Re: Posting about being suicidal

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I totally get where you are coming from . My response to possibly taking T3 night was because I felt the same at night. Which, this turned out I had high cortisol at night. I had never had a saliva test prior to this. I was only tested for blood cortisol, which is useless to tell you what your rhythms are throughout the day to know if HC is needed at all. This was from the Guru Holtorf. I didn't seem him personally, but I am pretty sure they all follow his protocol.

I would like to say that I ended up in the ER three times. I was too affraid to take antianxiety meds because I didn't want to take anything that is addicting, but in our situation with thyroid I think it is well worth taking for some relief. I also have been on antidepressants in the past and had spent 1 1/2 years getting off them before starting T3 protocol. So, I wasn't to happy to have to fall back on them.

Well let me say this. If anyone out there needs antidepressants to get through to the point where you are feeling better it is so worth it. I am back on them and able to sleep through the night. So, worth it. I am now able to wean down slowly as I raise my T3; so don't be affraid you will never get off the antidepressants or antianxiety meds as I am weaning them very slowly-slivers over weeks.

So, I hope this helps to know that you are not alone out there. I am not sure if you are referring to my post, but wanted to clear up any miscommunication. I totally agree with . Call your insurance and get the Crisis Center; this will save you from staying in a rehab setting, which does nothing to help depression. They can help you there and get you medication quickly.

My heart goes out to all of you who have went through this. I have been there. You don't have to feel like this while you are trying to work this out.

If you need to call feel free Rhonda

verwhelming anxiety, scared I was even thinking this way

Posting about being suicidal

I am troubled by the puny response to someone posting they are suicidal. No, we are not responsible for what other people decide to do, but I have felt suicidal before and it is serious. Why aren't these people taken more seriously??If anyone feels like taking their own life they should seek PROFESSIONAL help immediately in the short term. In the long term then this board can help with figuring out how to balance T3 and HC and so forth.Just my opinion.--

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I totally get where you are coming from . My response to possibly taking T3 night was because I felt the same at night. Which, this turned out I had high cortisol at night. I had never had a saliva test prior to this. I was only tested for blood cortisol, which is useless to tell you what your rhythms are throughout the day to know if HC is needed at all. This was from the Guru Holtorf. I didn't seem him personally, but I am pretty sure they all follow his protocol.

I would like to say that I ended up in the ER three times. I was too affraid to take antianxiety meds because I didn't want to take anything that is addicting, but in our situation with thyroid I think it is well worth taking for some relief. I also have been on antidepressants in the past and had spent 1 1/2 years getting off them before starting T3 protocol. So, I wasn't to happy to have to fall back on them.

Well let me say this. If anyone out there needs antidepressants to get through to the point where you are feeling better it is so worth it. I am back on them and able to sleep through the night. So, worth it. I am now able to wean down slowly as I raise my T3; so don't be affraid you will never get off the antidepressants or antianxiety meds as I am weaning them very slowly-slivers over weeks.

So, I hope this helps to know that you are not alone out there. I am not sure if you are referring to my post, but wanted to clear up any miscommunication. I totally agree with . Call your insurance and get the Crisis Center; this will save you from staying in a rehab setting, which does nothing to help depression. They can help you there and get you medication quickly.

My heart goes out to all of you who have went through this. I have been there. You don't have to feel like this while you are trying to work this out.

If you need to call feel free Rhonda

verwhelming anxiety, scared I was even thinking this way

Posting about being suicidal

I am troubled by the puny response to someone posting they are suicidal. No, we are not responsible for what other people decide to do, but I have felt suicidal before and it is serious. Why aren't these people taken more seriously??If anyone feels like taking their own life they should seek PROFESSIONAL help immediately in the short term. In the long term then this board can help with figuring out how to balance T3 and HC and so forth.Just my opinion.--

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Most SSRI antidepressants are fluorinated

molecules and this is

counter to thyroid.

A safe and inexpensive alternative to antidepressants

is 5 HTP it boosts serotonin without any side effects,works

faster ,(within a few days) than typical antidepressants and causes no

damage.

You don't need a prescription as it is readily available

at any health food store.It helped me a lot a few years ago.

Also Dr Sherry has a book out on Depressions and addresses

toxicity as a major cause of depression.

Chantal

[Guest guest]

Most SSRI antidepressants are fluorinated

molecules and this is

counter to thyroid.

A safe and inexpensive alternative to antidepressants

is 5 HTP it boosts serotonin without any side effects,works

faster ,(within a few days) than typical antidepressants and causes no

damage.

You don't need a prescription as it is readily available

at any health food store.It helped me a lot a few years ago.

Also Dr Sherry has a book out on Depressions and addresses

toxicity as a major cause of depression.

Chantal

[Guest guest]

Most SSRI antidepressants are fluorinated

molecules and this is

counter to thyroid.

A safe and inexpensive alternative to antidepressants

is 5 HTP it boosts serotonin without any side effects,works

faster ,(within a few days) than typical antidepressants and causes no

damage.

You don't need a prescription as it is readily available

at any health food store.It helped me a lot a few years ago.

Also Dr Sherry has a book out on Depressions and addresses

toxicity as a major cause of depression.

