Re: T3 and 's

March 23, 2010

Hi

Sandy the symptoms below sound like either low ferritin or adrenals. Have you had them both tested.This is why the group do not like the wilsons protocol.

http://thyroid-rt3.com/what.htm

Sky a fellow aussie.

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, 24 March, 2010 11:25:48 AMSubject: T3 and 's

I am especially interested in knowing if it would work with heart pounding and anxiety [my main issue when I tried T3 last month]Sandy

March 23, 2010

Hi Sandy. I tried the 's

protocol this past summer. I did four rounds starting in August and completed my last round in November. I saw improvements in the first couple of months but they didn't last for long and I never "captured" an optimal temp.

My doctor only wanted me to go up to 37.5mcg 2 x daily because of "risk". Maybe this is why it didn't work for me. I just never got to a high enough dose. Also the way it was presribed I was only on it for a few weeks at a time then you had to ween down and take two weeks off in between rounds. Doctors can do it differently. I've heard once someone "captures" their temp. a dr. will let them stay on that dose for a few months. Doing it that way would work much better.

When I was done with my last round in November I had blood work ran and my rt3 ratio was 6. So it didn't do a thing for me. I then found the STTM book and I am now following their protocol. It's much easier to follow. With 's you never knew which dose would capture your temp so you would always run out of meds. Not to mention the pharmacies charge a lot for this protocol.

Hope this answers some questions, S

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 7:25:48 PMSubject: T3 and 's

Can anyone give me an opinion on this Method of treating RT3? It seems there's NO doctors here in Australia who have been trained by this method, not that there's many here who know and/or interested about treating Thyroid at all :-)If anyone has tried it, I would like to know if the tiny T4 test dose actually works to settle any 'unsteadiness' as he calls it.I am especially interested in knowing if it would work with heart pounding and anxiety [my main issue when I tried T3 last month]Sandy

March 23, 2010

Hi Sandy. I tried the 's

protocol this past summer. I did four rounds starting in August and completed my last round in November. I saw improvements in the first couple of months but they didn't last for long and I never "captured" an optimal temp.

My doctor only wanted me to go up to 37.5mcg 2 x daily because of "risk". Maybe this is why it didn't work for me. I just never got to a high enough dose. Also the way it was presribed I was only on it for a few weeks at a time then you had to ween down and take two weeks off in between rounds. Doctors can do it differently. I've heard once someone "captures" their temp. a dr. will let them stay on that dose for a few months. Doing it that way would work much better.

When I was done with my last round in November I had blood work ran and my rt3 ratio was 6. So it didn't do a thing for me. I then found the STTM book and I am now following their protocol. It's much easier to follow. With 's you never knew which dose would capture your temp so you would always run out of meds. Not to mention the pharmacies charge a lot for this protocol.

Hope this answers some questions, S

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 7:25:48 PMSubject: T3 and 's

Can anyone give me an opinion on this Method of treating RT3? It seems there's NO doctors here in Australia who have been trained by this method, not that there's many here who know and/or interested about treating Thyroid at all :-)If anyone has tried it, I would like to know if the tiny T4 test dose actually works to settle any 'unsteadiness' as he calls it.I am especially interested in knowing if it would work with heart pounding and anxiety [my main issue when I tried T3 last month]Sandy

March 23, 2010

Hi Sandy. I tried the 's

protocol this past summer. I did four rounds starting in August and completed my last round in November. I saw improvements in the first couple of months but they didn't last for long and I never "captured" an optimal temp.

My doctor only wanted me to go up to 37.5mcg 2 x daily because of "risk". Maybe this is why it didn't work for me. I just never got to a high enough dose. Also the way it was presribed I was only on it for a few weeks at a time then you had to ween down and take two weeks off in between rounds. Doctors can do it differently. I've heard once someone "captures" their temp. a dr. will let them stay on that dose for a few months. Doing it that way would work much better.

