Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Deb, I take Kirkland " Fish Oil Omega 3 " 1000 mg softgels from CostCo because they are so inexpensive, only about $9 for 400 softgels. The label states, " Kirkland Signature Fish Oil supply comes from deep ocean waters. Our fish is not supplied from farm raised fish. State-of-the-art molecular distillation is used to remove PCBs and dioxins, which guarantees purity and potency. Mercury undetectable. " Each Kirkland softgel contains 300 mg of total Omega 3 (with EPA + DHA). For Kirkland, that works out to 7.5 cents per gram of Omega 3. Other brand may contain more Omega 3 per softgel. I would select 1000 mg fish oil softgels mainly on the basis of cost per gram of Omega 3. Divide the purchase price by the number of softgels in the bottle, then divide by the gram of Omega 3 per capsule. For Kirkland fish oil capsules, this is 900 cents divided by 400 divided by 0.3 = 7.5 cents Sincerely, Harald At 05:21 PM 10/15/2008, you wrote: >Harald, > >Thank you for the valuable information. It appears that there are >many brands to choose from: looking for the fish oil in the purest >form coming from the fish with the highest omega 3. I'm looking >forward to this helping me in my overall health, as well as my AS. >Do you have one brand you prefer over others? > >Thank you again, >Deb > > > > >Hi, > > > >Has anyone here used fish oil capsules (omega 3) and found it > >helpful? Or flax oil? > > > >I'm reading Scalla's " The New Arthritis Diet " and he > >recommends it to help reduce inflammation. My Dr. recommends it > >too, but for heart health. > > > >Thank you, > > > >Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Harold, how many fish oil capsules do you take every day & how long does it take to get therapeutic? Pati _____ From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf Of Harald Weiss, Technical Marketing Group Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:34 AM rheumatic Subject: Re: rheumatic omega 3 Deb, I take Kirkland " Fish Oil Omega 3 " 1000 mg softgels from CostCo because they are so inexpensive, only about $9 for 400 softgels. The label states, " Kirkland Signature Fish Oil supply comes from deep ocean waters. Our fish is not supplied from farm raised fish. State-of-the-art molecular distillation is used to remove PCBs and dioxins, which guarantees purity and potency. Mercury undetectable. " Each Kirkland softgel contains 300 mg of total Omega 3 (with EPA + DHA). For Kirkland, that works out to 7.5 cents per gram of Omega 3. Other brand may contain more Omega 3 per softgel. I would select 1000 mg fish oil softgels mainly on the basis of cost per gram of Omega 3. Divide the purchase price by the number of softgels in the bottle, then divide by the gram of Omega 3 per capsule. For Kirkland fish oil capsules, this is 900 cents divided by 400 divided by 0.3 = 7.5 cents Sincerely, Harald At 05:21 PM 10/15/2008, you wrote: >Harald, > >Thank you for the valuable information. It appears that there are >many brands to choose from: looking for the fish oil in the purest >form coming from the fish with the highest omega 3. I'm looking >forward to this helping me in my overall health, as well as my AS. >Do you have one brand you prefer over others? > >Thank you again, >Deb > > > > >Hi, > > > >Has anyone here used fish oil capsules (omega 3) and found it > >helpful? Or flax oil? > > > >I'm reading Scalla's " The New Arthritis Diet " and he > >recommends it to help reduce inflammation. My Dr. recommends it > >too, but for heart health. > > > >Thank you, > > > >Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Since we are on the subject of fish oils. I have a Major problem with anything oil packed and especially fish oils. I either develop one gigantic zit or a papule filled with white shortening type crap. It is not like a ball you get with mossuscum but white thick goo. I develop this within a week of taking fish oil. I even went to chewables thinking the oil would be more diffuse and not do this but it was the same. Yes I had a cholecystectomy but I also thot if I took it with enzymes it would work.nada. I also tried chole something my doc gave me specifically for digesting fats.nada. Anybody have this problem?? cooky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Jeff, do you get your script filled by a local walk-in pharmacy, or do you send it out to a mail-order pharmacy? The reason I ask, is because my friend had a script for this & took it to a local CVS & the guy walked her to the OTC isle where the Omega 3's were sold on the shelf! Maybe he was saying those were the generic version (?). Amy Jeffery wrote: > > > May want to consider