Chantal

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I think it is great that some can take the 5 HTP, but not everyone can. It can have side effects also. Just as St. s Wart.

Re: Posting about being suicidal

Most SSRI antidepressants are fluorinated molecules and this is counter to thyroid.A safe and inexpensive alternative to antidepressantsis 5 HTP it boosts serotonin without any side effects,worksfaster ,(within a few days) than typical antidepressants and causes no damage.You don't need a prescription as it is readily available at any health food store.It helped me a lot a few years ago.Also Dr Sherry has a book out on Depressions and addressestoxicity as a major cause of depression.Chantal

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Would this be safe to use if you had possible adrenal issues?I am also wondering about SAMe and if that is safe to take. Thanks.Subject: Re: Posting about being suicidalTo: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 3:13 AM

Most SSRI antidepressants are fluorinated

molecules and this is

counter to thyroid.

A safe and inexpensive alternative to antidepressants

is 5 HTP it boosts serotonin without any side effects,works

faster ,(within a few days) than typical antidepressants and causes no

damage.

You don't need a prescription as it is readily available

at any health food store.It helped me a lot a few years ago.

Also Dr Sherry has a book out on Depressions and addresses

toxicity as a major cause of depression.

Chantal

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I have never heard of any problems with 5 HTP

You can start with 100mg and increase to 200mg and go up to about 300mg.

I have a friend who gets dark ugly suicidal depressed and 5HTP has

helped him tremendously He could never tolerate the side effects of

antidepressants.

He also has thyroid and adrenal issues that are not fixed.

Getting on optimal thyroid really helped with my depression but I used 5HTP

in the interim.The only problem with SamE is that is boosts methylation

which is

part of the detox mechanism which could possibly make you feel a little

worse as you release toxins.

This of course is not always true and everyone is different,so I would

not be afraid to at least give it

a try if this is what you want to use.

Chantal

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Thank you Chantel,I have used 5HTP in the past and didn't notice any problems with it but that was before all my problems with hypo, adrenal, and possible Rt3....I was afraid to try it while my body is so messed up.Last Friday out of desperation I took 400 mg of SAMe and on Saturday I felt SO good. So I took another 400 mg on Saturday and then on Sunday I felt SOOOOO bad! I practically stayed in bed all day. Your comments about SAMe help me understand now why I felt so crappy.Subject: Re: Posting about being suicidalTo: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:08 PMI have never heard of any problems with 5 HTPYou can start with 100mg and increase to 200mg and go up to about 300mg.I have a friend who gets dark ugly suicidal depressed and 5HTP hashelped him tremendously He could never tolerate the side effects of antidepressants.He also has thyroid and adrenal issues that are not fixed.Getting on optimal thyroid really helped with my depression but I used 5HTPin the interim.The only problem with SamE is that is boosts methylation which ispart of the detox mechanism which could possibly make you feel a little worse as you release toxins.This of course is not always true and everyone is different,so I would not be afraid to at least give ita try if this is what you want to use.Chantal------------------------------------We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information

with the help of a competent doctor.

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I need everyone's attention. I sought the help of a DO (doctor of osteopathy) a

couple of months ago for my adrenal problems and depression. At times of stress

I had thoughts of hurting myself. My depression was very bad. Up until then I

had used SJW with very negligible results, and lots of oversensitivity. He put

me on Amino Acid therapy (5HTP and misc. others) and I went from night to day.

EVERYONE with depression can (with help of a doc.) benefit from Amino Acid

therapy. A lot of people are low in amino acids because of food allergies, which

we all know can go hand in had with hypothyroidism because of the autoimmune

nature of it all.

PLEASE, IF YOU ARE SUFFERING FROM DEPRESSION EMAIL ME AND I WILL GIVE MORE INFO

ON THE BRAND I STILL USE. I AM NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT, I JUST KNOW HOW MUCH YOU

WANT TO GET BETTER FROM DEPRESSION AND HOW DIFFICULT IT IS WITH MODERN MEDS AND

EVEN ST. JOHN'S WORT. I HAVEN'T MENTIONED THIS ON THIS BOARD BEFORE B/C I WASN'T

SURE IT REALLY FIT THE TOPIC. PLEASE EMAIL ME FOR MORE INFO AND LINKS.

Kim.

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> I am troubled by the puny response to someone posting they are suicidal. No,

we are not responsible for what other people decide to do, but I have felt

suicidal before and it is serious. Why aren't these people taken more

seriously??

>

> If anyone feels like taking their own life they should seek PROFESSIONAL help

immediately in the short term. In the long term then this board can help with

figuring out how to balance T3 and HC and so forth.

>

> Just my opinion.

>

> --

>

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kimlorenz_mt@... wrote:

>I need everyone's attention. I sought the help of a DO (doctor of osteopathy) a

>couple of months ago for my adrenal problems and depression. At times of stress

>I had thoughts of hurting myself. My depression was very bad. Up until then I

>had used SJW with very negligible results, and lots of oversensitivity. He put

>me on Amino Acid therapy (5HTP and misc. others) and I went from night to day.

