Re: Why did You get Hypothyroidism?

[Guest guest]

Mercury only shows up in blood during acute stages of exposure, say a filling placement or removal or exposure to high amount of the actual mercury like a broken thermometer.

You can have mercury toxicity and have it not show up on screening, that is what I had. Your body wants to store it in fat, organs, muscle, and hair to get it out of circulation which is why chelation is do difficult.

Kitty

To: rt3_t3 Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 7:43:55 AMSubject: Why did You get Hypothyroidism?

I am still not sure why I had it/still have it, but it could be either a blow to my head when I was 13-14 yo, or mercury poisoning from amalgam fillings.

Now, does anyone here know if one can be mercury poisoned even if urine toxocology says I'm not? Like the mercury will go to the tissue and somehow to show up in the blood/urine?

[Guest guest]

Hi, if you are a slow methylator, you will not excrete it in your hair either,

so it won't show up on a hair mineral analysis. Autistic kids often are very

poisoned by heavy metals but it doesnt show up on hair mineral analysis since

their methylation is not working. Just a thought..

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> Mercury only shows up in blood during acute stages of exposure, say a filling

placement or removal or exposure to high amount of the actual mercury like a

broken thermometer.

> You can have mercury toxicity and have it not show up on screening, that is

what I had. Your body wants to store it in fat, organs, muscle, and hair to get

it out of circulation which is why chelation is do difficult.

>

> Kitty

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> To: rt3_t3

> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 7:43:55 AM

> Subject: Why did You get Hypothyroidism?

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> I am still not sure why I had it/still have it, but it could be either a blow

to my head when I was 13-14 yo, or mercury poisoning from amalgam fillings.

>

> Now, does anyone here know if one can be mercury poisoned even if urine

toxocology says I'm not? Like the mercury will go to the tissue and somehow to

show up in the blood/urine?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is actually a gene that is responsible for that. The dentist I work for talks about it a lot but I forget the name of it... Really helpful I know but if anyone cares to have it tested let me know and I can get the info...

Kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 6:41:04 PMSubject: Re: Why did You get Hypothyroidism?

Hi, if you are a slow methylator, you will not excrete it in your hair either, so it won't show up on a hair mineral analysis. Autistic kids often are very poisoned by heavy metals but it doesnt show up on hair mineral analysis since their methylation is not working. Just a thought.. >> Mercury only shows up in blood during acute stages of exposure, say a filling placement or removal or exposure to high amount of the actual mercury like a broken thermometer. > You can have mercury toxicity and have it not show up on screening, that is what I had. Your body wants to store it in fat, organs, muscle, and hair to get it out of circulation which is why chelation is do difficult. > > Kitty> > > >

> ____________ _________ _________ __> From: Gibcast <gibcast@... >> To: rt3_t3yahoogroups (DOT) com> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 7:43:55 AM> Subject: Why did You get Hypothyroidism?> > Â > I am still not sure why I had it/still have it, but it could be either a blow to my head when I was 13-14 yo, or mercury poisoning from amalgam fillings.> > Now, does anyone here know if one can be mercury poisoned even if urine toxocology says I'm not? Like the mercury will go to the tissue and somehow to show up in the blood/urine?> > >

[Guest guest]

Please tell us if you find out the name of that gene. You can also supplement to

increase methylation speed.

> >

> > Mercury only shows up in blood during acute stages of exposure, say a

filling placement or removal or exposure to high amount of the actual mercury

like a broken thermometer.

> > You can have mercury toxicity and have it not show up on screening, that is

what I had. Your body wants to store it in fat, organs, muscle, and hair to get

it out of circulation which is why chelation is do difficult.

> >

> > Kitty

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Gibcast <gibcast@ >

> > To: rt3_t3yahoogroups (DOT) com

> > Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 7:43:55 AM

> > Subject: Why did You get Hypothyroidism?

> >

> >  

> > I am still not sure why I had it/still have it, but it could be either a

blow to my head when I was 13-14 yo, or mercury poisoning from amalgam fillings.

> >

> > Now, does anyone here know if one can be mercury poisoned even if urine

toxocology says I'm not? Like the mercury will go to the tissue and somehow to

show up in the blood/urine?

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Howdy,

Long time no see.

