Re: Intro and need some help - Long

[Guest guest]

Naturethroid is back on the market now, I owuld call around and ask for

a script. With high RT3 the WORST thing you can do is take a T4 onyl

medication. I think your low ferritin is what caused it and possibly low

cortiosl as well, but you can post the saliva cortils labs to the

adrenals group,link in my signature lines. They are closed for break

right now but reopen Sunday AM.

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[Guest guest]

Have you read Nick's excellent RT3 website? Perhaps you have already, but if

not, don't miss it, tons of info there

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

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> Hi Everyone,

>

> I've been reading and trying to get the information about Rt3 to sink in but I

think I'm at the point of needing someone to help me understand if this is an

issue for me or not.

>

> Here is my history -

> I was on Levox for several years and was miserable. Then I took Armour for a

couple of years, 90mg 2x's a day until the supplies ran out. I was okay but

still not 100%. I was continuing to work on raising low ferritin and low Vit D

by taking supplements.

>

> I tried to switch to NT but those supplies were gone too. The NT script was

sent to a compounding pharmacy and I started on 130mg 2x's a day at the

beginning of Jan. Within a week and a few days I knew it was too much and backed

down to ONE 130mg 1x per day. Two weeks later I developed tremors, muscle

weakness and pain and racing heart. Blood tests indicated " toxic levels " of Ft3

and Ft4 (over 19,ranges top out at 1.77 and 4.4). My doctor stopped all meds and

put me on a Beta

> blocker for two weeks and then did labs ~

>

> Feb 1st on no meds labs were:

> TSH 0.010 Range 0.450-4.500 Low

> Ft4 0.70 Range 0.82-1.77 Low

> Ft3 1.8 Range 2.0-4.4 Low

> VitD 19.6 Range 32.0-100 Low

> Iron S 126 Range 35 - 155

> Ferritin 51 Range 10 - 291

> My doctor asked me to up Vit D to 5,000iu daily and wait two weeks to test

thyroid again.

>

> Lab results for Feb 22 still no meds (I asked for Rt3 & TPO):

> TSH 4.520 Range 0.45-4.50 High

> Ft4 0.68 Range 0.82-1.77 Low

> Ft3 2.1 Range 2.0-4.4

> RevT3 143 Range 90-350

> TPO 253 Range 0-34 (Down from over 600 last year)

>

> My doctor is going on the assumption that the compounding pharmacy made an

error in my script and that's why my levels went too high. Now he's refused to

put me back on compounded natural because of what happened. He put me back on

Levox at 50mg 1 x per day saying he needs to see if I'm able to convert to T3 or

not. Needless to say I don't feel good. I'm tired, grumpy, bloated, muscle and

joint pain, gained 4 pounds, stomach cramps and my hands and feet are cold all

the time. I've just started charting my temps again and I'm continuing to take

5,000 IU's of Vit D daily and as much iron as my stomach can handle, which since

I started the Levox again is about 50mgs per day. I'm not sure why my stomach

has been a mess, maybe it's not connected?

>

> I did saliva testing last year and was found to have low normal a.m., low late

morning, lower late afternoon and then high night. My doctor insists that this

means only that I am stressed and my adrenals are working just fine and are

simply responding to the stress in my life and it's NOT my adrenals making me

feel tired.

>

> Btw, I know that I have to get off the Levox but I feel stuck until one of the

products comes back into the pharmacy. I live in Maine and there simply are not

a lot of options to find doctors who are willing to prescribe Armour or NT and I

can't afford the testing over and over on my own dime.

>

> Anyway, I apologize for the novel. I just keep hitting a wall with all this

and am hoping to find someone or something to help me help myself.

>

> Thank you!

>

>

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>Btw, I know that I have to get off the Levox but I feel stuck until one of the

products comes back into the pharmacy. I live in Maine and there simply are not

a lot of options to find doctors who are willing to prescribe Armour or NT and I

can't afford the testing over and over on my own dime.

You could always do a private import of greater pharma or Thyroid S

from one of the mail order places.

You should be able to buy Erfa from Canada with a stateside

prescription as well.