When I was done with my last round in November I had blood work ran and my rt3 ratio was 6. So it didn't do a thing for me. I then found the STTM book and I am now following their protocol. It's much easier to follow. With 's you never knew which dose would capture your temp so you would always run out of meds. Not to mention the pharmacies charge a lot for this protocol.

Hope this answers some questions, S

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 7:25:48 PMSubject: T3 and 's

Can anyone give me an opinion on this Method of treating RT3? It seems there's NO doctors here in Australia who have been trained by this method, not that there's many here who know and/or interested about treating Thyroid at all :-)If anyone has tried it, I would like to know if the tiny T4 test dose actually works to settle any 'unsteadiness' as he calls it.I am especially interested in knowing if it would work with heart pounding and anxiety [my main issue when I tried T3 last month]Sandy

March 23, 2010

My Ferritin tested high 175ug/L [30-150]

Iron level last time tested in August was 17umol/L [7-27]

My Adrenal Saliva Test did show Low in Am, Normal to High end Midday,A/noon,Eve.

so I have been supplementing Vit/herbs/Himalayan Salt for a while now, my temp

averages are now up to about 36.9 but basal were still a bit low average 36.3

but first time this morning was up to 36.7 doc doesn't seem keen on Tx with HC

and I'm not keen to do it either.

I know the Ferritin can be a false high due to inflammation so I have started

supplementing again with a little iron just in case, how can you find out for

sure if it is a false high?

I also have Thyroglobulin Ab's.

Thanks

Sandy

>

> Hi

>

> Sandy the symptoms below sound like either low ferritin or adrenals. Have you

had them both tested.

> This is why the group do not like the wilsons protocol.

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/what.htm

>

> Sky a fellow aussie.

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: RT3_T3

> Sent: Wed, 24 March, 2010 11:25:48 AM

> Subject: T3 and 's

>

> Â

>

> I am especially interested in knowing if it would work with heart pounding and

anxiety [my main issue when I tried T3 last month]

>

> Sandy

>

March 23, 2010

My Ferritin tested high 175ug/L [30-150]

Iron level last time tested in August was 17umol/L [7-27]

My Adrenal Saliva Test did show Low in Am, Normal to High end Midday,A/noon,Eve.

so I have been supplementing Vit/herbs/Himalayan Salt for a while now, my temp

averages are now up to about 36.9 but basal were still a bit low average 36.3

but first time this morning was up to 36.7 doc doesn't seem keen on Tx with HC

and I'm not keen to do it either.

I know the Ferritin can be a false high due to inflammation so I have started

supplementing again with a little iron just in case, how can you find out for

sure if it is a false high?

I also have Thyroglobulin Ab's.

Thanks

Sandy

>

> Hi

>

> Sandy the symptoms below sound like either low ferritin or adrenals. Have you

had them both tested.

> This is why the group do not like the wilsons protocol.

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/what.htm

>

> Sky a fellow aussie.

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: RT3_T3

> Sent: Wed, 24 March, 2010 11:25:48 AM

> Subject: T3 and 's

>

> Â

>

> I am especially interested in knowing if it would work with heart pounding and

anxiety [my main issue when I tried T3 last month]

>

> Sandy

>

March 23, 2010

My Ferritin tested high 175ug/L [30-150]

Iron level last time tested in August was 17umol/L [7-27]

My Adrenal Saliva Test did show Low in Am, Normal to High end Midday,A/noon,Eve.

so I have been supplementing Vit/herbs/Himalayan Salt for a while now, my temp

averages are now up to about 36.9 but basal were still a bit low average 36.3

but first time this morning was up to 36.7 doc doesn't seem keen on Tx with HC

and I'm not keen to do it either.

I know the Ferritin can be a false high due to inflammation so I have started

supplementing again with a little iron just in case, how can you find out for

sure if it is a false high?

I also have Thyroglobulin Ab's.

Thanks

Sandy

>

> Hi

>

> Sandy the symptoms below sound like either low ferritin or adrenals. Have you

had them both tested.

