Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Sky, I have not had my thyroid checked. I assumed since I have a pretty high energy level and haven't ever tended towards being fat, I didn't have a problem with it. I also rarely sweat much even when working out. That's kind of weird. I think it is genetic, my mom didn't sweat either. I do have a high surface temperature though. I've had folks tell me they can feel the heat generating off my body when they stand near me. Although I mentioned I'd gained about 25 pounds over the past six months. I can account for this. I've been eating more regularly since having retired and stepping up my bodybuilding program. On a normal day, I eat three full meals and drink two protein drinks. This isn't to say that I couldn't lose some inches around the middle....ha, ha. Presently, I am 5'10 " and weigh 220. My biceps are 17.25 " , chest is 48 " neck is 17.5 " , quads are 26.5 " and my waist measures 36 " (not my pant size). Although I have a ways to go to be in contest condition, I don't look bad for a sixty-five year old man. One thing I don't do well is cardio. It is so boring. However, I need to work that in somehow into my routine. This should help lower my cholesterol....that and asking my wife to cutout buying cookies all the time. Next time I have my blood checked, I'll ask the doctor to also check my thyroid function. Thanks for the advice, Jay > > Just in relation to your cholesterol?  Have you ever had your thyroid checked? > > Sky > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...> > > Sent: Wed, 31 March, 2010 8:04:14 AM > Subject: Blood Test Results > >  > The last health concern is that I have gained about 25 pounds since starting TRT. A lot of this is muscle since I stepped up my workouts in both frequency and intensity. However, my cholesterol has increased with my LDL being @ 142, HDL @ 63. and total @ 230. This is high for me. I have been on Cholesterol meds for over 20 years. > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use > . > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 About doing Cardio I find listening to audiobooks is the best way to pass the time for me. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Blood Test Results > >  > The last health concern is that I have gained about 25 pounds since starting TRT. A lot of this is muscle since I stepped up my workouts in both frequency and intensity. However, my cholesterol has increased with my LDL being @ 142, HDL @ 63. and total @ 230. This is high for me. I have been on Cholesterol meds for over 20 years. > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use > . > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Hi Jay I noticed in your email to Joe that you said you did not sleep properly unless you took something. I would test your cortisol levels to see how your adrenals are holding up. You will not sleep properly if adrenals are out of whack. http://www.canaryclub.org/diurnal-cortisol-4x-zrt.html These are the basic tests you need for thyroid Tsh, Free T3 and free t4. Sky ________________________________ From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...> Sent: Wed, 31 March, 2010 11:03:12 AM Subject: Re: Blood Test Results  Sky, I have not had my thyroid checked. I assumed since I have a pretty high energy level and haven't ever tended towards being fat, I didn't have a problem with it. I also rarely sweat much even when working out. That's kind of weird. I think it is genetic, my mom didn't sweat either. I do have a high surface temperature though. I've had folks tell me they can feel the heat generating off my body when they stand near me. Although I mentioned I'd gained about 25 pounds over the past six months. I can account for this. I've been eating more regularly since having retired and stepping up my bodybuilding program. On a normal day, I eat three full meals and drink two protein drinks. This isn't to say that I couldn't lose some inches around the middle....ha, ha. Presently, I am 5'10 " and weigh 220. My biceps are 17.25 " , chest is 48 " neck is 17.5 " , quads are 26.5 " and my waist measures 36 " (not my pant size). Although I have a ways to go to be in contest condition, I don't look bad for a sixty-five year old man. One thing I don't do well is cardio. It is so boring. However, I need to work that in somehow into my routine. This should help lower my cholesterol. ...that and asking my wife to cutout buying cookies all the time. Next time I have my blood checked, I'll ask the doctor to also check my thyroid function. Thanks for the advice, Jay > > Just in relation to your cholesterol?  Have you ever had your thyroid checked? > > Sky > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@ ...> > > Sent: Wed, 31 March, 2010 8:04:14 AM > Subject: Blood Test Results > >  > The last health concern is that I have gained about 25 pounds since starting TRT. A lot of this is muscle since I stepped up my workouts in both frequency and intensity. However, my cholesterol has increased with my LDL being @ 142, HDL @ 63. and total @ 230. This is high for me. I have been on Cholesterol meds for over 20 years. > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use > . > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Sky, Thanks for the advice and for the link. Having checked the website, I didn't notice where they accept medical insurance. Since I have good insurance which pays for any labs my doctor requests it doesn't make sense for me to self-pay for labs. My doctor originally prescribed Trazadone to me for depression more than two decades ago. While I no longer suffer from depression, I continue to take Trazadone for sleep. I read where it raises one's serotonin levels too, which is good. The dose I take now is about half what was originally prescribed. Even as a child, I was a poor sleeper. My mind likes to keep on processing everything over and over, even when I am tired. My daughter has and my mother had the same problem. We're just a little crazy, I guess. I don't have trouble falling asleep, just staying asleep. Before I retired, I would wake up just to check the time to see if it was time to get up for work. Subconsiously, I was convinced I would miss waking up in time to go to work. [] Jay > > > > Just in relation to your cholesterol?  