Re: Re: Dr. Mercola/Marshall

[Guest guest]

Hi Emma.  I agree wholeheartedly that a doctor should stay with his doctoring

and a salesperson should remain a salesperson.  The two do not fit well together

and therein lies the problem with Mercola.  Apparently he makes more money as a

salesperson than he does as a doctor.  Dolores & Mike

From: Emma Sand <seneca.whitaker@...>

Subject: rheumatic Re: Dr. Mercola/Marshall

rheumatic

Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 6:33 PM

I am not on the Marshall Protocol, but I have read www.bacteriality. com from

top to bottom. (It promotes the MP). I have to say that after reading all of

the information on the site, I find it far more thorough and compelling than

Mercola's argument against it.

I've been troubled by Mercola in the past few years, and how very commercial

he seems to have become. He often claims that there is only ONE brand of a

certain supplement he recommends, and you can ONLY buy it from HIM. I was

also a bit disturbed that he was selling radar detectors - encouraging

people to speed. How many auto accidents could have been prevented had

not the participant been speeding? Why is a physician selling radar

detectors?

I find it disappointing that he no longer supports the AP, even though he

admits that he used it in the past and found it helpful, and that Dr. Brown

helped thousands of people. He claims that diet and lifestyle can fix

anything, but I was too far gone, too sick. The AP saved my life. I wish

that Mercola and Marshall and many others out there would come together,

remain open minded, and not let egos and firmly entrenched positions keep

polarizing the debate.

[Guest guest]

I am still confused about Dr Marshall protocol. Maybe he is right. but how about

hundreds of research and articles that show vit D prevents cancer? we all know

a healthy immune system prevents cancer. If vit D is immune supressant why it

can prevent cancer?

 Dr Mercola is money maker but he has some good points in argument against Dr

Marshall.

 

soheila

 

From: Emma Sand <seneca.whitaker@ gmail.com>

Subject: rheumatic Re: Dr. Mercola/Marshall

rheumatic@grou ps.com

Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 6:33 PM

I am not on the Marshall Protocol, but I have read www.bacteriality. com from

top to bottom. (It promotes the MP). I have to say that after reading all of

the information on the site, I find it far more thorough and compelling than

Mercola's argument against it.

I've been troubled by Mercola in the past few years, and how very commercial

he seems to have become. He often claims that there is only ONE brand of a

certain supplement he recommends, and you can ONLY buy it from HIM. I was

also a bit disturbed that he was selling radar detectors - encouraging

people to speed. How many auto accidents could have been prevented had

not the participant been speeding? Why is a physician selling radar

detectors?

I find it disappointing that he no longer supports the AP, even though he

admits that he used it in the past and found it helpful, and that Dr. Brown

helped thousands of people. He claims that diet and lifestyle can fix

anything, but I was too far gone, too sick. The AP saved my life. I wish

that Mercola and Marshall and many others out there would come together,

remain open minded, and not let egos and firmly entrenched positions keep

polarizing the debate.

[Guest guest]

I am still confused about Dr Marshall protocol. Maybe he is right. but how about

hundreds of research and articles that show vit D prevents cancer? we all know

a healthy immune system prevents cancer. If vit D is immune supressant why it

can prevent cancer?

 Dr Mercola is money maker but he has some good points in argument against Dr

Marshall.

 

soheila

 

From: Emma Sand <seneca.whitaker@ gmail.com>

Subject: rheumatic Re: Dr. Mercola/Marshall

rheumatic@grou ps.com

Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 6:33 PM

I am not on the Marshall Protocol, but I have read www.bacteriality. com from

top to bottom. (It promotes the MP). I have to say that after reading all of

the information on the site, I find it far more thorough and compelling than

Mercola's argument against it.

I've been troubled by Mercola in the past few years, and how very commercial

he seems to have become. He often claims that there is only ONE brand of a

certain supplement he recommends, and you can ONLY buy it from HIM. I was

also a bit disturbed that he was selling radar detectors - encouraging

people to speed. How many auto accidents could have been prevented had

not the participant been speeding? Why is a physician selling radar

detectors?

