Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Hi there, I'm not sure it's just a matter of generics being 20% less potent. Many people on this list have reported that they saw no effects of the AP until they switched to the brand version of Minocin. Some people did okay on certain generic brands. Herald documented these on his site. Question to the group: Have people taking other antibiotics noticed a difference like that between generic and brand? Take care, Ute At 09:54 AM 2/9/2008, you wrote: >If the particular generic doesn't work because it's 20% less, then >why not just up the dosage to compensate for that? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 I always notice a difference between brand and generic. My uncle is on heart medicine and I do his meds. When he changed insurance programs and had to have generics he had a stroke within 2 weeks and then the put him on 2 same generic heart meds. I don't like generics at all. cooky _____ From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf Of Ute Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:42 PM rheumatic Subject: Re: rheumatic $4 dollar program Hi there, I'm not sure it's just a matter of generics being 20% less potent. Many people on this list have reported that they saw no effects of the AP until they switched to the brand version of Minocin. Some people did okay on certain generic brands. Herald documented these on his site. Question to the group: Have people taking other antibiotics noticed a difference like that between generic and brand? Take care, Ute At 09:54 AM 2/9/2008, you wrote: >If the particular generic doesn't work because it's 20% less, then >why not just up the dosage to compensate for that? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Its not always that the dosage is less. Sometimes it is packed differently an thus absorbed different, sometimes it's the quality of fillers an packaging or the capsule and they do not get absorbed evenly if at all. There are other things as well that make a generic a generic. You never know. cooky Subject: rheumatic $4 dollar program I recognize a lot of these antibiotics from the various protocols. Has anyone tried them? If the particular generic doesn't work because it's 20% less, then why not just up the dosage to compensate for that? ,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Hi, Yes, I got only a slight benefit from generic minocycline, then felt much better shortly after starting Minocin. The pain in my neck went away altogether! On Feb 9, 2008, at 1:41 PM, Ute wrote: > Hi there, > I'm not sure it's just a matter of generics being 20% less potent. > Many > people on this list have reported that they saw no effects of the > AP until > they switched to the brand version of Minocin. Some people did okay on > certain generic brands. Herald documented these on his site. > > Question to the group: > Have people taking other antibiotics noticed a difference like that > between > generic and brand? > > Take care, > Ute > > At 09:54 AM 2/9/2008, you wrote: > > >If the particular generic doesn't work because it's 20% less, then > >why not just up the dosage to compensate for that? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Harold's list is less than useful. Certain people love a certain generic, others hate the same one and say it's useless, the only one that didn't have a detractor turns out to be made by the same company as 2 other generic brands that did have detractors. I expanded his list to the Internet and found not a single one of the generics listed on his list, doesn't have it's follows and it's haters. All of the worked for some people, and not for others. So if these two say the generic works fine, and those two say the generic is a fraud... sounds like personal chemistry to me. Or perhaps the two that made it work did something slightly different than the two who didn't. Either way it shows that the generics can be made to work just fine and produce the same excellent results, if one figures out the right way of working with that generic. For those who didn't have success, did you try anything at all. 1. Increasing the dose 2. breaking or powdering the pill 3. I don't know, whatever else can be done. Were you strict about no sugar or milk products, did you avoid calcium, iron, magnesium...etc.. For those who did have success with generics, what do you think might have been different about the way your protocol was carried out? Thanks (for $4 it's kind of worth trying assorted ways to circumvent the difficulty, and become one of those for whom the generic works.) Also, I read an article that says that there are 3 major distributors of medication. These distributors recently had a lot of counterfeit drugs seized from their warehouses... but not before significant amounts were shipped to CVS and another store ... AS BRAND DRUGS.. so insisting on a Brand name isn't always all that safe either ... sigh > > > >If the particular generic doesn't work because it's 20% less, then > >why not just up the dosage to compensate for that? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 On 2/9/08 3:08 PM, " wiccantwinpaths " <Shilnagig@...> wrote: > Harold's list is less than useful. Certain people love a certain > generic, others hate the same one and say it's useless, the only one > that didn't have a detractor turns out to be made by the same company > as 2 other generic brands that did have detractors. I expanded his > list to the Internet and found not a single one of the generics > listed on his list, doesn't have it's follows and it's haters. The moral of the story is, you have to try for yourself and see what works for *you.