Have you ever had your thyroid checked? > > > > Sky > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@ ...> > > > > Sent: Wed, 31 March, 2010 8:04:14 AM > > Subject: Blood Test Results > > > >  > > The last health concern is that I have gained about 25 pounds since starting TRT. A lot of this is muscle since I stepped up my workouts in both frequency and intensity. However, my cholesterol has increased with my LDL being @ 142, HDL @ 63. and total @ 230. This is high for me. I have been on Cholesterol meds for over 20 years. > > > > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Hi Jay No they do not accept insurance only because the canary club get this test done for us at a cheap rate. Zrt labs are the ones that do the test and if you go directly through them then it costs $138. If you are going to do a saliva test through your doctor just do not use Diagnos-Tech they are not reliable. Maybe you could get your doc to order from zrt so then you will be covered http://www.zrtlab.com/health-care-consumers/order-a-test.html Sky ________________________________ From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...> Sent: Wed, 31 March, 2010 5:24:49 PM Subject: Re: Blood Test Results  Sky, Thanks for the advice and for the link. Having checked the website, I didn't notice where they accept medical insurance. Since I have good insurance which pays for any labs my doctor requests it doesn't make sense for me to self-pay for labs. My doctor originally prescribed Trazadone to me for depression more than two decades ago. While I no longer suffer from depression, I continue to take Trazadone for sleep. I read where it raises one's serotonin levels too, which is good. The dose I take now is about half what was originally prescribed. Even as a child, I was a poor sleeper. My mind likes to keep on processing everything over and over, even when I am tired. My daughter has and my mother had the same problem. We're just a little crazy, I guess. I don't have trouble falling asleep, just staying asleep. Before I retired, I would wake up just to check the time to see if it was time to get up for work. Subconsiously, I was convinced I would miss waking up in time to go to work. [] Jay > > > > Just in relation to your cholesterol?  Have you ever had your thyroid checked? > > > > Sky > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@ ...> > > > > Sent: Wed, 31 March, 2010 8:04:14 AM > > Subject: Blood Test Results > > > >  > > The last health concern is that I have gained about 25 pounds since starting TRT. A lot of this is muscle since I stepped up my workouts in both frequency and intensity. However, my cholesterol has increased with my LDL being @ 142, HDL @ 63. and total @ 230. This is high for me. I have been on Cholesterol meds for over 20 years. > > > > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 And it might well be your sex problem is higher levels of Estradiol E2 you can do 2 things get the test on line your self. http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/ItemLC004515/Estradiol-Blood-Test.html Or find a Dr. that wil test your E2 levels. All my problems with ED and sex were higher levels of E2 the window is small for this most men need to be at about 20 pg/ml any lower or higher your wood is not hard enough for sex. For some men it + or- about 6. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...> > Subject: Blood Test Results > > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 6:04 PM > Last week my GP physician gave me an > annual physical. As part of this routine, he ordered blood > work. I asked him to include Testosterone Total and Free as > well as E-2. Unfortunately, he did not order the E-2 test. > > I have been on TRT since last August. Originally, I started > on Androgel but after four months I switched to Testosterone > Cypionate. I am self-injecting once a week @ 100 mg. > > My most recent numbers are: total 759, free 163 with a > percent of 2.3. > These are up a lot from where I started at total 338. The > percent free seems to stay in the 2.3 - 2.4 range. > > My PSA has risen to 4.1 from .11. My urologist and I > believe this is because I also stopped taking Finesteride > when I started TRT. I'm taking Saw Palmetto instead. My GP > says it is normal for the PSA number to double when one > discontinues taking Finesteride or Proscar. > > The last health concern is that I have gained about 25 > pounds since starting TRT. A lot of this is muscle since I > stepped up my workouts in both frequency and intensity. > However, my cholesterol has increased with my LDL being @ > 142, HDL @ 63. and total @ 230. This is high for me. I have > been on Cholesterol meds for over 20 years. > > I do get " nightime wood " most nights and in the morning. > However, my libido and ability to get and erection for sex > is as bad or worse then it ever was. Guess I am just nuts in > the sex department. Medicare and my supplemental insurance > barely cover any of the cost of Viagra, Cialis, or Levitra. > -Guess they don't think old farts like me (65) need to have > sex. > > In the absence of getting a prescription for Arimidex, I > purchased an over-the-counter product, Amidren, from GMC. > After a month on it, I've not noticed any difference in > sex-drive. I do not have panic attacks nor do I have night > sweats. > > If anyone can see anything I am missing, let me know. I > don't understand why it should be so difficult for doctors > to order E-2 blood tests. > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Yep do test this do these labs. TSH Free T4 Free T3 Total T3 Total T4 RT3 Total Iron Iron Binding Capacity Iron % Saturation Ferritin B-12 Co-Moderator Phil > From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...