Sorry to hear you were not well, Ms Val. Glad to see you are feeling better.

ok, I'm stumped. What is this 'methylation' stuff? How do I know if I qualify

or don't qualify? What kind of testing? (I'm searching now and studying a

little of the chemistry)

Also, if mercury doesn't pop up on HTMA or blood, then how can one accurately

check mercury levels? I was one with lots of cavities.. my dentists' best

friend (life long thyroid disease?). I had my amalgam fillings removed by a

regular old dentist, so who knows what happened there...I didn't know I was

supposed to have someone specially trained to take them out.

Thanks, j

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If you are a slow methylator, you will not excrete it in your hair either, so it

won't show up on a hair mineral analysis.

Mercury only shows up in blood during acute stages of exposure, say a filling

placement or removal or exposure to high amount of the actual mercury like a

broken thermometer.

You can have mercury toxicity and have it not show up on screening, that is what

I had.

[Guest guest]

Well I have my doubts that ALL of us have mercury issues. Especially as

I have onyl seen ONE dog wiht a silver tooth adn never a filling and I

never had fillings and yet hypothyroidism runs wild in all. I think

mercury pooling in our bodies may be FROM being hyo as we are unable to

detox our bodies properly when hypothyroid.

--

http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

[Guest guest]

I'm interested in this discussion because I am highly mercury toxic, and have

been pretty unsuccessful in detoxifying this for the almost 10 years that I have

known about it.

My doctor finally ran a series of tests to look at all the parts of the

methylation cycle and found only one component where I have trouble--glutathione

conjugation. I've been taking glutathione by injection but as of last

spring/early summer, on three types of chelation, there was no progress on

detoxing mercury so I quit chelating. At that time, a provoked urine test was

not bringing out much mercury but a urinary porphyrins test suggested very high

amounts of stored mercury. Some people have high porphyrins for other reasons,

so this was suggestive of mercury but not conclusive.

That was about the time I got on new Armour and spiraled downhill, leading

eventually to the T3 only treatment.

The GOOD NEWS is that apparently now I am able to move out mercury and lead big

time!! In my last provoked urine test, lead was 9 times higher than the highest

normal range, mercury was over 7 times higher than the highest normal range.

Scary, scary--but the rest of the metals and minerals suggest improvement and

that I am in fact detoxing.

The only changes I have made have been the T3 only treatment, and increasing

supplements of the precurser elements for glutathione conjugation: cysteine,

taurine, glycine, (and glutamine for awhile).

My doctor is extremely interested in what is happening. I'm pretty convinced

that the T3 only treatment is a key here because I was supplementing the above

before, only at lower amounts. That doesn't seem to explain the turn around in

ability to detox these metals.

I'm currently re-starting a chelation regimen. I'm curious how it will effect

my thyroid over time.

Sherry

>

> Well I have my doubts that ALL of us have mercury issues. Especially as

> I have onyl seen ONE dog wiht a silver tooth adn never a filling and I

> never had fillings and yet hypothyroidism runs wild in all. I think

> mercury pooling in our bodies may be FROM being hyo as we are unable to

> detox our bodies properly when hypothyroid.

>

> --

>

> http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://faqhelp.webs.com/

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

[Guest guest]

My dentist has been talking about glutothione and how without it you can't move mercury.

The precursor elements have probably been a big factor. It takes 2 molecules of glutothione for ever 1 molecule of mercury. So you can see how if you are very toxic you would quickly deplete the glutothione and come to a screeching halt! You can't get enough glutothione from diet alone, it is an amino acid that is supposed to be recycled but is lost with heavy metals.

Go slow with chelation, it is very hard on the adrenals.

Kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 8:41:26 PMSubject: Re: Why did You get Hypothyroidism?

I'm interested in this discussion because I am highly mercury toxic, and have been pretty unsuccessful in detoxifying this for the almost 10 years that I have known about it.My doctor finally ran a series of tests to look at all the parts of the methylation cycle and found only one component where I have trouble--glutathion e conjugation. I've been taking glutathione by injection but as of last spring/early summer, on three types of chelation, there was no progress on detoxing mercury so I quit chelating. At that time, a provoked urine test was not bringing out much mercury but a urinary porphyrins test suggested very high amounts of stored mercury. Some people have high porphyrins for other reasons, so this was suggestive of mercury but not conclusive.That was about the time I got on new Armour and spiraled downhill, leading eventually to the T3 only treatment.The GOOD NEWS is that apparently now I am able to move out mercury