I find it disappointing that he no longer supports the AP, even though he

admits that he used it in the past and found it helpful, and that Dr. Brown

helped thousands of people. He claims that diet and lifestyle can fix

anything, but I was too far gone, too sick. The AP saved my life. I wish

that Mercola and Marshall and many others out there would come together,

remain open minded, and not let egos and firmly entrenched positions keep

polarizing the debate.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sohelia, I am still on the fence when it comes to Marshall and the Vit D

story.  When I was in Puerto Rico in 2007, the sun turned me almost black.  I

did feel good, but I was also in remission from being on A/P Minocin daily. 

When I got back to NY, I decided to go on Marshall and started avoiding the sun

by using an umbrella, hat & SPF 50.  I was still okay when my Vit D, 25 & 125

ratio registered a very low level.  Then winter set in and that is my worst

time.  I didn't venture from the house, lost the tan, but started to feel tired

all the time.  Meanwhile I lived in a lo lux house with my NoIR's on. 

Springtime came &  I started to feel better.  Went to Texas and added an hour or

two of sunshine late in the afternoon.  I had started the Marshall and didn't

get darker.  Still wore the NoIR's.  This winter I also had a tough time with

the cold weather even tho' I'm currently living in northern Fl.  Now it is

spring and beginning to

warm up outside and on those days when it is 70 degrees or more, I feel so much

better.  Now, we are getting ready for a move to Puerto Rico where the sun

shines all the time and it is warm year round.  This is an experiment for me and

don't know how I will react this coming winter.  Will find out!  Plan to be out

in the sun more on the farm and will post the results.  I am also moderating the

Marshall b/cause my Infectious Disease Doc asked me to stop the Benicar and I

have added the third antibiotic in Phase 3 of the Marshall.  So, I am almost

done with Marshall.  I still feel pretty good most of the time.  I get more

tired when I am cold.  My legs & feet also cramp up more when I am cold.  I seem

to blossom better when it is warm & sunny out.  So, maybe there is something to

Vit D. depravation.  So far, I have not come down with cancer.  Knock

Wood!!!!!!!~~~~Kidney stones and runaway diabetes is enough to deal with.

Will keep you in touch with the progress.  I am still experimenting with meds

and protocols and not sure where I will go from here.  Will discuss this further

with the ID doc and see what he has to say about it.  I think I will stay with

alternating three antibiotics for a while until I reach remission again.  Not

sure if I ever came out of remission as I never herxed.  I think my bad winter

blues have more to do with my reaction to cold weather and my lungs.  The lungs

are doing well.  Still have some fibrous tissue, but it is not impairing my

breathing nor exercise tolerance. Nor has it advanced any since 2005.  I guess

the Minocin keeps it in check.  Take care.  I hear that you will be meeting up

with Paty when she comes in to the city for a's wedding.  Have a great time

together & give me a ring.  I would love to talk with you both.  The best to

you, Dolores & Mike

From: Emma Sand <seneca.whitaker@ gmail.com>

Subject: rheumatic Re: Dr. Mercola/Marshall

rheumatic@grou ps.com

Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 6:33 PM

I am not on the Marshall Protocol, but I have read www.bacteriality. com from

top to bottom. (It promotes the MP). I have to say that after reading all of

the information on the site, I find it far more thorough and compelling than

Mercola's argument against it.

I've been troubled by Mercola in the past few years, and how very commercial

he seems to have become. He often claims that there is only ONE brand of a

certain supplement he recommends, and you can ONLY buy it from HIM. I was

also a bit disturbed that he was selling radar detectors - encouraging

people to speed. How many auto accidents could have been prevented had

not the participant been speeding? Why is a physician selling radar

detectors?

I find it disappointing that he no longer supports the AP, even though he

admits that he used it in the past and found it helpful, and that Dr. Brown

helped thousands of people. He claims that diet and lifestyle can fix

anything, but I was too far gone, too sick. The AP saved my life. I wish

that Mercola and Marshall and many others out there would come together,

remain open minded, and not let egos and firmly entrenched positions keep

polarizing the debate.