> > Subject: Re: Blood Test Results > > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:03 PM > Sky, > > I have not had my thyroid checked. I assumed since I have a > pretty high energy level and haven't ever tended towards > being fat, I didn't have a problem with it. I also rarely > sweat much even when working out. That's kind of weird. I > think it is genetic, my mom didn't sweat either. I do have a > high surface temperature though. I've had folks tell me they > can feel the heat generating off my body when they stand > near me. > > Although I mentioned I'd gained about 25 pounds over the > past six months. I can account for this. I've been eating > more regularly since having retired and stepping up my > bodybuilding program. On a normal day, I eat three full > meals and drink two protein drinks. This isn't to say that I > couldn't lose some inches around the middle....ha, ha. > > Presently, I am 5'10 " and weigh 220. My biceps are 17.25 " , > chest is 48 " neck is 17.5 " , quads are 26.5 " and my waist > measures 36 " (not my pant size). Although I have a ways to > go to be in contest condition, I don't look bad for a > sixty-five year old man. > > One thing I don't do well is cardio. It is so boring. > However, I need to work that in somehow into my routine. > This should help lower my cholesterol....that and asking my > wife to cutout buying cookies all the time. > > Next time I have my blood checked, I'll ask the doctor to > also check my thyroid function. > > Thanks for the advice, > > Jay > > > > > > Just in relation to your cholesterol?  Have you > ever had your thyroid checked? > > > > Sky > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...> > > > > Sent: Wed, 31 March, 2010 8:04:14 AM > > Subject: Blood Test Results > > > >  > > The last health concern is that I have gained about 25 > pounds since starting TRT. A lot of this is muscle since I > stepped up my workouts in both frequency and intensity. > However, my cholesterol has increased with my LDL being @ > 142, HDL @ 63. and total @ 230. This is high for me. I have > been on Cholesterol meds for over 20 years. > > > > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe > • Terms of Use > > . > > > > > > > > > >     > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Last time I heard Quest labs has this test. Co-Moderator Phil > From: SKY JONES <subhadradasi2000@...> > Subject: Re: Blood Test Results > > Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 3:49 AM > Hi Jay > > No they do not accept insurance only because the canary > club get this test done for us at a cheap rate. Zrt labs are > the ones that do the test and if you go directly through > them then it costs $138. If you are going to do a saliva > test through your doctor just do not use Diagnos-Tech they > are not reliable. > > Maybe you could get your doc to order from zrt so then you > will be covered > http://www.zrtlab.com/health-care-consumers/order-a-test.html > > Sky > > > > ________________________________ > From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...> > > Sent: Wed, 31 March, 2010 5:24:49 PM > Subject: Re: Blood Test Results > >  > > Sky, > > Thanks for the advice and for the link. Having checked the > website, I > didn't notice where they accept medical insurance. Since I > have good > insurance which pays for any labs my doctor requests it > doesn't make > sense for me to self-pay for labs. > > My doctor originally prescribed Trazadone to me for > depression more than > two decades ago. While I no longer suffer from depression, > I continue to > take Trazadone for sleep. I read where it raises one's > serotonin levels > too, which is good. The dose I take now is about half what > was > originally prescribed. > > Even as a child, I was a poor sleeper. My mind likes to > keep on > processing everything over and over, even when I am tired. > My daughter > has and my mother had the same problem. We're just a little > crazy, I > guess. I don't have trouble falling asleep, just staying > asleep. Before > I retired, I would wake up just to check the time to see if > it was time > to get up for work. Subconsiously, I was convinced I would > miss waking > up in time to go to work. [] > > Jay > > > > > > > > Just in relation to your cholesterol? >  Have you ever > had your thyroid checked? > > > > > > Sky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@ ...