RE: osteoarthritis + myycoplasma

[Guest guest]

Hi . The title " autoimmune disease " is a misnomer. We don't have

autoimmune diseases. What they mean by that is that we have micoplasmas which

are tiny bacteria w/o cell walls who penetrate our immune cells, kill their DNA

and take over. When enough have multiplied, they weaken our immune system.

This is called a Th 1 disease. Lupus, Scleroderma, Multiple Sclerosis,

Rheumatoid Arthritis, Mixed Connective Tissue Disease, Polyarthris, Sarcoidosis

and numerous other diseases fall into that category. " The Infectious Theory " ,

is still not widely recognized and most doctors are still using steroids and

teaching the younger doctors to use steroids to further shut down the immune

response. The immune response is there to protect us, but when overwhelmed we

come down with one or more of these diseases. That's why for 40+ years, they

say our diseases are incurable and people who take the steroids end up dying

from the terrible side effects they cause. If steroids

were good for you, the sport figures wouldn't be indicting the steroid users in

games of baseball, football and olympic medalists. At first, a steroid will

make you feel like superwoman. But it does nothing for the disease but wipe out

the healthy immune cells. With no immunity, you have no defense. Just a pile

of brittle bones, lots of pain, wasted muscle and eventual death.

None of us have what you call an " autoimmune disease " , per se! We have a Th

1 disease caused by micoplasmas, of which there are many, and they are quite

common. Most people carry micoplasmas. It is only when they overwhelm the

white immune cells that we come down with diseases.

You do right by taking antibiotics. These micoplasmas are slow growing and

slow dying. Further as they die off they emit a toxin which makes us sicker

while we are getting stronger. Possibly you have not given the antibiotics a

chance to work, Taken for a short time doesn't work because of the tenacity of

the micoplasmas. plus the antibiotic does not outright kill the micoplasma.

Minocin, the drug of choice, works on the micoplasmas to plug them up. They

live off of our proteins. Our DNA is made up of protein chains. The

micoplasmas live off us as a parasite robbing our strength and eventually our

lives. By plugging the micoplasmas, they no longer can use our proteins because

they can't ingest. It is only when they get weaker, that our healthy immune

cells can eliminate them by the process of phagocytosis. I don't know if you

remember the Pac-Man game where this round ball with a face chased this smaller

ball and ate them up. Once eaten, they are dead and end

up in the garbage heap where they are eliminated by the body.

Whoever told you that you do not have an autoimmune disorder was grossly

mistaken.

It took me 18 months of being on Minocin 200mg twice a day to go into

remission and that was faster than most because I never took any steroids or

other toxic drugs to begin with.

Now, I will define remission. Remission means that the disease process has

stopped progressing and it is in a resting stage. This is not a cure. So far,

no one has found the cure and we must never become complacent regarding our

health. Whenever your symptoms return, it means the micoplasmas have once more

gotten a hold of your immune cells and has weakened them to the point where you

feel tired, sick or feel pain. Then you must start the antibiotic process all

over again, but if you catch them in time, it would be for a shorter period of

time. Once you accept this and reach remission, you will still have to keep your

guard up, always, for the rest of your life unless someone finds a cure. We all

pray for that!

Lastly, because you have found antibodies of micoplasma pneumoniae, it would

behoove you to have your lungs checked at least once a year. Any cold, cough or

cold that does not go away within a reasonable time is subject to cause

permanent damage to the lungs and of course if the micoplasmas have invaded your

joints, then keep a good eye on that too.

I wish you the best. I have S/D. R/A and MCTD and I am doing well on the

medication. I am on the Marshall Protocol now and still take Minocin and

Benicar. If you want to learn more about these diseases, I urge you to buy the

Scammell Books, and the book written by

Dr. MacPherson Brown, who did much research on Micoplasmas and

developed the " Infectious Therory " and the " Antibiotic Protocol " Google the

rest and you will be giving yourself a good education on these diseases, because

even the docs have not learned this and most of them don't have a clue. We are

still in the dark ages when it comes to the Immune system, mycoplasmas and the

" Infectious Theory " Proper diet and extra rest are some of the things we do to

help keep our immune systems healthy. Lower your stresses, and keep a good

emotional and mental attitude. Do not give in to depression and above all,

embrace your limitations and enjoy your life.

Good luck and have a Happy, Healthy, Healing New Year---------- Dolores

Beckman <beckman5@...> wrote:

I have never been found to have RA or Lupus or any of the so-called

auto-immune diseases. Yet I have inflammatory polyarthris and have

had it for 8 years or so. It responded first to doxcycyline and then

that wore off. When I was put on Minocin I experienced more

improvement--my neck got better!--and I tale zithromax twice a week.

I am much better, yet I am not in remission (it's been a year). I

had a few flares on the doxycyline but not since.

When my blood was finally tested I was found to have antibodies to

mycoplasma pneumoniae--at last something showed up! I find myself

wondering of there are other folks like me, sufferers who have no

" auto-immune " disease except for the finding of mycoplasma. I would

love to hear from you and about what happened to you. I have a

rheumatologist here in Philly, but he is not experienced with the

AP. Recently I went to Dr. Whitman in NJ and had tests which were

normal. I see him again in about a week. Should I try to get IV

Clindamycin? I don't know what to hope for.

Thanks in advance.

