Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 I had to stop my 5 mg. of Delta a few weeks ago because of EXTREME stomach cramping in the afternoon/evening. It actually started about 3 weeks after starting the Delta and I endured it for an additional 3 weeks for realizing it was probably the Delta. Once I stopped the Delta, the problems stopped. Has anyone else had digestive problems because of Delta? Anyway, I really feel like I need the adrenal support and want to give the Cortef a try. Can someone tell me the dosing again? I think it's 20 mg a day...but if you're taking it every 8 hours...when do you get the extra 5 mg. in? Thanks, Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 In a message dated 8/13/2004 10:40:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, Astrodiana@... writes: > Was it like > irritable bowel or what?? I really haven't heard of this from > others...except Bev who said the cortef upset her stomach. Did you > try 2.5 mg delta once a day? > > Yes, I would say it was like IBS. I was surprised too. However, my digestive tract was an area hit hardest by the hypo...and I've wondered if there was still some healing going on there. What I did today was to just take a 2.5 and I'm going to see how that affects me. Thanks for the info. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 In a message dated 8/13/2004 10:56:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, jamyrogers@... writes: > why were you taking it to begin with and what were your free t3 and 4 and > ferritin levels before? > I was taking it because I had had undiagnosed Hashimoto's/low thyroid for over 15 years. Also because on my mom's autopsy (also undiagnosed Hashimoto's) I saw that she had " adrenal hyperplasia " and that just really hit home on what untreated hypo can do to a body. My Free T3 is way over the top and Free T4 was mid/high range I haven't had my ferritin checked yet, but iron tests were normal. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 In a message dated 8/13/2004 11:13:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, tayamni@... writes: > I know Jeffries says it lasts 8 hours This is where I was getting the 8 hours...he does say every 8 hours....but then goes on to say at mealtimes and before bedtime. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 In a message dated 8/13/2004 11:13:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, tayamni@... writes: > So, in practice, for us, Peatfield was correct I like Peatfield...this is what I'll do if I go with the Cortef...but I'm going to try the Delta again at just 2.5. I'm had a return of asthma like symptoms going off it....and I know this is one of the things the cortisol is supposed to be so good for...reducing this type of inflammatory response. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 In a message dated 8/13/2004 11:15:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, tayamni@... writes: > Cindi, Isn't there something in Jeffries book about GI upset from > hydrocortisone? I thought I read that.....Don't recall what he said to do because I > have not had that issue. > I'm reading his book now...he does mention acid indigestion from the Cortef...but not really what I was having...which was severe cramping/IBS symptoms. So I just don't know...that reaction really sorta surprised me. But I've felt for a long time my digestive tract was unhealthy...so maybe I just can't take the Delta at 5 mg. We'll see if I can tolerate the 2.5. I did do some research...and the prednisolone is weird in that some places it is used for digestive inflammation...and some things says it can cause digestive upset. I wish I knew a good doctor. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 In a message dated 8/13/2004 12:06:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, saltillo@... writes: > had terrible upset sromach from Cortef. I have had the best luck > with the IsoCort. I disolve mine under my tongue and this helps and > might be why I have had less trouble with it. It is bitter, but I > have come to like it, sort of like an old timy bitter. > > It is supposed to be better if you take the Cortef with meals or > just before, but, I still had problems. > Well...I guess I'm glad to know I'm not alone with the stomach problems. I also wondered if I kept enough food in my stomach...I don't eat that much...and I thought that might be part of the problem. I do have some Isocort...and had tried that for a few days...but also had tummy upset. Maybe I'll try letting it melt in the mouth. Geez...what's worse? not being able to tolerate thyroid hormone or adrenal hormone? cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 why were you taking it to begin with and what were your free t3 and 4 and ferritin levels before? Re: Cortef question I had to stop my 5 mg. of Delta a few weeks ago because of EXTREME