Re: Denied field trip - what are our rights?

[Guest guest]

Am I being selfish by insisting that Alycia be allowed on the trip? Is there any recourse if they tell me that I can't go with her as an aide due to rules about the number of chaperones allowed? I mean really!, I think that offering to follow in my own vehicle and tend to Alycia is a fair compromise but they don't seem agree.

man I don't know anything about the law but I can't believe they are being so unreasonable!

to change the subject though...I am worried about ...he sweats a great deal even in the cool of the morning, but he lives to play outside...he walks in our front door after school, and out the back door...how do I know if he has a heat sensitivity and what problem would it cause?

deb

[Guest guest]

Am I being selfish by insisting that Alycia be allowed on the trip? Is there any recourse if they tell me that I can't go with her as an aide due to rules about the number of chaperones allowed? I mean really!, I think that offering to follow in my own vehicle and tend to Alycia is a fair compromise but they don't seem agree.

man I don't know anything about the law but I can't believe they are being so unreasonable!

to change the subject though...I am worried about ...he sweats a great deal even in the cool of the morning, but he lives to play outside...he walks in our front door after school, and out the back door...how do I know if he has a heat sensitivity and what problem would it cause?

deb

[Guest guest]

Am I being selfish by insisting that Alycia be allowed on the trip? Is there any recourse if they tell me that I can't go with her as an aide due to rules about the number of chaperones allowed? I mean really!, I think that offering to follow in my own vehicle and tend to Alycia is a fair compromise but they don't seem agree.

man I don't know anything about the law but I can't believe they are being so unreasonable!

to change the subject though...I am worried about ...he sweats a great deal even in the cool of the morning, but he lives to play outside...he walks in our front door after school, and out the back door...how do I know if he has a heat sensitivity and what problem would it cause?

deb

[Guest guest]

Lori,

I agree with Sue that the accommodation you offered is very reasonable.

I think they should be thrilled with that! I'm puzzled by their

statement that they can only have a certain number of chaperones. I

would sure like to know why...where did this rule come from? Will it

cost them more to have another adult along? It won't take any more room

on the bus since you've offered to drive. Sure sounds like a flimsy

excuse to exclude Alycia. Every field trip I went on with my girls, the

school was glad to have another adult, especially since they were always

nervous about my girls' needs.

>I was also reminded that I need to put Alycia's health ahead of my desire

>to have her participate in this field trip.

Don't you love it when they try to make parents feel guilty? You know,

when you get right down to it, if they're so concerned about Alycia's

well-being, they could have picked a destination that was primarily

indoors with air-conditioning. It wouldn't have had to have a negative

impact on her classmates, as there must be other equally interesting

places to go in your area. Of course, I'm sure they'd freak if you

suggested that!

Is there a volunteer advocate who could help you deal with the school?

You could probably file a discrimination complaint with the Office of

Civil Rights (OCR), but you need a solution soon (which is not how the

OCR works, from what I understand), and probably the best way to get that

is to find someone higher up in the school system who is more reasonable

than the people you have been dealing with, like the head of the special

ed dept.

Sorry they are giving you such grief.

-- Mom to:

Emilie (15), cerebral palsy; also undiagnosed episodic vomiting,

flushing, pallor, purple hands after meals, purple when chilled, dark

circles under eyes, sudden drowsiness, fatigue, low-grade fevers, reduced

muscle tone, glassy eyes, dilated pupils, irritability, diarrhea,

constipation, tachycardia, heat intolerance, difficulty with fasting,

etc. Positive response to carnitine (improved energy & mood)

Kaitlin (15), cerebral palsy, asthma, mild autonomic symptoms

Ian (20) migraines

[Guest guest]

Lori,

I agree with Sue that the accommodation you offered is very reasonable.

I think they should be thrilled with that! I'm puzzled by their

statement that they can only have a certain number of chaperones. I

would sure like to know why...where did this rule come from? Will it

cost them more to have another adult along? It won't take any more room

on the bus since you've offered to drive. Sure sounds like a flimsy

excuse to exclude Alycia. Every field trip I went on with my girls, the

school was glad to have another adult, especially since they were always

nervous about my girls' needs.

>I was also reminded that I need to put Alycia's health ahead of my desire

>to have her participate in this field trip.

Don't you love it when they try to make parents feel guilty? You know,

when you get right down to it, if they're so concerned about Alycia's

well-being, they could have picked a destination that was primarily

indoors with air-conditioning. It wouldn't have had to have a negative

impact on her classmates, as there must be other equally interesting

places to go in your area. Of course, I'm sure they'd freak if you

suggested that!

Is there a volunteer advocate who could help you deal with the school?

You could probably file a discrimination complaint with the Office of

Civil Rights (OCR), but you need a solution soon (which is not how the

OCR works, from what I understand), and probably the best way to get that

is to find someone higher up in the school system who is more reasonable

than the people you have been dealing with, like the head of the special

ed dept.

Sorry they are giving you such grief.