Best,

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Delores,

Thanks for this reply. But perhaps I didn't make it clear that I

am on the AP, have read the books,

and that's why I'm on Minocin and seeing H.H. Whitman. I just

wondered if others out there have a Th 1 disease caused by Mycoplasma

when what has been found is only polyarthitis. (I put autoimmune in

quote marks to indicate that I know these are not really autoimmune

disorders.) I am grateful for information. and perhaps you are right

that a year is not long enough. I wonder if you think the IV

Clindamycin would help.

On Jan 18, 2008, at 5:52 AM, mike rosner wrote:

> Hi . The title " autoimmune disease " is a misnomer. We don't

> have autoimmune diseases. What they mean by that is that we have

> micoplasmas which are tiny bacteria w/o cell walls who penetrate

> our immune cells, kill their DNA and take over. When enough have

> multiplied, they weaken our immune system. This is called a Th 1

> disease. Lupus, Scleroderma, Multiple Sclerosis, Rheumatoid

> Arthritis, Mixed Connective Tissue Disease, Polyarthris,

> Sarcoidosis and numerous other diseases fall into that category.

> " The Infectious Theory " , is still not widely recognized and most

> doctors are still using steroids and teaching the younger doctors

> to use steroids to further shut down the immune response. The

> immune response is there to protect us, but when overwhelmed we

> come down with one or more of these diseases. That's why for 40+

> years, they say our diseases are incurable and people who take the

> steroids end up dying from the terrible side effects they cause. If

> steroids

> were good for you, the sport figures wouldn't be indicting the

> steroid users in games of baseball, football and olympic medalists.

> At first, a steroid will make you feel like superwoman. But it does

> nothing for the disease but wipe out the healthy immune cells. With

> no immunity, you have no defense. Just a pile of brittle bones,

> lots of pain, wasted muscle and eventual death.

>

> None of us have what you call an " autoimmune disease " , per se! We

> have a Th 1 disease caused by micoplasmas, of which there are many,

> and they are quite common. Most people carry micoplasmas. It is

> only when they overwhelm the white immune cells that we come down

> with diseases.

>

> You do right by taking antibiotics. These micoplasmas are slow

> growing and slow dying. Further as they die off they emit a toxin

> which makes us sicker while we are getting stronger. Possibly you

> have not given the antibiotics a chance to work, Taken for a short

> time doesn't work because of the tenacity of the micoplasmas. plus

> the antibiotic does not outright kill the micoplasma. Minocin, the

> drug of choice, works on the micoplasmas to plug them up. They live

> off of our proteins. Our DNA is made up of protein chains. The

> micoplasmas live off us as a parasite robbing our strength and

> eventually our lives. By plugging the micoplasmas, they no longer

> can use our proteins because they can't ingest. It is only when

> they get weaker, that our healthy immune cells can eliminate them

> by the process of phagocytosis. I don't know if you remember the

> Pac-Man game where this round ball with a face chased this smaller

> ball and ate them up. Once eaten, they are dead and end

> up in the garbage heap where they are eliminated by the body.

>

> Whoever told you that you do not have an autoimmune disorder was

> grossly mistaken.

> It took me 18 months of being on Minocin 200mg twice a day to go

> into remission and that was faster than most because I never took

> any steroids or other toxic drugs to begin with.

>

> Now, I will define remission. Remission means that the disease

> process has stopped progressing and it is in a resting stage. This

> is not a cure. So far, no one has found the cure and we must never

> become complacent regarding our health. Whenever your symptoms

> return, it means the micoplasmas have once more gotten a hold of

> your immune cells and has weakened them to the point where you feel

> tired, sick or feel pain. Then you must start the antibiotic

> process all over again, but if you catch them in time, it would be

> for a shorter period of time. Once you accept this and reach

> remission, you will still have to keep your guard up, always, for

> the rest of your life unless someone finds a cure. We all pray for

> that!

>

> Lastly, because you have found antibodies of micoplasma pneumoniae,

> it would behoove you to have your lungs checked at least once a

> year. Any cold, cough or cold that does not go away within a

> reasonable time is subject to cause permanent damage to the lungs

> and of course if the micoplasmas have invaded your joints, then

> keep a good eye on that too.

>

> I wish you the best. I have S/D. R/A and MCTD and I am doing well

> on the medication. I am on the Marshall Protocol now and still take

> Minocin and Benicar. If you want to learn more about these

> diseases, I urge you to buy the Scammell Books, and the book

> written by

> Dr. MacPherson Brown, who did much research on Micoplasmas

> and developed the " Infectious Therory " and the " Antibiotic

> Protocol " Google the rest and you will be giving yourself a good

> education on these diseases, because even the docs have not learned

> this and most of them don't have a clue. We are still in the dark

> ages when it comes to the Immune system, mycoplasmas and the

> " Infectious Theory " Proper diet and extra rest are some of the

> things we do to help keep our immune systems healthy. Lower your

> stresses, and keep a good emotional and mental attitude. Do not

> give in to depression and above all, embrace your limitations and

> enjoy your life.

>

> Good luck and have a Happy, Healthy, Healing New Year----------

> Dolores

>

> Beckman <beckman5@...> wrote:

> I have never been found to have RA or Lupus or any of the so-called

> auto-immune diseases. Yet I have inflammatory polyarthris and have

> had it for 8 years or so. It responded first to doxcycyline and then

> that wore off. When I was put on Minocin I experienced more

> improvement--my neck got better!--and I tale zithromax twice a week.

> I am much better, yet I am not in remission (it's been a year). I

> had a few flares on the doxycyline but not since.

