Grains

[Guest guest]

Yes you should limit it to a minimum.

Experiencing the benefit of the O diet, try eating like an O.

ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com

Re: Grains

Okay now I'm a little confused, but it doesn't take much. I've been

using Dr. D'Adamo's website as my guide, thinking it is the most up

to date. It lists essene bread (manna bread) as beneficial for O's,

because it is a healthy alternative to other grains. Ezekiel is

listed as a neutral, you are right, but is essene good, or should I

limit this too?

> > > We have a new person so I get to tell ym limited BTD journey

again-

> > LOL.

> > >

> > > When I first started, I thought grains are so important. They

were

> > a star in

> > > my habitual eating for sure.

> > >

> > > So, for the first couple of weeks, I went hard at adding more

meat

> > and

> > > greens, bene-fruits. However, breakfast had to be cereal, right?

> > >

> > > I felt an improvement with BTD, and one day the meat/veggie

chant

> > from this

> > > list actually sunk in, and I tried a more compliant- nograin-

> > breakfast.

> > >

> > > BAM! Two days after that. I was a no-grainer (it was a no-

brainer

> > for me).

> > >

> > > On the few occasions since then where grains seemed " necessary "

> > for my

> > > enjoyment, my energy dropped, my sleep pattern went off kilter.

> > >

> > > give no grains a test drive and see what happens to your energy.

> > Have a taco

> > > salad (no tortillas) for breakfast. Eat a steak for lunch, slam

> > down a

> > > burger patty with plenty of veggies and see how you feel!

> > >

> > > Next, I have to get my arss in gear- exercise makes a huge

> > difference, and I

> > > have yet to make it habit.

> > >

> > > Vive le Bouef,

> > >

> > > Joy

[Guest guest]

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:20:53 -0400

From: " Dickheady " <info@...>

Subject: RE: Re: Grains

Manna doesn't have any gluten.

ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.fecesforyourblood.com

Re: Grains

Essene (manna) bread is beneficial AND should be limited.

As the old saying goes " too much of a good thing can be bad " . In

this case it doesn't take much to make grains " too much " even a

beneficial grain product like manna bread.

If you are sensitive to gluten don't eat manna bread.