and lead big time!! In my last provoked urine test, lead was 9 times higher than the highest normal range, mercury was over 7 times higher than the highest normal range. Scary, scary--but the rest of the metals and minerals suggest improvement and that I am in fact detoxing.The only changes I have made have been the T3 only treatment, and increasing supplements of the precurser elements for glutathione conjugation: cysteine, taurine, glycine, (and glutamine for awhile).My doctor is extremely interested in what is happening. I'm pretty convinced that the T3 only treatment is a key here because I was supplementing the above before, only at lower amounts. That doesn't seem to explain the turn around in ability to detox these metals. I'm currently re-starting a chelation regimen. I'm curious how it will effect my thyroid over time.Sherry>> Well I have my doubts that ALL of us have mercury issues. Especially as > I have onyl seen ONE dog wiht a silver tooth adn never a filling and I > never had fillings and yet hypothyroidism runs wild in all. I think > mercury pooling in our bodies may be FROM being hyo as we are unable to > detox our bodies properly when hypothyroid.> > -- > > http://nthadrenalsweb.org/> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/> http://faqhelp. webs.com/> > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/> http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/> http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/>

[Guest guest]

Right, but I was taking large amounts of glutathione by I.M. injection plus some

of the precursors and still wasn't getting anywhere.

Sherry

> >

> > Well I have my doubts that ALL of us have mercury issues. Especially as

> > I have onyl seen ONE dog wiht a silver tooth adn never a filling and I

> > never had fillings and yet hypothyroidism runs wild in all. I think

> > mercury pooling in our bodies may be FROM being hyo as we are unable to

> > detox our bodies properly when hypothyroid.

> >

> > --

> >

> > http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

> > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/

> > http://faqhelp. webs.com/

> >

> > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/

> > http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

> >

> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/

> > http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sure it is all connected, thyroid, adrenals and ability to handle toxins. I just think it is neat to hear about this stuff outside of my dental office!

Either way, great you are having some progress

Kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 9:01:11 PMSubject: Re: Why did You get Hypothyroidism?

Right, but I was taking large amounts of glutathione by I.M. injection plus some of the precursors and still wasn't getting anywhere.Sherry> >> > Well I have my doubts that ALL of us have mercury issues. Especially as > > I have onyl seen ONE dog wiht a silver tooth adn never a filling and I > > never had fillings and yet hypothyroidism runs wild in all. I think > > mercury pooling in our bodies may be FROM being hyo as we are unable to > > detox our bodies properly when hypothyroid.> > > > -- > > > >

http://nthadrenalsweb.org/> > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/> > http://faqhelp. webs.com/> > > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/> > http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/> > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/> > http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/> >>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I'm happy too!

I like the graph on Dr. Holtorf's website

http://www.holtorfmed.com/topics/cfidsfibromyalgia/cycle-of-dysfunction where

you can see how all these things are interconnected.

Sherry

> > >

> > > Well I have my doubts that ALL of us have mercury issues. Especially as

> > > I have onyl seen ONE dog wiht a silver tooth adn never a filling and I

> > > never had fillings and yet hypothyroidism runs wild in all. I think

> > > mercury pooling in our bodies may be FROM being hyo as we are unable to

> > > detox our bodies properly when hypothyroid.

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > > http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

> > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/

> > > http://faqhelp. webs.com/

> > >

> > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/

> > > http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

> > >

> > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/

> > > http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>>>Please tell us if you find out the name of that gene.

You can also supplement to increase methylation speed.<<<<

>>>What is the Methylation Cycle<<<

I suspect the Dentist was talking about Methyl Cycle Gene Mutations.

Most well known being MTHFR Mutations- there are a couple of them C677T &

A1298C.

I have tested as positive for a single C677T mutation as have both my Twin sons.

Note this is VERY common mutation up to 10% have double & another ~20% have a

single mutation!!! It is worked around by supping ACTIVE B vits. Especially B12

& Folate (5-MTHF).

Note active B2 Riboflavin 5 Phosphate (R5P) & B6 Pyridoxal 5 Phosphate (P5P)also

seem very important. It is best to supp ALL active B's especially if you don't

know your Gene mutations!!