>

> When my blood was finally tested I was found to have antibodies to

> mycoplasma pneumoniae--at last something showed up! I find myself

> wondering of there are other folks like me, sufferers who have no

> " auto-immune " disease except for the finding of mycoplasma. I would

> love to hear from you and about what happened to you. I have a

> rheumatologist here in Philly, but he is not experienced with the

> AP. Recently I went to Dr. Whitman in NJ and had tests which were

> normal. I see him again in about a week. Should I try to get IV

> Clindamycin? I don't know what to hope for.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Best,

>

> ---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Delores,

Thanks for this reply. But perhaps I didn't make it clear that I

am on the AP, have read the books,

and that's why I'm on Minocin and seeing H.H. Whitman. I just

wondered if others out there have a Th 1 disease caused by Mycoplasma

when what has been found is only polyarthitis. (I put autoimmune in

quote marks to indicate that I know these are not really autoimmune

disorders.) I am grateful for information. and perhaps you are right

that a year is not long enough. I appreciated your description of

remission. I wonder if you think the IVClindamycin would help.

On Jan 18, 2008, at 5:52 AM, mike rosner wrote:

> Hi . The title " autoimmune disease " is a misnomer. We don't

> have autoimmune diseases. What they mean by that is that we have

> micoplasmas which are tiny bacteria w/o cell walls who penetrate

> our immune cells, kill their DNA and take over. When enough have

> multiplied, they weaken our immune system. This is called a Th 1

> disease. Lupus, Scleroderma, Multiple Sclerosis, Rheumatoid

> Arthritis, Mixed Connective Tissue Disease, Polyarthris,

> Sarcoidosis and numerous other diseases fall into that category.

> " The Infectious Theory " , is still not widely recognized and most

> doctors are still using steroids and teaching the younger doctors

> to use steroids to further shut down the immune response. The

> immune response is there to protect us, but when overwhelmed we

> come down with one or more of these diseases. That's why for 40+

> years, they say our diseases are incurable and people who take the

> steroids end up dying from the terrible side effects they cause. If

> steroids

> were good for you, the sport figures wouldn't be indicting the

> steroid users in games of baseball, football and olympic medalists.

> At first, a steroid will make you feel like superwoman. But it does

> nothing for the disease but wipe out the healthy immune cells. With

> no immunity, you have no defense. Just a pile of brittle bones,

> lots of pain, wasted muscle and eventual death.

>

> None of us have what you call an " autoimmune disease " , per se! We

> have a Th 1 disease caused by micoplasmas, of which there are many,

> and they are quite common. Most people carry micoplasmas. It is

> only when they overwhelm the white immune cells that we come down

> with diseases.

>

> You do right by taking antibiotics. These micoplasmas are slow

> growing and slow dying. Further as they die off they emit a toxin

> which makes us sicker while we are getting stronger. Possibly you

> have not given the antibiotics a chance to work, Taken for a short

> time doesn't work because of the tenacity of the micoplasmas. plus

> the antibiotic does not outright kill the micoplasma. Minocin, the

> drug of choice, works on the micoplasmas to plug them up. They live

> off of our proteins. Our DNA is made up of protein chains. The

> micoplasmas live off us as a parasite robbing our strength and

> eventually our lives. By plugging the micoplasmas, they no longer

> can use our proteins because they can't ingest. It is only when

> they get weaker, that our healthy immune cells can eliminate them

> by the process of phagocytosis. I don't know if you remember the

> Pac-Man game where this round ball with a face chased this smaller

> ball and ate them up. Once eaten, they are dead and end

> up in the garbage heap where they are eliminated by the body.

>

> Whoever told you that you do not have an autoimmune disorder was

> grossly mistaken.

> It took me 18 months of being on Minocin 200mg twice a day to go

> into remission and that was faster than most because I never took

> any steroids or other toxic drugs to begin with.

>

> Now, I will define remission. Remission means that the disease

> process has stopped progressing and it is in a resting stage. This

> is not a cure. So far, no one has found the cure and we must never

> become complacent regarding our health. Whenever your symptoms

> return, it means the micoplasmas have once more gotten a hold of

> your immune cells and has weakened them to the point where you feel

> tired, sick or feel pain. Then you must start the antibiotic

> process all over again, but if you catch them in time, it would be

> for a shorter period of time. Once you accept this and reach

> remission, you will still have to keep your guard up, always, for

> the rest of your life unless someone finds a cure. We all pray for

> that!

>

> Lastly, because you have found antibodies of micoplasma pneumoniae,

> it would behoove you to have your lungs checked at least once a

> year. Any cold, cough or cold that does not go away within a

> reasonable time is subject to cause permanent damage to the lungs

> and of course if the micoplasmas have invaded your joints, then

> keep a good eye on that too.

>

> I wish you the best. I have S/D. R/A and MCTD and I am doing well

> on the medication. I am on the Marshall Protocol now and still take

> Minocin and Benicar. If you want to learn more about these

> diseases, I urge you to buy the Scammell Books, and the book

> written by

> Dr. MacPherson Brown, who did much research on Micoplasmas

> and developed the " Infectious Therory " and the " Antibiotic

> Protocol " Google the rest and you will be giving yourself a good

> education on these diseases, because even the docs have not learned

> this and most of them don't have a clue. We are still in the dark

> ages when it comes to the Immune system, mycoplasmas and the

> " Infectious Theory " Proper diet and extra rest are some of the

> things we do to help keep our immune systems healthy. Lower your

> stresses, and keep a good emotional and mental attitude. Do not

> give in to depression and above all, embrace your limitations and

> enjoy your life.