Don

~~~

Isn't the manna bread the dense, moist, chewy kind? Better than that dry hockey

puck Ezekiel. Ezekiel is good for Kabbalists, not so good for making O compliant

bread. Actually, the Ezekiel bread I've seen in the HFSs looks like they are

deficient in salt. Probably because the makers have fallen for the sodium=death

health scare of our times.

I'd agree with Dickheady (which I'm not eager to do). When the evil wheat grain

is sprouted it loses its harmful gluten. Oh.... delicious wheat, how wonderful

you are after sprouting! Hey everyone, let's all sprout wheat and become a new

group, " The Paleo-Wheaties " or something!

[Guest guest]

>

As flour is ground, Is there still any of the problems you mentioned.

I use spelt mainly.

> I soak grains in water and a tablespoon of kefir overnight for about

> 8 hours then it cooks in about 5-10min.

>

> ---

[Guest guest]

This may help

http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/ourdailybread.html

> >

> As flour is ground, Is there still any of the problems you

mentioned.

> I use spelt mainly.

>

>

>

>

> > I soak grains in water and a tablespoon of kefir overnight for

about

> > 8 hours then it cooks in about 5-10min.

> >

> > ---

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Is it absolutely impossible to cure candida while eating grains?

>

Hi ,

I think most people here would tell you " yes " . Many group members have

tried other versions of an " anti-candida " diet that allowed grains and

they were not able to get better on that kid of diet. Grains have

really gotta' go.

This info (see below) is from Bee's main article, it may help you

understand better.

hope that helps,

jackie

==>Eliminate all grains, seeds, nuts and legumes*

*Note: Legumes (French) are plants with seed pods, i.e. beans and

peas, but not green, yellow or string beans.

All grains feed Candida because they have a high glycemic index just

like sugar, and like sugar they feed Candida and create insulin

resistance within the cells.

Also, some grains contain gluten, which is an elastic gluey protein

found in wheat, rye, barley, oats, spelt, kamut, triticale, and it is

hidden in an endless variety of processed foods. Triticale is a new

hybrid grain with the properties of wheat and rye, while spelt and

kamut are gluten-containing wheat variants (despite claims to the

contrary) and are likely to cause problems similar to other wheat

varieties.

Gluten is a protein that is very difficult to digest, and causes a

great deal of intestinal damage. This damage, combined with the

effects of yeast overgrowth, makes the intestines incapable of

absorbing nutrients such as proteins, carbohydrates, fats, vitamins,

minerals, and even water, in some cases.

Most Candida sufferers are gluten intolerant, and have often been

diagnosed with celiac disease prior to finding out about candida.

Our grain food supply also contains mycotoxins (a toxin produced by a

fungus), especially found in corn and wheat. This inherent in the

grain during growth and it cannot be removed. Mycotoxins suppress

immune function. See the section on Yeast, Mold and Fungus for more

information.

Grains that are safer to consume are more seed-like than grain-like,

and they do not contain gluten. These grains include amaranth,

buckwheat, millet and quinoa. Brown rice is also a safe grain.

However, these grains are high in carbs, like all other grains, which

feeds candida.

They should not be consumed until you've progressed far enough on the

candida program so your body can handle them. Some people who are

losing weight too rapidly might have to eat small amounts of safe

grains to stop their weight loss, but even then they should only

consume a maximum of 1/4 cup per day.

Even when it is safe for you to consume grains, nuts, seeds, and

legumes, they must all be properly prepared in order to make them fit

to eat. This is because they all contain phytic acid which combines

with calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and especially zinc in the

intestinal tract and blocks their absorption.

This is why a diet high in such foods may lead to serious mineral

deficiencies, bone loss and other related diseases, including

Parkinson's, and erratic unstable heart beats. Also improperly

processed grains, seeds, nuts, legumes, bran, etc. can cause irritable

bowel syndrome, colon cancer, and many other adverse affects.

Proper preparing involves soaking which allows enzymes, lactobacilli

and other helpful organisms to break down and neutralize phytic acid

and their protein blocking enzymes. Therefore all grains must be

properly soaked, spouted or leavened with sour dough, to make them fit

for anyone to eat, and all nuts, seeds, and legumes must be soaked in

an acidic medium or salt.

Animals that nourish themselves primarily on grain and other plant

matter are called herbivores. Some have as many as four stomachs, with

longer intestines and their digestion transit time is also longer.

Many animals, including man, have one stomach and a much shorter

intestine compared to herbivores.

These features allow man to digest animal products and natural fats

easily, but they make him less well adapted to digest plant foods,

particularly grains, legumes, nuts and seeds. In fact the human

digestive system is totally unable to break down fibers in plant foods.

The more fibre foods eaten the harder it is on the intestines, which

have to work very hard to get rid of all of those fibers, making the

bowels move too quickly. This also means fewer nutrients are being

absorbed from foods. Fibers are never a solution for constipation, in

fact grains cause constipation. The solution to constipation is plenty

of " good " saturated fats.

[Guest guest]

In my experience, Quinoa is the least harmful of the grains.

Oats, Millet, and Amaranth seem okay as well.

Marc

> I had wondered about grains and gluten. Have been avoiding wheat but

> I have been eating ryvita and oats. I recently read that oats are

> often comtaminated with gluten from the processing plant but one can

