Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 >sorry for the unorganized post but i'm not really sure what's goin on. Do i have adrenal issues or not.. my current labs say too high cortisol. And do i have hashis? Not sure what is up with all this. >I went back and checked a lab from 2 years ago and my TSH was a 3.65! Hello and welcome to the group. You have Hashi's, the antibodies are a cert for that. The best treatment is to reduce TSH to a suppressed figure, below 0.1, with a good dose of thyroid replacement. You have a massive RT3 issue which will be causing resistance to thyroid hormone, the RT3 will block the receptors that the T3 should be activating. The best way to check the RT3 is to look at the ratio of FT3 to RT3, with the decimal point in the right place this should be 20 or greater. Yours is 320 / 446 = 7.6 The only thing we know of that will reliably shift this is going onto T3 only for at least 12 weeks. Some people then succeed in swapping back to natural thyroid after and some end up staying on T3 only. The T3 needs to be spread through the day and the dose slowly increased to catch up as your own thyroid production goes down as a result of the external hormone. You are in an early stage of adrenal failure and they should settle down without support as you increase the T3. What normally happens is they increase production as the thyroid fails and eventually " burn out " from trying to make too much. You've caught them in the increased production phase and hence they stand a chance of normalizing if you take away the stimulus for the over production (the lack of T3) Even without the high RT3 I would have said you were hypo on those labs, TSH is too high and FT3 too low. Have a read through here and feel free to ask questions www.thyroid-rt3.com Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Thank you so much Nick. That explains I lot. I am just so frustrated at why Rt3 is never checked and why even after it is and it is really high, even my functional medicine doctor didn't seem to know or care what it was. Glad to have this group for support. I have a hard time figuring out whether my rt3 issue is from an adrenal crash or whether my adrenal crash was from years of being hypoT. It's the chicken or the egg issue. My antibodies only started to jump up and come down in the past 2 months but ive been hypoT on and off for the past 2 years or so based on my TSH. However, for the past year and a half during my last years at college, i never felt better and was extremely healthy. Always sweating, never intolerant to cold, very athletic, and constantly pushing my body to where i eventually crashed hard in july 09. AFTER the crash is when my TSH moved from a 1.0 all the way to 2.9.. started to build antibodies, etc. My adrenals (based on symptoms AND testing) seem to respond well to b12 therapy which i was deficient in. Before the b12, my adrenals were always powering on and eventually a saliva test showed low cortisol. After the b12, my adrenals are way too high cortisol. I guess high is better than low.. Is Rt3 a problem that is permanent with/without correction? Or is it possible for it to go away on its own once the adrenals are dealt with? (or do i have it backwards... do my adrenals get better once the rt3 is dealt with) What are the side effects or dangers i would have to watch out for when taking thyroid medication, or specifically T3 in my case? Can a round of t3 possibly kick start my body back into gear and get rid of the hashi permanently? Or is this for life? I don't understand how at 22 and being a male with no family history. One of my doctors said that my rt3 is not a problem because my body is currently so deficient and sick it is its way of protecting itself from turning up the metabolism and I shouldn't take thyroid meds. That makes sense but if the reason why i'm bedridden and severely sick and have adrenal issues with no other diagnosis at ALL i'm most definitely willing to try some thyroid medication. Is there a list of doctors in the Orange County/Los Angeles county area that treats thyroid and adrenals properly including Rt3? sorry for the long list of questions. thanks for anyone that can help me out. david > > >sorry for the unorganized post but i'm not really sure what's goin on. Do i have adrenal issues or not.. my current labs say too high cortisol. And do i have hashis? Not sure what is up with all this. > >I went back and checked a lab from 2 years ago and my TSH was a 3.65! > > Hello and welcome to the group. > > You have Hashi's, the antibodies are a cert for that. The best > treatment is to reduce TSH to a suppressed figure, below 0.1, with a > good dose of thyroid replacement. > > You have a massive RT3 issue which will be causing resistance to > thyroid hormone, the RT3 will block the receptors that the T3 should > be activating. > > The best way to check the RT3 is to look at the ratio of FT3 to RT3, > with the decimal point in the right place this should be 20 or > greater. > > Yours is 320 / 446 = 7.6 > > The only thing we know of that will reliably shift this is going onto > T3 only for at least 12 weeks. Some people then succeed in swapping > back to natural thyroid after and some end up staying on T3 only. > > The T3 needs to be spread through the day and the dose slowly > increased to catch up as your own thyroid production goes down as a > result of the external hormone. > > You are in an early stage of adrenal failure and they should settle > down without support as you increase the T3. What normally happens is > they increase production as the thyroid fails and eventually " burn > out " from trying to make too much. You've caught them in the increased > production phase and hence they stand a chance of normalizing if you > take away the stimulus for the over production (the lack of T3) > > Even without the high RT3 I would have said you were hypo on those > labs, TSH is too high and FT3 too low. > > Have a read through here and feel free to ask questions > > www.thyroid-rt3.com > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Try the Holtorf Group in Torrance Thank you so much Nick. That explains I lot. I am just so frustrated at why Rt3 is never checked and why even after it is and it is really