>

> Good luck and have a Happy, Healthy, Healing New Year----------

> Dolores

>

> Beckman <beckman5@...> wrote:

> I have never been found to have RA or Lupus or any of the so-called

> auto-immune diseases. Yet I have inflammatory polyarthris and have

> had it for 8 years or so. It responded first to doxcycyline and then

> that wore off. When I was put on Minocin I experienced more

> improvement--my neck got better!--and I tale zithromax twice a week.

> I am much better, yet I am not in remission (it's been a year). I

> had a few flares on the doxycyline but not since.

>

> When my blood was finally tested I was found to have antibodies to

> mycoplasma pneumoniae--at last something showed up! I find myself

> wondering of there are other folks like me, sufferers who have no

> " auto-immune " disease except for the finding of mycoplasma. I would

> love to hear from you and about what happened to you. I have a

> rheumatologist here in Philly, but he is not experienced with the

> AP. Recently I went to Dr. Whitman in NJ and had tests which were

> normal. I see him again in about a week. Should I try to get IV

> Clindamycin? I don't know what to hope for.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Best,

>

> ---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

I'm curious have you ever tried long term Diflucan as treatment?

Besides having the Crest I am also battling Lyme disease so I am on

a treatment referred to as the Schardt protocol. In a nutshell it

consists of taking 200mg Diflucan daily for 50 days then taking high

dose antibiotic for 50 days then starting the cycle over again. I

usually take Minocin during the antibiotic phase. I've noticed when

I am in the Diflucan phase I feel very strong and I notice the skin

symptoms of the Crest/Sclerderma dwindle away. So I would like to

know if anyone else has experienced this with Diflucan?

Oh and by the way the reason for taking Diflucan for Lyme is because

the medicine will block a specific liver pathway that the Lyme

spirochetes use to travel. By blocking the pathway you interfere

with the spirochete's lifecycle and cause them to die. Yes you must

be careful what other medications you use at same time because they

can't use the same liver pathway as the one you're trying to block

or it can cause problems. Its a brilliant protocol developed by a

German doctor who contracted Lyme.

> I have never been found to have RA or Lupus or any of

the so-called

> auto-immune diseases. Yet I have inflammatory polyarthris and have

> had it for 8 years or so. It responded first to doxcycyline and

then

> that wore off. When I was put on Minocin I experienced more

> improvement--my neck got better!--and I tale zithromax twice a

week.

> I am much better, yet I am not in remission (it's been a year). I

> had a few flares on the doxycyline but not since.

>

> When my blood was finally tested I was found to have antibodies to

> mycoplasma pneumoniae--at last something showed up! I find myself

> wondering of there are other folks like me, sufferers who have no

> " auto-immune " disease except for the finding of mycoplasma. I

would

> love to hear from you and about what happened to you. I have a

> rheumatologist here in Philly, but he is not experienced with the

> AP. Recently I went to Dr. Whitman in NJ and had tests which were

> normal. I see him again in about a week. Should I try to get IV

> Clindamycin? I don't know what to hope for.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Best,

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi , I have never tried the clindamycin IV, but hey, I've been told that I

have a terminal illness, What have we got to lose. That's how I felt when I

learned I had S/D. My docs were against antibiotics and I was against steroids

(my cousin was treated with steroids for Lupus and he died a horrible death) so

I figured I had nothing to lose. I believe that once I get to the second stage

on M/P, they add oral clindamycin. I have heard many people who have done it.

Try it, what have you got to lose? Stay in touch and let us know. I'm glad you

know all about these diseases, but I wrote it out for others as well. There are

many newbies out there who are hearing this for the first time. Every once in a

while, I will send it out for them Thank you for getting me to make the post

one more time. Dolores

Beckman <beckman5@...> wrote: Delores,

Thanks for this reply. But perhaps I didn't make it clear that I

am on the AP, have read the books,

and that's why I'm on Minocin and seeing H.H. Whitman. I just

wondered if others out there have a Th 1 disease caused by Mycoplasma

when what has been found is only polyarthitis. (I put autoimmune in

quote marks to indicate that I know these are not really autoimmune

disorders.) I am grateful for information. and perhaps you are right

that a year is not long enough. I appreciated your description of

remission. I wonder if you think the IVClindamycin would help.

On Jan 18, 2008, at 5:52 AM, mike rosner wrote:

> Hi . The title " autoimmune disease " is a misnomer. We don't

> have autoimmune diseases. What they mean by that is that we have

> micoplasmas which are tiny bacteria w/o cell walls who penetrate

> our immune cells, kill their DNA and take over. When enough have

> multiplied, they weaken our immune system. This is called a Th 1

> disease. Lupus, Scleroderma, Multiple Sclerosis, Rheumatoid

> Arthritis, Mixed Connective Tissue Disease, Polyarthris,

> Sarcoidosis and numerous other diseases fall into that category.

> " The Infectious Theory " , is still not widely recognized and most

> doctors are still using steroids and teaching the younger doctors

> to use steroids to further shut down the immune response. The

> immune response is there to protect us, but when overwhelmed we

> come down with one or more of these diseases. That's why for 40+

> years, they say our diseases are incurable and people who take the

> steroids end up dying from the terrible side effects they cause. If

> steroids

> were good for you, the sport figures wouldn't be indicting the

> steroid users in games of baseball, football and olympic medalists.