Some Info

_________________________________________________________

Methylation Cycle

http://www.heartfixer.com/AMRI-Nutrigenomics.htm#MTHFR:

%205,10-Methylenetetrahydrofolate%20Reductase%20(Þ%205-Methyl-Folate)

The Methyl Cycle is the backbone of our physiology.

It's functional status determines our resistance or susceptibility to

environmental toxins and microbes. This is a confusing array of biochemistry,

but suffice it to say, a defect at any one point in these interlocking cycles

will inevitably affect the remaining pathways, and your overall health will

then suffer.

Methyl Cycle abnormalities explain why you are sick from environmental toxins

while the guy next door is just fine, why you are autistic while your fraternal

twin brother is not. While we cannot change your DNA, if we know your weak

links we can create " nutritional workarounds " - we can supplement alternative

pathways or withhold from your diet molecules that you cannot handle. If we do

not address the Methyl Cycle abnormalities that underlie unexplained or chronic

illness - well then the illnesses will remain chronic and unexplained, because

it is the Methyl Cycle Abnormalities that predisposed you to ill health.

_____________________________________________________________________

Note above deals with a number of Gene Mutations affecting Methylation including

MTHF C677T & A1298C.

Checkout the diagram & read the Mthfr C677T & A1298C sections.

A1298C has more trouble with Toxic Metals (like Mercury)than C677T.

That said I have a LOT of trouble with metals including Mercury.

I also have single Hemochromatosis C282Y mutation. Note 13% of folks have single

Iron loading mutation.

Interesting to read about the Vit D gene mutation VDR Taq.

Especially those who have trouble getting Vit D up.

Note Vit D affects Dopamine production!!!

You can test for all the mutations mentioned but is private & very expensive.

In Australia is easy (and pretty cheap) to check for The 2 main mutations C677T

& A1298C as well as a couple of the Hemochromatosis HFE Mutations C282Y & H63D

(some also test for third mutation).Note are not covered by Medicare but dnt

cost a lot either (ask the Path Lab before getting tested what they charge).

Lethal Lee

[Guest guest]

Andy Cutler uses Hair Analysis to check for Mercury Toxicity.

He doesn't look at level of Mercury excreted rather he looks at certain patterns

in excretion of a number of elements he says is caused by mercury. He prefers

using Doctors Data & has written a book about how to interpret.

Can read some of it here.....

http://books.google.com/books?id=U765adeBPlEC & pg=PA11 & lpg=PA11 & dq=Mineral+transp\

ort+cutler & source=bl & ots=29QdddkIPo & sig=kjVT7SNc5CVLPiGx206_0UbwvcY & hl=en & ei=8Bj\

lSYHAIZT0nQev4_StCQ & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=4#v=onepage & q=Mineral%2\

0transport%20cutler & f=false

He also warns against provocative challenge testing as dangerous.

>>>does anyone here know if one can be mercury poisoned even if urine toxocology

says I'm not?<<<< So the answer to your question is YES you can still have a

problem.

>>>Like the mercury will go to the tissue and somehow to show up in the

blood/urine?<<<

EXACTLY!! That's what Mercury does. It only shows in blood for a short time.

Urine & Hair levels will only showup IF you excrete Mercury well.

Lethal Lee

[Guest guest]

They sure sound like MTHFR muations!! (get it??)Thanks for the tip - I will look into this! This group is great!! Soon we've solved the Hypothyroidism puzzle all together! :)Sendt fra min iPhoneDen 6. apr. 2010 kl. 11.37 skrev "pricklefoot3" :

>>>Please tell us if you find out the name of that gene.

You can also supplement to increase methylation speed.<<<<

>>>What is the Methylation Cycle<<<

I suspect the Dentist was talking about Methyl Cycle Gene Mutations.

Most well known being MTHFR Mutations- there are a couple of them C677T & A1298C.

I have tested as positive for a single C677T mutation as have both my Twin sons. Note this is VERY common mutation up to 10% have double & another ~20% have a single mutation!!! It is worked around by supping ACTIVE B vits. Especially B12 & Folate (5-MTHF).

Note active B2 Riboflavin 5 Phosphate (R5P) & B6 Pyridoxal 5 Phosphate (P5P)also seem very important. It is best to supp ALL active B's especially if you don't know your Gene mutations!!