-- Mom to:

Emilie (15), cerebral palsy; also undiagnosed episodic vomiting,

flushing, pallor, purple hands after meals, purple when chilled, dark

circles under eyes, sudden drowsiness, fatigue, low-grade fevers, reduced

muscle tone, glassy eyes, dilated pupils, irritability, diarrhea,

constipation, tachycardia, heat intolerance, difficulty with fasting,

etc. Positive response to carnitine (improved energy & mood)

Kaitlin (15), cerebral palsy, asthma, mild autonomic symptoms

Ian (20) migraines

[Guest guest]

Lori,

I agree with Sue that the accommodation you offered is very reasonable.

I think they should be thrilled with that! I'm puzzled by their

statement that they can only have a certain number of chaperones. I

would sure like to know why...where did this rule come from? Will it

cost them more to have another adult along? It won't take any more room

on the bus since you've offered to drive. Sure sounds like a flimsy

excuse to exclude Alycia. Every field trip I went on with my girls, the

school was glad to have another adult, especially since they were always

nervous about my girls' needs.

>I was also reminded that I need to put Alycia's health ahead of my desire

>to have her participate in this field trip.

Don't you love it when they try to make parents feel guilty? You know,

when you get right down to it, if they're so concerned about Alycia's

well-being, they could have picked a destination that was primarily

indoors with air-conditioning. It wouldn't have had to have a negative

impact on her classmates, as there must be other equally interesting

places to go in your area. Of course, I'm sure they'd freak if you

suggested that!

Is there a volunteer advocate who could help you deal with the school?

You could probably file a discrimination complaint with the Office of

Civil Rights (OCR), but you need a solution soon (which is not how the

OCR works, from what I understand), and probably the best way to get that

is to find someone higher up in the school system who is more reasonable

than the people you have been dealing with, like the head of the special

ed dept.

Sorry they are giving you such grief.

-- Mom to:

Emilie (15), cerebral palsy; also undiagnosed episodic vomiting,

flushing, pallor, purple hands after meals, purple when chilled, dark

circles under eyes, sudden drowsiness, fatigue, low-grade fevers, reduced

muscle tone, glassy eyes, dilated pupils, irritability, diarrhea,

constipation, tachycardia, heat intolerance, difficulty with fasting,

etc. Positive response to carnitine (improved energy & mood)

Kaitlin (15), cerebral palsy, asthma, mild autonomic symptoms

Ian (20) migraines

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/7/02 5:21:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

info@... writes:

<< Am I being selfish by insisting that Alycia be allowed on the trip? Is

there any recourse if they tell me that I can't go with her as an aide due to

rules about the number of chaperones allowed? I mean really!, I think that

offering to follow in my own vehicle and tend to Alycia is a fair compromise

but they don't seem agree.

What should I do? >>

I believe they need to accomodate you as her " aide " on the trip. If you have

a doc's note saying that she can do, with the following provisions (you

going, the cool shirts, etc.), then legally I don't believe they can keep her

from going. I also encourage my kids to participate as fully as possible,

while being prudent. It sounds like you are acting in a very caring manner,

yet being responsible.

Hang in there!

Dena

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

I need legal advice.

My daughter's class has a field trip to a local Audobon Sanctuary scheduled at the end of May.

Because of her problem with over heating, I am being pressured to keep her home that day.

I explained that I don't allow the over heating issue to keep Alycia from enjoying outdoor activities. I adapt by keeping her well hydrated and cool through such tactics as keeping a wet hat on her head, spraying her with a water bottle or having her wear "ice cube" necklaces. I had been looking into cooling vests but I can't find any sold by a company that I know, plus the pediatrician expressed concern about the safety of this device. I explained that the pediatrician suggested that I carry a couple of moist shirts in an ice bag and put those on Alycia to keep her cool.

Despite this, they are still concerned that Alycia won't be able to handle the trip and want me to keep her home. They don't want to have stop the trip and bring all the kids home should Alycia have a problem. In response, I offered to follow in my own vehicle, be responsible for keeping her cool, and be available to bring her home in my own vehicle if there is a problem.

The response to this is that they can only allow a specific number of chaperones and no extra adults. I wouldn't actually be a chaperone since I would need the option to leave and I would be solely responsible for Alycia.

I was also reminded that I need to put Alycia's health ahead of my desire to have her participate in this field trip.

I haven't been told "No" outright, but it is definitely heading in that direction.

Hopefully, the day will be mild so it won't be an issue but even a 70degree day would be enough to cause concern.

Am I being selfish by insisting that Alycia be allowed on the trip? Is there any recourse if they tell me that I can't go with her as an aide due to rules about the number of chaperones allowed? I mean really!, I think that offering to follow in my own vehicle and tend to Alycia is a fair compromise but they don't seem agree.

What should I do?

Lori

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[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

I need legal advice.

My daughter's class has a field trip to a local Audobon Sanctuary scheduled at the end of May.

Because of her problem with over heating, I am being pressured to keep her home that day.

I explained that I don't allow the over heating issue to keep Alycia from enjoying outdoor activities. I adapt by keeping her well hydrated and cool through such tactics as keeping a wet hat on her head, spraying her with a water bottle or having her wear "ice cube" necklaces. I had been looking into cooling vests but I can't find any sold by a company that I know, plus the pediatrician expressed concern about the safety of this device. I explained that the pediatrician suggested that I carry a couple of moist shirts in an ice bag and put those on Alycia to keep her cool.

