Re: is insomnia a hypo symptom?

March 23, 2010

Peggy...have you had your Vitamin D measured? Curious because I was unable to

tolerate cytomel at all...and everyone kept telling me to boost ferritin....mine

was only 54....But I am very cautious about iron having read numerous books by

experts in the field. They all argue that we should keep ferritin below 40 and

that real damage results at a ferritin over 75. With no place left to turn I

began supplementing iron very conservatively but also boosted my vitamin D

intake to 4000-6000 IUs per day...I began to tolerate cytomel and am now taking

75mcgs per day...but I STOPPED taking iron and my ferrrin actually went

down....So I have to beleive that Vitamin D played a role in being able to

tolerate Cytomel....just a thought...good health to you!

>

> I've looked at the list of hypo symptoms on STTM and don't find insomnia. But

I've been suffering from it off and on for the past month or so since starting

an RT3 protocol. Last night I was awake for at least two hours, so I have more

exhaustion piled on top of my usual CFS. I had 3 iron IV's in the past week,

but don't seem to be tolerating Cytomel any better than I was before, and am

back on SR at 15 mcg twice a day. I understand that's hardly anything, but my

ratio did improve in the month I've been on it from 4.8 to 15.6. I also think

insomnia can come from cortisol issues. I'm on 5 mg cortisol twice a day, which

I understand is also almost nothing. These are my labs from late January and

from late February:

>

> January

> TSH 1.270 (0.450-4.500) uIU/mL

> T3, free, serum 2.1 (2.0-4.4) pg/mL

> RT3 434 ( 90-350) pg/mL

> T4, free (direct) 1.32 (0.82-1.77) ng/dL

> DHEA-sulfate 193 (13-130) ug/dL

> ferritin, serum 15 (10-291) ng/mL

> B12 926 (211-911) pg/mL

>

> February

> T3, free serum 2.7 (2.0-3.5) pg/mL

> RT3 173 (90-350) pg/mL

> T4, free 0.97 (.89-1.76) ng/dL

> ferritin, serum 25.7 (11.1-264.0) ng/mL

>

> from over a year ago, before treatment:

> cortisol, saliva:

> 5.6 at 6:00 a.m. optimal range 7:00 a.m.: 7.0-10 ng/ml

> 2.1 at 11:00 a.m. optimal range noon: 3.0-6.0 ng/ml

> 2.6 at 5:00 p.m. optimal range 5:00 p.m.: 2.0-4.0 ng/ml

> 1.0 at 10:00 p.m. optimal range 10:00 p.m.: 1.5 ng/ml

>

> I have a consult with an endo today and will be taking my labs. It always

helps to know in advance what I need to ask for. Can I get some recommendations

about this, to take with me to my consult? I would so appreciate it.

>

> Peggy

>

March 24, 2010

> I also think insomnia can come from cortisol issues. I'm on 5 mg cortisol

twice a day, which I understand is also almost nothing. These are my labs from

late January and from late February:

10mg of Cortisol can cause problems, it's enough to upset the timing

of your own production but not enough to supplement and support.

>5.6 at 6:00 a.m. optimal range 7:00 a.m.: 7.0-10 ng/ml

>2.1 at 11:00 a.m. optimal range noon: 3.0-6.0 ng/ml

>2.6 at 5:00 p.m. optimal range 5:00 p.m.: 2.0-4.0 ng/ml

>1.0 at 10:00 p.m. optimal range 10:00 p.m.: 1.5 ng/ml

Those are pretty bad and will need more than 10 to support.

If you sign up to the adrenals group

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

and post those labs there one of the mods will make suggestions on

dosing and timing

Get the adrenal support right and it should sort out the sleep issues

and you can concentrate on the thyroid then

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

March 24, 2010

Hi Harry,

Thanks--I did have iron tested and my levels are good, but I supplement 10,000 IU/day anyway. I couldn't tolerate oral iron supplements so I just finished a series of 3 iron IV's. My symptoms set in after the second one and have continued. So who knows, there may be something to what you've read about iron. But I haven't been retested so I don't know what ferritin levels are since the IV's--it was 25 before. It was after the iron IV's that I lost my ability to handle T3 in any amount.

Peggy

Re: is insomnia a hypo symptom?

Peggy...have you had your Vitamin D measured? Curious because I was unable to tolerate cytomel at all...and everyone kept telling me to boost ferritin....mine was only 54....But I am very cautious about iron having read numerous books by experts in the field. They all argue that we should keep ferritin below 40 and that real damage results at a ferritin over 75. With no place left to turn I began supplementing iron very conservatively but also boosted my vitamin D intake to 4000-6000 IUs per day...I began to tolerate cytomel and am now taking 75mcgs per day...but I STOPPED taking iron and my ferrrin actually went down....So I have to beleive that Vitamin D played a role in being able to tolerate Cytomel....just a thought...good health to you!

March 24, 2010

Yes...one of the authorities I read claimed that he resolved his hypothyroidism

by chelating iron with blood transfusions...it is very frustrating that there is

so much contradictory info out there. I am stuck again and feeling lousy on 75

mcgs of T3...my Ferritin is 54.

>

> Hi Harry,

>

> Thanks--I did have iron tested and my levels are good, but I supplement 10,000

IU/day anyway. I couldn't tolerate oral iron supplements so I just finished a

series of 3 iron IV's. My symptoms set in after the second one and have

continued. So who knows, there may be something to what you've read about iron.

But I haven't been retested so I don't know what ferritin levels are since the

IV's--it was 25 before. It was after the iron IV's that I lost my ability to

handle T3 in any amount.

>

> Peggy

>

> Re: is insomnia a hypo symptom?

> Peggy...have you had your Vitamin D measured? Curious because I was unable to