> This is why the group do not like the wilsons protocol.

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/what.htm

>

> Sky a fellow aussie.

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: RT3_T3

> Sent: Wed, 24 March, 2010 11:25:48 AM

> Subject: T3 and 's

>

> Â

>

> I am especially interested in knowing if it would work with heart pounding and

anxiety [my main issue when I tried T3 last month]

>

> Sandy

>

March 23, 2010

>

> I tried the 's

> protocol this past summer.Â

>

> My doctor only wanted me to go up to 37.5mcg 2 x daily because of " risk " .

Maybe this is why it didn't work for me. I just never got to a high enough dose.

Also the way it was presribed I was only on it for a few weeks at a time then

you had to ween down and take two weeks off in between rounds. Doctors can do it

differently. I've heard once someone " captures " their temp. a dr. will let them

stay on that dose for a few months. Doing it that way would work much better.Â

> -------------------------

> What did he say the " risk " was?

From what I've read I do think you have to stay on the dose you were taking when

you captured the temp for a couple of weeks and then try weaning down, if temp

goes down again you have to either keep weaning down and start another cycle or

go back up again depending on symptoms, what I liked about the protocol when I

read it was that each time a new cycle was started wilson say's the temp can be

captured on a lower dose next time.

Did you have to use the T4 test dose at all? if so did it work?

If the doctor that put you on the protocol was concerned by the dose he had

obviously not read the manual, states it is essential for both patient

and doctor to understand the treatment. So maybe that IS the reason it didn't

work for you.

Just my 2cents worth

Sandy

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: RT3_T3

> Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 7:25:48 PM

> Subject: T3 and 's

>

> Â

>

> Can anyone give me an opinion on this Method of treating RT3?

>

> It seems there's NO doctors here in Australia who have been trained by this

method, not that there's many here who know and/or interested about treating

Thyroid at all :-)

>

> If anyone has tried it, I would like to know if the tiny T4 test dose actually

works to settle any 'unsteadiness' as he calls it.

>

> I am especially interested in knowing if it would work with heart pounding and

anxiety [my main issue when I tried T3 last month]

>

> Sandy

>

March 24, 2010

The test for inflammation is a CRP level. I would test it before I took more iron. I would also get a full iron panel done. What did Val have to say about your saliva test results? What brand of t3 are you taking?

Sky

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, 24 March, 2010 2:36:57 PMSubject: Re: T3 and 's

My Ferritin tested high 175ug/L [30-150]Iron level last time tested in August was 17umol/L [7-27]My Adrenal Saliva Test did show Low in Am, Normal to High end Midday,A/noon, Eve. so I have been supplementing Vit/herbs/Himalayan Salt for a while now, my temp averages are now up to about 36.9 but basal were still a bit low average 36.3 but first time this morning was up to 36.7 doc doesn't seem keen on Tx with HC and I'm not keen to do it either.I know the Ferritin can be a false high due to inflammation so I have started supplementing again with a little iron just in case, how can you find out for sure if it is a false high?I also have Thyroglobulin Ab's.ThanksSandy>> Hi> > Sandy the

symptoms below sound like either low ferritin or adrenals. Have you had them both tested.> This is why the group do not like the wilsons protocol.> http://thyroid- rt3.com/what. htm> > Sky a fellow aussie.> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> From: sandy46aus <sandyg23@.. .>> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com> Sent: Wed, 24 March, 2010 11:25:48 AM> Subject: T3 and 's> > Ã‚ > > > I am especially interested in knowing if it would work with heart pounding and anxiety [my main issue when I tried T3 last month]> > Sandy>

March 24, 2010

>Can anyone give me an opinion on this Method of treating RT3?

The general feeling is it can work for some people but if you have low

adrenals or ferritin it's not for you

The protocol here recommended by Val is slower in increases and makes

sure other parameters are taken into account and hence is less risky

for people with other health issues.

We have seen very little evidence of people being able to " capture

temperature " and come off meds.