> > > > > > > Sent: Wed, 31 March, 2010 8:04:14 AM > > > Subject: Blood Test Results > > > > > >  > > > The last health concern is that I have gained > about 25 pounds since > starting TRT. A lot of this is muscle since I stepped up my > workouts in > both frequency and intensity. However, my cholesterol has > increased with > my LDL being @ 142, HDL @ 63. and total @ 230. This is high > for me. I > have been on Cholesterol meds for over 20 years. > > > > > > > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest > • Unsubscribe > • Terms of Use > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Your potassium needs to be higher, read what foods have high levels of potassium in them here http://www.essortment.com/all/potassiumfoodh_rkyn.htm .. How ridiculous that they mention your previous vit D level being normal in 2005 - is that why they didn't bother to test your vit D 3 level now? To help lower cholesterol, take high dose Niacin (vitamin B3) i.e. 350mgs and CoEnzymeQ10 also high dose i.e. 300mgs daily. Another quite serious problem appears to be your very low B12 - it should be up near to the top of the range and also your serum folate is too low and needs to be raised. You can buy folic acid at your health food store. I believe the recommended dose is 5mgs, but your Health Food store should help you here. It is very important, however, that these be raised as quickly as possible. Have a look in our FILES section. Scroll down the FOLDERS which are alphabetical to NUTRITION and read about the recommended supplements Dr Mantzourani recommends. She is one of our medical advisers and believe me, she knows what she is doing ) Luv - Sheila VITAMIN B12/FOLATE LEVEL Vitamin B12 201 ng (145-901) serum folate 3.6 (2.0-13.5) Sheila I hope you can decipher all of that and I hope I haven't mistyped anything. What I find startling is that according to this lab I was OK on 25mcg and they suggest leaving me for another year. It is more than lucky that the registrar who has now moved on decided to go by my symptoms to a certain degree and double my thyroxine. My goitre would have gone unnoticed had I not challenged my GP who was of course quite happy keeping me on the 25mcg and I would have been on the annual tests still. I could cry when I think of how my 50s which should have been a really happy time for me was so overshadowed by the non-treatment of my thyroid due to these blood test ranges and the inability of GPs to go by one's symptoms. I can tell I am getting better as I am getting angry and LESS accepting of my situation. Thanks in advance for you thoughts on these results. I really do appreciate everybody's input and you are doing an invaluable service on here which is much appreciated. Regards, Margaret No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2930 - Release Date: 06/10/10 18:35:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Hi Margaret, you TSh may be in range at 3.04, but this is far from optimum- most healthy folk have a TSh of 1.0 and your free T4 is near the bottom of the range. The dose increase that you have should help, but I'll be surprised if it is sufficient. That FT4 range is the lowest I've ever seen- my doc uses 11-24 which goes much higher. > thyroid treatment > From: margaretp09@...> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:57:05 +0000> Subject: Blood Test Results> > Hi, I have now got the results taken during my endo. visit in April. How glad I am that I told my GP I wanted to see an endo as I would still he struggling on 25mcg for another year> > THYROID FUNCTION TEST> TFTs suggest satisfactory thyroid replacement therapy. Suggest repeat thyroid function tests in 1 year. I WAS ON 25MCG AT THE TIME AND HAD IT DOUBLED THE DAY OF THE TESTS AND FEEL BETTER!! > > FREE T4 11.5pmol (7.0-17.0)> TSH 3.04 (0.20-4.50)> > > L-thyroxine Dose 25mcg> Will be filed as:25mcg> > > Sheila I hope you can decipher all of that and I hope I haven't mistyped anything. What I find startling is that according to this lab I was OK on 25mcg and they suggest leaving me for another year. It is more than lucky that the registrar who has now moved on decided to go by my symptoms to a certain degree and double my thyroxine. My goitre would have gone unnoticed had I not challenged my GP who was of course quite happy keeping me on the 25mcg and I would have been on the annual tests still. I could cry when I think of how my 50s which should have been a really happy time for me was so overshadowed by the non-treatment of my thyroid due to these blood test ranges and the inability of GPs to go by one's symptoms.> > I can tell I am getting better as I am getting angry and LESS accepting of my situation.> > Thanks in advance for you thoughts on these results. I really do appreciate everybody's input and you are doing an invaluable service on here which is much appreciated. > > Regards,> > Margaret> > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Sheila, Thank you SO much for your comments and suggestions. It does beggar belief that because my Vit D was OK in 2005 that is OK now! Is this a very expensive test to do or what? What is the problem with the No Hope Service? I seem to attract incompentents everywhere I go! Why do you think the endo. did all those tests if, as you say they are low, they are not treated. I have not had any advice to increase potassium intake or take supplements. Is this 'normal' or just an oversight due to the registrar now having moved on elsewhere? How many people are walking our streets believing they are they are being suitably diagnosed and treated when they are not???? If it weren't for you I for one would be carrying on (struggling I should say) on 25mcg. Ridiculous state of affairs! I shall increase my consumption of bananas and get the other supplements plus continue taking the Vit D I have not taken for a while as I was awaiting my results. Thank you once again for your invaluable help. Regards Margaret >> Your potassium needs to be higher, read what foods have high levels of> potassium in them here http://www.essortment.com/all/potassiumfoodh_rkyn.htm> . How