. You have pushed it up WAY too fast! And instead focus on your iron levels for awhile. You are getting there with them. Increase to the 150-200 a day and I bet in another month or so, you will be at the level you need to start increasing your T3 and get better.

Terri

From: Gibcast

Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 5:39 AM

To: RT3_T3

Subject: Re: Latest labs, again..

The reason why I went up with T3 was because I was told I had been going too slow!!!And I was feeling more and more sleepy and lazy. Getting skipped heartbeats. I don't know if you saw my TSH, but here are the two remaining results I didn't post the first time:FT4 4.4TSH 0.09 (!)

Does that change anything? I would guess with no TSH left, my own FT3 would go down now. Am I right? Can I even survive just on 65 mcg T3?

I drew blood no less than 8 hours after taking my 10 mcg T3 bedtime dose. Around 8 or 8 1/2 hours after. So even if I have a perfect FT3, my Ferritin won't make me use that FT3 right? I guess the TSH will make your opinion change a bit, or?

Val, is it ok that I increase to 150 mg iron at bedtime? Or is it too much for the body to handle that dose all at once you think?And what do you mean by Trans and Trans sat. being too low? How can they come up?Thanks for writing with a red font. Very easy for me to get everything then. BUT I am worried about lowering T3 now that I don't have any TSH!

Day 2 of my horrible throat/tonsil/sinus infection. Stuck nose, stuck ears, stuck everything. And a lot of skipped heartbeats all the time. Wondering why I have these. My logic tells me I get skipped heartbeats because I need more HC to handle my T3 doses. Am I right? Or do I just need more T3 - in reality? (Not saying I want to increase my T3 now, but..)

Thank Y O U !!!

FT3: 7.0 - Good, right? It was 5.7 about 1 week ago!This si a bit high, how long after last T3 dose was this taken?Ferritin: 65 - Well at least it's not going down! With T3 as high as it si this is too low creatign further adrenal stressS-Iron: 25 (Range: 5 - 35) I am within the range and can increase iron intake.Yes still lowTransferrin: 2.7 (2.0 - 5.0) Still LOWTransferrin saturation: 39% (Range goes up to 15 - 57%) STill LOWSodium: 143 - It was 139 a few weeks ago. Can it just change like that for no reason!? Yes it can btu this is a better levelPotassium: 4.1 This si also fineYour biggest issue so STILL low iron and now you have pushed T3 too high for your ferritin levels. Lower T3 a bit, maybe 12.5mcg and hold it whiel you raise ferritin more.

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Bottom line is this....sleepiness and skipped heartbeats can be caused from LOW ferritin. So focus on increasing the iron. Val (and others) has been telling you for MONTHS to increase your ferritin, but instead you increase your T3 and then wonder why you feel so lousy all the time. Of course you feel lousy, because you are NOT listening to Val and raising your iron, like your body is screaming out for your to do. Increase your iron now and when that gets in range you will be able to tolerate the T3 increases, and start feeling better. You always say you value Val's expertise, but yet when you don't increase your iron, to me that is like slapping Val in the face. She works hard on here to help everyone, but yet you ask the same questions all the time. I know you are nervous and it's frustrating, but look at it from Val and Nick's point...you are taking up their time with the same questions, and that takes time away from others that they could be helping or time they could be spending with their families.

Sorry to be so direct and to the point, but you are the one keeping yourself from improving. You have all the tools in front of you that Val and Nick have helped to provide, yet you won't use them because you let fear get the best of you. Do what Val said...lower your T3 a little. You have pushed it up WAY too fast! And instead focus on your iron levels for awhile. You are getting there with them. Increase to the 150-200 a day and I bet in another month or so, you will be at the level you need to start increasing your T3 and get better.

Terri

From: Gibcast

Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 5:39 AM

To: RT3_T3

Subject: Re: Latest labs, again..

The reason why I went up with T3 was because I was told I had been going too slow!!!And I was feeling more and more sleepy and lazy. Getting skipped heartbeats. I don't know if you saw my TSH, but here are the two remaining results I didn't post the first time:FT4 4.4TSH 0.09 (!)

Does that change anything? I would guess with no TSH left, my own FT3 would go down now. Am I right? Can I even survive just on 65 mcg T3?

I drew blood no less than 8 hours after taking my 10 mcg T3 bedtime dose. Around 8 or 8 1/2 hours after. So even if I have a perfect FT3, my Ferritin won't make me use that FT3 right? I guess the TSH will make your opinion change a bit, or?

Val, is it ok that I increase to 150 mg iron at bedtime? Or is it too much for the body to handle that dose all at once you think?And what do you mean by Trans and Trans sat. being too low? How can they come up?Thanks for writing with a red font. Very easy for me to get everything then. BUT I am worried about lowering T3 now that I don't have any TSH!