What people do achieve is to clear the resistance that is caused by

RT3 and regain health.

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

March 24, 2010

>

> The test for inflammation is a CRP level. I would test it beforeÂ I took more

iron.Â I would also get a full iron panel done. Â Â What did Val have to say

about your saliva test results?Â What brand of t3 are you taking?

>

> Sky

Had a look back through my lab results and back in October I had a CRP it was

fine 1mg/L [0-10].

Sandy

March 24, 2010

>

> >Can anyone give me an opinion on this Method of treating RT3?

>

> The general feeling is it can work for some people but if you have low

> adrenals or ferritin it's not for you

>

> The protocol here recommended by Val is slower in increases and makes

> sure other parameters are taken into account and hence is less risky

> for people with other health issues.

>

> We have seen very little evidence of people being able to " capture

> temperature " and come off meds.

>

> What people do achieve is to clear the resistance that is caused by

> RT3 and regain health.

>

> Nick

>

> --

>

> for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

>

> www.thyroid-rt3.com

>

Strangely my Ferritin is high 175ug/L (30 - 150)

My Adrenals are Low in Am, Midday Normal, A/Noon High, Eve High

DHEA Profile AM Low but within range

DHEA/Cortisol AM Ratio High

I don't know if I am classed as High or Low Cortisol.... My doc refers to my

Cortisol as a Mal-adaption, so I guess I need to get my Morning up and my

evening down, what would be the best way to achieve this.?

My thyroid doc has now prescribed a lower starting dose of T3 Slow Release,

because of my heart pounding and anxiety reaction to the higher dose previously.

Is it O.K to stay on lower doses and still benefit even if it takes

longer.....I'm not in any hurry to increase too fast ?

Thanks

Sandy

March 24, 2010

>Strangely my Ferritin is high 175ug/L (30 - 150)

Not high enough to be a problem and may normalize with thyroid support

>My Adrenals are Low in Am, Midday Normal, A/Noon High, Eve High

>DHEA Profile AM Low but within range

>DHEA/Cortisol AM Ratio High

>

>I don't know if I am classed as High or Low Cortisol.... My doc refers to my

Cortisol as a Mal-adaption, so I guess I need to get my Morning up and my

evening down, what would be the best way to achieve this.?

Post the test results and ranges on the adrenal group, they will

suggest dose timing that will straighten you out

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

>My thyroid doc has now prescribed a lower starting dose of T3 Slow Release,

because of my heart pounding and anxiety reaction to the higher dose previously.

Makes sense, this is why we like the immediate release, it's much

easier to alter dose by breaking tablets up and changing timing

>Is it O.K to stay on lower doses and still benefit even if it takes

longer.....I'm not in any hurry to increase too fast ?

See how you react, if it gets through and starts suppressing TSH you

will need some dose increases.

Get the adrenals supported first before taking much T3

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

March 24, 2010

Sandy,

My sister used compounded slow release t3 and it put her tsh up to 16. Swapped her over to cynomel and tsh became normal again. Val and Nick do not recommend using slow release. Check the link.

http://thyroid-rt3.com/want.htmI get the mexican cynomel t3 and haved had no problems with customs.

Post your cortisol results with ranges so Val can see them.

Sky

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, 24 March, 2010 8:31:04 PMSubject: Re: T3 and 's

> > >Can anyone give me an opinion on this Method of treating RT3? > > The general feeling is it can work for some people but if you have low> adrenals or ferritin it's not for you> > The protocol here recommended by Val is slower in increases and makes> sure other parameters are taken into account and hence is less risky> for people with other health issues.> > We have seen very little evidence of people being able to "capture> temperature" and come off meds.> > What people do achieve is to clear the resistance that is caused by> RT3 and regain health.> > Nick> >