Lovaza. It is manufactured by GlaxoKline. > See > http://www.lovaza.com/index.html?banner_s=208381923 & rotation_s=30492788# > <http://www.lovaza.com/index.html?banner_s=208381923 & rotation_s=30492788#> > > It is a pharmaceutical. So, while an OTC can potentially match the > quality of the EPA/DHA, they cannot match the testing rigor of a > pharmaceutical. An OTC can test using any lab they choose and tell you > anything they want to about the results, all without challenge or fear > of penalty. A pharmaceutical, at least in the U.S., is bound by FDA > standards for testing (at specific labs that have been certified) and > documentation (it must be made publically available), and they can be > challenged and/or fined for lax standards. That's not to say that you > can't get top quality OTC EPA/DHA, it's just that in some cases you > may think your getting quality, when it's not really verifiable. > > However, this probably is not an option for all, as it is more > expensive than most OTC sources (you pay for the certification). My > plan covers most of it after meeting deductible, so for me it ends up > being even cheaper than an OTC. Otherwise, it may not be the best, > most cost effective option for some. > > Jeff > > rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40> > From: debbiejean6@... <mailto:debbiejean6%40> > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:59:23 -0700 > Subject: rheumatic omega 3 > > Hi, > > Has anyone here used fish oil capsules (omega 3) and found it helpful? > Or flax oil? > > I'm reading Scalla's " The New Arthritis Diet " and he recommends > it to help reduce inflammation. My Dr. recommends it too, but for > heart health. > > Thank you, > > Deb > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Jeff,  Thank you. I appreciate your help. I didn't realize there are pharmaceutical fish oils. I'll check into this further. Good web page too: saving it.   Deb From: Jeffery <jefferysa@...> Subject: RE: rheumatic omega 3 rheumatic Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 2:13 AM May want to consider Lovaza. It is manufactured by GlaxoKline. See http://www.lovaza. com/index. html?banner_ s=208381923 & rotation_ s=30492788# It is a pharmaceutical. So, while an OTC can potentially match the quality of the EPA/DHA, they cannot match the testing rigor of a pharmaceutical. An OTC can test using any lab they choose and tell you anything they want to about the results, all without challenge or fear of penalty. A pharmaceutical, at least in the U.S., is bound by FDA standards for testing (at specific labs that have been certified) and documentation (it must be made publically available), and they can be challenged and/or fined for lax standards. That's not to say that you can't get top quality OTC EPA/DHA, it's just that in some cases you may think your getting quality, when it's not really verifiable. However, this probably is not an option for all, as it is more expensive than most OTC sources (you pay for the certification) . My plan covers most of it after meeting deductible, so for me it ends up being even cheaper than an OTC. Otherwise, it may not be the best, most cost effective option for some. Jeff rheumatic@grou ps.com From: debbiejean6 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:59:23 -0700 Subject: rheumatic omega 3 Hi, Has anyone here used fish oil capsules (omega 3) and found it helpful? Or flax oil? I'm reading Scalla's " The New Arthritis Diet " and he recommends it to help reduce inflammation. My Dr. recommends it too, but for heart health. Thank you, Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Harald,  My Doctor suggested Kirkland brand at Costco. I've seen other brands on line and the price can get up there and that can be discouraging, and then I am concerned about purity standards. Thank you for sending the cost analysis as well as their purity standard.  Deb > > >Hi, > > > >Has anyone here used fish oil capsules (omega 3) and found it > >helpful? Or flax oil? > > > >I'm reading Scalla's " The New Arthritis Diet " and he > >recommends it to help reduce inflammation. My Dr. recommends it > >too, but for heart health. > > > >Thank you, > > > >Deb __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Amy, I got it filled locally at a Walgreens. There is no generic. Lovaza is the only FDA approved omega-3 available. It is not necessarily better in quality than some OTC products, as some OTC omega-3's probably are very good and manufactured to high standards. But Lovaza is prepared, tested, and documented to relatively higher standards, like other FDA approved pharmaceuticals, and its all verifiable. Though if my plan did not cover it, there is