Despite this, they are still concerned that Alycia won't be able to handle the trip and want me to keep her home. They don't want to have stop the trip and bring all the kids home should Alycia have a problem. In response, I offered to follow in my own vehicle, be responsible for keeping her cool, and be available to bring her home in my own vehicle if there is a problem.

The response to this is that they can only allow a specific number of chaperones and no extra adults. I wouldn't actually be a chaperone since I would need the option to leave and I would be solely responsible for Alycia.

I was also reminded that I need to put Alycia's health ahead of my desire to have her participate in this field trip.

I haven't been told "No" outright, but it is definitely heading in that direction.

Hopefully, the day will be mild so it won't be an issue but even a 70degree day would be enough to cause concern.

Am I being selfish by insisting that Alycia be allowed on the trip? Is there any recourse if they tell me that I can't go with her as an aide due to rules about the number of chaperones allowed? I mean really!, I think that offering to follow in my own vehicle and tend to Alycia is a fair compromise but they don't seem agree.

What should I do?

Lori

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[Guest guest]

Lori,

The school cannot legally keep Alycia from going on the field trip.

ESPECIALLY since you have offered all your help! That is called

discrimination. And they certainly can't expect you to keep her home!!!!

That is outrageous!! You have offered a more than fair compromise and if

you went to a Due Process hearing, IMHO, you'd win hands down!

When goes on a field trip they love when I go because A) I'm an

extra adult (never heard of too many adults on a field trip!!) and they

don't need to send a nurse. If I can't go then they will happily provide a

nurse. We address field trips in the kids' IEPs. Might be something to

think about. BTW, and are heat intolerant as well and I've

never had a problem finding something for to do if he gets overheated

or doesn't like the trip. Me, him, the aide and nurse go off on our own.

Don't let them guilt you into keeping Alycia home if she really wants

to go. You are dealing with her health concerns in a proper manner!

Good luck and keep us posted!!

Sue & Jack-worn out parents to the greatest kids on earth in Las Vegas, NV-

11 & 10-Both w/Leigh's Disease (?), MR (mild), g-tube,

w/fundo, larynotracheomalacia, trach, vent 24/7. Visit us!

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I need legal advice.

My daughter's class has a field trip to a local Audobon Sanctuary scheduled

at the end of May.

Because of her problem with over heating, I am being pressured to keep her

home that day.

>snip<

[Guest guest]

Wow very intersting. I don't have legal advise just a

mother of a over-heating kid. What will be next them

asking you to keep her from doing other things to.

Sometimes if you make it easy on THEM they ask for

more. Give an inch take a mile. I don't think it is

selfish to want your kids to experience things, they

are already limited and to add one more thing to that

list may just be more harmful. Also is the bird

sanctuary only for that school or for the public to

use because you are the public. Me personally would

go to look at the birds and the school just happened

to have a field trip on the day I wanted to look at

birds. Then again I am not the most liked person

around because of my pushiness when it comes to my

kid. I don't know the specifics but thought I would

like to comment because I see this in our future soon.

Corrina Arnold

mother of

Tre 2y Glutaric Acidemia type 1

Aspen 5y unaffected

--- Lori Downs-Hesperus Web Design

wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I need legal advice.

>

> My daughter's class has a field trip to a local

> Audobon Sanctuary scheduled at the end of May.

>

> Because of her problem with over heating, I am being

> pressured to keep her home that day.

>

> I explained that I don't allow the over heating

> issue to keep Alycia from enjoying outdoor

> activities. I adapt by keeping her well hydrated

> and cool through such tactics as keeping a wet hat

> on her head, spraying her with a water bottle or

> having her wear " ice cube " necklaces. I had been

> looking into cooling vests but I can't find any sold

> by a company that I know, plus the pediatrician

> expressed concern about the safety of this device.

> I explained that the pediatrician suggested that I

> carry a couple of moist shirts in an ice bag and put

> those on Alycia to keep her cool.

>

> Despite this, they are still concerned that Alycia

> won't be able to handle the trip and want me to keep

> her home. They don't want to have stop the trip and

> bring all the kids home should Alycia have a

> problem. In response, I offered to follow in my own

> vehicle, be responsible for keeping her cool, and be

> available to bring her home in my own vehicle if

> there is a problem.

>

> The response to this is that they can only allow a

> specific number of chaperones and no extra adults.

> I wouldn't actually be a chaperone since I would

> need the option to leave and I would be solely

> responsible for Alycia.

>

> I was also reminded that I need to put Alycia's

> health ahead of my desire to have her participate in

> this field trip.

>

> I haven't been told " No " outright, but it is

> definitely heading in that direction.

>

> Hopefully, the day will be mild so it won't be an

> issue but even a 70degree day would be enough to

> cause concern.

>

> Am I being selfish by insisting that Alycia be

> allowed on the trip? Is there any recourse if they

> tell me that I can't go with her as an aide due to

> rules about the number of chaperones allowed? I

> mean really!, I think that offering to follow in my

> own vehicle and tend to Alycia is a fair compromise

> but they don't seem agree.

>

> What should I do?

>

> Lori

>

>

> *********************************

> Lori Downs, Owner

> Hesperus Web Design

> http://www.HesperusWebDesign.com

> info@...