> -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid- rt3.com>Strangely my Ferritin is high 175ug/L (30 - 150)My Adrenals are Low in Am, Midday Normal, A/Noon High, Eve HighDHEA Profile AM Low but within range DHEA/Cortisol AM Ratio HighI don't know if I am classed as High or Low Cortisol.... My doc refers to my Cortisol as a Mal-adaption, so I guess I need to get my Morning up and my evening down, what would be the best way to achieve this.?My thyroid doc has now prescribed a lower starting dose of T3 Slow Release, because of my heart pounding and anxiety reaction to the higher dose previously.Is it O.K to stay on lower doses and still benefit even if it takes longer.....I' m not in any hurry to increase too fast ?ThanksSandy

March 24, 2010

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 10:52:32 PMSubject: Re: T3 and 's

>> I love my doctor, but he is very "conservative". Everything we try he always starts me very low and I always have to "talk him into" pushing the bar alittle. Years ago I think Dr. had a patient die of heart problems related to too high t3. This information came from my dr. so I don't know all the details.--So for my dr. the risk were heart related. One of my symtoms before treatment was heart palps. So this also made him cautious. My palps. were actually better on t3.-

--------- --------- ----> What did he say the "risk" was?

Yes, you have this part right. I never captured my temp. I would get a good temp. for about a week then drop. At that point I would wean down because it always took me the full dose of 37.5 mcg 2x a day to get these better temps. So I couldn't try raising because I was out of the meds in the higher mcg.One thing about this, that you probably read, was you really need to take it excatly 12 hours apart. This can be a challenge. We had a time change on one of my rounds and I had a hard time adjusting. I have read that some people were able to start each new round and benefit with lower doses. This was not the case with me but maybe that is because I never went high enough. Also during the 's Protocol my ferritin was too low so that might have been the real issue.

From what I've read I do think you have to stay on the dose you were taking when you captured the temp for a couple of weeks and then try weaning down, if temp goes down again you have to either keep weaning down and start another cycle or go back up again depending on symptoms, what I liked about the protocol when I read it was that each time a new cycle was started wilson say's the temp can be captured on a lower dose next time.

I did stress dose once. It wasn't for anxiety or heart related issues. I sometimes got bloated on t3 so one time I took some t4 that I had on hand. I think it was a little high mg than recommended but it did seem to help. It definitly didn't cause any problems.Did you have to use the T4 test dose at all? if so did it work?If the doctor that put you on the protocol was concerned by the dose he had obviously not read the manual, states it is essential for both patient and doctor to understand the treatment. So maybe that IS the reason it didn't work for you.

My dr gave me the manual to read and that was very helpful for me. I do think he was aware of the protocol he was just too "protective" to go higher. I did ask to go higher on the last round and he agreed. So we did go up one increment. It didn't help either. Again looking back I wonder how my low ferritin came into play. I actually got frustrated on the protocol because of the way the pharmacy dispenses the meds. They give you just enough to increase and decrease on "their" schedule. So it didn't give me any room to experiment. If I felt like I was going to capture my temp on a lowere dose I didn't have the meds to "hold" that dosage. When you order it there really is no way to guess what you'll need. I think I finally figured it was best to order just a bunch at 7.5mcg, but doing this you could be taking a lot of pills at once if you get too high. Also the cost was high. One round cost me $150.00. That was ordering the kit plus extra 7.5's

I think it lasted about one month.

I think it is worth trying. Ask your dr. if you can have his manual while doing the protocol. I think this will save you a lot of calls to the office. How high is your dr. letting you go? And how are they dispensing the kit? I would try to get this worked out before starting. I live in NW montana and my dr. was using a pharm. out of WA (because they were more experienced with the formulation) This was a problem because I couldn't get the meds fast enough if I needed to go beyond the kit. If you phar. is close then that shouldn't be a problem for you. My meds were also slow release and that seemed to be ok for me. I know some have problems with that. You also raise pretty fast on this protocol. I didn't really have trouble with that either, but I know some people do. The directions of STTM you go up a lot slower. Not sure of the pros or cons either way just something to think about.