* Harald has gone to a lot of trouble to accumulate and maintain that page over several years, it certainly isn't surprising different folks have different experiences to report. That doesn't make it " less than useful. " The page is not a scientific study. Even if it were a scientific study, different folks would react differently to the same drug, as would different infectious organisms, or different disease entities... That is whey there are so many drugs available in a given class to begin with. Some folks may well have started the protocal with an incorrect diagnosis... The list of possibilities is endless. It is likely that a lot of the differences in results amount to individual allergies and sensitivities, varied specific disease entities etc. Besides this group, I have read in some online dermatologists' forums that many dermatologists find the brand name minocin to be more effective for acne... And about half the respondents on the same forum will say they see no difference. It's all anecdotal. You have to try it for yourself, with the mind that you will adjust your approach if the first thing you try doesn't work. That said, when the Lederle generic became unavailable, I was willing to try a generic and couldn't see any difference in how I reacted to the generic. That doesn't mean everyone would have the same result I had, just that that's what happened for me. If I had to start from the beginning today, I would probably buy the brand name from Canada. That has not always been an option as is is now. The list you sent has no generic equivalent of Minocin or minocyline, I would probably not try anything on that list first, for fairly obvious reasons... Someone with lupus, or a pediatric patient might reasonably try the generic erythromycin, though. If you are really strapped for cash, doxycyline or erythromicin would probably be worth a trial. Minocin continues to be the main first choice oral drug for this protocol, though, and the only one you are likely to get your insurance company to readily cover for inflammatory arthritis. -- Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Hi Ute,here is a little informationfor those who order from Canada.Our main brand is Stiefel(the old Lederly now) they make a powdered thatis absorbed into the system in 2 hours.They also make the pelleted that takes 4 hours.That is the only difference.I do just fine on the powdered which is a bit cheaper than the pelleted as it costs$ to make the pellets. Lynne G./SD Re: rheumatic $4 dollar program Hi there, I'm not sure it's just a matter of generics being 20% less potent. Many people on this list have reported that they saw no effects of the AP until they switched to the brand version of Minocin. Some people did okay on certain generic brands. Herald documented these on his site. Question to the group: Have people taking other antibiotics noticed a difference like that between generic and brand? Take care, Ute At 09:54 AM 2/9/2008, you wrote: >If the particular generic doesn't work because it's 20% less, then >why not just up the dosage to compensate for that? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Wow. I thought Harold's web page was very helpful. It tells what possibilities are available to me ... and if one thing doesn't work then I should try another. One thing I wonder about though is how long should I work with one type to know whether or not it works? I'm sure this will info will vary too. It's a bit depressing to spend time on one, waiting to know whether or not it will work. Amy wiccantwinpaths wrote: > > Harold's list is less than useful. Certain people love a certain > generic, others hate the same one and say it's useless, the only one > that didn't have a detractor turns out to be made by the same company > as 2 other generic brands that did have detractors. I expanded his > list to the Internet and found not a single one of the generics > listed on his list, doesn't have it's follows and it's haters. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 You also risk the chance of deformaties by waiting too long. cooky _____ From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:57 PM rheumatic Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: $4 dollar program Wow. I thought Harold's web page was very helpful. It tells what possibilities are available to me ... and if one thing doesn't work then I should try another. One thing I wonder about though is how long should I work with one type to know whether or not it works? I'm sure this will info will vary too. It's a bit depressing to spend time on one, waiting to know whether or not it will work. Amy wiccantwinpaths wrote: > > Harold's list is less than useful. Certain people love a certain > generic, others hate the same one and say it's useless, the only one > that didn't have a detractor turns out to be made by the same company > as 2 other generic brands that did have detractors. I expanded his > list to the Internet and found not a single one of the generics > listed on his list, doesn't have it's follows and it's haters. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Yes! The damaging activity will just keep going if we don't find a way to slow it down. I'm sure there is no 'right' answer for everyone, but I wish I could know if I should switch meds after 3 mos or wait for 6 mos. Can someone tell me again... is it the mycoplasma that invades cells without structure walls? I read this at more than one place, & now I can't find that information again. Thanks, Amy C Stonkey wrote: > > You also risk the chance of deformaties by waiting too long. > > cooky > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Oh, I found it. Mycoplasma IS said to not have any structural walls. Mycoplasmas are cell wall-less bacteria considered among the^ smallest and simplest prokaryotes known, http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/103/44/16478 Amy Amy wrote: > > > > Can someone tell me again... is it the mycoplasma that invades cells > without structure walls? I read this at more than one place, & now I > can't find that information again. > > Thanks, > Amy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 