[Guest guest]

I'm not a fan of Dr. Mercola's either for exactly the reasons cited, but

that doesn't mean he is not knowledgeable. Dr. Chiu, an AP doc who used to

advise on this list, and as far as I know doesn't sell stuff, refuted

Marshall's take on Vitamin D. Some of his comments may be in our archives,

if you care to search.

Take care,

Ute

[Guest guest]

I don't agree with everything Marshall says, but it IS well known that

exposure to sunlight worsens lupus, dermatomyositis, and other rheumatic

conditions. When it comes to Vit D supplementation, I've had an experience

that would be well supported by Marshall, which is that it makes me feel

MUCH better initially, but later on I would have an intractable flare and

the disease would be WORSE than ever. During the time I've avoided

supplementation my disease activity has finally, steadily come down. People

with DM, lupus, etc know they have to stay out the sun. Amy Proal does an

excellent job of explaining the flaws in the Vit D/ cancer studies. The

researchers removed from the study any person who died of cancer within the

first year. Had those people been included, Vit D would have shown no

benefit at all. Amazing what a few discarded data points can do. Also Dr.

Cannell, the Vit D expert cited by Mercola, owns a company that manufactures

Vit D supplements. The day after one of his studies was published, the

company went from almost no sales to 30,000. Vit D " deficiency " is so common

in the US because the laboratory reference values were raised because the US

food supply is so widely enhanced by Vit D. My D Level, which is " low " here,

is actually perfectly normal for a healthy woman my age in a sun drenched

country that doesn't supplement.

The argument that by not supplementing we are exposing to ourselves to a

greater risk of cancer does not hold water with me, as my disease itself is

associated with a 4x greater cancer risk. By doing what was necessary to

resolve my illness, I greater lower my risk factor, especially by

attenuating all of the inflammation.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Bob & Carol Zarn <bczarn@...>wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> It has been my understanding that Dr. Mercola is no longer seeing patients

> as he is spending all his time on his newsletter in the hopes that he can

> get the health system changed whereby people will be able to use what ever

> treatment they wish. He is hoping that he can break the hold Big Pharma has

> on everyone.

> Keeping the newsletter free to the public has made it necessary for him to

> find a way to fund it continuance. He has chosen to sell products that he

> himself would or does use. At least that is what he has claimed over the

> years.

> I do not always agree with some of his points but overall I think he is

> doing a great service in keeping us informed.

>

> jmo,

>

> carol_DM

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carol,

 

I have DM and mixed connective tissue disease. I am on Minoxin (brand name) and

Biaxin because of the sinus problem I developed from the Enbrel. What did you

take on meds and supplements? I am a long way from being in remission, but I am

working on it.

 

Regards,

Eva

From: Bob & Carol Zarn <bczarn@...>

Subject: rheumatic Re: Dr. Mercola/Marshall

rheumatic

Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:50 AM

Hi All,

We are all different.

I am in remission/control of my Dermatomyositis and Mixed Connective Tissue

Disease with CREST syndrome.

Before and after going on AP, the sunshine was my best friend. It made me feel

much better.

Before reaching remission, I limited my time in the sun to avoid sunburn but

made sure that I got at least 20 minutes a day in direct sunlight (of course,

only on those days the sun actually shined) and felt much better for it.

Since reaching control, I can spend any amount of time in the sun. I recently

spent over 2 hours in direct sunlight sitting on the bow of a boat at the Great

Barrier Reef. No sunburn, no windburn, just plain joy and well being.

I guess we are all different in how we react.

We each need to do what is right for our own bodies.

take care all,

Carol

[Guest guest]

Eva,

I just read that you developed sinus problems after being on Embrel.

I had minor sinus problems until I was on Enbrel, Humira and Remicade. They

activated my sinuses and allergy problems like crazy, and they haven't calmed

down since then. I also found that I developed bad muscle cramping on those

drugs. There are so many side effects that you're not warned about. I see I'm

not the only one suffering.