Day 2 of my horrible throat/tonsil/sinus infection. Stuck nose, stuck ears, stuck everything. And a lot of skipped heartbeats all the time. Wondering why I have these. My logic tells me I get skipped heartbeats because I need more HC to handle my T3 doses. Am I right? Or do I just need more T3 - in reality? (Not saying I want to increase my T3 now, but..)

Thank Y O U !!!

FT3: 7.0 - Good, right? It was 5.7 about 1 week ago!This si a bit high, how long after last T3 dose was this taken?Ferritin: 65 - Well at least it's not going down! With T3 as high as it si this is too low creatign further adrenal stressS-Iron: 25 (Range: 5 - 35) I am within the range and can increase iron intake.Yes still lowTransferrin: 2.7 (2.0 - 5.0) Still LOWTransferrin saturation: 39% (Range goes up to 15 - 57%) STill LOWSodium: 143 - It was 139 a few weeks ago. Can it just change like that for no reason!? Yes it can btu this is a better levelPotassium: 4.1 This si also fineYour biggest issue so STILL low iron and now you have pushed T3 too high for your ferritin levels. Lower T3 a bit, maybe 12.5mcg and hold it whiel you raise ferritin more.

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Hey there Terri, and thanks for your feedback! I appreciate it!You missed one thing - I increased my T3 like Nick and Val said, ___to be able to get the Ferritin UP___ ! That was the whole point of it! T3 and Ferritin go hand in hand, and now I can't raise T3 any more - Not until I get Ferritin up til 80+, so it looks like we have a deal.I feel quite bad at the moment, but I believe that's mostly due to the infection I just got from my tonsils/throat. I will do laser sugery on my tonsils later this month. We'll see how energetic I'll be a few weeks after that! I have high hopes for it!The only face I'll be slapping is my own, thank you very much! ;-) I'm an artist, I'm a perfectionist, I like to do everything carefully, that's who I am. Still I'm taking chances with this treatment. But these chances are rather me being too careful! So,

hehe.. Yah! There ya go! But now it looks like things are on track. Val told me to not increase nor lower my T3 - Keep it there - And get Ferritin up.My final question would be (to any of you who knows what you're talking about) - Can I take more than 100 mg iron at one time when I go to bed, or will it be too much for the body at once? I just like to take all my iron all together in one dose, that's all.Thanks again!

 

FT3: 7.0 - Good, right? It was 5.7 about 1 week ago!This si a bit high, how long after last T3 dose was this taken?Ferritin: 65 - Well at least it's not going down! With T3 as high as it si this is too low creatign further adrenal stressS-Iron: 25 (Range: 5 - 35) I am within the range and can increase iron intake.Yes still lowTransferrin: 2.7 (2.0 - 5.0)  Still LOWTransferrin saturation: 39% (Range goes up to 15 - 57%) STill LOWSodium: 143 - It was 139 a few weeks ago. Can it just change like that for no reason!? Yes it can btu this is a better levelPotassium: 4.1 This si also fineYour biggest issue so STILL low iron and now you have pushed T3 too high for your ferritin levels. Lower T3 a bit, maybe 12.5mcg and hold it whiel you raise ferritin more.

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Regarding your iron dosing question...the answer has not changed since the last

time Val answered it...twice a day is better.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/33454

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> FT3: 7.0 - Good, right? It was 5.7 about 1 week ago!This si a bit high,

how long after last T3 dose was this

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> Ferritin: 65 - Well at least it's not going down! With T3 as high as it si

this is too low creatign further

> adrenal stress

> S-Iron: 25 (Range: 5 - 35) I am within the range

> and can increase iron intake.Yes still

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> Transferrin: 2.7 (2.0 - 5.0) Still

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> Transferrin saturation: 39% (Range goes up to 15 - 57%)

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> Sodium: 143 - It was 139 a few

> weeks ago. Can it just change like that for no reason!? Yes it can btu

this is a better level

> Potassium:

> 4.1 This si also fine

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> STILL low iron and now you have pushed T3 too high for your ferritin

> levels. Lower T3 a bit, maybe 12.5mcg and hold it whiel you raise

ferritin

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I hate having a slow brain - Thanks! Twice a day is better. OK!!! So 100 mg is the max one can/should take in one dose?*feels dumb* :pSubject: Re: Latest labs, again..To: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 6:28 PM

 

Regarding your iron dosing question...the answer has not changed since the last time Val answered it...twice a day is better. http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/message/ 33454

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> adrenal stress

> S-Iron: 25 (Range: 5 - 35) I am within the range

> and can increase iron intake.Yes still

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> Transferrin: 2.7 (2.0 - 5.0) Still

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> Transferrin saturation: 39% (Range goes up to 15 - 57%)

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> STILL low iron and now you have pushed T3 too high for your ferritin

> levels. Lower T3 a bit, maybe 12.5mcg and hold it whiel you raise ferritin

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Yes, for best iron absorption don't take all your iron at once, divide it into

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