ridiculous that they mention your previous vit D level being normal in> 2005 - what she is doing )> > Luv - Sheila> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Dear Margaret, I would be very tempted to ask these questions of your endocrinologist and put them down in writing. Ask for answers and what he recommends regarding these low results. I would be tempted to also ask him what is the point of wasting NHS money testing when the results are not being taken into consideration - or treated? It is not normal, and if it is an oversight, then this is a further reason to send him a letter. You might want to look at this http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=1427913 to check prices for testing in the UK if your doctor refuses to do such a test. Luv - Sheila Why do you think the endo. did all those tests if, as you say they are low, they are not treated. I have not had any advice to increase potassium intake or take supplements. Is this 'normal' or just an oversight due to the registrar now having moved on elsewhere? How many people are walking our streets believing they are they are being suitably diagnosed and treated when they are not???? If it weren't for you I for one would be carrying on (struggling I should say) on 25mcg. Ridiculous state of affairs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Serum potassium 3.9 '' (3.5-5.0) - this is low - eat plenty of banana's and tomatoes and all things good for potassium It is vital that your vitamin D3 be tested. Doctors do not realise the importance of this. Ask for this again. Cholesterol level 6.1 (2.5-5.0)HIGH - take high dose Niacin (vitamin B3) - the flushing kind - around 350mgs daily and also high dose Co-Enzyme Q10 - around 300mgs daily. Vitamin B12 201 ng (145-901) serum folate 3.6 (2.0-13.5) This is VERY low and worthy of a course of B12 injections. Ask your GP about this. If he refuses, take Solgar B12 (sublingual) 1000mgs tablets x 2 daily. It is important to build up your level of B12 as soon as possible. Where is your ferritin result, they should have tested for this. Ask again for this test Margaret. This is very important. Luv - Sheila Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (6) Recent Activity: · New Members 19 · New Photos 5 · New Files 3 Visit Your Group TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2956 - Release Date: 06/23/10 18:35:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Hello Sue, I can't see anything sinister that jumps out on me, but – Your Cholesterol is elevated – which is nothing too much to worry about. It's a sign of Hypothyroidism. Your Ferritin is much too low – but you know that already. Since your calcium levels are so low, try to get a bone density test out of your GP….. always good to know where you stand. Now… do not worry too much about your FT4 drop. This is to be expected when you take NDT, because the T3:T4 ratio is much higher in NDT than a normal healthy human thyroid gland would produce. Of more importance would be to know the FT3…. but that wasn't done, of course ( - However, your TSH indicates that you are still not quite there. Your TSH should be at 1.0 or (preferably) below that. Since you are experiencing dizziness and fatigue and a number of other symptoms, I wonder – how is your adrenal situation? – have you tested yourself and/or had a salivary adrenal profile done before you went onto NDT? You mention not tolerating Nutri Adrenal, so I guess you must have looked into the adrenal function. – My guess would be that your adrenals are not sufficiently supported, and that might explain many, if not all, of your problems. If so, you need to rectify that ASAP. NO amount or kind of thyroid medication will sort you out unless and until your adrenals are strong enough to utilize those hormones. Also – your low ferritin will hamper any T3 getting into the cells…. and you need to find out those D3 and Zinc levels … keep asking at the surgery, because those results might just take longer to come back. I have had this happen to me too; was told there was nothing, and 2 weeks later they came in. To my mind the most important action now is to find out what shape your adrenals are in and to sort them out. They are the base upon which your thyroid treatment rests….. If you wanted to have proof of how much T3 and T4 your body currently utilizes, then you could do a private 24 hour urinary thyroid test, which would answer those questions, but it would cost you £ 85 plus postage…. Best wishes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Dear Anita - welcome to our forum and I hope you get all the help and support you need. It is a weekend, and the group is quiet, but if you opted to receive messages via Individual Emails, you may wish to reconsider and use the option to receive messages via a Daily Digest or to receive Special Notices only (you will only receive messages from me) and you can then read and write messages direct from the forum web site. It can get VERY busy here at times. Next time you post blood test results (whatever they are), please remember to also post the reference range for each of the tests, otherwise, we can't tell whether they are at the bottom, the middle or the top of the range, or even whether they are within the range at all. When you are taking thyroxine, your free T4 figure should be in the upper third of the reference range, and I can tell you that yours is very low. Your TSH looks fine - but that means nothing. Many people are quite ill with the symptoms of hypothyroidism and some go on for months/years suffering badly, and all their thyroid