no way I would pay the extra cost associated with it. For other OTC sources check out http://www.consumerlab.com; they independently tested dozens of brands: " The concentrations of EPA and DHA in the pills and liquids were found to vary by as much as ten fold -- from just 8% to as high as 79% of the liquid content. Concentration depends on the source of the omega-3's, how the oil is processed, and the amounts of other ingredients included in the supplement. If you are trying to get as much EPA or DHA from the smallest serving size (i.e., fewer or smaller pills or smaller liquid amounts), look for supplements with higher concentrations of EPA and DHA. A more concentrated product will generally allow you to ingest less total fish oil -- although this may mean saving less than a gram (9 calories) of oil per daily serving. Higher concentrations are not necessarily better for you. You can get the same amount of EPA and DHA from both high and low concentration products as long as you adjust the dose accordingly......When buying supplements containing EPA and/or DHA, keep in mind that products vary significantly in terms of the amounts and ratios of EPA and DHA. Be aware that only about a third of the oil from fish is EPA and DHA, although a " concentrated " product may contain twice or more of that amount as EPA and DHA " Jeff rheumatic From: Evanesce@... Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:07:34 -0400 Subject: Re: rheumatic omega 3 Jeff, do you get your script filled by a local walk-in pharmacy, or do you send it out to a mail-order pharmacy? The reason I ask, is because my friend had a script for this & took it to a local CVS & the guy walked her to the OTC isle where the Omega 3's were sold on the shelf! Maybe he was saying those were the generic version (?). Amy Jeffery wrote: > > > May want to consider Lovaza. It is manufactured by GlaxoKline. > See > http://www.lovaza.com/index.html?banner_s=208381923 & rotation_s=30492788# > <http://www.lovaza.com/index.html?banner_s=208381923 & rotation_s=30492788#> > > It is a pharmaceutical. So, while an OTC can potentially match the > quality of the EPA/DHA, they cannot match the testing rigor of a > pharmaceutical. An OTC can test using any lab they choose and tell you > anything they want to about the results, all without challenge or fear > of penalty. A pharmaceutical, at least in the U.S., is bound by FDA > standards for testing (at specific labs that have been certified) and > documentation (it must be made publically available), and they can be > challenged and/or fined for lax standards. That's not to say that you > can't get top quality OTC EPA/DHA, it's just that in some cases you > may think your getting quality, when it's not really verifiable. > > However, this probably is not an option for all, as it is more > expensive than most OTC sources (you pay for the certification). My > plan covers most of it after meeting deductible, so for me it ends up > being even cheaper than an OTC. Otherwise, it may not be the best, > most cost effective option for some. > > Jeff > > rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40> > From: debbiejean6@... <mailto:debbiejean6%40> > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:59:23 -0700 > Subject: rheumatic omega 3 > > Hi, > > Has anyone here used fish oil capsules (omega 3) and found it helpful? > Or flax oil? > > I'm reading Scalla's " The New Arthritis Diet " and he recommends > it to help reduce inflammation. My Dr. recommends it too, but for > heart health. > > Thank you, > > Deb > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 How reliable is that www.consumerlab.com testing? I don't really want to pay $30 a year but would really like to see what they say about MSM. If they are credible, I may have to fork out the cash. Thanks From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf Of Jeffery Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 2:46 PM rheumatic Subject: RE: rheumatic omega 3 Amy, I got it filled locally at a Walgreens. There is no generic. Lovaza is the only FDA approved omega-3 available. It is not necessarily better in quality than some OTC products, as some OTC omega-3's probably are very good and manufactured to high standards. But Lovaza is prepared, tested, and documented to relatively higher standards, like other FDA approved pharmaceuticals, and its all verifiable. Though if my plan did not cover it, there is no way I would pay the extra cost associated with it. For other OTC sources check out http://www.consumerlab.com; they independently tested dozens of brands: " The concentrations of EPA and DHA in the pills and liquids were found to vary by as much as