Mona

rheumatic Re: Dr. Mercola/Marshall

rheumatic

Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:50 AM

Hi All,

We are all different.

I am in remission/control of my Dermatomyositis and Mixed Connective Tissue

Disease with CREST syndrome.

Before and after going on AP, the sunshine was my best friend. It made me feel

much better.

Before reaching remission, I limited my time in the sun to avoid sunburn but

made sure that I got at least 20 minutes a day in direct sunlight (of course,

only on those days the sun actually shined) and felt much better for it.

Since reaching control, I can spend any amount of time in the sun. I recently

spent over 2 hours in direct sunlight sitting on the bow of a boat at the Great

Barrier Reef. No sunburn, no windburn, just plain joy and well being.

I guess we are all different in how we react.

We each need to do what is right for our own bodies.

take care all,

Carol

[Guest guest]

Carol,

You were in the sun without sunscreen before you reached remission?

I do believe the sun is my friend, but I burn from being in the sun for 10

minutes, and it affects my skin(it has aged so much). You are lucky.

Mona

rheumatic Re: Dr. Mercola/Marshall

rheumatic

Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:50 AM

Hi All,

We are all different.

I am in remission/control of my Dermatomyositis and Mixed Connective Tissue

Disease with CREST syndrome.

Before and after going on AP, the sunshine was my best friend. It made me feel

much better.

Before reaching remission, I limited my time in the sun to avoid sunburn but

made sure that I got at least 20 minutes a day in direct sunlight (of course,

only on those days the sun actually shined) and felt much better for it.

Since reaching control, I can spend any amount of time in the sun. I recently

spent over 2 hours in direct sunlight sitting on the bow of a boat at the Great

Barrier Reef. No sunburn, no windburn, just plain joy and well being.

I guess we are all different in how we react.

We each need to do what is right for our own bodies.

take care all,

Carol

[Guest guest]

I didn't know that Enbrel and Humira could activate allergy problems. I never

had problems with allergies but I used Enbrel and Humira 18 months ago and have

had trouble with allergies ever since.

love

rheumatic Re: Dr. Mercola/Marshall

rheumatic

Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:50 AM

Hi All,

We are all different.

I am in remission/control of my Dermatomyositis and Mixed Connective Tissue

Disease with CREST syndrome.

Before and after going on AP, the sunshine was my best friend. It made me feel

much better.

Before reaching remission, I limited my time in the sun to avoid sunburn but

made sure that I got at least 20 minutes a day in direct sunlight (of course,

only on those days the sun actually shined) and felt much better for it.

Since reaching control, I can spend any amount of time in the sun. I recently

spent over 2 hours in direct sunlight sitting on the bow of a boat at the Great

Barrier Reef. No sunburn, no windburn, just plain joy and well being.

I guess we are all different in how we react.

We each need to do what is right for our own bodies.

take care all,

Carol

[Guest guest]

Mona,

 

are you still taking those meds? I am off all even Prednison and doing better.

It will take some time to stop the sinus problems. I have been taking Biaxin for

a year now. Had to take also an anti-fungal antibiotic to get rid of the fungus

in my nasal passage. And yes, the muscle cramps came right along with the

Enbrel. I am glad some one else is talking about this, I thought I was the only

one that was having sinus and allergy problems with Enbrel.

 

Eva

From: Bob & Carol Zarn <bczarnxplornet (DOT) com>

Subject: rheumatic Re: Dr. Mercola/Marshall

rheumatic@grou ps.com

Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:50 AM

Hi All,

We are all different.

I am in remission/control of my Dermatomyositis and Mixed Connective Tissue

Disease with CREST syndrome.

Before and after going on AP, the sunshine was my best friend. It made me feel

much better.

Before reaching remission, I limited my time in the sun to avoid sunburn but

made sure that I got at least 20 minutes a day in direct sunlight (of course,

only on those days the sun actually shined) and felt much better for it.

Since reaching control, I can spend any amount of time in the sun. I recently

spent over 2 hours in direct sunlight sitting on the bow of a boat at the Great

Barrier Reef. No sunburn, no windburn, just plain joy and well being.