> At first, a steroid will make you feel like superwoman. But it does

> nothing for the disease but wipe out the healthy immune cells. With

> no immunity, you have no defense. Just a pile of brittle bones,

> lots of pain, wasted muscle and eventual death.

>

> None of us have what you call an " autoimmune disease " , per se! We

> have a Th 1 disease caused by micoplasmas, of which there are many,

> and they are quite common. Most people carry micoplasmas. It is

> only when they overwhelm the white immune cells that we come down

> with diseases.

>

> You do right by taking antibiotics. These micoplasmas are slow

> growing and slow dying. Further as they die off they emit a toxin

> which makes us sicker while we are getting stronger. Possibly you

> have not given the antibiotics a chance to work, Taken for a short

> time doesn't work because of the tenacity of the micoplasmas. plus

> the antibiotic does not outright kill the micoplasma. Minocin, the

> drug of choice, works on the micoplasmas to plug them up. They live

> off of our proteins. Our DNA is made up of protein chains. The

> micoplasmas live off us as a parasite robbing our strength and

> eventually our lives. By plugging the micoplasmas, they no longer

> can use our proteins because they can't ingest. It is only when

> they get weaker, that our healthy immune cells can eliminate them

> by the process of phagocytosis. I don't know if you remember the

> Pac-Man game where this round ball with a face chased this smaller

> ball and ate them up. Once eaten, they are dead and end

> up in the garbage heap where they are eliminated by the body.

>

> Whoever told you that you do not have an autoimmune disorder was

> grossly mistaken.

> It took me 18 months of being on Minocin 200mg twice a day to go

> into remission and that was faster than most because I never took

> any steroids or other toxic drugs to begin with.

>

> Now, I will define remission. Remission means that the disease

> process has stopped progressing and it is in a resting stage. This

> is not a cure. So far, no one has found the cure and we must never

> become complacent regarding our health. Whenever your symptoms

> return, it means the micoplasmas have once more gotten a hold of

> your immune cells and has weakened them to the point where you feel

> tired, sick or feel pain. Then you must start the antibiotic

> process all over again, but if you catch them in time, it would be

> for a shorter period of time. Once you accept this and reach

> remission, you will still have to keep your guard up, always, for

> the rest of your life unless someone finds a cure. We all pray for

> that!

>

> Lastly, because you have found antibodies of micoplasma pneumoniae,

> it would behoove you to have your lungs checked at least once a

> year. Any cold, cough or cold that does not go away within a

> reasonable time is subject to cause permanent damage to the lungs

> and of course if the micoplasmas have invaded your joints, then

> keep a good eye on that too.

>

> I wish you the best. I have S/D. R/A and MCTD and I am doing well

> on the medication. I am on the Marshall Protocol now and still take

> Minocin and Benicar. If you want to learn more about these

> diseases, I urge you to buy the Scammell Books, and the book

> written by

> Dr. MacPherson Brown, who did much research on Micoplasmas

> and developed the " Infectious Therory " and the " Antibiotic

> Protocol " Google the rest and you will be giving yourself a good

> education on these diseases, because even the docs have not learned

> this and most of them don't have a clue. We are still in the dark

> ages when it comes to the Immune system, mycoplasmas and the

> " Infectious Theory " Proper diet and extra rest are some of the

> things we do to help keep our immune systems healthy. Lower your

> stresses, and keep a good emotional and mental attitude. Do not

> give in to depression and above all, embrace your limitations and

> enjoy your life.

>

> Good luck and have a Happy, Healthy, Healing New Year----------

> Dolores

>

> Beckman <beckman5@...> wrote:

> I have never been found to have RA or Lupus or any of the so-called

> auto-immune diseases. Yet I have inflammatory polyarthris and have

> had it for 8 years or so. It responded first to doxcycyline and then

> that wore off. When I was put on Minocin I experienced more

> improvement--my neck got better!--and I tale zithromax twice a week.

> I am much better, yet I am not in remission (it's been a year). I

> had a few flares on the doxycyline but not since.

>

> When my blood was finally tested I was found to have antibodies to

> mycoplasma pneumoniae--at last something showed up! I find myself

> wondering of there are other folks like me, sufferers who have no

> " auto-immune " disease except for the finding of mycoplasma. I would

> love to hear from you and about what happened to you. I have a

> rheumatologist here in Philly, but he is not experienced with the

> AP. Recently I went to Dr. Whitman in NJ and had tests which were

> normal. I see him again in about a week. Should I try to get IV

> Clindamycin? I don't know what to hope for.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Best,

>

> ---------------------------------

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Dolores, thanks for sharing your insight. I've never heard such a detailed or

authoritative explanation of the nature of my disease before. Seeme like

everytime I inquired with my doctor he'd say that he'd let me know if anything

comes up at the annual ACR conference. I am prompted to print this out and show

it to him, as he has never been able to explain these things in such easily

comprehendable terms before. Perhaps it will elicit a " Belushi " moment from

him..... " 4 years of college, 4 years of med school, 2 years of residency,

Certification boards......wasted!!! " Though your sports reference is a bit

askew.....they take ANABOLIC steroids (except for Bury Bonds of course), which

are much different, and baseball's not concerned with their health, but with a

" level playing field. " Or at least that's the claim.

I wonder where this insight comes from. This is potential Nobel prize stuff.