Some Info

_________________________________________________________

Methylation Cycle

http://www.heartfixer.com/AMRI-Nutrigenomics.htm#MTHFR: %205,10-Methylenetetrahydrofolate%20Reductase%20(Þ%205-Methyl-Folate)

The Methyl Cycle is the backbone of our physiology.

It's functional status determines our resistance or susceptibility to environmental toxins and microbes. This is a confusing array of biochemistry, but suffice it to say, a defect at any one point in these interlocking cycles will inevitably affect the remaining pathways, and your overall health will then suffer.

Methyl Cycle abnormalities explain why you are sick from environmental toxins while the guy next door is just fine, why you are autistic while your fraternal twin brother is not. While we cannot change your DNA, if we know your weak links we can create "nutritional workarounds" - we can supplement alternative pathways or withhold from your diet molecules that you cannot handle. If we do not address the Methyl Cycle abnormalities that underlie unexplained or chronic illness - well then the illnesses will remain chronic and unexplained, because it is the Methyl Cycle Abnormalities that predisposed you to ill health.

__________________________________________________________

Note above deals with a number of Gene Mutations affecting Methylation including MTHF C677T & A1298C.

Checkout the diagram & read the Mthfr C677T & A1298C sections.

A1298C has more trouble with Toxic Metals (like Mercury)than C677T.

That said I have a LOT of trouble with metals including Mercury.

I also have single Hemochromatosis C282Y mutation. Note 13% of folks have single Iron loading mutation.

Interesting to read about the Vit D gene mutation VDR Taq.

Especially those who have trouble getting Vit D up.

Note Vit D affects Dopamine production!!!

You can test for all the mutations mentioned but is private & very expensive.

In Australia is easy (and pretty cheap) to check for The 2 main mutations C677T & A1298C as well as a couple of the Hemochromatosis HFE Mutations C282Y & H63D (some also test for third mutation).Note are not covered by Medicare but dnt cost a lot either (ask the Path Lab before getting tested what they charge).

Lethal Lee

[Guest guest]

I agree unlikely we all have " Mercury issues " .

However we all likely have a genetic makeup that predisposes us to

certain things that can result in Hypothyroid (including Hashis/Graves).

For example things like Hemochromatosis genes, or MTHFR gene mutations (which

are VERY common) or Celiac genes.

Of course there's also toxin exposure which may result in Liver overload & that

causes all sorts of issues including autoimmune conditions, not absorbing

nutrients, etc.

One doesn't need to have Amalgams to be exposed to Mercury either. Theres plenty

in the air (coal burning), in meds, vaccines, in food too, exposure in the womb

& more.

It's a combination of our TOTAL toxin burden (our generation has the highest in

history), the quality (or lack of) our food & lifestyle (stress from long work

hours, poor sleep, etc).

Lethal Lee

> Well I have my doubts that ALL of us have mercury issues. Especially as I have

onyl seen ONE dog wiht a silver tooth adn never a filling and I never had

fillings and yet hypothyroidism runs wild in all. I think mercury pooling in our

bodies may be FROM being hyo as we are unable to detox our bodies properly when

hypothyroid.>

[Guest guest]

My whole family: mother, father, syster and I have hashis. I had quite a few

amalgams, my syster has a tiny (ridiculous) one.

My parents lived in a world very different to ours... I think the cause of

hypothyroid is not known, and I am not sure it is helpful to obsess about

mercury, celiac, etc... I have been myself obsesing about all this things (a

lot!). I removed all my amalgams and no change. I did all tests (including the

genetic ones) about celiac disease, and all negative... still my doctor is

convinced I should go glutten free.

Even before knowing I had hashis, I had OCD and I was reading a lot about

mercury, etc, causing it. I don't regret having had my amalgams removed because

I don't think it was good to have mercury on my mouth but really nothing has

changed. In the OCD forum I used to participate in there was the ocasional

person which claimed to have been cured by mercury detox. I have no reason to

doubt them but I am not sure mercury was everybody's prolem.

The only thing that is pretty clear to me is that there is a genetic factor

about hypothyroid...

>

> > Well I have my doubts that ALL of us have mercury issues. Especially as I

have onyl seen ONE dog wiht a silver tooth adn never a filling and I never had

fillings and yet hypothyroidism runs wild in all. I think mercury pooling in our

bodies may be FROM being hyo as we are unable to detox our bodies properly when

hypothyroid.>

>