function tests are 'normal' according to their doctors, and they are being left without a diagnosis and without the treatment that will make them well. Your doctor should also have tested your level of free triiodothyronine (T3). Thyroxine is a mainly INACTIVE hormone and it has to convert through the liver, kidneys, skin, brain and other thyroid hormone receptors throughout the body and brain to the ACTIVE hormone T3. It is T3 that makes every cell in your body and brain function. There is a large minority of us who are unable to convert, for many and varied reasons, and if T4 is not making T3, we continue with symptoms of hypothyroidism and gradually get worse. There are a few conditions that go along with hypothyroidism that need to be eliminated (if you are suffering with any of these) before the thyroxine can convert - have a read through this link http://endocrine-disorders.suite101.com/article.cfm/why_isnt_my_thyroxine_working .. I have also attached a list of these so you can check them out - and these will involve getting more blood tests from your GP, but you may need to get a couple of them done privately - which we will give you details of later. It is important that you get your vitamin B12, vitamin D3, ferritin, folate, magnesium, copper and zinc levels checked. Your peripheral neuropathy could be low levels of B12 or any of the others. Are you taking Selenium 200mcgs daily with food? If not, you need to do this to help with conversion of t4 to the active T3. If your local laboratory refuses to check free T3, you can get this done at Lab21 http://www.lab21.com/healthcare/thyroid.php - but you will have to get your blood drawn somewhere - your doctor or nurse might do this for you. The tests costs £17. There is a reason why you are not getting better on your 125mcgs levothyroxine, and we will have to go through a process of elimination to find this. However, believe me, there is light at the end of the tunnel and we will help you get there. Luv - Sheila dear all, i am a newbie and it seems there is a wealth of knowledge here , can someone please interpret these latest blood test tsh 0.11 and t4 12.7 i am taking 125 mg of thyroxine and at the moment on 5mg of prednisolone for periphrel neuropathy , i have been on thyroxine for 9 years and i have never been my old self all the time of taking throxine replacement , would taking prednisolone require an increase of thyroxine ? and thank heavens i found this web sight its reasuring that i am not alone with all these dreadful symptoms !! well heres hoping for a reply love anita No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3040 - Release Date: 07/30/10 18:34:00 1 of 1 File(s) Why thyroid hormone stops working.doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Hi Anita, Welcome to the list. Quite the reverse, the prednisone sould help uptake and utilisation of thyroid hormones. Yet again the TSH is being used as an excuse to undermedicate- it may be a reasonable tool to aid diagnosis but tends to lead to undermedication as it drops too low in the presence of thyroid meds. Your FT4 is more important- do you know the range?- they do vary from lab to lab, but tend to be around 11-24 mark. So you see your Ft4 is near the bottonm of the range- you would probably feel a lot better if it was nearer the top. Ask for a dose increase to 'see if it helps' . Or you may be unable to convert sufficient of the T4 into the active hormone T3- but sadly docs are reluctant to prescribe this, but it can make miracles happen. thyroid treatment From: anita65hardy@...Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:16:47 +0000Subject: blood test results dear all, i am a newbie and it seems there is a wealth of knowledge here , can someone please interpret these latest blood test tsh 0.11 and t4 12.7 i am taking 125 mg of thyroxine and at the moment on 5mg of prednisolone for periphrel neuropathy , i have been on thyroxine for 9 years and i have never been my old self all the time of taking throxine replacement , would taking prednisolone require an increase of thyroxine ? and thank heavens i found this web sight its reasuring that i am not alone with all these dreadful symptoms !! well heres hoping for a reply love anita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 dear jenny; thanks ever so much for the reply to my question as i am seeing my doctor tomorrow i know she will give me an increase in thyroxine and has offered before a little bit of t3 but i was very reluctant to take this as i was afraid of adverse affects but after reading more into the thyroid treatment messages and reviews on t3 i feel confident to give it a try she offered me to try 10mg of t3 along with my 125mg of thyroxine so here goes and i hope to start this tomorrow what do you think ? i am very lucky after reading members reviews on doctor patient relationships my doctor is willing to try anything that will improve my health as i have other health issues that has caused my thyroid to fail in the first place but thats all by the by now so once again thanks jenny you have given me hope and thanks for the speedy reply , my lab reference range for t4 is 7-17 not sure of the tsh and t3 but i will get these for future reference thanks again jenny love anita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Hi Anita - it is usual for as doctor to decrease your dose of levothyroxine by 25mcgs if adding in 10mcgs T3, or by 50mcgs if they are adding in 20mcgs. See what she has to say, but please don't be afraid of taking T3 - this is the hormone your body needs and it is likely it has been screaming out for this hormone. However, 