>

>

> ***************

>

> Get Free Web Site Marketing Advice:

> http://www.hesperuswebdesign.com/web_tips.htm

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Wow very intersting. I don't have legal advise just a

mother of a over-heating kid. What will be next them

asking you to keep her from doing other things to.

Sometimes if you make it easy on THEM they ask for

more. Give an inch take a mile. I don't think it is

selfish to want your kids to experience things, they

are already limited and to add one more thing to that

list may just be more harmful. Also is the bird

sanctuary only for that school or for the public to

use because you are the public. Me personally would

go to look at the birds and the school just happened

to have a field trip on the day I wanted to look at

birds. Then again I am not the most liked person

around because of my pushiness when it comes to my

kid. I don't know the specifics but thought I would

like to comment because I see this in our future soon.

Corrina Arnold

mother of

Tre 2y Glutaric Acidemia type 1

Aspen 5y unaffected

--- Lori Downs-Hesperus Web Design

wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I need legal advice.

>

> My daughter's class has a field trip to a local

> Audobon Sanctuary scheduled at the end of May.

>

> Because of her problem with over heating, I am being

> pressured to keep her home that day.

>

> I explained that I don't allow the over heating

> issue to keep Alycia from enjoying outdoor

> activities. I adapt by keeping her well hydrated

> and cool through such tactics as keeping a wet hat

> on her head, spraying her with a water bottle or

> having her wear " ice cube " necklaces. I had been

> looking into cooling vests but I can't find any sold

> by a company that I know, plus the pediatrician

> expressed concern about the safety of this device.

> I explained that the pediatrician suggested that I

> carry a couple of moist shirts in an ice bag and put

> those on Alycia to keep her cool.

>

> Despite this, they are still concerned that Alycia

> won't be able to handle the trip and want me to keep

> her home. They don't want to have stop the trip and

> bring all the kids home should Alycia have a

> problem. In response, I offered to follow in my own

> vehicle, be responsible for keeping her cool, and be

> available to bring her home in my own vehicle if

> there is a problem.

>

> The response to this is that they can only allow a

> specific number of chaperones and no extra adults.

> I wouldn't actually be a chaperone since I would

> need the option to leave and I would be solely

> responsible for Alycia.

>

> I was also reminded that I need to put Alycia's

> health ahead of my desire to have her participate in

> this field trip.

>

> I haven't been told " No " outright, but it is

> definitely heading in that direction.

>

> Hopefully, the day will be mild so it won't be an

> issue but even a 70degree day would be enough to

> cause concern.

>

> Am I being selfish by insisting that Alycia be

> allowed on the trip? Is there any recourse if they

> tell me that I can't go with her as an aide due to

> rules about the number of chaperones allowed? I

> mean really!, I think that offering to follow in my

> own vehicle and tend to Alycia is a fair compromise

> but they don't seem agree.

>

> What should I do?

>

> Lori

>

>

> *********************************

> Lori Downs, Owner

> Hesperus Web Design

> http://www.HesperusWebDesign.com

> info@...

>

>

> ***************

>

> Get Free Web Site Marketing Advice:

> http://www.hesperuswebdesign.com/web_tips.htm

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

lori,

are you kidding me about this school??!! ihave never heard of such a thing ( well maybe a few decades ago) i join emmy's class at every field trip and am solely responsible for her and am not there as a chaperone--it sounds like they are denying her rights here--try again to talk to the teachers and then you have to go above their heads if no change.

p.s. you are definitely not being selfish!

-mary

Lori Downs-Hesperus Web Design wrote:

Hi everyone,

I need legal advice.

My daughter's class has a field trip to a local Audobon Sanctuary scheduled at the end of May.

Because of her problem with over heating, I am being pressured to keep her home that day.

I explained that I don't allow the over heating issue to keep Alycia from enjoying outdoor activities. I adapt by keeping her well hydrated and cool through such tactics as keeping a wet hat on her head, spraying her with a water bottle or having her wear "ice cube" necklaces. I had been looking into cooling vests but I can't find any sold by a company that I know, plus the pediatrician expressed concern about the safety of this device. I explained that the pediatrician suggested that I carry a couple of moist shirts in an ice bag and put those on Alycia to keep her cool.

Despite this, they are still concerned that Alycia won't be able to handle the trip and want me to keep her home. They don't want to have stop the trip and bring all the kids home should Alycia have a problem. In response, I offered to follow in my own vehicle, be responsible for keeping her cool, and be available to bring her home in my own vehicle if there is a problem.

The response to this is that they can only allow a specific number of chaperones and no extra adults. I wouldn't actually be a chaperone since I would need the option to leave and I would be solely responsible for Alycia.

I was also reminded that I need to put Alycia's health ahead of my desire to have her participate in this field trip.

I haven't been told "No" outright, but it is definitely heading in that direction.

Hopefully, the day will be mild so it won't be an issue but even a 70degree day would be enough to cause concern.

Am I being selfish by insisting that Alycia be allowed on the trip? Is there any recourse if they tell me that I can't go with her as an aide due to rules about the number of chaperones allowed? I mean really!, I think that offering to follow in my own vehicle and tend to Alycia is a fair compromise but they don't seem agree.

What should I do?