and Group, The problem is that there are different types of generic minocycline made by different manufacturers using different manufacturing processes. As a result, we cannot refer to " generic minocycline " as if were one product. Insteadt, there are many different products. It appears that about half of these work as well as brand name Minocin for RA, and half do not. The challenge for us is to find out which works. A druggist may ask, " Do you want brand name Minocin or the generic? " What he really means is, " Do you want brand name Minocin or the generic minocycline by Pharmaceuticals, which I happen to have in stock? " My web page www.tmgp.com/minocin.htm is an attempt to report actual findings from members of our group. My frustration is that so few people have been able to report results with generic minocycline by manufacturer. If you are currently taking a generic minocycline, please ask your druggist for the name of the manufacturer, and let me know the results. I will then add your input to my web page. Data from many people is needed for statistical significance. Sincerely, Harald At 11:22 AM 2/9/2008, >Hi, >Yes, I got only a slight benefit from generic minocycline, then felt >much better shortly after starting Minocin. The pain in my neck went >away altogether! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 > > If you are currently taking a generic minocycline, please ask your > druggist for the name of the manufacturer, and let me know the > results. I will then add your input to my web page. Data from many > people is needed for statistical significance. > > Sincerely, Harald I'll let you know what we get. In the mean time, found this on the Marshall Protocol website: Forms of minocycline Minocycline hydrochloride (HCL) is the generic name for an antibiotic in the tetracycline family. It is usually referred to as simply minocycline. It is fine to use the generic form, minocycline, which is also the cheapest. Minocycline is no longer covered by patent and is, therefore, also marketed under several trade names. It is fine to use any of these brand (trade) name products: -Minomycin -Minocin -Arestin -Akamin -Aknemin -Solodyn -Dynacin -Sebomin -Alti-Minocycline -Apo-Minocycline -Novo-minocycline -PMS-Minocycline Minocycline may be obtained in capsules or tablets. Tablets are more convenient to divide with a tablet splitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Thank you Harald! I take Minocin by Triax. Have been on it since January 2006 at 100mg twice daily until Sept. 2007. Went off for 6 weeks to prepare for the lower starting dose of Marshall Protocol which I started in october 2007 at 25mg q 48 hr. Tolerated each step up in dosage and the Benicar dosing just fine and am now back to the 100mg q 48 hr dosing and getting ready to enter phase 2. Thanks Dolores wiccantwinpaths <Shilnagig@...> wrote: > > If you are currently taking a generic minocycline, please ask your > druggist for the name of the manufacturer, and let me know the > results. I will then add your input to my web page. Data from many > people is needed for statistical significance. > > Sincerely, Harald I'll let you know what we get. In the mean time, found this on the Marshall Protocol website: Forms of minocycline Minocycline hydrochloride (HCL) is the generic name for an antibiotic in the tetracycline family. It is usually referred to as simply minocycline. It is fine to use the generic form, minocycline, which is also the cheapest. Minocycline is no longer covered by patent and is, therefore, also marketed under several trade names. It is fine to use any of these brand (trade) name products: -Minomycin -Minocin -Arestin -Akamin -Aknemin -Solodyn -Dynacin -Sebomin -Alti-Minocycline -Apo-Minocycline -Novo-minocycline -PMS-Minocycline Minocycline may be obtained in capsules or tablets. Tablets are more convenient to divide with a tablet splitter. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Harald, I am taking the Triax Minocin too, twice a day five days a week and once a day twice a week. I already wrote that it made an enormous difference compared to the generic. I also take azithromycin two evenings a week. On Feb 11, 2008, at 7:40 PM, mike rosner wrote: > Thank you Harald! I take Minocin by Triax. Have been on it since > January 2006 at 100mg twice daily until Sept. 2007. Went off for 6 > weeks to prepare for the lower starting dose of Marshall Protocol > which I started in october 2007 at 25mg q 48 hr. Tolerated each > step up in dosage and the Benicar dosing just fine and am now back > to the 100mg q 48 hr dosing and getting ready to enter phase 2. > Thanks Dolores > > wiccantwinpaths <Shilnagig@...> wrote: > > > > > If you are currently taking a generic minocycline, please ask your > > druggist for the name of the manufacturer, and let me know the > > results. I will then add your input to my web page. Data from many > > people is needed for statistical significance. > > > > Sincerely, Harald > > I'll let you know what we get. > In the mean time, found this on the Marshall Protocol website: > > Forms of minocycline > > Minocycline hydrochloride (HCL) is the generic name for an antibiotic > in the tetracycline family. It is usually referred to as simply > minocycline. > > It is fine to use the generic form, minocycline, which is also the > cheapest. > > Minocycline is no longer covered by patent and is, therefore, also > marketed under several trade names. It is fine to use any of these > brand (trade) name products: > > -Minomycin > -Minocin > -Arestin > -Akamin > -Aknemin > -Solodyn > -Dynacin > -Sebomin > -Alti-Minocycline > -Apo-Minocycline > -Novo-minocycline > -PMS-Minocycline > > Minocycline may be obtained in capsules or tablets. Tablets are more > convenient to divide with a tablet splitter. > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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