stomach cramping in the afternoon/evening. It actually started about 3 weeks after starting the Delta and I endured it for an additional 3 weeks for realizing it was probably the Delta. Once I stopped the Delta, the problems stopped. Has anyone else had digestive problems because of Delta? Anyway, I really feel like I need the adrenal support and want to give the Cortef a try. Can someone tell me the dosing again? I think it's 20 mg a day...but if you're taking it every 8 hours...when do you get the extra 5 mg. in? Thanks, Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 > Anyway, I really feel like I need the adrenal support and want to give the > Cortef a try. Can someone tell me the dosing again? I think it's 20 mg a > day...but if you're taking it every 8 hours...when do you get the extra 5 mg. in? > Thanks, > Cindi Cindi - you take it every THREE hours....last dose not after 5 PM. It seems to me that more people have stomach problems with Cortef than delta...because of the enteric coating - maybe. Was it like irritable bowel or what?? I really haven't heard of this from others...except Bev who said the cortef upset her stomach. Did you try 2.5 mg delta once a day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 In a message dated 8/13/2004 2:36:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, tayamni@... writes: > I know! He says every 8 hours or 4 times a day. What planet is he on? It > has 32 hours in a day Whew...i thought it was just me having a problem figuring it out. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 In a message dated 8/13/2004 2:41:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, tayamni@... writes: > Maybe the natural hydrocortisone form, same as what we make in our > adrenals, would not cause problems with you I've sorta thought about this too....that natural would be better...and especially with the autoimmune thing going on. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 In a message dated 8/13/2004 2:43:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, tayamni@... writes: > This is the same with me...not asthma, but some lung thing...I ought to > give it a name....:-) > > yea...what can we call it? sometimes it's sorta a tightness in the chest...and then there is sorta a lot of fluid there...feels like i'm drowning sometimes...sometimes wheezing... cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 In a message dated 8/13/2004 2:44:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, tayamni@... writes: > You have a reactive zone in your lungs and your gut. I have a reactive zone > in my lungs. I recall that someone on this list went to a doc who explained > that there is such a thing as reactive zones, and that they are usually the > gut or the lungs....I think it was naughtyneedler...Jen...way back. It has to > do with adrenal fatigue. > Oh great...i have two reactive zones i didn't know about. But man are you right...my lungs and gut get me every time. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 iron tests are not ferritin. why were you taking the delta Re: Cortef question In a message dated 8/13/2004 10:56:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, jamyrogers@... writes: > why were you taking it to begin with and what were your free t3 and 4 and > ferritin levels before? > I was taking it because I had had undiagnosed Hashimoto's/low thyroid for over 15 years. Also because on my mom's autopsy (also undiagnosed Hashimoto's) I saw that she had " adrenal hyperplasia " and that just really hit home on what untreated hypo can do to a body. My Free T3 is way over the top and Free T4 was mid/high range I haven't had my ferritin checked yet, but iron tests were normal. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 I started out taking 5 mg of Cortef every 4 waking hours...and really needed it. I have now been able to spread the 4 doses out to every 5 hours. I know Jeffries says it lasts 8 hours, but Peatfield says 3-4 hours...??? In use both Steve and I found it good for 4 hours initially, unless we had big stresses. Then we sometimes needed it earlier. So, in practice, for us, Peatfield was correct. I think Jeffries says for ease of use to take with each meal and then before bed. Roxanna Roxanna V. Knight-Plouff, D.V.M. W Plouff North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc northstargsdr@... www.northstargsdr.org Re: Cortef question I had to stop my 5 mg. of Delta a few weeks ago because of EXTREME stomach cramping in the afternoon/evening. It actually started about 3 weeks after starting the Delta and I endured it for an additional 3 weeks for realizing it was probably the Delta. Once I stopped the Delta, the problems stopped. Has anyone else had digestive problems because of Delta? Anyway, I really feel like I need the adrenal support and want to give the Cortef a try. Can someone tell me