astaxanthin

[Guest guest]

I've been taking it for all of this year, Zippy. It's the most effective

antioxidant of the carotenoids both theoretically and for me personally,

though I alternate it with beta-carotene and lutein. I've had no problems

with it.

Rob

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From: " bhp355 " <zippy890@...>

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but I thought it was

of general interest to PWC's, as many here, like myself, have high

levels of lipid peroxides.

Astaxanthin may be a superior scavenger of lipid destroying free

radicals? Interesting.

http://www.astaxanthin.org/

Does anyone have any direct experience with this?

Zippy

[Guest guest]

> I've been taking it for all of this year, Zippy. It's the most

effective

> antioxidant of the carotenoids both theoretically and for me

personally,

> though I alternate it with beta-carotene and lutein. I've had no

problems

> with it.

>

> Rob

Hi Rob,

What CFS symptoms does the stuff improve ?

Thanks,

Al

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Rob,

>

> What CFS symptoms does the stuff improve ?

>

> Thanks,

> Al

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I'll pop in here again, as I don't

think my first post was quite clear.

Astaxanthin is a caroteniod (if I am

not mistaken). It is one of the things

that makes salmon and shrimp pink.

Apparently, it has markedly superior

abilities to scavenge free radicals,

over and above other carotenes, like

beta carotene.

The safety profile looks good.

My thinking was: since I have a

" problem " with Superoxydimutase,

in that I am not producing enough

(per GSDL Detox Challenge test)

and this may be a congenital genetic

condition (per Genovations Testing)

then, a powerful antioxidant, one

that could effectively intervene in the most

damaging effects of SOD shortage

(which I would assume would be the

hijacking of vital lipids into lipid

peroxides[?]), one like Astaxanthin,

in theory could help treat this problem.

Dr. Cheney was hot on using high dose

CoQ10 for just this problem + high dose

hydroxycobalamin. The idea (if I am

correct) was to use CoQ10 to stop formation

of lipid peroxides in the first place,

then use hydroxycobalamine to mop up

anything that got left over.

I may be off in my mechanics there, but

that was the general idea of doing good

things, and stopping progressive damage.

Maybe astaxanthin could be adjunctive

as well? Particularly, as it is cheaper

than CoQ10, and I am unfortunately very

intolerant of all forms of CoQ10

I suspect high levels of free radicals

, perioxynitrite (Dr. Pall), and lipid peroxides

(GSDL Detox test), play a key role in CFS.

Again, thus my musings on Astaxanthin.

Just thinking out loud,

Zippy

[Guest guest]

Hi Al,

A lot of the problems that people run up against on this board arise

because they are trying to treat symptoms and not causes. Since many of

the symptoms of CFS are produced by ineffective attempts by the body to

deal with the causes, like immune deficiency, or the first-line effects,

like chronic opportunistic infections, trying to treat symptoms, like

fatigue, is counterproductive.

Antioxidants benefit in three ways. First, they reduce oxidative stress,

second, they help the body to remove environmental toxins and third, they

improve cellular immunity. It's a very complex field, so I would recommend

you try some background reading and if there's something that isn't clear,

I'll try (if I can) to help. I would say to the whole group that this is a

crucial area and well worth some investment of effort.

Rob

Re: Astaxanthin

> I've been taking it for all of this year, Zippy. It's the most

effective

> antioxidant of the carotenoids both theoretically and for me

personally,

> though I alternate it with beta-carotene and lutein. I've had no

problems

> with it.

>

> Rob

Hi Rob,

What CFS symptoms does the stuff improve ?

Thanks,

Al

[Guest guest]

Zippy,

I'm getting reluctant to turn stones over these days, but while I'm at it,

here's another problem that I think prevents many on this group from

making progress. This one is maybe the hardest of all to deal with because

it is unconscious.

There is an ingrained belief in US settler culture that the world is

basically uncomplicated and that those who talk about complications are

doing so for suspect motives -- perhaps pointy-heads who are talking up

their own academic discipline or the elite trying to confuse things to

protect their own privileges or just Europeans whose culture is old and

tired. Couple that with an optimistic belief in the technological fix and

you've got a powerful brew. You can see this in action in foreign policy,

for example.

It is a mistake to imagine that you can get good results with just one or

two antioxidants. Our ancestors ate green vegetables, roots etc that were

not sweet -- just try tasting wild varieties -- but were high in a huge

range of antioxidants, which are generally very bitter. They work in

combination and you need a lot of them. I take the following:

Zinc, MSM; vitamins A, B1, B12, folic acid, C and E (including

tocotrienols); citrus flavonoids, rutin and extracts of bilberry,

echinacea, garlic, grape seed, hawthorn and horse chestnut; alpha lipoic

acid, astaxanthin, beta-carotene, lutein and co-enzyme Q10. As with the

carotenoids I take the herbal extracts in rotation.

Rob

===============================

I'll pop in here again, as I don't

think my first post was quite clear.

Astaxanthin is a caroteniod (if I am

not mistaken). It is one of the things

that makes salmon and shrimp pink.

Apparently, it has markedly superior

abilities to scavenge free radicals,

over and above other carotenes, like

beta carotene.

The safety profile looks good.

My thinking was: since I have a

" problem " with Superoxydimutase,

in that I am not producing enough

(per GSDL Detox Challenge test)

and this may be a congenital genetic

condition (per Genovations Testing)

then, a powerful antioxidant, one

that could effectively intervene in the most

damaging effects of SOD shortage

(which I would assume would be the

hijacking of vital lipids into lipid

peroxides[?]), one like Astaxanthin,

in theory could help treat this problem.

Dr. Cheney was hot on using high dose

CoQ10 for just this problem + high dose

hydroxycobalamin. The idea (if I am

correct) was to use CoQ10 to stop formation

of lipid peroxides in the first place,

then use hydroxycobalamine to mop up

anything that got left over.

I may be off in my mechanics there, but

that was the general idea of doing good

things, and stopping progressive damage.

Maybe astaxanthin could be adjunctive

as well? Particularly, as it is cheaper

than CoQ10, and I am unfortunately very

intolerant of all forms of CoQ10

I suspect high levels of free radicals

, perioxynitrite (Dr. Pall), and lipid peroxides

(GSDL Detox test), play a key role in CFS.

[Guest guest]

Just an FYI because of my posts about Astaxanthin.

Zeaxanthin is so much like the other one I got a little confused.

Astaxanthin I read recently is for muscle and joint aches. Zeanthin is for

the eyes BUT a lot of people on Astaxan have found it works for both! Now

that I have confused all of you too I just want to say I am sorry for the

possible mixup.

cooky

[Guest guest]

oh shute i didn't know there was another one. i bought and began the astaxanthin

last weekend for my bad eyes. who are the people you mentioned have success with

it? i could use some positive testimonials i am so depressed.

From: Cooky Stonkey <cookee1@...>

Subject: rheumatic astaxanthin

" rheumatic " <rheumatic >

Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 9:02 AM

Just an FYI because of my posts about Astaxanthin.

Zeaxanthin is so much like the other one I got a little confused.

Astaxanthin I read recently is for muscle and joint aches. Zeanthin is for

the eyes BUT a lot of people on Astaxan have found it works for both! Now

that I have confused all of you too I just want to say I am sorry for the

possible mixup.

cooky