>EVERYONE with depression can (with help of a doc.) benefit from Amino Acid

>therapy. A lot of people are low in amino acids because of food allergies,

>which we all know can go hand in had with hypothyroidism because of the

>autoimmune nature of it all.

Another thing you can do is to increase your absorption of amino acids.

When I've had my total protein lab the last couple times, my doc noted

that my protein level was below the bottom of the range, or just at the

bottom of the range. A previous 'holistic' doc I'd gone to had suggested

I try Betaine HCl to increase absorption of protein from food, because

he has observed that many of his patients (esp. those folks like me who

have had gluten enteropathy) just aren't absorbing very well because they

aren't generating enough digestive acid.

I've been using 1800-2400mg Betaine HCL just before meals and it does help.

It's slightly cheaper than 5HTP or Tryptophan. I've used both 5HTP and

Tryptophan in the past, and find that my body likes Tryptophan better than

5HTP.

[Guest guest]

Thanks. Very informative. Had a question about Betaine HCI is helping in food absorption and/or depression by absorbing 5HTP or Tryptophan better??Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryDate: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:54:07 -0700 (MST)To: <rt3_t3 >Subject: Re: Posting about being suicidal kimlorenz_mt wrote:>I need everyone's attention. I sought the help of a DO (doctor of osteopathy) a>couple of months ago for my adrenal problems and depression. At times of stress>I had thoughts of hurting myself. My depression was very bad. Up until then I>had used SJW with very negligible results, and lots of oversensitivity. He put>me on Amino Acid therapy (5HTP and misc. others) and I went from night to day.>EVERYONE with depression can (with help of a doc.) benefit from Amino Acid>therapy. A lot of people are low in amino acids because of food allergies,>which we all know can go hand in had with hypothyroidism because of the>autoimmune nature of it all.Another thing you can do is to increase your absorption of amino acids.When I've had my total protein lab the last couple times, my doc notedthat my protein level was below the bottom of the range, or just at thebottom of the range. A previous 'holistic' doc I'd gone to had suggestedI try Betaine HCl to increase absorption of protein from food, becausehe has observed that many of his patients (esp. those folks like me whohave had gluten enteropathy) just aren't absorbing very well because theyaren't generating enough digestive acid.I've been using 1800-2400mg Betaine HCL just before meals and it does help.It's slightly cheaper than 5HTP or Tryptophan. I've used both 5HTP andTryptophan in the past, and find that my body likes Tryptophan better than5HTP.

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rlconnelly@... wrote:

>Thanks. Very informative. Had a question about Betaine HCI is helping in food

>absorption and/or depression by absorbing 5HTP or Tryptophan better??

Actually the Betaine HCl is something you want to use if you need to

do a better job of breaking down the protein you eat, into amino acids.

The main way of determining whether you need it, is if your total

protein on a comprehensive metabolic profile is below the normal range.

Pills of 5HTP or Tryptophan are free-form amino acids, so you don't

want to take Betaine HCL with them because they are already " digested " .

However there is a lot of theory around the idea of eating carbs at night

to help tryptophan cross the blood-brain barrier. Kathleen DeMaison (sp?)

wrote a series of books about that some years back (e.g. " Potatoes not

Prozac " ). As I recall, the theory is that insulin causes most aminos

to be retained in the muscles, so they aren't competing with tryptophan

to cross the blood-brain barrier. Probably NOT a good therapy for

someone who is diabetic.

[Guest guest]

Does this have anything to do with the product 'from fatigued to fantastic", a powder you mix up with juice....and then take a mega B vit along with it?k.smithSubject: Re: Posting about being suicidalTo: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 10:55 PMI need everyone's attention. I sought the help of a DO (doctor of osteopathy) a couple of months ago for my adrenal problems and depression. At times of stress I had thoughts of hurting myself. My depression was very bad. Up until then I had used SJW with very negligible results, and lots of oversensitivity. He put me

on Amino Acid therapy (5HTP and misc. others) and I went from night to day. EVERYONE with depression can (with help of a doc.) benefit from Amino Acid therapy. A lot of people are low in amino acids because of food allergies, which we all know can go hand in had with hypothyroidism because of the autoimmune nature of it all. PLEASE, IF YOU ARE SUFFERING FROM DEPRESSION EMAIL ME AND I WILL GIVE MORE INFO ON THE BRAND I STILL USE. I AM NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT, I JUST KNOW HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO GET BETTER FROM DEPRESSION AND HOW DIFFICULT IT IS WITH MODERN MEDS AND EVEN ST. JOHN'S WORT. I HAVEN'T MENTIONED THIS ON THIS BOARD BEFORE B/C I WASN'T SURE IT REALLY FIT THE TOPIC. PLEASE EMAIL ME FOR MORE INFO AND LINKS.Kim.>> I am troubled by the puny response to

someone posting they are suicidal. No, we are not responsible for what other people decide to do, but I have felt suicidal before and it is serious. Why aren't these people taken more seriously??> > If anyone feels like taking their own life they should seek PROFESSIONAL help immediately in the short term. In the long term then this board can help with figuring out how to balance T3 and HC and so forth.> > Just my opinion.> > -->------------------------------------We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.