high, even my functional medicine doctor didn't seem to know or care what it was. Glad to have this group for support. I have a hard time figuring out whether my rt3 issue is from an adrenal crash or whether my adrenal crash was from years of being hypoT. It's the chicken or the egg issue. My antibodies only started to jump up and come down in the past 2 months but ive been hypoT on and off for the past 2 years or so based on my TSH. However, for the past year and a half during my last years at college, i never felt better and was extremely healthy. Always sweating, never intolerant to cold, very athletic, and constantly pushing my body to where i eventually crashed hard in july 09. AFTER the crash is when my TSH moved from a 1.0 all the way to 2.9.. started to build antibodies, etc. My adrenals (based on symptoms AND testing) seem to respond well to b12 therapy which i was deficient in. Before the b12, my adrenals were always powering on and eventually a saliva test showed low cortisol. After the b12, my adrenals are way too high cortisol. I guess high is better than low.. Is Rt3 a problem that is permanent with/without correction? Or is it possible for it to go away on its own once the adrenals are dealt with? (or do i have it backwards... do my adrenals get better once the rt3 is dealt with) What are the side effects or dangers i would have to watch out for when taking thyroid medication, or specifically T3 in my case? Can a round of t3 possibly kick start my body back into gear and get rid of the hashi permanently? Or is this for life? I don't understand how at 22 and being a male with no family history. One of my doctors said that my rt3 is not a problem because my body is currently so deficient and sick it is its way of protecting itself from turning up the metabolism and I shouldn't take thyroid meds. That makes sense but if the reason why i'm bedridden and severely sick and have adrenal issues with no other diagnosis at ALL i'm most definitely willing to try some thyroid medication. Is there a list of doctors in the Orange County/Los Angeles county area that treats thyroid and adrenals properly including Rt3? sorry for the long list of questions. thanks for anyone that can help me out. david > > >sorry for the unorganized post but i'm not really sure what's goin on. Do i have adrenal issues or not.. my current labs say too high cortisol. And do i have hashis? Not sure what is up with all this. > >I went back and checked a lab from 2 years ago and my TSH was a 3.65! > > Hello and welcome to the group. > > You have Hashi's, the antibodies are a cert for that. The best > treatment is to reduce TSH to a suppressed figure, below 0.1, with a > good dose of thyroid replacement. > > You have a massive RT3 issue which will be causing resistance to > thyroid hormone, the RT3 will block the receptors that the T3 should > be activating. > > The best way to check the RT3 is to look at the ratio of FT3 to RT3, > with the decimal point in the right place this should be 20 or > greater. > > Yours is 320 / 446 = 7.6 > > The only thing we know of that will reliably shift this is going onto > T3 only for at least 12 weeks. Some people then succeed in swapping > back to natural thyroid after and some end up staying on T3 only. > > The T3 needs to be spread through the day and the dose slowly > increased to catch up as your own thyroid production goes down as a > result of the external hormone. > > You are in an early stage of adrenal failure and they should settle > down without support as you increase the T3. What normally happens is > they increase production as the thyroid fails and eventually " burn > out " from trying to make too much. You've caught them in the increased > production phase and hence they stand a chance of normalizing if you > take away the stimulus for the over production (the lack of T3) > > Even without the high RT3 I would have said you were hypo on those > labs, TSH is too high and FT3 too low. > > Have a read through here and feel free to ask questions > > www.thyroid-rt3.com > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Regarding your question about taking thyroid, there are good answers here http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm > > > > >sorry for the unorganized post but i'm not really sure what's goin on. Do i have adrenal issues or not.. my current labs say too high cortisol. And do i have hashis? Not sure what is up with all this. > > >I went back and checked a lab from 2 years ago and my TSH was a 3.65! > > > > Hello and welcome to the group. > > > > You have Hashi's, the antibodies are a cert for that. The best > > treatment is to reduce TSH to a suppressed figure, below 0.1, with a > > good dose of thyroid replacement. > > > > You have a massive RT3 issue which will be causing resistance to > > thyroid hormone, the RT3 will block the receptors that the T3 should > > be activating. > > > > The best way to check the RT3 is to look at the ratio of FT3 to RT3, > > with the decimal point in the right place this should be 20 or > > greater. > > > > Yours is 320 / 446 = 7.6 > > > > The only thing we know of that will reliably shift this is going onto > > T3 only for at least 12 weeks. Some people then succeed in swapping > > back to natural thyroid after and some end up staying on T3 only. > > > > The T3 needs to be spread through the day and the dose slowly > > increased to catch up as your own thyroid production goes down as a > > result of the external hormone. > > > > You are in an early stage of adrenal failure and they should settle > > down without support as you increase the T3. What normally happens is > > they increase production as the thyroid fails and eventually " burn > > out " from trying to make too much. You've caught them in the increased > > production phase and hence they stand a chance of normalizing if you > > take away the stimulus for the over production (the lack of T3) > > > > Even without the high RT3 I would have said you were hypo on those > > labs, TSH is too high and FT3 too low. > > > > Have a read through here and feel free to ask questions > > > > www.thyroid-rt3.com > > > > Nick > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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