Re: Folate, Vitamin D, Potassium

March 16, 2010

Forgot the RBC Folate: 259 (280-903)

>

> Thank you Pam and Lethal Lee for encouraging me to pursue Vitamin B-12

deficiency after posting my serum B-12 results the other week - 238 result (211

- 900 reference). B-12 deficiency is often connected to those with Hashi's; it

was those of you, along with the STTM site that guided me to know where to look.

>

> I got my results back today.

>

> Since I was not on B-12 supplementation yet, which could otherwise throw off

results, I had the more sensitive test done - the urine MMA (more sensitive for

determining true deficiency), along with homocysteine. I also tested RBC

folate, magnesium, potassium, sodium, calcium, and vitamin D.

>

> The urine MMA ruled out a B-12 deficiency, HOWEVER, my homocysteine .was high,

my folate was deficient, and I was very Vitamin D deficient

>

> All my other labs were " normal " , however I noted potassium was low-normal.

>

> Here they are. Any thoughts from here would be much appreciated - any

connections between these labs?

>

> Serum B-12: 238 (211-900)

> Urine MMA: 2.5 (0-3.6)

> Homocysteine: 11.3 (3.3-10.4)

> Vitamin D: 7.9 (4.8-52.8)

> Potassium: 3.8 (3.7-5.5)

> Calcium: 9.4 (8.3-10.4)

> Sodium: 140 (135-144)

> Magnesium: 2.5 (1.5-3.1)

>

> Note: 1 week before, my white blood cell count (WBC) on my CBC was low: 3.2

(3.5-11.0). My ferritin was 84 (ok).

>

> Doc told me to supplement folate and Vitamin D. I've received no comments

about the WBC and/or thoughts on why I am low in folate. Vitamin D makes sense

because I live in the rainy NW. I strongly suspect malabsorption issues - maybe

the same issues that contribute to conversion issues in other areas of the body

(T4/T3?). Anyone have any ideas?

>

March 16, 2010

Forgot the RBC Folate: 259 (280-903)

>

> Thank you Pam and Lethal Lee for encouraging me to pursue Vitamin B-12

deficiency after posting my serum B-12 results the other week - 238 result (211

- 900 reference). B-12 deficiency is often connected to those with Hashi's; it

was those of you, along with the STTM site that guided me to know where to look.

>

> I got my results back today.

>

> Since I was not on B-12 supplementation yet, which could otherwise throw off

results, I had the more sensitive test done - the urine MMA (more sensitive for

determining true deficiency), along with homocysteine. I also tested RBC

folate, magnesium, potassium, sodium, calcium, and vitamin D.

>

> The urine MMA ruled out a B-12 deficiency, HOWEVER, my homocysteine .was high,

my folate was deficient, and I was very Vitamin D deficient

>

> All my other labs were " normal " , however I noted potassium was low-normal.

>

> Here they are. Any thoughts from here would be much appreciated - any

connections between these labs?

>

> Serum B-12: 238 (211-900)

> Urine MMA: 2.5 (0-3.6)

> Homocysteine: 11.3 (3.3-10.4)

> Vitamin D: 7.9 (4.8-52.8)

> Potassium: 3.8 (3.7-5.5)

> Calcium: 9.4 (8.3-10.4)

> Sodium: 140 (135-144)

> Magnesium: 2.5 (1.5-3.1)

>

> Note: 1 week before, my white blood cell count (WBC) on my CBC was low: 3.2

(3.5-11.0). My ferritin was 84 (ok).

>

> Doc told me to supplement folate and Vitamin D. I've received no comments

about the WBC and/or thoughts on why I am low in folate. Vitamin D makes sense

because I live in the rainy NW. I strongly suspect malabsorption issues - maybe

the same issues that contribute to conversion issues in other areas of the body

(T4/T3?). Anyone have any ideas?

>

March 16, 2010

Hi,

Your B12 is of course, very low and needs to be above 550. *I* would say you

have a deficiency. Your homocysteine is high, and should be below 8 - at the

least. That will go down as you supp folate and B12.

I think Val would say your potassium is low. Do you have adrenal fatigue? Pardon

me if you've already explored this, but if you have adrenal fatigue, that would

give you a RT3 problem.

I am not sure *how* Hashi's and B12 deficiency is connected. But I suspect it is

that a common type of B12 deficiency is autoimmune related, so is Hashi's.

Pam

>

> Thank you Pam and Lethal Lee for encouraging me to pursue Vitamin B-12

deficiency after posting my serum B-12 results the other week - 238 result (211

- 900 reference). B-12 deficiency is often connected to those with Hashi's; it

was those of you, along with the STTM site that guided me to know where to look.

>

> I got my results back today.

>

> Since I was not on B-12 supplementation yet, which could otherwise throw off

results, I had the more sensitive test done - the urine MMA (more sensitive for

determining true deficiency), along with homocysteine. I also tested RBC

folate, magnesium, potassium, sodium, calcium, and vitamin D.

>

> The urine MMA ruled out a B-12 deficiency, HOWEVER, my homocysteine .was high,

my folate was deficient, and I was very Vitamin D deficient

>

> All my other labs were " normal " , however I noted potassium was low-normal.

>

> Here they are. Any thoughts from here would be much appreciated - any

connections between these labs?