the dosing again? I think it's 20 mg a day...but if you're taking it every 8 hours...when do you get the extra 5 mg. in? Thanks, Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Cindi, Isn't there something in Jeffries book about GI upset from hydrocortisone? I thought I read that.....Don't recall what he said to do because I have not had that issue. Roxanna Roxanna V. Knight-Plouff, D.V.M. W Plouff North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc northstargsdr@... www.northstargsdr.org Re: Re: Cortef question In a message dated 8/13/2004 10:40:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, Astrodiana@... writes: > Was it like > irritable bowel or what?? I really haven't heard of this from > others...except Bev who said the cortef upset her stomach. Did you > try 2.5 mg delta once a day? > > Yes, I would say it was like IBS. I was surprised too. However, my digestive tract was an area hit hardest by the hypo...and I've wondered if there was still some healing going on there. What I did today was to just take a 2.5 and I'm going to see how that affects me. Thanks for the info. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Cindi, It's 5mg every 3 or 4 hours for a total of 20mg. Deb Re: Cortef question I had to stop my 5 mg. of Delta a few weeks ago because of EXTREME stomach cramping in the afternoon/evening. It actually started about 3 weeks after starting the Delta and I endured it for an additional 3 weeks for realizing it was probably the Delta. Once I stopped the Delta, the problems stopped. Has anyone else had digestive problems because of Delta? Anyway, I really feel like I need the adrenal support and want to give the Cortef a try. Can someone tell me the dosing again? I think it's 20 mg a day...but if you're taking it every 8 hours...when do you get the extra 5 mg. in? Thanks, Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 I had terrible upset sromach from Cortef. I have had the best luck with the IsoCort. I disolve mine under my tongue and this helps and might be why I have had less trouble with it. It is bitter, but I have come to like it, sort of like an old timy bitter. It is supposed to be better if you take the Cortef with meals or just before, but, I still had problems. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 In a message dated 8/13/2004 4:30:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, nweller@... writes: > When I > started having stomach problems with the hydrocortisone (and with a > history of ulcers), he suggested Omeprazole (Prilosec), so that's > what I take, once a day. Well this is sorta interesting to think about. Is this an OTC product now? This might actually be helpful to me to try this...EVERYTHING irritates my intestines it seems. And yet I actually do better in lots of ways taking the Delta. I'm less anxious...I have more endurance and energy...and it seems to help overall with the inflammatory aspect of my lungs. I do think I want to keep taking it. Jeffries even has a chapter on cortisol's role in autoimmune disorders...so I think it is a good thing Ok...this may be the answer to help me....thanks. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 In a message dated 8/13/2004 4:30:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, nweller@... writes: > What CAN we call that weird lung soreness thing (lol)? It's > irritating! > crappy lung. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Cindi, I had a thought...prednisone and prednisolone are not molecules we make naturally. They are an unnatural form substituting for the hydrocortisone. They are known to have a slew of adverse reactions associated with them. Maybe the natural hydrocortisone form, same as what we make in our adrenals, would not cause problems with you. You could start out low at 2.5 mg of hc taken with some yogurt and see. Roxanna Roxanna V. Knight-Plouff, D.V.M. W Plouff North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc northstargsdr@... www.northstargsdr.org Re: Re: Cortef question In a message dated 8/13/2004 12:06:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, saltillo@... writes: > had terrible upset sromach from Cortef. I have had the best luck > with the IsoCort. I disolve mine under my tongue and this helps and > might be why I have had less trouble with it. It is bitter, but I > have come to like it, sort of like an old timy bitter. > > It is supposed to be better if you take the Cortef with meals or > just before, but, I still had problems. > Well...I guess I'm glad to know I'm not alone with the stomach problems. I also wondered if I kept enough food in my stomach...I don't eat that much...and I thought that might be part of the problem. I do have some Isocort...and had tried that for a few days...but also had tummy upset. Maybe I'll try letting it melt in the mouth. Geez...what's worse? not being able to tolerate thyroid hormone or adrenal hormone? cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 I know! He says every 8 hours or 4 times a day. What planet is he on? It has 32 hours in a day! Roxanna Roxanna V. Knight-Plouff, D.V.M. W Plouff North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc northstargsdr@... www.northstargsdr.org Re: Cortef question In a message dated 8/13/2004 11:13:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, tayamni@... writes: > I know Jeffries says it lasts 8 hours This is where I was getting the 8 hours...he does say every 8 hours....but then goes on to say at mealtimes and before bedtime. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 It is strange because inflammatory diseases are quieted by steroids such as prednisone. This makes me think you are having an adverse reaction. You have a reactive zone in your lungs and your gut. I have a reactive zone in my lungs. I recall that someone on this list went to a doc who explained that there is such a thing as reactive zones, and that they are usually the gut or the lungs....I think it was naughtyneedler...Jen...way back. It has to do with adrenal fatigue. I think you should buy yourself a timer and try the hydrocortisone for a couple days. Although I suspect your lungs will tell you what time it is for a while. Roxanna Roxanna V. Knight-Plouff, D.V.M. W Plouff North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc northstargsdr@... www.northstargsdr.org Re: Re: Cortef question In a message dated 8/13/2004 11:15:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, tayamni@... writes: > Cindi, Isn't there something in Jeffries book about GI upset from > hydrocortisone? I thought I read that.....Don't recall what he said to do because I > have not had that issue. > I'm reading his book now...he does mention acid indigestion from the Cortef...but not really what I was having...which was severe cramping/IBS symptoms. So I just don't know...that reaction really sorta surprised me. But I've felt for a long time my digestive tract was unhealthy...so maybe I just can't take the Delta at 5 mg. We'll see if I can tolerate the 2.5. I did do some research...and the prednisolone is weird in that some places it is used for digestive inflammation...and some things says it can cause digestive upset. I wish I knew a good doctor. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 This is the same with me...not asthma, but some lung thing...I ought to give it a name....:-) Roxanna Roxanna V. Knight-Plouff, D.V.M. W Plouff North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc northstargsdr@... www.northstargsdr.org Re: Cortef question In a message dated 8/13/2004 11:13:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, tayamni@... writes: > So, in practice, for us, Peatfield was correct I like Peatfield...this is what I'll do if I go with the Cortef...but I'm going to try the Delta again at just 2.5. I'm had a return of asthma like symptoms going off it....and I know this is one of the things the cortisol is supposed to be so good for...reducing this type of inflammatory response. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Cindi, I happen to be one of the lucky ones who has a good doctor. When I started having stomach problems with the hydrocortisone (and with a history of ulcers), he suggested Omeprazole (Prilosec), so that's what I take, once a day. My G.I. doctor agreed it would help protect my stomach, because hydrocortisone can irritate it. Jefferies suggests taking an antacid at the same time (I guess like Tums? But then wouldn't the calcium interefere with the thyroid absorption?) but I don't know if that would be strong enough. It's tough -- take yet another pill, just so I can take another pill? But if it's all going to help then I'm willing ... PS What CAN we call that weird lung soreness thing (lol)? It's irritating! ~ > In a message dated 8/13/2004 11:15:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, > tayamni@e... writes: > > > Cindi, Isn't there something in Jeffries book about GI upset from > > hydrocortisone? I thought I read that.....Don't recall what he said to do because I > > have not had that issue. > > > > I'm reading his book now...he does mention acid indigestion from the > Cortef...but not really what I was having...which was severe cramping/IBS symptoms. > So I just don't know...that reaction really sorta surprised me. But I've felt > for a long time my digestive tract was unhealthy...so maybe I just can't take > the Delta at 5 mg. We'll see if I can tolerate the 2.5. I did do some > research...and the prednisolone is weird in that some places it is used for > digestive inflammation...and some things says it can cause digestive upset. > I wish I knew a good doctor. > Cindi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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