To Cooky Re: Lyme and Syphilis

[Guest guest]

Hi Cooky,

>>> One thing I noticed was that the article you quoted first was from 1970

and a lot of

advancements have been made since then. I do not even know what type of PCN

was

given for syphilis then. Maybe it wasn’t enough for destruction of the

spirochete.<<<

You're right there, Cooky…lots of advancements in research since those days…

and the good part is that much more is being learned about the pleomorphic,

persistent nature of these organisms…something Dr Brown argued ad infinitum,

but

could never conclusively prove in every instance of rheumatic disease. Above

all, I think it's so important to keep an open mind about all this, because we

really don't know everything there is to know about infectious disease

transmission and previous assumptions about some of these diseases can take

generations for the medical texts to reflect. My doc told me that it can take

several

generations of physicians for new finds in research to be universally

accepted.

>>>She proceeded to tell this specialist in Lymes that she did not think

since I never noticed a circle that I had Lymes. He said OK and left the room.

Like I said before I don’t remember how long before I had constant pain

and a

high rheumatoid titre. I could have Lyme in addition to rheumatoid. Maybe thatâ

€™s why when Minocin seemed to stop working after 4 years I started

Tetracycline and felt great.<<<

Yes, it could very well be, Cooky. I responded to El's question re: Lyme

cysts and coinfections, so won't bore you with a repeat. Worth noting…there

are

two very distinct sides to the current Lyme debate. The last RBF eBulletin

covered this debate in its commentary on the new movie documentary, " Under Our

Skin. " You'll also find the Barthold mice studies there and one case study

connecting systemic scleroderma to Lyme.

http://www.roadback.org/EmailBlasts/ebulletin_fall08.html

>>>Commenting of sperm from the father…you could be right about

Spirochettes

being there… after all that where he got it (grin). The only thing I want

to

point out is that if the child were born….it would have definitely had

deformaties that were so bad as to cause death after a while or

instutionalized

for life.<<<

Possibly, yes, but it's also possible that healthy children just have very

strong immune systems, though they may still carry the cystic form of syphilis.

Some people get infected with Lyme, for instance, but never present with

chronic symptoms…or, if they do, they present later as neurological diseases

like

MS, Parkinsons, ALS, Alzheimers, etc. Researcher, Dr Alan Mc, did

autopsies on Alzheimer brains and 7 out of 10 of them contained borreliosis in

cystic

forms. So, it's quite possible that later rheumatologic or neurologic

manifestations of these diseases are never associated with congenitally

transmitted,

seronegative latent disease states.

>>>As for the Lyme children testing positive…sometimes as with

syphilis a treated person has a marker (stain) in the blood that says the

person

has had syphilis in the past… this happens when the person was not treated

in

the 1st stage of syphilis. This may have been what happened to the children

of

the Lyme mother if she was not treated in her early infection. I wonder if

there

were any tests done on other children of Lyme mothers?<<<

I believe some Lyme Literate physicians are collecting data on these cases.

Dr B, well-respected LLMD, who no longer practices maintains quite a large data

and blood bank of his many thousands of Lyme patients. The unfortunate side

of this is that the IDSA refuses to acknowledge any research other than their

own or anything that refutes their research in their treatment guidelines. If

you watch the movie, Under Our Skin, Dr Wormser, a well known chronic-Lyme

denialist (considered a Lyme specialist) and IDSA Lyme treatment guideline

panelist, categorically states that there have been no documented cases of

congenitally passed Lyme or children with any neurological deficit as a result

of Lyme.

Of course, this is an outright fabrication, as one of the children documented

in the movie was born to a mother with chronic Lyme, was never treated while

pregnant or before, and although born relatively healthy, now has a chronic,

degenerative neurological illness and completely dependent upon his parents.

>>>As for cortisone reactivating these diseases…there sure would be a lot

of

people running around with syphilis. Just about everyone I know has taken it

at

some point. I just can’t believe it.<<<

Maybe there are…though not presenting as syphilis, but as a chronic

degenerative illness? Syphilis was the first great imitator and can mimic just

about

any disease out there. Perhaps these congenitally-transferred infectious

connections just aren't being made?

>>>Do you have any more articles on the spirochetes not being killed by

penicillin

that is newer?<<<

Sorry, no, the ones I cited were from a Lyme site, but if more recent

research is out there, you should be able to find these on PubMed. Currently,

the

only antibiotic that has been shown to kill the Lyme spirochete outright (in

vitro) is Tigecycline. This is documented in " Cure Unknown - Behind the Lyme

Epidemic " by senior medical editor of Discover Magazine, Pam Weintraub. Much of

the

most recent research about Lyme is contained in this book with interviews of

both physicians and researchers on both sides of the chronic Lyme wars….very

worth the read for anyone who suspects Lyme - the new Lyme bible.

Thanks for the enjoyable conversation, Cooky! Do hope you find the answers to

your persisting CF. Someone just posted this link on the RBF support forum

that you might find helpful:

http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/lymedisease/

All the very best!

Peace, Maz