I guess we are all different in how we react.

We each need to do what is right for our own bodies.

take care all,

Carol

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

I am so thrilled you are so fully recovered that you can spend two hours in

direct sunlight! You have reached the holy grail that all who are sick are

seeking! I myself am almost there. It's like another world from the one in

which I've been living.

I agree that everyone is different- and that was my point when I originated

this thread by criticizing Mercola. I have recovered and I did not avoid sun

until recently, nor did I do the Marshall, but it is clear that that

protocol has worked for many people. I was merely expressing disappointment

that Mercola is no longer a friend of the antibiotic protocols... especially

because this has been on my mind lately, as I will be embarking on a career

now that I'm recovered- getting a PhD and MD...and it has saddened me that

the " natural " movement is so fragmented and divided while Big Pharma

maintains a united, powerful front. I wish Mercola, Marshall and others

would unite on their similarities rather than attack their differences. I

was hoping they would be allies throughout my own career, but it seems that

anyone who deviates from either of their strict protocols will be

criticized, even if what they are doing is working. I can at least dream

about the day when all the big name health gurus will unite!

Best,

Emma

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Bob & Carol Zarn <bczarn@...>wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> We are all different.

>

> I am in remission/control of my Dermatomyositis and Mixed Connective Tissue

> Disease with CREST syndrome.

>

> Before and after going on AP, the sunshine was my best friend. It made me

> feel much better.

>

> Before reaching remission, I limited my time in the sun to avoid sunburn

> but made sure that I got at least 20 minutes a day in direct sunlight (of

> course, only on those days the sun actually shined) and felt much better for

> it.

> Since reaching control, I can spend any amount of time in the sun. I

> recently spent over 2 hours in direct sunlight sitting on the bow of a boat

> at the Great Barrier Reef. No sunburn, no windburn, just plain joy and well

> being.

>

> I guess we are all different in how we react.

>

> We each need to do what is right for our own bodies.

>

> take care all,

>

> Carol

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Emma,

best wishes on successfully completing your MD and Phd, we need all the

practioners who understand that we can get.

I worked with Mercola before he switched away from the antibotic protocal, and

I'm grateful I found him. I do find his new take a bit much.

Jan

> Hi All,

>

> We are all different.

>

> I am in remission/control of my Dermatomyositis and Mixed Connective Tissue

> Disease with CREST syndrome.

>

> Before and after going on AP, the sunshine was my best friend. It made me

> feel much better.

>

> Before reaching remission, I limited my time in the sun to avoid sunburn

> but made sure that I got at least 20 minutes a day in direct sunlight (of

> course, only on those days the sun actually shined) and felt much better for

> it.

> Since reaching control, I can spend any amount of time in the sun. I

> recently spent over 2 hours in direct sunlight sitting on the bow of a boat

> at the Great Barrier Reef. No sunburn, no windburn, just plain joy and well

> being.

>

> I guess we are all different in how we react.

>

> We each need to do what is right for our own bodies.

>

> take care all,

>

> Carol

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Emma,

best wishes on successfully completing your MD and Phd, we need all the

practioners who understand that we can get.

I worked with Mercola before he switched away from the antibotic protocal, and

I'm grateful I found him. I do find his new take a bit much.

Jan

> Hi All,

>

> We are all different.

>

> I am in remission/control of my Dermatomyositis and Mixed Connective Tissue

> Disease with CREST syndrome.

>

> Before and after going on AP, the sunshine was my best friend. It made me

> feel much better.

>

> Before reaching remission, I limited my time in the sun to avoid sunburn

> but made sure that I got at least 20 minutes a day in direct sunlight (of

> course, only on those days the sun actually shined) and felt much better for

> it.

> Since reaching control, I can spend any amount of time in the sun. I

> recently spent over 2 hours in direct sunlight sitting on the bow of a boat

> at the Great Barrier Reef. No sunburn, no windburn, just plain joy and well

> being.

>

> I guess we are all different in how we react.

>

> We each need to do what is right for our own bodies.

>

> take care all,

>

> Carol

>

>

>