Otherwise try the T3 only route, you are very hypo looking at your

labs and 50 of T4 is not going to sort that out

Nick

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www.thyroid-rt3.com

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for your responses! The web site is great and has tons of info in it! On private NT ordering, I'll be honest that after the experience I had with going hyper I've become afraid of self dosing without having a lab at my disposal to check with frequently. It was a very intense experience and one that has made me pretty medicine shy now. I hate feeling doctor dependent but right now finances have me stuck there since I can't afford private labs every 6 weeks or with every dose increase.

Can someone tell me if my Rt3 is an issue with the labs I have posted or is it not something to look at until I get the Ferritin and Vit D up more and then test the Rt3 again?

btw, my Ferritin at 51 is the highest (was down in the 20's and 30's) I've been able to get it for over two years of testing. Does it need to be up over 70 or have people been successful down in the 50's?

Thank you again,

[Guest guest]

>Can someone tell me if my Rt3 is an issue with the labs I have posted or is it

not something to look at until I get the Ferritin and Vit D up more and then

test the Rt3 again?

>

>btw, my Ferritin at 51 is the highest (was down in the 20's and 30's) I've been

able to get it for over two years of testing. Does it need to be up over 70 or

have people been successful down in the 50's?

With the labs you've posted you are so badly hypo that we can't tell

if there is an RT3 issue. You need to get enough thyroid hormone into

you to get the RT3 to the top of the rannge and then recheck RT3.

As your cortisol is low then you will probably need HC to be able to

do that, if you join the adrenal group and post your last set of labs

with ranges then someone will give advice on doseage

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

Your ferritin at 50 is enough to start thyroid treatment but you will

need to keep supplementing iron heavily so that by the time you are on

a larger dose you will have higher ferritin

Did you get any labs when you were hyper or take a temperature?? It

may have been adrenal symptoms or ferritin symptoms and not actually

hyper.

In terms of Dr support your if your Dr will prescribe you can get Erfa

and take it with his lab support.

The nice thing about the T3 only route is that it's much easier to

dose by symptoms/pulse/temperature as any overose wears off in a

matter of hours to a day at the most so it is more forgiving of

mistakes

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much for writing Nick. I did have labs when I was hyper but do

not have a copy of them. My doctor called me on a Saturday morning while I was

out and left a rather upset message telling me that I had to stop all meds

immediately because I had gone into the " toxic range " in both my Ft3 and Ft4.

He said three times in the message to stop all meds, not to take any more and to

call him on his pager when I got in. Not really the kind of message you want to

get!

I really appreciate your help. I'll contact my doctor tomorrow and push harder.

Thank you again.

>

> >Can someone tell me if my Rt3 is an issue with the labs I have posted or is

it not something to look at until I get the Ferritin and Vit D up more and then

test the Rt3 again?

> >

> >btw, my Ferritin at 51 is the highest (was down in the 20's and 30's) I've

been able to get it for over two years of testing. Does it need to be up over

70 or have people been successful down in the 50's?

>

> With the labs you've posted you are so badly hypo that we can't tell

> if there is an RT3 issue. You need to get enough thyroid hormone into

> you to get the RT3 to the top of the rannge and then recheck RT3.

>

> As your cortisol is low then you will probably need HC to be able to

> do that, if you join the adrenal group and post your last set of labs

> with ranges then someone will give advice on doseage

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

> Your ferritin at 50 is enough to start thyroid treatment but you will

> need to keep supplementing iron heavily so that by the time you are on

> a larger dose you will have higher ferritin

>

> Did you get any labs when you were hyper or take a temperature?? It

> may have been adrenal symptoms or ferritin symptoms and not actually

> hyper.

>

> In terms of Dr support your if your Dr will prescribe you can get Erfa

> and take it with his lab support.

>

> The nice thing about the T3 only route is that it's much easier to

> dose by symptoms/pulse/temperature as any overose wears off in a

> matter of hours to a day at the most so it is more forgiving of

> mistakes

>

> Nick

>

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> for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

>

> www.thyroid-rt3.com

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