Keep me updated. I would like to hear about how it is working for you and maybe how your protocol might differ from mine. Never know I might try it again if what I am doing doesn't work.

S

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> From: sandy46aus <sandyg23@.. .>> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com> Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 7:25:48 PM> Subject: T3 and 's> > Ã‚ > > Can anyone give me an opinion on this Method of treating RT3? > > It seems there's NO doctors here in Australia who have been trained by this method, not that there's many here who know and/or interested about treating Thyroid at all :-)> > If anyone has tried it, I would like to know if the tiny T4 test dose actually works to settle any 'unsteadiness' as he calls it.> > I am especially interested in knowing if it would work with heart pounding and anxiety [my main issue when I tried T3 last

month]> > Sandy>

March 24, 2010

Sandy,

I just want to chime in on the thyroid antibody comment. I am an RN as well as

having Hashimoto's syndrome. I personally have not tried 's, but after

reading it, I felt that is was risky, at best. Having antibodies most often is

an indication that you have Hashimoto's and 's protocol is not a good

idea. That is only my professional opinion based on the fact that if your TSH

goes up to what the profession says is normal, then the antibodies have

something to attack, therefore causing either a hyper crisis or more severe hypo

symptoms. Going off T3 will cause your TSH to rise. Not clearing the RT3 issue

can also cause your TSH to rise. An antibody induced hyperthyroid crisis can be

fatal if it causes a heart attack. That is one important reason I chose to stay

on enough T3 to keep my TSH suppressed below 0.05.

I had been on synthroid and then Armour for many years before trying the T3 only

treatment. I am on HC and T3, and feel wonderful, at long last. You do have to

get your adrenals healed, and your ferritin needs to be at a good level in order

for your body to handle T3. The heart pounding is often a sign one of those is

out of whack. I honestly can't address high ferritin, but I would consider a

re-test.

Shirley

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > Sandy the symptoms below sound like either low ferritin or adrenals. Have

you had them both tested.

> > This is why the group do not like the wilsons protocol.

> > http://thyroid-rt3.com/what.htm

> >

> > Sky a fellow aussie.

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: sandy46aus <sandyg23@>

> > To: RT3_T3

> > Sent: Wed, 24 March, 2010 11:25:48 AM

> > Subject: T3 and 's

> >

> > Â

> >

> > I am especially interested in knowing if it would work with heart pounding

and anxiety [my main issue when I tried T3 last month]

> >

> > Sandy

> >

>

March 24, 2010

>

> Sandy,

>

> My sister used compounded slow release t3 and it put her tsh up to 16. Swapped

her over to cynomel and tsh became normal again. Val and Nick do not recommend

using slow release. Check the link.

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/want.htm

> I get the mexican cynomel t3 and haved had no problems with customs.

> Post your cortisol results with ranges so Val can see them.

>

> Sky

Hello Sky,

I really find it hard to think that there can be soooo much difference, Slow

Release is exactly that and even if the release rate is variable you still have

a constant supply in your system, the half life of T3 is such that it would

still be in the system quite some hours after it is fully released be it in 5

hrs 8hrs or 12hrs.

I already take a slow release pain tablet and I find that it is quite even

throughout the day and is still working in my system even next morning [only

take once in AM] and on the odd occassion when I have forgotten to take it my

pain level is still reasonable for most of that day.

Mind you I am yet to start taking the T3SR again, so I may have to eat my words,

I am hoping tho that it will work for me as I am sure I would forget to take a

dose the other way, I'd have to buy a timer!

I did post my Saliva test results on the adrenals group some time back, but I

feel that they might have changed in the last week or so as my average daily

temps have come up to near normal, I don't feel like it's a fever but maybe just

temporary, my basal is still a bit low tho.

Still taking lots of Adrenal Support but not cortisone.

Sandy

March 24, 2010

>

> Sandy,

> I just want to chime in on the thyroid antibody comment. I am an RN as well

as having Hashimoto's syndrome. I personally have not tried 's, but after