Lori

*********************************Lori Downs, OwnerHesperus Web Designhttp://www.HesperusWebDesign.cominfo@...

***************

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[Guest guest]

lori,

are you kidding me about this school??!! ihave never heard of such a thing ( well maybe a few decades ago) i join emmy's class at every field trip and am solely responsible for her and am not there as a chaperone--it sounds like they are denying her rights here--try again to talk to the teachers and then you have to go above their heads if no change.

p.s. you are definitely not being selfish!

-mary

Lori Downs-Hesperus Web Design wrote:

Hi everyone,

I need legal advice.

My daughter's class has a field trip to a local Audobon Sanctuary scheduled at the end of May.

Because of her problem with over heating, I am being pressured to keep her home that day.

I explained that I don't allow the over heating issue to keep Alycia from enjoying outdoor activities. I adapt by keeping her well hydrated and cool through such tactics as keeping a wet hat on her head, spraying her with a water bottle or having her wear "ice cube" necklaces. I had been looking into cooling vests but I can't find any sold by a company that I know, plus the pediatrician expressed concern about the safety of this device. I explained that the pediatrician suggested that I carry a couple of moist shirts in an ice bag and put those on Alycia to keep her cool.

Despite this, they are still concerned that Alycia won't be able to handle the trip and want me to keep her home. They don't want to have stop the trip and bring all the kids home should Alycia have a problem. In response, I offered to follow in my own vehicle, be responsible for keeping her cool, and be available to bring her home in my own vehicle if there is a problem.

The response to this is that they can only allow a specific number of chaperones and no extra adults. I wouldn't actually be a chaperone since I would need the option to leave and I would be solely responsible for Alycia.

I was also reminded that I need to put Alycia's health ahead of my desire to have her participate in this field trip.

I haven't been told "No" outright, but it is definitely heading in that direction.

Hopefully, the day will be mild so it won't be an issue but even a 70degree day would be enough to cause concern.

Am I being selfish by insisting that Alycia be allowed on the trip? Is there any recourse if they tell me that I can't go with her as an aide due to rules about the number of chaperones allowed? I mean really!, I think that offering to follow in my own vehicle and tend to Alycia is a fair compromise but they don't seem agree.

What should I do?

Lori

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***************

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[Guest guest]

lori,

are you kidding me about this school??!! ihave never heard of such a thing ( well maybe a few decades ago) i join emmy's class at every field trip and am solely responsible for her and am not there as a chaperone--it sounds like they are denying her rights here--try again to talk to the teachers and then you have to go above their heads if no change.

p.s. you are definitely not being selfish!

-mary

Lori Downs-Hesperus Web Design wrote:

Hi everyone,

I need legal advice.

My daughter's class has a field trip to a local Audobon Sanctuary scheduled at the end of May.

Because of her problem with over heating, I am being pressured to keep her home that day.

I explained that I don't allow the over heating issue to keep Alycia from enjoying outdoor activities. I adapt by keeping her well hydrated and cool through such tactics as keeping a wet hat on her head, spraying her with a water bottle or having her wear "ice cube" necklaces. I had been looking into cooling vests but I can't find any sold by a company that I know, plus the pediatrician expressed concern about the safety of this device. I explained that the pediatrician suggested that I carry a couple of moist shirts in an ice bag and put those on Alycia to keep her cool.

Despite this, they are still concerned that Alycia won't be able to handle the trip and want me to keep her home. They don't want to have stop the trip and bring all the kids home should Alycia have a problem. In response, I offered to follow in my own vehicle, be responsible for keeping her cool, and be available to bring her home in my own vehicle if there is a problem.

The response to this is that they can only allow a specific number of chaperones and no extra adults. I wouldn't actually be a chaperone since I would need the option to leave and I would be solely responsible for Alycia.

I was also reminded that I need to put Alycia's health ahead of my desire to have her participate in this field trip.

I haven't been told "No" outright, but it is definitely heading in that direction.

Hopefully, the day will be mild so it won't be an issue but even a 70degree day would be enough to cause concern.

Am I being selfish by insisting that Alycia be allowed on the trip? Is there any recourse if they tell me that I can't go with her as an aide due to rules about the number of chaperones allowed? I mean really!, I think that offering to follow in my own vehicle and tend to Alycia is a fair compromise but they don't seem agree.

What should I do?

Lori

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WOW! I'm a teacher and I can't believe what I'm reading. Is there a special education teacher assigned to Alycia? Does she have an IEP? Remind the school of the ADA (Americans with Disibilities Act). If they don't let her go they are showing discrimination based on her diagnosis. I can't tell you what to do but I would stand firm. The school has the responsibility to include her in all activities -- don't let them take the easy way out. You have already been gracious by providing them several solutions. Have you thought about calling the Audobon Sanctuary to see if the number of adults/chaperones is really an issue?

Sue Ann

Re: Denied field trip - what are our rights?

Hi everyone,

I need legal advice.

My daughter's class has a field trip to a local Audobon Sanctuary scheduled at the end of May.

Because of her problem with over heating, I am being pressured to keep her home that day.