> buy certified gluten-free oats now (Bob's Red Mill is one I believe).

[Guest guest]

Again, Sue's experience is similar - she tolerates quinoa well. So we both

eat a lot of it now! It is extra useful because it is also a protein

substitute.

Ian

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Marc

Sent: 18 January 2008 21:12

Subject: Re: grains

In my experience, Quinoa is the least harmful of the grains.

Oats, Millet, and Amaranth seem okay as well.

Marc

> I had wondered about grains and gluten. Have been avoiding wheat but

> I have been eating ryvita and oats. I recently read that oats are

> often comtaminated with gluten from the processing plant but one can

> buy certified gluten-free oats now (Bob's Red Mill is one I believe).

[Guest guest]

One person's experience with grains can be entirely different from

someone else's. So we can't say that such-and-such a grain is " least

harmful. "

What is least harmful to you may be awful for me.

Millet and quinoa, for example are not at all good for those of Vata

constitution, Ayurvedically speaking. That's us folks who are thin and

chillier

than most.

No grains are good for those of the metabolic type that cannot handle

them well, who needs more fat/protein.

The above is aside from problems some have with gluten.

In addition, we have individual reactions that are just our own. There

is no one-size-fits-all dietary plan.

Shivani Arjuna

www.LifeEnergies.com

**************

Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch

video on AOL Living.

(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/\

2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

[Guest guest]

>

> I can't seem to locate the file that talks about preparing grains.

Can someone please tell me where it is?

==>It is in an article after all of the Folders. After you click on

Files use your Edit Find on this page function on the top of your

Internet Browser with the word grains and you will get the article.

Bee

[Guest guest]

> ==>It is in an article after all of the Folders. After you click on

> Files use your Edit Find on this page function on the top of your

> Internet Browser with the word grains and you will get the article.

>

> Bee

>

Thanks, Bee. However, I have no idea where this Edit Find on this page

function is. I don't see it anywhere.

Cathe

[Guest guest]

> ==>It is in an article after all of the Folders. After you click on

> Files use your Edit Find on this page function on the top of your

> Internet Browser with the word grains and you will get the article.

>

> Bee

>

Strike that, I found it!!

Cathe

[Guest guest]

>

> > ==>It is in an article after all of the Folders. After you click

on

> > Files use your Edit Find on this page function on the top of your

> > Internet Browser with the word grains and you will get the

article.

> >

> > Bee

> >

>

>

> Thanks, Bee. However, I have no idea where this Edit Find on this

page

> function is. I don't see it anywhere.

==>At the very top of your Browser you will see File, Edit, View,

Favorites, Tools, and Help: Under Edit see " Find on This Page " - it

is on all Internet Browsers.

Bee

[Guest guest]

> >

> > > ==>It is in an article after all of the Folders. After you click

> on

>

> ==>At the very top of your Browser you will see File, Edit, View,

> Favorites, Tools, and Help: Under Edit see " Find on This Page " - it

> is on all Internet Browsers.

>

> Bee

>

Found it, Bee. Actually, on my browser there is no word next to it,

just an icon that looks like a magnifying glass--that's why it was so

hard to find.

Thanks for your help,

Cathe

[Guest guest]

For those that have success cutting out Gluten (I did) does this

include Rice. Do you also find the rice grain to be problematic?

cheers

[Guest guest]

Rice does not contain gluten. I ate a lot of rice products last year when I

was doing no gluten. It worked great- there is even rice pasta so I could

still have my spaghetti. However, everyone is individual and has different

food sensitivities. The great thing about rice is it doesn't aggravate the

yeast issue like wheat.

Best of luck!

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:33 AM, Agentbleu <colourbleu@...> wrote:

> For those that have success cutting out Gluten (I did) does this

> include Rice. Do you also find the rice grain to be problematic?

>

> cheers

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i find grains very hard on the stomach. any grain makes my arthritis

worse. see:

http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles/Arthritis%20PDF.pdf

monique

[Guest guest]

I've been buying my gluten free bread ( & GF cereals) from Amazon.com.

It's about half the price of what Whole Foods charges, and the shipping

is free.

Amy

Eva Holloway wrote:

>

> we have a whole food market here and we have a large variety of

> breads. this week I have a cinnamon/raisin bread. that is very tasty.

> they also have bread mixes for bread machines here. I found pie

> shells, biscuits, muffins etc at that market. My husband works close

> by the store, so when I run low he gets more bread for me. Yes, some

> of the rice breads do crumble and they have to be frozen if you don't

> eat them right away. I put wax paper between the slices so I can take

> out what I need without the bread falling apart. I thought Trader Joes

> carries some of that bread.

>

> Eva

>

> --- Thu, 11/20/08, Harald Weiss, Technical Marketing Group

> <hweiss@... <mailto:hweiss%40tmgp.com>> wrote:

>

> From: Harald Weiss, Technical Marketing Group <hweiss@...

> <mailto:hweiss%40tmgp.com>>

> Subject: Re: rheumatic Grains

> rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 10:19 PM

>

> Eva,

>

> Breads made from rice are hard to find. One of the sources here in

> Southern California is Mothers Markets, which only has five locations.

>

> One of the problems with rice bread is that it is very crumbly. You

> handle it, and if falls apart.

>

> Rice is perfect for arthritis, since it is gluten-free.

>

> Sincerely, Harald

>

> At 05:49 AM 11/20/2008, you wrote:

>