10mcgs is a teeny dose, it will need building up gradually so be patient. Good luck Luv - Sheila dear jenny; thanks ever so much for the reply to my question as i am seeing my doctor tomorrow i know she will give me an increase in thyroxine and has offered before a little bit of t3 but i was very reluctant to take this as i was afraid of adverse affects but after reading more into the thyroid treatment messages and reviews on t3 i feel confident to give it a try she offered me to try 10mg of t3 along with my 125mg of thyroxine so here goes and i hope to start this tomorrow what do you think ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Hi Anita, Grab the T3 with both hands! Just remember at least to start with, drop you T4 by 50mcg for every 20mcg T3 for 5 days before you start it in case it send you hyper temporarily. You may not overreact and can add it back in soon, but it has frigherent a few folk who were unprepaerd. T3 is active fast- it doesn't build up slowly like T4. I don't want to put you off- far from it, but just to excercise caution until you know how sensitive you are. > thyroid treatment > From: anita65hardy@...> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:27:22 +0000> Subject: Re: blood test results> > dear jenny; thanks ever so much for the reply to my question as i am seeing my doctor tomorrow i know she will give me an increase in thyroxine and has offered before a little bit of t3 but i was very reluctant to take this as i was afraid of adverse affects but after reading more into the thyroid treatment messages and reviews on t3 i feel confident to give it a try she offered me to try 10mg of t3 along with my 125mg of thyroxine so here goes and i hope to start this tomorrow what do you think ? i am very lucky after reading members reviews on doctor patient relationships my doctor is willing to try anything that will improve my health as i have other health issues that has caused my thyroid to fail in the first place but thats all by the by now so once again thanks jenny you have given me hope and thanks for the speedy reply , my lab reference range for t4 is 7-17 not sure of the tsh and t3 but i will get these for future reference thanks again jenny love anita > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 dear jenny , thanks for the advice i will cut back thyroxine by 25 mg for five days as you adviced to see how i go on i will now be taking 100mg thyroxine and 10 mg t3 she did not tell me to drop the thyroxine at all but only if i got chest pain and palpitations ,but best to be careful as you say i can soon top it back up in five days , well i hope this small amount of t3 starts helping and along with the supplements i will now take on a daily basis , its so sad some of the letters i have read here and thank god that people like you can put us in the right direction !!!! for two years i have suffered the most dreadful heavy legs and pins and needles and numbness i was diagnosed with peripheral neuropathy and have been taking predisolone which has,nt really helped and i always suspected it was my thyroid failing again as two years ago my test results were so different my t4 was 21 and my tsh at 0.05 then for some reason everything went down hill after getting shingles and my levels never recovered but i have to look forward to finding you and this group and your first hand knowledge is the hope for people like me god bless you and thanks for giving me hope !!!!! anita have a good day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 a word about flax seed oil ...from all my research it seems to be imperative that it's refrigerated/frozen because it quickly suffers " oxidative rancidity " . flaxseeds themselves are anti-thyroid and also inhibit cholesterol synthesis in the liver. uncontaminated fish or krill oil is a good choice for omega 3 fatty acids because the body doesn't have to do the conversion of ala/epa into dha (which is the type the body needs). best wishes for the t3 ...please give feedback ...i would like to try it but suspect my adrenals need more support first. trish > > dear sheila ' been to doctors this morning and was given 10mg of t3 but she said to keep taking the 125mg of t4 my usual dose and if i started to experience any chest pain to drop the t4 by 25 mg so here goes and also today i am starting to take selenium 200mg calcium 800mg ,magnesium 300mg, vitamin d 400 iu ,vitamin b5 575mg,vitamin c 120 mg , and flaxseed oil 1000 mg with each meal so i take 4000 mg of flaxseed oil , what do you think of the supplements and doses iam starting to take is it enough ? again your advice would help me ,surely there must be a supplement that can provide all the recommended vitamins , do you know of any ? again your knowledge needed and thank you for being there its so comforting to have guidence after so many years of struggling alone with this weary futile condition !! hugs from me anita > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Hi anita, Advice sounds fine, I's just that I suggested reducing the T4 first to prevent any adverse reaction and then adding it in back again if all goes OK- I was just being very cautious, but 10mcy is a good baby starter dose- if you fel ANY small benefit yell loudly for an increase! the only thing I'd add to the vits and minerals mix is zinc. you can test yourself if you are low- just suck a zinc gluconate tablet- if it tasted yeuch! then your'e fine, but if you only taste chalk- you're low. Try again in a month after supplementing and you'll see what I mean.> thyroid treatment > From: anita65hardy@...> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:03:15 +0000> Subject: Re: blood test results> > dear sheila ' been to doctors this morning and was given 10mg of t3 but she said to keep taking the 125mg of t4 my usual dose and if i started to experience any chest pain to drop the t4 by 25 mg so here goes and also today i am starting to take selenium 200mg calcium 800mg ,magnesium 300mg, vitamin d 400 iu ,vitamin b5 575mg,vitamin c 120 mg , and flaxseed oil 1000 mg with each meal so i take 4000 mg of flaxseed oil , what do you think of the supplements and doses iam starting to take is it enough ? again your advice would help me ,surely there must be a supplement that can provide all the recommended vitamins , do you know of any ? again your knowledge needed and thank you for being there its so comforting to have guidence after so many years of struggling alone with this weary futile condition !! hugs from me anita > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Hi anita, All we can do is share our experiences and what has helped us personally. thyroid treatment From: anita65hardy@...Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:50:56 +0000Subject: Re: blood test results dear jenny , thanks for the advice i will cut back thyroxine by 25 mg for five days as you adviced to see how i go on i will now be taking 100mg thyroxine and 10 mg t3 she did not tell me to drop the thyroxine at all but only if i got chest pain and palpitations ,but best to be careful as you say i can soon top it back up in five days , well i hope this small amount of t3 starts helping and along with the supplements i will now take on a daily basis , its so sad some of the letters i have read here and thank god that people like you can put us in the right direction !!!! for two years i have suffered the most dreadful heavy legs and pins and needles and numbness i was diagnosed with peripheral neuropathy and have been taking predisolone which has,nt really helped and i always suspected it was my thyroid failing again as two years ago my test results were so different my t4 was 21 and my tsh at 0.05 then for some reason everything went down hill after getting shingles and my levels never recovered but i have to look forward to finding you and this group and your first hand knowledge is the hope for people like me god bless you and thanks for giving me hope !!!!! anita have a good day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Hi anita, PS don't take the vits and minerals any where near the thyroid meds- 4 hours is a ggod seperation and one can block the other. thyroid treatment From: jennystenning@...Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 11:30:58 +0100Subject: RE: Re: blood test results Hi anita, Advice sounds fine, I's just that I suggested reducing the T4 first to prevent any adverse reaction and then adding it in back again if all goes OK- I was just being very cautious, but 10mcy is a good baby starter dose- if you fel ANY small benefit yell loudly for an increase! the only thing I'd add to the vits and minerals mix is zinc. you can test yourself if you are low- just suck a zinc gluconate tablet- if it tasted yeuch! then your'e fine, but if you only taste chalk- you're low. Try again in a month after supplementing and you'll see what I mean.> thyroid treatment > From: anita65hardy@...> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:03:15 +0000> Subject: Re: blood test results> > dear sheila ' been to doctors this morning and was given 10mg of t3 but she said to keep taking the 125mg of t4 my usual dose and if i started to experience any chest pain to drop the t4 by 25 mg so here goes and also today i am starting to take selenium 200mg calcium 800mg ,magnesium 300mg, vitamin d 400 iu ,vitamin b5 575mg,vitamin c 120 mg , and flaxseed oil 1000 mg with each meal so i take 4000 mg of flaxseed oil , what do you think of the supplements and doses iam starting to take is it enough ? again your advice would help me ,surely there must be a supplement that can provide all the recommended vitamins , do you know of any ? again your knowledge needed and thank you for being there its so comforting to have guidence after so many years of struggling alone with this weary futile condition !! hugs from me anita > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Hi, Will be interesting to see FT3. your TSH is too high at 2.53- in Germany you would recieve a diagnoisi at that level- most healthy folk have a TSh level of 1.0 Your FT4 is close to the bottom of the range- it's best to post ranges as they do vary from lab to lab, but usually is is something like 11-24 lack of T3 is a major cause of depression- and often swiftly lifts once T3 levels are restored. In the mean time consider selenium and zinc supplements as both are low in the Uk soil and are vital for T4 to T3 conversion. LOw ferritn is also a cuase as iron it vital too. candida and mercury from amalgams can also cause problems as can adrenal insufficiency. Have a good read of the files- theres lots of good info there while you are waiting for test results. > thyroid treatment > From: robbojnr27@...> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:11:01 +0000> Subject: blood test results> > > TSH- 2.53> FT4-13.3> > B12- 242> FOLATE -479> FERRITIN- 82> > I have been bed ridden, very depressed still. I have ordered complete thyroid screen from genova diagnostics as well as the reverse t3.> > I had other blood tests done, but like everything they say they are normal. Amazing how everything is normal but I wan't to kill myself.> > > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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