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>>>> I believe Peat's real beef with the EFA folks are those recommending

large amounts as can be seen in the dog study bianca sited earlier.

****I would like to know exactly how much fish oil was fed to those research

dogs, how it was processed, what the peroxide value was at time of feeding,

and specifically, what the dogs' TOTAL diet was during the course of the

experiment before I can translate the researcher's findings to my own

consumption of CLO or that which I feed to my dogs.

I am active on a number of pet health boards, including my own

intermediate/advanced canine and feline nutrition list, and I can tell you

many pet owners are throwing copious amounts of fish oils at their pets

because of all the recent research finding how beneficial EPA and DHA are

for a number of conditions, from cancer to renal failure. I have been

suspicious of this trend since its inception and have tried to tell pet

owners not to go overboard with omega 3 oil supplementation because a) the

*known* harmful effects of lipid peroxidation, B) we don't know what the

long term effects of lipid profiles with high n-3:n-6 ratio in dogs and c)

we don't know what the long term effects are of feeding processed,

fractionated isolates (any refined oil) on health.

What's happening in the homemade pet diet community, is that many, many

folks are feeding primarily chicken, battery-raised chicken, which is

absurdly unbalanced in its n-6:n-3 ratio, and also has a very high

concentration of n-6 fatty acids in general - approx. 20%. So folks are

trying to balance out the high n-6 in chicken by feeding salmon oil. My

thinking is too feed a balanced diet in the first place so as to avoid the

*need* for counterbalancing fatty acids.

However, I DO think once you've done the best you can to balance your own or

your pet's diet, and you still find it falls short in n-3s, then it's OK to

supplement a little. I generally rotate ground flax seeds with salmon oil

(Natural Factors). I also think there are times when larger quantities of

fish oils are indicated, such as in a disease state in which they've been

shown to be beneficial. I feed my 9 lb. Min Pin 32 drops of CLO per week to

address her hypocalcemia. The alternative was to feed her a synthetic

calcitriol preserved with BHA and BHT. I think NOT. But, I'm well aware of

potential harmful effects of fish oil, so I counter them the best I can by

keeping the amounts as low as possible and feeding a variety of antioxidants

that reduce lipid peroxidation.

>>>I always recommend that if people are going to supplement EFA's that

they should be consumed with sat. fats and should not be in large

amounts, a little goes a long way.

****I typically make sure that foods high in n-6s are in a *different* meal

than a meal that includes flax seeds or flax oil. I'm concerned about the 6s

'beating out' the 3s for delta 6 desaturase, as they are considered to be

more 'intense' and are usually more abundant. Typically it's the unsaturated

*unrefined* fats/oils that carry the self-protecting antioxidants. Of

course, refined oils/fats often have had the antioxidants removed, although

some manufacturers add them back in, but sometimes in synthetic forms.

Is there something in saturated fats that protects the unsaturated from

oxidation?

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sorry, sophia. i hate mail order, too, but, if you live in the

backwaters (literally!) as i do, then i see no getting around it.

i can only recommend radiant life's CLO. it's so good, in fact, that

i drink it straight from the bottle.

another perk: christopher has a very nice voice.

allene, in the swamps of sc

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Also, the radiant life brand is absolutely the cheapest cod liver oil

on the Internet. For the amount of vitamins and fatty acids you get

for your money, I mean. Er, what I mean is, in all my intense

comparison shopping I've never seen anything cheaper on the Net. I

too am in a nutritional wasteland and must resort to mail order for

many things.

-- In @y..., " allenerob " <sallene@s...> wrote:

> sorry, sophia. i hate mail order, too, but, if you live in the

> backwaters (literally!) as i do, then i see no getting around it.

>

> i can only recommend radiant life's CLO. it's so good, in fact,

that

> i drink it straight from the bottle.

>

> another perk: christopher has a very nice voice.

>

> allene, in the swamps of sc

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Sophia-

>I am just trying to see if I can buy it w/o having to go through mail order.

>Is there a brand that I can get from local health food or vitamin store?

There's Carlson's Lemon Flavored CLO. The Vitamin Shoppe carries it, but

it can sometimes be difficult to find it on the shelves. I've had good

luck, in general, at the store on 86th St. between, I think, 2nd and

3d. The vitamin content of the Radiant Life CLO is superior, though, but I

haven't tried it yet.

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