>

> Serum B-12: 238 (211-900)

> Urine MMA: 2.5 (0-3.6)

> Homocysteine: 11.3 (3.3-10.4)

> Vitamin D: 7.9 (4.8-52.8)

> Potassium: 3.8 (3.7-5.5)

> Calcium: 9.4 (8.3-10.4)

> Sodium: 140 (135-144)

> Magnesium: 2.5 (1.5-3.1)

>

> Note: 1 week before, my white blood cell count (WBC) on my CBC was low: 3.2

(3.5-11.0). My ferritin was 84 (ok).

>

> Doc told me to supplement folate and Vitamin D. I've received no comments

about the WBC and/or thoughts on why I am low in folate. Vitamin D makes sense

because I live in the rainy NW. I strongly suspect malabsorption issues - maybe

the same issues that contribute to conversion issues in other areas of the body

(T4/T3?). Anyone have any ideas?

>

March 17, 2010

Thanks, Pam. So, my low serum B-12 trumps a normal urine MMA? Today I started

the protocol Fred and put in place.

I did have the 4x/day cortisol levels checked and the curve came back " normal " .

Although some of the levels were at the lower end. Val looked at the levels and

commented they looked ok.

The lower potassium levels have followed me a long time, though.

One note - my cortisol results were done while I was off any thyroid medication

for 2 months; lab results, of course, confirmed hypo and conversion issues.

Since the thyroid and adrenal are so closely related, I wonder what will happen

to my adrenal curve as I continue supplementing T3? Will some borderline lower

cortisol results go even lower due to the T3 putting stress on the adrenals or

help support the adrenals further?

> >

> > Thank you Pam and Lethal Lee for encouraging me to pursue Vitamin B-12

deficiency after posting my serum B-12 results the other week - 238 result (211

- 900 reference). B-12 deficiency is often connected to those with Hashi's; it

was those of you, along with the STTM site that guided me to know where to look.

> >

> > I got my results back today.

> >

> > Since I was not on B-12 supplementation yet, which could otherwise throw off

results, I had the more sensitive test done - the urine MMA (more sensitive for

determining true deficiency), along with homocysteine. I also tested RBC

folate, magnesium, potassium, sodium, calcium, and vitamin D.

> >

> > The urine MMA ruled out a B-12 deficiency, HOWEVER, my homocysteine .was

high, my folate was deficient, and I was very Vitamin D deficient

> >

> > All my other labs were " normal " , however I noted potassium was low-normal.

> >

> > Here they are. Any thoughts from here would be much appreciated - any

connections between these labs?

> >

> > Serum B-12: 238 (211-900)

> > Urine MMA: 2.5 (0-3.6)

> > Homocysteine: 11.3 (3.3-10.4)

> > Vitamin D: 7.9 (4.8-52.8)

> > Potassium: 3.8 (3.7-5.5)

> > Calcium: 9.4 (8.3-10.4)

> > Sodium: 140 (135-144)

> > Magnesium: 2.5 (1.5-3.1)

> >

> > Note: 1 week before, my white blood cell count (WBC) on my CBC was low: 3.2

(3.5-11.0). My ferritin was 84 (ok).

> >

> > Doc told me to supplement folate and Vitamin D. I've received no comments

about the WBC and/or thoughts on why I am low in folate. Vitamin D makes sense

because I live in the rainy NW. I strongly suspect malabsorption issues - maybe

the same issues that contribute to conversion issues in other areas of the body

(T4/T3?). Anyone have any ideas?

> >

>

March 17, 2010

Serum B-12: 238 (211-900)

Urine MMA: 2.5 (0-3.6)

Homocysteine: 11.3 (3.3-10.4)

Vitamin D: 7.9 (4.8-52.8)

Potassium: 3.8 (3.7-5.5)

Calcium: 9.4 (8.3-10.4)

Sodium: 140 (135-144)

Magnesium: 2.5 (1.5-3.1)

Actually there is some informaiton that low Magnesium can can cause potassium

wasting. Enough I recently added magnesium back into my daily routine with my

potassium supps. With your labs I would also be addingin magensium and

poitasisum supps. With the B12 and folate. How much D are you taking? With these

labs 10,000IU a day would not be out of line.

--

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

March 17, 2010

Thanks, Val. These labs reflected no Vit. D supplementation. I just ordered

some D3 yesterday in liquid form. The doctor recommended 5,000IU for the first

month and then 2,000IU after. So, you think 10,000IU would be better? I

purchased liquid potassium (just potassium and purified water). The bottle says

to take 1 tablespoon/day - each serving is 35 mg. Is that sufficient? Before

I'd gotten the potassium lab I'd already purchased the potassium as it is

recommended per the B12 forum I'd joined (as insurance against sudden healing

from the B12 protocol). That's interesting about magnesium; my ND mentioned he

thought I was low in magnesium. When I got these labs, though, I thought it was

ok. Alixe

>

> Serum B-12: 238 (211-900)

> Urine MMA: 2.5 (0-3.6)

> Homocysteine: 11.3 (3.3-10.4)

> Vitamin D: 7.9 (4.8-52.8)

> Potassium: 3.8 (3.7-5.5)

> Calcium: 9.4 (8.3-10.4)

> Sodium: 140 (135-144)

> Magnesium: 2.5 (1.5-3.1)

>

> Actually there is some informaiton that low Magnesium can can cause potassium

wasting. Enough I recently added magnesium back into my daily routine with my

potassium supps. With your labs I would also be addingin magensium and

poitasisum supps. With the B12 and folate. How much D are you taking? With these

labs 10,000IU a day would not be out of line.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

March 17, 2010