All this time while all those NIH PhDs have been diddling about, they could have

drawn our blood, separated the plasma and cracked open a bunch of neutrophils

and some of their lymphocyte buddies and they would be in mycoplasma city...next

stop Stockholm immortality.

As I read your account, it made me also wonder if the mycoplasma could possibly

invade non-immunity cells, i.e. brain cells....especially in the areas where

cognitive thinking takes place??

Jeff

rheumatic

From: martysfolks2004@...

Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:38:03 -0800

Subject: Re: rheumatic osteoarthritis + myycoplasma

Hi , I have never tried the clindamycin IV, but hey, I've been

told that I have a terminal illness, What have we got to lose. That's how I

felt when I learned I had S/D. My docs were against antibiotics and I was

against steroids (my cousin was treated with steroids for Lupus and he died a

horrible death) so I figured I had nothing to lose. I believe that once I get

to the second stage on M/P, they add oral clindamycin. I have heard many people

who have done it. Try it, what have you got to lose? Stay in touch and let us

know. I'm glad you know all about these diseases, but I wrote it out for others

as well. There are many newbies out there who are hearing this for the first

time. Every once in a while, I will send it out for them Thank you for

getting me to make the post one more time. Dolores

Beckman <beckman5@...> wrote: Delores,

Thanks for this reply. But perhaps I didn't make it clear that I

am on the AP, have read the books,

and that's why I'm on Minocin and seeing H.H. Whitman. I just

wondered if others out there have a Th 1 disease caused by Mycoplasma

when what has been found is only polyarthitis. (I put autoimmune in

quote marks to indicate that I know these are not really autoimmune

disorders.) I am grateful for information. and perhaps you are right

that a year is not long enough. I appreciated your description of

remission. I wonder if you think the IVClindamycin would help.

On Jan 18, 2008, at 5:52 AM, mike rosner wrote:

> Hi . The title " autoimmune disease " is a misnomer. We don't

> have autoimmune diseases. What they mean by that is that we have

> micoplasmas which are tiny bacteria w/o cell walls who penetrate

> our immune cells, kill their DNA and take over. When enough have

> multiplied, they weaken our immune system. This is called a Th 1

> disease. Lupus, Scleroderma, Multiple Sclerosis, Rheumatoid

> Arthritis, Mixed Connective Tissue Disease, Polyarthris,

> Sarcoidosis and numerous other diseases fall into that category.

> " The Infectious Theory " , is still not widely recognized and most

> doctors are still using steroids and teaching the younger doctors

> to use steroids to further shut down the immune response. The

> immune response is there to protect us, but when overwhelmed we

> come down with one or more of these diseases. That's why for 40+

> years, they say our diseases are incurable and people who take the

> steroids end up dying from the terrible side effects they cause. If

> steroids

> were good for you, the sport figures wouldn't be indicting the

> steroid users in games of baseball, football and olympic medalists.

> At first, a steroid will make you feel like superwoman. But it does

> nothing for the disease but wipe out the healthy immune cells. With

> no immunity, you have no defense. Just a pile of brittle bones,

> lots of pain, wasted muscle and eventual death.

>

> None of us have what you call an " autoimmune disease " , per se! We

> have a Th 1 disease caused by micoplasmas, of which there are many,

> and they are quite common. Most people carry micoplasmas. It is

> only when they overwhelm the white immune cells that we come down

> with diseases.

>

> You do right by taking antibiotics. These micoplasmas are slow

> growing and slow dying. Further as they die off they emit a toxin

> which makes us sicker while we are getting stronger. Possibly you

> have not given the antibiotics a chance to work, Taken for a short

> time doesn't work because of the tenacity of the micoplasmas. plus

> the antibiotic does not outright kill the micoplasma. Minocin, the

> drug of choice, works on the micoplasmas to plug them up. They live

> off of our proteins. Our DNA is made up of protein chains. The

> micoplasmas live off us as a parasite robbing our strength and

> eventually our lives. By plugging the micoplasmas, they no longer

> can use our proteins because they can't ingest. It is only when

> they get weaker, that our healthy immune cells can eliminate them

> by the process of phagocytosis. I don't know if you remember the

> Pac-Man game where this round ball with a face chased this smaller

> ball and ate them up. Once eaten, they are dead and end

> up in the garbage heap where they are eliminated by the body.

>

> Whoever told you that you do not have an autoimmune disorder was

> grossly mistaken.

> It took me 18 months of being on Minocin 200mg twice a day to go

> into remission and that was faster than most because I never took

> any steroids or other toxic drugs to begin with.

>

> Now, I will define remission. Remission means that the disease

> process has stopped progressing and it is in a resting stage. This

> is not a cure. So far, no one has found the cure and we must never

> become complacent regarding our health. Whenever your symptoms

> return, it means the micoplasmas have once more gotten a hold of

> your immune cells and has weakened them to the point where you feel

> tired, sick or feel pain. Then you must start the antibiotic

> process all over again, but if you catch them in time, it would be

> for a shorter period of time. Once you accept this and reach

> remission, you will still have to keep your guard up, always, for

> the rest of your life unless someone finds a cure. We all pray for

> that!

>

> Lastly, because you have found antibodies of micoplasma pneumoniae,

> it would behoove you to have your lungs checked at least once a

> year. Any cold, cough or cold that does not go away within a

> reasonable time is subject to cause permanent damage to the lungs

> and of course if the micoplasmas have invaded your joints, then

> keep a good eye on that too.