I explained that I don't allow the over heating issue to keep Alycia from enjoying outdoor activities. I adapt by keeping her well hydrated and cool through such tactics as keeping a wet hat on her head, spraying her with a water bottle or having her wear "ice cube" necklaces. I had been looking into cooling vests but I can't find any sold by a company that I know, plus the pediatrician expressed concern about the safety of this device. I explained that the pediatrician suggested that I carry a couple of moist shirts in an ice bag and put those on Alycia to keep her cool.

Despite this, they are still concerned that Alycia won't be able to handle the trip and want me to keep her home. They don't want to have stop the trip and bring all the kids home should Alycia have a problem. In response, I offered to follow in my own vehicle, be responsible for keeping her cool, and be available to bring her home in my own vehicle if there is a problem.

The response to this is that they can only allow a specific number of chaperones and no extra adults. I wouldn't actually be a chaperone since I would need the option to leave and I would be solely responsible for Alycia.

I was also reminded that I need to put Alycia's health ahead of my desire to have her participate in this field trip.

I haven't been told "No" outright, but it is definitely heading in that direction.

Hopefully, the day will be mild so it won't be an issue but even a 70degree day would be enough to cause concern.

Am I being selfish by insisting that Alycia be allowed on the trip? Is there any recourse if they tell me that I can't go with her as an aide due to rules about the number of chaperones allowed? I mean really!, I think that offering to follow in my own vehicle and tend to Alycia is a fair compromise but they don't seem agree.

What should I do?

Lori

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WOW! I'm a teacher and I can't believe what I'm reading. Is there a special education teacher assigned to Alycia? Does she have an IEP? Remind the school of the ADA (Americans with Disibilities Act). If they don't let her go they are showing discrimination based on her diagnosis. I can't tell you what to do but I would stand firm. The school has the responsibility to include her in all activities -- don't let them take the easy way out. You have already been gracious by providing them several solutions. Have you thought about calling the Audobon Sanctuary to see if the number of adults/chaperones is really an issue?

Sue Ann

Re: Denied field trip - what are our rights?

Hi everyone,

I need legal advice.

My daughter's class has a field trip to a local Audobon Sanctuary scheduled at the end of May.

Because of her problem with over heating, I am being pressured to keep her home that day.

I explained that I don't allow the over heating issue to keep Alycia from enjoying outdoor activities. I adapt by keeping her well hydrated and cool through such tactics as keeping a wet hat on her head, spraying her with a water bottle or having her wear "ice cube" necklaces. I had been looking into cooling vests but I can't find any sold by a company that I know, plus the pediatrician expressed concern about the safety of this device. I explained that the pediatrician suggested that I carry a couple of moist shirts in an ice bag and put those on Alycia to keep her cool.

Despite this, they are still concerned that Alycia won't be able to handle the trip and want me to keep her home. They don't want to have stop the trip and bring all the kids home should Alycia have a problem. In response, I offered to follow in my own vehicle, be responsible for keeping her cool, and be available to bring her home in my own vehicle if there is a problem.

The response to this is that they can only allow a specific number of chaperones and no extra adults. I wouldn't actually be a chaperone since I would need the option to leave and I would be solely responsible for Alycia.

I was also reminded that I need to put Alycia's health ahead of my desire to have her participate in this field trip.

I haven't been told "No" outright, but it is definitely heading in that direction.

Hopefully, the day will be mild so it won't be an issue but even a 70degree day would be enough to cause concern.

Am I being selfish by insisting that Alycia be allowed on the trip? Is there any recourse if they tell me that I can't go with her as an aide due to rules about the number of chaperones allowed? I mean really!, I think that offering to follow in my own vehicle and tend to Alycia is a fair compromise but they don't seem agree.

What should I do?

Lori

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WOW! I'm a teacher and I can't believe what I'm reading. Is there a special education teacher assigned to Alycia? Does she have an IEP? Remind the school of the ADA (Americans with Disibilities Act). If they don't let her go they are showing discrimination based on her diagnosis. I can't tell you what to do but I would stand firm. The school has the responsibility to include her in all activities -- don't let them take the easy way out. You have already been gracious by providing them several solutions. Have you thought about calling the Audobon Sanctuary to see if the number of adults/chaperones is really an issue?

Sue Ann

Re: Denied field trip - what are our rights?

Hi everyone,

I need legal advice.

My daughter's class has a field trip to a local Audobon Sanctuary scheduled at the end of May.

Because of her problem with over heating, I am being pressured to keep her home that day.

I explained that I don't allow the over heating issue to keep Alycia from enjoying outdoor activities. I adapt by keeping her well hydrated and cool through such tactics as keeping a wet hat on her head, spraying her with a water bottle or having her wear "ice cube" necklaces. I had been looking into cooling vests but I can't find any sold by a company that I know, plus the pediatrician expressed concern about the safety of this device. I explained that the pediatrician suggested that I carry a couple of moist shirts in an ice bag and put those on Alycia to keep her cool.

Despite this, they are still concerned that Alycia won't be able to handle the trip and want me to keep her home. They don't want to have stop the trip and bring all the kids home should Alycia have a problem. In response, I offered to follow in my own vehicle, be responsible for keeping her cool, and be available to bring her home in my own vehicle if there is a problem.

The response to this is that they can only allow a specific number of chaperones and no extra adults. I wouldn't actually be a chaperone since I would need the option to leave and I would be solely responsible for Alycia.