> >I am on a gluten-free diet, but rice is one item that a lot of

> >breads are made from. I have no problem with rice. When I sneak

> >regular bread in my diet I can tell. I have been only on this diet

> >for ten months and can tell the difference.

> >

> >Eva

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

---- Hi Bee,

---- For some reason i thought a while back i saw grain on your menu list, but

as i just discovered i didint. Wow thank you, as i hadnt ate any millet yet.

---- I see that nuts are on there so i will stick with those.

---- I bought some unroasted and untoasted a organic almonds yesterday and

blanched them and their drying right now. I will go easy on them though.

---- Bee i never saw yellow or green split peas on your list, i like them from

previous lifestyle, are they ok to have while preparing them properly.

---- Finally, while at the organic store a produce worker told me of Santevia

pure earth water, it sounds legite, i tried some at the store and it tasted

fresh. Im not computer literate for posting links, but its just Santevia.com.

Thanks again Caine.

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> ---- Hi Bee,

>

> ---- For some reason i thought a while back i saw grain on your menu list, but

as i just discovered i didint. Wow thank you, as i hadnt ate any millet yet.

> ---- I see that nuts are on there so i will stick with those.

> ---- I bought some unroasted and untoasted a organic almonds yesterday and

blanched them and their drying right now. I will go easy on them though.

> ---- Bee i never saw yellow or green split peas on your list, i like them from

previous lifestyle, are they ok to have while preparing them properly.

> ---- Finally, while at the organic store a produce worker told me of Santevia

pure earth water, it sounds legite, i tried some at the store and it tasted

fresh. Im not computer literate for posting links, but its just Santevia.com.

+++Hi Caine. Yellow and green split peas are a legume, which are beans and peas

that are grown in pods, and they are very high in carbs and starches just like

grains, so they are not included.

Santevia water is just like distilled or reverse osmosis water, since they

remove all of the minerals in natural water and then re-mineralize it and they

also leach minerals from your body. Therefore, I do not recommend it.

Instead use a simple charcoal filter like Brita or Pur to filter your regular

tap water, since commercial minerals added to water cannot possibly duplicate

Mother Nature's minerals.

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

---- Hi Bee,

---- Ok thank you, will refrain from peas as well, and yeah i was a bit

skeptical as far as reintroducing mother natures minerals with the santevia, but

it sounded so good. Caine

> >

> >

> >

> > ---- Hi Bee,

> >

> > ---- For some reason i thought a while back i saw grain on your menu list,

but as i just discovered i didint. Wow thank you, as i hadnt ate any millet yet.

>

> > ---- I see that nuts are on there so i will stick with those.

>

> > ---- I bought some unroasted and untoasted a organic almonds yesterday and

blanched them and their drying right now. I will go easy on them though.

>

> > ---- Bee i never saw yellow or green split peas on your list, i like them

from previous lifestyle, are they ok to have while preparing them properly.

>

> > ---- Finally, while at the organic store a produce worker told me of

Santevia pure earth water, it sounds legite, i tried some at the store and it

tasted fresh. Im not computer literate for posting links, but its just

Santevia.com.

>

> +++Hi Caine. Yellow and green split peas are a legume, which are beans and

peas that are grown in pods, and they are very high in carbs and starches just

like grains, so they are not included.

>

> Santevia water is just like distilled or reverse osmosis water, since they

remove all of the minerals in natural water and then re-mineralize it and they

also leach minerals from your body. Therefore, I do not recommend it.

>

> Instead use a simple charcoal filter like Brita or Pur to filter your regular

tap water, since commercial minerals added to water cannot possibly duplicate

Mother Nature's minerals.

>

> The best in health, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

You can use them in any medium you want but do not expect them to grow

except in the correct medium. Milk kefir grains grow in milk and water

grains grow in sugar water.

Marilyn

On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 7:35 PM, <wcoy79@...> wrote:

> Hello,

> I was wondering if there was a difference between WKG and MKG. If I buy

> grains, can I use them in milk or water, or do I have to buy specific grains

> for each type?

> Thanks

>

>

> Ron for President 2012

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

WKG and MKG grains are pretty much completely different. They have only 5

micro-buddies in common. If you tried to use MKG is water or WKG in milk, it

would be a disaster.

for president!!!

Sincerely,

Bird

and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy

From: wcoy79@...

Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:35:03 -0400

Subject: Grains

Hello,

I was wondering if there was a difference between WKG and MKG. If I buy grains,

can I use them in milk or water, or do I have to buy specific grains for each

type?

Thanks

Ron for President 2012

[Guest guest]

Hey Jim,

sorry to hear about your troubles with Dom. I think n has an over

abundance and probably Marilyn does as well.

Breathe in, breathe out. Someone here will help you out.

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 1, 2012, at 10:13 AM, jim allAn <redknight@...> wrote:

> That's it. I officially give up on getting the grains I ordered and

> paid for from Dom. I am personally accusing him of fraud for never

> delivering my grains.

> In light of this I am requesting grains from anyone here. Just send

> me the particulars and I will send payment to you.

>

> --

> Jim allAn aka redknight

>

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