>

> I wish you the best. I have S/D. R/A and MCTD and I am doing well

> on the medication. I am on the Marshall Protocol now and still take

> Minocin and Benicar. If you want to learn more about these

> diseases, I urge you to buy the Scammell Books, and the book

> written by

> Dr. MacPherson Brown, who did much research on Micoplasmas

> and developed the " Infectious Therory " and the " Antibiotic

> Protocol " Google the rest and you will be giving yourself a good

> education on these diseases, because even the docs have not learned

> this and most of them don't have a clue. We are still in the dark

> ages when it comes to the Immune system, mycoplasmas and the

> " Infectious Theory " Proper diet and extra rest are some of the

> things we do to help keep our immune systems healthy. Lower your

> stresses, and keep a good emotional and mental attitude. Do not

> give in to depression and above all, embrace your limitations and

> enjoy your life.

>

> Good luck and have a Happy, Healthy, Healing New Year----------

> Dolores

>

> Beckman <beckman5@...> wrote:

> I have never been found to have RA or Lupus or any of the so-called

> auto-immune diseases. Yet I have inflammatory polyarthris and have

> had it for 8 years or so. It responded first to doxcycyline and then

> that wore off. When I was put on Minocin I experienced more

> improvement--my neck got better!--and I tale zithromax twice a week.

> I am much better, yet I am not in remission (it's been a year). I

> had a few flares on the doxycyline but not since.

>

> When my blood was finally tested I was found to have antibodies to

> mycoplasma pneumoniae--at last something showed up! I find myself

> wondering of there are other folks like me, sufferers who have no

> " auto-immune " disease except for the finding of mycoplasma. I would

> love to hear from you and about what happened to you. I have a

> rheumatologist here in Philly, but he is not experienced with the

> AP. Recently I went to Dr. Whitman in NJ and had tests which were

> normal. I see him again in about a week. Should I try to get IV

> Clindamycin? I don't know what to hope for.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Best,

>

> ---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jeff, Thanks for the correction re: the sports world. I know little about

sports and all I hear on the TV is that they are taking away medals from Olympic

winners and indicting ball player because of using steroids. You asked if these

micoplasmas could invade brain cells. Well, IMO, why not? They are

Cell-wall-Deficient organisms which easily penetrate immune cells to get at the

protein in the DNA. I don't know if they are specific to Immune cells only, but

I've read so much about brain fog and have experienced it myself during my

bedridden days that there mut be a connection. Why don't you follow that trail

and find out for us? Maybe you can come up with the Nobel Prize. I just want

someone to find the cure.

Take care and keep watching those sports guys. they get larger and bulkier

each season. Never saw the Frat House Belushi film so I have no idea what you

meant. Best to you, I like your style.~~~~~~Dolores & Mike

Jeffery <jefferysa@...> wrote:

Dolores, thanks for sharing your insight. I've never heard such a detailed or

authoritative explanation of the nature of my disease before. Seeme like

everytime I inquired with my doctor he'd say that he'd let me know if anything

comes up at the annual ACR conference. I am prompted to print this out and show

it to him, as he has never been able to explain these things in such easily

comprehendable terms before. Perhaps it will elicit a " Belushi " moment from

him..... " 4 years of college, 4 years of med school, 2 years of residency,

Certification boards......wasted!!! " Though your sports reference is a bit

askew.....they take ANABOLIC steroids (except for Bury Bonds of course), which

are much different, and baseball's not concerned with their health, but with a

" level playing field. " Or at least that's the claim.

I wonder where this insight comes from. This is potential Nobel prize stuff. All

this time while all those NIH PhDs have been diddling about, they could have

drawn our blood, separated the plasma and cracked open a bunch of neutrophils

and some of their lymphocyte buddies and they would be in mycoplasma city...next

stop Stockholm immortality.

As I read your account, it made me also wonder if the mycoplasma could possibly

invade non-immunity cells, i.e. brain cells....especially in the areas where

cognitive thinking takes place??

Jeff

rheumatic

From: martysfolks2004@...

Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:38:03 -0800

Subject: Re: rheumatic osteoarthritis + myycoplasma

Hi , I have never tried the clindamycin IV, but hey, I've been told that I

have a terminal illness, What have we got to lose. That's how I felt when I

learned I had S/D. My docs were against antibiotics and I was against steroids

(my cousin was treated with steroids for Lupus and he died a horrible death) so

I figured I had nothing to lose. I believe that once I get to the second stage

on M/P, they add oral clindamycin. I have heard many people who have done it.

Try it, what have you got to lose? Stay in touch and let us know. I'm glad you

know all about these diseases, but I wrote it out for others as well. There are

many newbies out there who are hearing this for the first time. Every once in a

while, I will send it out for them Thank you for getting me to make the post one

more time. Dolores

Beckman <beckman5@...> wrote: Delores,

Thanks for this reply. But perhaps I didn't make it clear that I

am on the AP, have read the books,

and that's why I'm on Minocin and seeing H.H. Whitman. I just

wondered if others out there have a Th 1 disease caused by Mycoplasma

when what has been found is only polyarthitis. (I put autoimmune in

quote marks to indicate that I know these are not really autoimmune

disorders.) I am grateful for information. and perhaps you are right

that a year is not long enough. I appreciated your description of

remission. I wonder if you think the IVClindamycin would help.