I was also reminded that I need to put Alycia's health ahead of my desire to have her participate in this field trip.

I haven't been told "No" outright, but it is definitely heading in that direction.

Hopefully, the day will be mild so it won't be an issue but even a 70degree day would be enough to cause concern.

Am I being selfish by insisting that Alycia be allowed on the trip? Is there any recourse if they tell me that I can't go with her as an aide due to rules about the number of chaperones allowed? I mean really!, I think that offering to follow in my own vehicle and tend to Alycia is a fair compromise but they don't seem agree.

What should I do?

Lori

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Lori,

I think you can't be any fairer than you are being. I think you are a great mum to insist that Alycia participate in these outings and you are obviously putting her health first as you have made many suggestions and are even willing to go along. I congratulate you for putting Alycia first and not the school!!!!

Donna (mum to Lochie 7/20/00 - 7/20/01)

Re: Denied field trip - what are our rights?

Hi everyone,

I need legal advice.

My daughter's class has a field trip to a local Audobon Sanctuary scheduled at the end of May.

Because of her problem with over heating, I am being pressured to keep her home that day.

I explained that I don't allow the over heating issue to keep Alycia from enjoying outdoor activities. I adapt by keeping her well hydrated and cool through such tactics as keeping a wet hat on her head, spraying her with a water bottle or having her wear "ice cube" necklaces. I had been looking into cooling vests but I can't find any sold by a company that I know, plus the pediatrician expressed concern about the safety of this device. I explained that the pediatrician suggested that I carry a couple of moist shirts in an ice bag and put those on Alycia to keep her cool.

Despite this, they are still concerned that Alycia won't be able to handle the trip and want me to keep her home. They don't want to have stop the trip and bring all the kids home should Alycia have a problem. In response, I offered to follow in my own vehicle, be responsible for keeping her cool, and be available to bring her home in my own vehicle if there is a problem.

The response to this is that they can only allow a specific number of chaperones and no extra adults. I wouldn't actually be a chaperone since I would need the option to leave and I would be solely responsible for Alycia.

I was also reminded that I need to put Alycia's health ahead of my desire to have her participate in this field trip.

I haven't been told "No" outright, but it is definitely heading in that direction.

Hopefully, the day will be mild so it won't be an issue but even a 70degree day would be enough to cause concern.

Am I being selfish by insisting that Alycia be allowed on the trip? Is there any recourse if they tell me that I can't go with her as an aide due to rules about the number of chaperones allowed? I mean really!, I think that offering to follow in my own vehicle and tend to Alycia is a fair compromise but they don't seem agree.

What should I do?

Lori

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Lori,

As a teacher I can understand their concern. However, all they have to do is tell the place they are going to that they have a child with special needs and must follow ADA compliance issues which include her having her own one on one aide (you) to be present. It is a federal law that the facility must comply with. It is perfectly reasonable for you to drive your own vehicle behind the bus, or even bring her yourself and meet them their. We do this with my children all the time as they are not allowed to ride the bus due to the heat and exhaust issues on the school buses. They can suggest all they want. In reality it is their legal responsibility to make sure she can go. They really should be providing the aide to go with her and proper transportation. This is under IDEA. Individuals with Disabilities education Act. Don't let them get lazy on you. She has a right to go and they have the legal responsibility to make it happen. Hope this helps.

Hugs

O

[Guest guest]

Hey,

What are IEP's?

Krystena

Re: Denied field trip - what are our rights?

Lori, The school cannot legally keep Alycia from going on the field trip.ESPECIALLY since you have offered all your help! That is calleddiscrimination. And they certainly can't expect you to keep her home!!!!That is outrageous!! You have offered a more than fair compromise and ifyou went to a Due Process hearing, IMHO, you'd win hands down! When goes on a field trip they love when I go because A) I'm anextra adult (never heard of too many adults on a field trip!!) and theydon't need to send a nurse. If I can't go then they will happily provide anurse. We address field trips in the kids' IEPs. Might be something tothink about. BTW, and are heat intolerant as well and I'venever had a problem finding something for to do if he gets overheatedor doesn't like the trip. Me, him, the aide and nurse go off on our own. Don't let them guilt you into keeping Alycia home if she really wantsto go. You are dealing with her health concerns in a proper manner! Good luck and keep us posted!! :)Sue & Jack-worn out parents to the greatest kids on earth in Las Vegas, NV-11 & 10-Both w/Leigh's Disease (?), MR (mild), g-tube, w/fundo, larynotracheomalacia, trach, vent 24/7. Visit us!http://u2.lvcm.com/jscbI need legal advice.My daughter's class has a field trip to a local Audobon Sanctuary scheduledat the end of May.Because of her problem with over heating, I am being pressured to keep herhome that day.>snip<Please contact mito-owner with any problems or questions.

[Guest guest]

Hey,

What are IEP's?

Krystena

Re: Denied field trip - what are our rights?