ten fold -- from just 8% to as high as 79% of the liquid content. Concentration depends on the source of the omega-3's, how the oil is processed, and the amounts of other ingredients included in the supplement. If you are trying to get as much EPA or DHA from the smallest serving size (i.e., fewer or smaller pills or smaller liquid amounts), look for supplements with higher concentrations of EPA and DHA. A more concentrated product will generally allow you to ingest less total fish oil -- although this may mean saving less than a gram (9 calories) of oil per daily serving. Higher concentrations are not necessarily better for you. You can get the same amount of EPA and DHA from both high and low concentration products as long as you adjust the dose accordingly......When buying supplements containing EPA and/or DHA, keep in mind that products vary significantly in terms of the amounts and ratios of EPA and DHA. Be aware that only about a third of the oil from fish is EPA and DHA, although a " concentrated " product may contain twice or more of that amount as EPA and DHA " Jeff rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40> From: Evanesce@... <mailto:Evanesce%40rcn.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:07:34 -0400 Subject: Re: rheumatic omega 3 Jeff, do you get your script filled by a local walk-in pharmacy, or do you send it out to a mail-order pharmacy? The reason I ask, is because my friend had a script for this & took it to a local CVS & the guy walked her to the OTC isle where the Omega 3's were sold on the shelf! Maybe he was saying those were the generic version (?). Amy Jeffery wrote: > > > May want to consider Lovaza. It is manufactured by GlaxoKline. > See > http://www.lovaza.com/index.html?banner_s=208381923 <http://www.lovaza.com/index.html?banner_s=208381923 & rotation_s=30492788> & rotation_s=30492788# > <http://www.lovaza.com/index.html?banner_s=208381923 <http://www.lovaza.com/index.html?banner_s=208381923 & rotation_s=30492788> & rotation_s=30492788#> > > It is a pharmaceutical. So, while an OTC can potentially match the > quality of the EPA/DHA, they cannot match the testing rigor of a > pharmaceutical. An OTC can test using any lab they choose and tell you > anything they want to about the results, all without challenge or fear > of penalty. A pharmaceutical, at least in the U.S., is bound by FDA > standards for testing (at specific labs that have been certified) and > documentation (it must be made publically available), and they can be > challenged and/or fined for lax standards. That's not to say that you > can't get top quality OTC EPA/DHA, it's just that in some cases you > may think your getting quality, when it's not really verifiable. > > However, this probably is not an option for all, as it is more > expensive than most OTC sources (you pay for the certification). My > plan covers most of it after meeting deductible, so for me it ends up > being even cheaper than an OTC. Otherwise, it may not be the best, > most cost effective option for some. > > Jeff > > rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40> <mailto:rheumatic%40> > From: debbiejean6@... <mailto:debbiejean6%40> <mailto:debbiejean6%40> > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:59:23 -0700 > Subject: rheumatic omega 3 > > Hi, > > Has anyone here used fish oil capsules (omega 3) and found it helpful? > Or flax oil? > > I'm reading Scalla's " The New Arthritis Diet " and he recommends > it to help reduce inflammation. My Dr. recommends it too, but for > heart health. > > Thank you, > > Deb > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 I have been a member for at least one year. Prior to joining I checked them out. What I found was that the labs that they contract with (they did supply this info) did appear to be independent. I contacted a couple and ended up satisfied that the data being evaluated by the website was legit. However, understand that the manufacturers of the products do provide a payment to consumerlab.com for the cost of testing and in return they get the " CL Seal of Approval " (Wow!!) if they meet the stated standard. They also are allowed to advertise on the site, which they also pay for. So are they completely independent? Not really. But I use the info accordingly, knowing this limitation. I find that for some of the products their results are not all that useful, and others are. It really varies. If somebody takes a lot of supplements, the cost may be worth it. rheumatic From: tscott2340@... Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:41:06 -0400 Subject: RE: rheumatic omega 3 How reliable is that www.consumerlab.com testing? I don't really want to pay $30 a year but would really like to see what they say about MSM. If they are credible, I may have to fork out the cash. Thanks From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf Of Jeffery Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 2:46 PM rheumatic Subject: RE: rheumatic omega 3 Amy, I got it filled locally at a Walgreens. There is no generic. Lovaza is the only FDA approved omega-3 available. It is not necessarily better in quality than some OTC products, as some OTC omega-3's probably are very good and manufactured to high standards. But Lovaza is prepared, tested, and documented to relatively higher standards, like other FDA approved pharmaceuticals, and its all verifiable. Though if my plan did not cover it, there is no way I would pay the extra cost associated with it. For other OTC sources check out http://www.consumerlab.com; they independently tested dozens of brands: " The concentrations of EPA and DHA in the pills and liquids were found to vary by as much as ten fold -- from just 8% to as high as 79% of the liquid content. Concentration depends on the source of the omega-3's, how the oil is processed, and the amounts of other ingredients included in the supplement. If you are trying to get as much EPA or DHA from the smallest serving size (i.e., fewer or smaller pills or smaller liquid amounts), look for supplements with higher concentrations of EPA and DHA. A more concentrated product will generally allow you to ingest less total fish oil -- although this may mean saving less than a gram (9 calories) of oil per daily serving. Higher concentrations are not necessarily better for you. You can get the same amount of EPA and DHA from both high and low concentration products as long as you adjust the dose accordingly......When buying supplements containing EPA and/or DHA, keep in mind that products vary significantly in terms of the amounts and ratios of EPA and DHA. Be aware that only about a third of the oil from fish is EPA and DHA, although a " concentrated " product may contain twice or more of that amount as EPA and DHA " Jeff rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40> From: Evanesce@... <mailto:Evanesce%40rcn.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:07:34 -0400 Subject: Re: rheumatic omega 3 Jeff, do you get your script filled by a local walk-in pharmacy, or do you send it out to a mail-order pharmacy? The reason I ask, is because my friend had a script for this & took it to a local CVS & the guy walked her to the OTC isle where the Omega 3's were sold on the shelf! Maybe he was saying those were the generic version (?). Amy Jeffery wrote: > > > May want to consider Lovaza. It is manufactured by GlaxoKline. > See > http://www.lovaza.com/index.html?banner_s=208381923 <http://www.lovaza.com/index.html?banner_s=208381923 & rotation_s=30492788> & rotation_s=30492788# > <http://www.lovaza.com/index.html?banner_s=208381923 <http://www.lovaza.com/index.html?banner_s=208381923 & rotation_s=30492788> & rotation_s=30492788#> > > It is a pharmaceutical. So, while an OTC can potentially match the > quality of the EPA/DHA, they cannot match the testing rigor of a > pharmaceutical. An OTC can test using any lab they choose and tell you > anything they want to about the results, all without challenge or fear > of penalty. A pharmaceutical, at least in the U.S., is bound by FDA > standards for testing (at specific labs that have been certified) and > documentation (it must be made publically available), and they can be > challenged and/or fined for lax standards. That's not to say that you > can't get top quality OTC EPA/DHA, it's just that in some cases you > may think your getting quality, when it's not really verifiable. > > However, this probably is not an option for all, as it is more > expensive than most OTC sources (you pay for the certification). My > plan covers most of it after meeting deductible, so for me it ends up > being even cheaper than an OTC. Otherwise, it may not be the best, > most cost effective option for some. > > Jeff > > rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40> <mailto:rheumatic%40> > From: debbiejean6@... <mailto:debbiejean6%40> <mailto:debbiejean6%40> > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:59:23 -0700 > Subject: rheumatic omega 3 > > Hi, > > Has anyone here used fish oil capsules (omega 3) and found it helpful? > Or flax oil? > > I'm reading Scalla's " The New Arthritis Diet " and he recommends > it to help reduce inflammation. My Dr. recommends it too, but for > heart health. > > Thank you, > > Deb > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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