On Jan 18, 2008, at 5:52 AM, mike rosner wrote:

> Hi . The title " autoimmune disease " is a misnomer. We don't

> have autoimmune diseases. What they mean by that is that we have

> micoplasmas which are tiny bacteria w/o cell walls who penetrate

> our immune cells, kill their DNA and take over. When enough have

> multiplied, they weaken our immune system. This is called a Th 1

> disease. Lupus, Scleroderma, Multiple Sclerosis, Rheumatoid

> Arthritis, Mixed Connective Tissue Disease, Polyarthris,

> Sarcoidosis and numerous other diseases fall into that category.

> " The Infectious Theory " , is still not widely recognized and most

> doctors are still using steroids and teaching the younger doctors

> to use steroids to further shut down the immune response. The

> immune response is there to protect us, but when overwhelmed we

> come down with one or more of these diseases. That's why for 40+

> years, they say our diseases are incurable and people who take the

> steroids end up dying from the terrible side effects they cause. If

> steroids

> were good for you, the sport figures wouldn't be indicting the

> steroid users in games of baseball, football and olympic medalists.

> At first, a steroid will make you feel like superwoman. But it does

> nothing for the disease but wipe out the healthy immune cells. With

> no immunity, you have no defense. Just a pile of brittle bones,

> lots of pain, wasted muscle and eventual death.

>

> None of us have what you call an " autoimmune disease " , per se! We

> have a Th 1 disease caused by micoplasmas, of which there are many,

> and they are quite common. Most people carry micoplasmas. It is

> only when they overwhelm the white immune cells that we come down

> with diseases.

>

> You do right by taking antibiotics. These micoplasmas are slow

> growing and slow dying. Further as they die off they emit a toxin

> which makes us sicker while we are getting stronger. Possibly you

> have not given the antibiotics a chance to work, Taken for a short

> time doesn't work because of the tenacity of the micoplasmas. plus

> the antibiotic does not outright kill the micoplasma. Minocin, the

> drug of choice, works on the micoplasmas to plug them up. They live

> off of our proteins. Our DNA is made up of protein chains. The

> micoplasmas live off us as a parasite robbing our strength and

> eventually our lives. By plugging the micoplasmas, they no longer

> can use our proteins because they can't ingest. It is only when

> they get weaker, that our healthy immune cells can eliminate them

> by the process of phagocytosis. I don't know if you remember the

> Pac-Man game where this round ball with a face chased this smaller

> ball and ate them up. Once eaten, they are dead and end

> up in the garbage heap where they are eliminated by the body.

>

> Whoever told you that you do not have an autoimmune disorder was

> grossly mistaken.

> It took me 18 months of being on Minocin 200mg twice a day to go

> into remission and that was faster than most because I never took

> any steroids or other toxic drugs to begin with.

>

> Now, I will define remission. Remission means that the disease

> process has stopped progressing and it is in a resting stage. This

> is not a cure. So far, no one has found the cure and we must never

> become complacent regarding our health. Whenever your symptoms

> return, it means the micoplasmas have once more gotten a hold of

> your immune cells and has weakened them to the point where you feel

> tired, sick or feel pain. Then you must start the antibiotic

> process all over again, but if you catch them in time, it would be

> for a shorter period of time. Once you accept this and reach

> remission, you will still have to keep your guard up, always, for

> the rest of your life unless someone finds a cure. We all pray for

> that!

>

> Lastly, because you have found antibodies of micoplasma pneumoniae,

> it would behoove you to have your lungs checked at least once a

> year. Any cold, cough or cold that does not go away within a

> reasonable time is subject to cause permanent damage to the lungs

> and of course if the micoplasmas have invaded your joints, then

> keep a good eye on that too.

>

> I wish you the best. I have S/D. R/A and MCTD and I am doing well

> on the medication. I am on the Marshall Protocol now and still take

> Minocin and Benicar. If you want to learn more about these

> diseases, I urge you to buy the Scammell Books, and the book

> written by

> Dr. MacPherson Brown, who did much research on Micoplasmas

> and developed the " Infectious Therory " and the " Antibiotic

> Protocol " Google the rest and you will be giving yourself a good

> education on these diseases, because even the docs have not learned

> this and most of them don't have a clue. We are still in the dark

> ages when it comes to the Immune system, mycoplasmas and the

> " Infectious Theory " Proper diet and extra rest are some of the

> things we do to help keep our immune systems healthy. Lower your

> stresses, and keep a good emotional and mental attitude. Do not

> give in to depression and above all, embrace your limitations and

> enjoy your life.

>

> Good luck and have a Happy, Healthy, Healing New Year----------

> Dolores

>

> Beckman <beckman5@...> wrote:

> I have never been found to have RA or Lupus or any of the so-called

> auto-immune diseases. Yet I have inflammatory polyarthris and have

> had it for 8 years or so. It responded first to doxcycyline and then

> that wore off. When I was put on Minocin I experienced more

> improvement--my neck got better!--and I tale zithromax twice a week.

> I am much better, yet I am not in remission (it's been a year). I

> had a few flares on the doxycyline but not since.

>

> When my blood was finally tested I was found to have antibodies to

> mycoplasma pneumoniae--at last something showed up! I find myself

> wondering of there are other folks like me, sufferers who have no

> " auto-immune " disease except for the finding of mycoplasma. I would

> love to hear from you and about what happened to you. I have a

> rheumatologist here in Philly, but he is not experienced with the

> AP. Recently I went to Dr. Whitman in NJ and had tests which were

> normal. I see him again in about a week. Should I try to get IV

> Clindamycin? I don't know what to hope for.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Best,

>

> ---------------------------------

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