Lori, The school cannot legally keep Alycia from going on the field trip.ESPECIALLY since you have offered all your help! That is calleddiscrimination. And they certainly can't expect you to keep her home!!!!That is outrageous!! You have offered a more than fair compromise and ifyou went to a Due Process hearing, IMHO, you'd win hands down! When goes on a field trip they love when I go because A) I'm anextra adult (never heard of too many adults on a field trip!!) and theydon't need to send a nurse. If I can't go then they will happily provide anurse. We address field trips in the kids' IEPs. Might be something tothink about. BTW, and are heat intolerant as well and I'venever had a problem finding something for to do if he gets overheatedor doesn't like the trip. Me, him, the aide and nurse go off on our own. Don't let them guilt you into keeping Alycia home if she really wantsto go. You are dealing with her health concerns in a proper manner! Good luck and keep us posted!! :)Sue & Jack-worn out parents to the greatest kids on earth in Las Vegas, NV-11 & 10-Both w/Leigh's Disease (?), MR (mild), g-tube, w/fundo, larynotracheomalacia, trach, vent 24/7. Visit us!http://u2.lvcm.com/jscbI need legal advice.My daughter's class has a field trip to a local Audobon Sanctuary scheduledat the end of May.Because of her problem with over heating, I am being pressured to keep herhome that day.>snip<Please contact mito-owner with any problems or questions.

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb,

Alycia sweats like this as well.

In her case, I have learned not to let the sweating bother me unless she starts showing signs of distress such as increased flushing, signs of fatigue, floppiness, and confusion. Of couse, I don't let it get this far. I act when I see signs of flushing.

I make sure that she is well hydrated when she is playing and if she seems to be getting flushed, I tell her to rest in the shade until she recovers.

On really hot days, I spray her with a spray bottle frequently, put wet hats on her head and sometimes put wet t-shirts on her.

If it is unbearably hot, she has to stay inside with air conditioning.

I hope this helps.

Lori

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Re: Denied field trip - what are our rights?

Am I being selfish by insisting that Alycia be allowed on the trip? Is there any recourse if they tell me that I can't go with her as an aide due to rules about the number of chaperones allowed? I mean really!, I think that offering to follow in my own vehicle and tend to Alycia is a fair compromise but they don't seem agree.man I don't know anything about the law but I can't believe they are being so unreasonable!to change the subject though...I am worried about ...he sweats a great deal even in the cool of the morning, but he lives to play outside...he walks in our front door after school, and out the back door...how do I know if he has a heat sensitivity and what problem would it cause?deb Please contact mito-owner with any problems or questions.

[Guest guest]

It is an individual education plan. Your child starts

it when they begin school where the parent and school

get together and figure out what is best for your

child. At least that is what is SUPPOSED to happen.

If your child is not in school yet it is called an

IFSP which is an Individualized Family Service Plan.

Corrina

--- Krystena s wrote:

> Hey,

>

> What are IEP's?

>

>

>

> Krystena

> Re: Denied field trip - what are

> our rights?

>

>

> Lori,

> The school cannot legally keep Alycia from

> going on the field trip.

> ESPECIALLY since you have offered all your help!

> That is called

> discrimination. And they certainly can't expect

> you to keep her home!!!!

> That is outrageous!! You have offered a more than

> fair compromise and if

> you went to a Due Process hearing, IMHO, you'd win

> hands down!

> When goes on a field trip they love

> when I go because A) I'm an

> extra adult (never heard of too many adults on a

> field trip!!) and they

> don't need to send a nurse. If I can't go then

> they will happily provide a

> nurse. We address field trips in the kids' IEPs.

> Might be something to

> think about. BTW, and are heat

> intolerant as well and I've

> never had a problem finding something for to

> do if he gets overheated

> or doesn't like the trip. Me, him, the aide and

> nurse go off on our own.

> Don't let them guilt you into keeping Alycia

> home if she really wants

> to go. You are dealing with her health concerns

> in a proper manner!

> Good luck and keep us posted!!

>

> Sue & Jack-worn out parents to the greatest kids

> on earth in Las Vegas, NV-

> 11 & 10-Both w/Leigh's Disease (?), MR

> (mild), g-tube,

> w/fundo, larynotracheomalacia, trach, vent 24/7.

> Visit us!

> http://u2.lvcm.com/jscb

>

>

>

> I need legal advice.

>

> My daughter's class has a field trip to a local

> Audobon Sanctuary scheduled

> at the end of May.

>

> Because of her problem with over heating, I am

> being pressured to keep her

> home that day.

> >snip<

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lori;

From the other side of the fence ... when I had special needs students

.... it was always very important to me to choose somewhere to go with the

class as a filed trip where ALL students in the class could have access.

A class is a class and an entity to itself.

Alycia is part of that class ... it's just that simple. You have

the right on your side, legally, as others have said ... but a statement

from a teacher saying that location consideration which ensures access

for all is much more important in the memories of the whole class ... than

a nice little excursion away from having to teach for a day! If the

teacher didn't do this thought process, then professionalism is in question!

I would ask WHY this location was chosen, if there was a concern for including

Alycia in the field trip. Good thing there are only a few more days

in the school year ... hopefully this attitude is limited to one teacher

rather than a school policy! If it is a school policy ... fight it

or fly away from it to better and more inclusive pastures!

Stick to your guns, my friend

Jean

Lori Downs-Hesperus Web Design wrote:

Hi

everyone, I need legal

advice. My daughter's

class has a field trip to a local Audobon Sanctuary scheduled at the end

of May. Because of

her problem with over heating, I am being pressured to keep her home that

day.