Guest guest Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 >The HC is my main concern right now. I am confused. You have just been to someone who Val describes as the formost Eurpoean expert in adrenal issues and yet you are asking us that question?? Did you not ask his advice on the adrenal issues? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 No you dont undestAND, i am serverely fatigue now. I cananot think. Proobably low cortisol.I qwill get back to everything soon. I just need to fix my current state. just phones them, and Himself said take 20 mg extra HC as now, in addition to the 10 mg I just took as my morning dose. He thinks I am very tired from the trip, and I am.Quick question: I am extremely worried, and will my heart take a dose of 20 mg HC at once? I just took 10 so that 10 + 20 = 30 in 1 hour. and nothing thru  the rest of the day was the advioce fpor HC today.Fingers sweating. They did so all thru yesterday. It ook 15 mg stress doe yesterday. >The HC is my main concern right now. I am confused. You have just been to someone who Val describes as the formost Eurpoean expert in adrenal issues and yet you are asking us that question?? Did you not ask his advice on the adrenal issues? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 He doses differntly than I do but you need ot listen ot him. HC does NOT affect your heart, -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 >and Himself said take 20 mg extra HC as now, in addition to the 10 mg I just took as my morning dose. He thinks I am very tired from the trip, and I am. > >Quick question: I am extremely worried, and will my heart take a dose of 20 mg HC at once? I just took 10 so that 10 + 20 = 30 in 1 hour. and nothing thru the rest of the day was the advioce fpor HC today. If there was any danger of your heart not taking that 20 he wouldn't have suggested it, he's examined you, we haven't. Follow his advice Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I listen to him. I don't know everything about him but he seems to know a lot about these things!He wants me to start with these things tomorrow:DHEAALDOSTERONEOne more hormone (cant remember which)and another brand of hydrocortison (I want to use the things he tells me to use)1 hour after taking 20 mg HC, which was 1 hour after taking my first 10 mg HC, my fingers are back to sweating again, and I feel sleepy and tired. Do you know why this is happening? Shouldn't 10+20 mg HC keep me ok til the evening?I think it's weird that I shouldn't "ween off" my stress dosing which has been like 10 mg the first few days, then 15 mg yesterday in his office (he said I was at the start of adrenal crisis right there in his office) - and I will actually not only skip stress dosing at all today but also go down 5 mg from my normal dose? HMMM...I feel so weird! I am worried I take too little / too much HC constantly. My head is stuck, and I just feel plan BAD. What should I do? Call him again?Subject: Re: Back from Belgium!To: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 12:47 PM Â He doses differntly than I do but you need ot listen ot him. HC does NOT affect your heart, -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 He didn't examine my heart.I follow his advice.Right now I feel like following my own: Go to the ER.. Just feel so knocked out, head is hurting (like it's infected) and my fingers are back to sweating after 30 mg HC in the first 3 hours of my day. How is it possible that I can have adrenaline after 30 mg HC???? >and Himself said take 20 mg extra HC as now, in addition to the 10 mg I just took as my morning dose. He thinks I am very tired from the trip, and I am. > >Quick question: I am extremely worried, and will my heart take a dose of 20 mg HC at once? I just took 10 so that 10 + 20 = 30 in 1 hour. and nothing thru the rest of the day was the advioce fpor HC today. If there was any danger of your heart not taking that 20 he wouldn't have suggested it, he's examined you, we haven't. Follow his advice Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Still recovering from my trip, guys & girls!Just want to know if there's anything I should keep in mind when I start taking FLUDROCORTISONE and DHEA tomorrow morning?Hertoghe told me to take them with HC 10-30 minutes before I eat breakfast......Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 >Just want to know if there's anything I should keep in mind when I start taking FLUDROCORTISONE Look through old postings on here and in particular the adrenal group. The key words you are looking for are Florinef and Aldosterone Nick -- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Is there nothing special I should know? Are these new meds without side effects and do they feel ok taken on empty stomach? :-)I am gonna take 1 x 35 mg DHEA in the morning, along with 0.10 mg FLUDROCORTISONE in the morning, and move my HC so that I do 20 mg in the morning with these meds and 10 mg HC around lunchtime, and 2.5 mg HC at bedtime as an option.That's part of my new plan!Thanks a lot! Still recovering from my trip, guys & girls!Just want to know if there's anything I should keep in mind when I start taking FLUDROCORTISONE and DHEA tomorrow morning?Hertoghe told me to take them with HC 10-30 minutes before I eat breakfast... ...Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 >Is there nothing special I should know? Are these new meds without side effects and do they feel ok taken on empty stomach? :-)I am gonna take 1 x 35 mg DHEA in the morning, along with 0.10 mg FLUDROCORTISONE in the morning, and move my HC so that I do 20 mg in the morning with these meds and 10 mg HC around lunchtime, and 2.5 mg HC at bedtime as an option. >That's part of my new plan! I don't know, neither are RT3 issues. This is why I suggested looking through the back posts on the Adrenal group and on back posts here to see how other people are doing on them. I have you the key phrases to look out for when looking. Let us know how the 3 times a day HC works out, I don't know of anyone else working on that timing so have no idea how well it will work. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I will let you all know. Just started this yesterday, and I'm still tired after my trip + infection. So... Just a quick question though:Do I have to stop sea salt water intake when I take 0.10 mg fludro/aldosterone daily? I am thirsty now... Guess it means I need more salt???I will do some searches as well! But it's kinda important to know, fast, if I need to drink more salt water or not while taking this med! It can take forever to find the answer while searching...So you think it's time for another FT3 blood sample? It was 7.0 (top range) 1 week ago. Worried it will be too high! I've missed 20-25 mcg T3 this week total. >Is there nothing special I should know? Are these new meds without side effects and do they feel ok taken on empty stomach? :-)I am gonna take 1 x 35 mg DHEA in the morning, along with 0.10 mg FLUDROCORTISONE in the morning, and move my HC so that I do 20 mg in the morning with these meds and 10 mg HC around lunchtime, and 2.5 mg HC at bedtime as an option. >That's part of my new plan! I don't know, neither are RT3 issues. This is why I suggested looking through the back posts on the Adrenal group and on back posts here to see how other people are doing on them. I have you the key phrases to look out for when looking. Let us know how the 3 times a day HC works out, I don't know of anyone else working on that timing so have no idea how well it will work. Nick __._,_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 No aldosterone needs salt to work. Continue as you have been. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Wow, really?So what I was trying to figure out was...First, I became sick in 2008, and into 2009. Did a lot of blood tests. Saw a lower-range aldosterone in both serum and urine before the summer fo 2009. One month later, I started drinking sea salt and taking HC. Then, the new serum and urine tests showed higher-range aldosterone. Aldosterone is now good.Problem sloved, right?I forgot to tell the aldosterone improved to Hertoghe. Maybe I should? maybe he wouldn't have given me aldosterone if I had said that to him. Maybe I don't need it, that's what I'm trying to say! Maybe I just need sea salt!?Thanks! No aldosterone needs salt to work. Continue as you have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Like my GP told me today: Why give me aldosterone if my serum sodium was never low? It has always been good, or even top range.I understand if a person had low sodium serum, and a measured low aldosterone in serum and urine, but... If one drinks sea salt while having low aldosterone, and aldosterone improves, and serum sodium stays good like before, why take aldosterone?I am confused. :\ No aldosterone needs salt to work. Continue as you have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Like my GP told me today: Why give me aldosterone if my serum sodium was never low? It has always been good, or even top range.I understand if a person had low sodium serum, and a measured low aldosterone in serum and urine, but... If one drinks sea salt while having low aldosterone, and aldosterone improves, and serum sodium stays good like before, why take aldosterone?I am confused. :\ No aldosterone needs salt to work. Continue as you have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Salt does not raise aldosterone. Only helaing adrenlas can do that. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I have seen Hertoghe say many things that Val would not agree with. For example, he is huge fan of DHEA and says no one should take HC without also taking DHEA (because HC is catabolic and DHEA is anabolic)however, I think Val's point that it is the testosterone from DHEA that is doing most if not all the anabolic work. (Not to mention that DHEA turns mostly into estrogen in me!!) Hertoghe also says (at least in his books) that he doesn't favor use of t3 only and prefers dessicated. He doesn't even seem to address the rt3 issue, but as he seems very open minded and intelligent, I would hope he would be open to treating an rt3 problem with t3 only. I don't think he told to stop it, at any rate. Kathleen > > >The HC is my main concern right now. > > I am confused. > > You have just been to someone who Val describes as the formost > Eurpoean expert in adrenal issues and yet you are asking us that > question?? Did you not ask his advice on the adrenal issues? > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I have seen Hertoghe say many things that Val would not agree with. For example, he is huge fan of DHEA and says no one should take HC without also taking DHEA (because HC is catabolic and DHEA is anabolic)however, I think Val's point that it is the testosterone from DHEA that is doing most if not all the anabolic work. (Not to mention that DHEA turns mostly into estrogen in me!!) Hertoghe also says (at least in his books) that he doesn't favor use of t3 only and prefers dessicated. He doesn't even seem to address the rt3 issue, but as he seems very open minded and intelligent, I would hope he would be open to treating an rt3 problem with t3 only. I don't think he told to stop it, at any rate. Kathleen > > >The HC is my main concern right now. > > I am confused. > > You have just been to someone who Val describes as the formost > Eurpoean expert in adrenal issues and yet you are asking us that > question?? Did you not ask his advice on the adrenal issues? > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Heck no , they aren't without sides. DHEA can convert to estrogen for some of us. You have to keep and eye on this through testing E levels. All 3 forms of E. (E1, 2 and 3). DHEA can be wonderful, but you have to monitor all the hormones it can convert to. For some it can cause hair loss when dosed too high. It can go right to DHT. No way I would start more than one hormone at a time. You can't learn what they do apart from another if you don't allow breathing room between them. I have never seen a hormone doctor YET give this bit of advice when they dole out stuff to take. You can end up with a big mess on your hands from starting more than one thing. Flor (fludrocortisone) can cause fluid retention and headaches when dosed too high. AG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still recovering from my trip, guys & girls! > Just want to know if there's anything I should keep in mind when I start taking FLUDROCORTISONE and DHEA tomorrow morning? > Hertoghe told me to take them with HC 10-30 minutes before I eat breakfast... .... > Thanks! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 How are this 3 forms of strogen called? I don't think I ever heard of E1, 2 and 3... Which ones are all those hormones DHEA can convert to. I am also taking DHEA and I am very interested on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still recovering from my trip, guys & girls! > > Just want to know if there's anything I should keep in mind when I start taking FLUDROCORTISONE and DHEA tomorrow morning? > > Hertoghe told me to take them with HC 10-30 minutes before I eat breakfast... ... > > Thanks! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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