Re: Re: Very confusing results- need help please

[Guest guest]

Sounds like all was done right...so it could be from something else. How are your salt/potassium levels?

Terri

From: gslaiher

Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 10:07 PM

To: RT3_T3

Subject: Re: Very confusing results- need help please

I did salt fast 24 hours before and stayed off of licorice for 2 weeks prior and woke up at 6 am took test at 8 am on the 3rd day of my period.>> If she didn't salt fast then her level would have been even higher since eating salt in the diet before the test will suppress it.> > > From: kitty Haindl > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 8:14 PM> To: RT3_T3 > Subject: Re: Very confusing results- need help please> > > > > Did you salt fast for 24 hours? Was it drawn the 2nd day of your cycle? Both of these things greatly impact the result.> > Kitty> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> > To: RT3_T3 > Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 8:10:07 PM> Subject: Re: Very confusing results- need help please> > > > I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness) My dr. was stumped. The best explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was the only thought he had at the moment. > > If you find an answer please let me know. S> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP, dizzy upon standing and a history of low adrenals??> I am totally confused.>

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Were you using licorice when you tested? It may well have caused these

of results. But as long as you have n o fluid retention nor HIGH BP

there is no reason to stop licorice.

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[Guest guest]

stehanie, you said you stopped running because of your adrenals. i am curious to

know what was going on that made you stop? i stopped to, to help with my

ferritin, but now that is up i am back to running. its hard. i feel like i

tooks off instead of weeks. maybe its too early with the rt3. thnaks,s

>Suzanne,

>

>That is interesting, because I am also a runner and noticed that I only have

the dizziness on standing after a run. I have since stopped running because my

adrenals couldn't handle it, but for three years anytime I run I would have

orthostatic hypotension. My aldosterone was 7 when it was tested a year ago, so

definitely not high.

>

>--Steph

>

>

>>

>> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness) My dr. was stumped. The best

explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was

the only thought he had at the moment.

>>

>> If you find an answer please let me know. S

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions

and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP,

dizzy upon standing and a history of low adrenals??

>> I am totally confused.

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

stehanie, you said you stopped running because of your adrenals. i am curious to

know what was going on that made you stop? i stopped to, to help with my

ferritin, but now that is up i am back to running. its hard. i feel like i

tooks off instead of weeks. maybe its too early with the rt3. thnaks,s

>Suzanne,

>

>That is interesting, because I am also a runner and noticed that I only have

the dizziness on standing after a run. I have since stopped running because my

adrenals couldn't handle it, but for three years anytime I run I would have

orthostatic hypotension. My aldosterone was 7 when it was tested a year ago, so

definitely not high.

>

>--Steph

>

>

>>

>> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness) My dr. was stumped. The best

explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was

the only thought he had at the moment.

>>

>> If you find an answer please let me know. S

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions

and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP,

dizzy upon standing and a history of low adrenals??

>> I am totally confused.

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

stehanie, you said you stopped running because of your adrenals. i am curious to

know what was going on that made you stop? i stopped to, to help with my

ferritin, but now that is up i am back to running. its hard. i feel like i

tooks off instead of weeks. maybe its too early with the rt3. thnaks,s

>Suzanne,

>

>That is interesting, because I am also a runner and noticed that I only have

the dizziness on standing after a run. I have since stopped running because my

adrenals couldn't handle it, but for three years anytime I run I would have

orthostatic hypotension. My aldosterone was 7 when it was tested a year ago, so

definitely not high.

>

>--Steph

>

>

>>

>> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness) My dr. was stumped. The best

explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was

the only thought he had at the moment.

>>

>> If you find an answer please let me know. S

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions

and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP,

dizzy upon standing and a history of low adrenals??

>> I am totally confused.

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

what is orthostatic hypotension?

>Suzanne,

>

>That is interesting, because I am also a runner and noticed that I only have

the dizziness on standing after a run. I have since stopped running because my

adrenals couldn't handle it, but for three years anytime I run I would have

orthostatic hypotension. My aldosterone was 7 when it was tested a year ago, so

definitely not high.

>

>--Steph

>

>

>>

>> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness) My dr. was stumped. The best

explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was

the only thought he had at the moment.

>>

>> If you find an answer please let me know. S

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions

and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP,

dizzy upon standing and a history of low adrenals??

>> I am totally confused.

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

what is orthostatic hypotension?

>Suzanne,

>

>That is interesting, because I am also a runner and noticed that I only have

the dizziness on standing after a run. I have since stopped running because my

adrenals couldn't handle it, but for three years anytime I run I would have

orthostatic hypotension. My aldosterone was 7 when it was tested a year ago, so

definitely not high.

>

>--Steph

>

>

>>

>> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness) My dr. was stumped. The best

explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was

the only thought he had at the moment.

>>

>> If you find an answer please let me know. S

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions

and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP,

dizzy upon standing and a history of low adrenals??

>> I am totally confused.

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

what is orthostatic hypotension?

>Suzanne,

>

>That is interesting, because I am also a runner and noticed that I only have

the dizziness on standing after a run. I have since stopped running because my

adrenals couldn't handle it, but for three years anytime I run I would have

orthostatic hypotension. My aldosterone was 7 when it was tested a year ago, so

definitely not high.

>

>--Steph

>

>

>>

>> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness) My dr. was stumped. The best

explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was

the only thought he had at the moment.

>>

>> If you find an answer please let me know. S

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions

and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP,

dizzy upon standing and a history of low adrenals??

>> I am totally confused.

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

what is orthostatic hypotension?

>Suzanne,

>

>That is interesting, because I am also a runner and noticed that I only have

the dizziness on standing after a run. I have since stopped running because my

adrenals couldn't handle it, but for three years anytime I run I would have

orthostatic hypotension. My aldosterone was 7 when it was tested a year ago, so

definitely not high.

>

>--Steph

>

>

>>

>> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness) My dr. was stumped. The best

explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was

the only thought he had at the moment.

>>

>> If you find an answer please let me know. S

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions

and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP,

dizzy upon standing and a history of low adrenals??

>> I am totally confused.

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

what is orthostatic hypotension?

>Suzanne,

>

>That is interesting, because I am also a runner and noticed that I only have

the dizziness on standing after a run. I have since stopped running because my

adrenals couldn't handle it, but for three years anytime I run I would have

orthostatic hypotension. My aldosterone was 7 when it was tested a year ago, so

definitely not high.

>

>--Steph

>

>

>>

>> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness) My dr. was stumped. The best

explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was

the only thought he had at the moment.

>>

>> If you find an answer please let me know. S

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions

and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP,

dizzy upon standing and a history of low adrenals??

>> I am totally confused.

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

what is orthostatic hypotension?

>Suzanne,

>

>That is interesting, because I am also a runner and noticed that I only have

the dizziness on standing after a run. I have since stopped running because my

adrenals couldn't handle it, but for three years anytime I run I would have

orthostatic hypotension. My aldosterone was 7 when it was tested a year ago, so

definitely not high.

>

>--Steph

>

>

>>

>> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness) My dr. was stumped. The best

explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was

the only thought he had at the moment.

>>

>> If you find an answer please let me know. S

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions

and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP,

dizzy upon standing and a history of low adrenals??

>> I am totally confused.

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , so when you realized it was your adrenals, did you test cortisol? Was it low?

I didn't test cortisol ( bad move I know-learned my lesson) I just started taking HC to see what it did to temps. It made me feel worse! I think I actually have high cortisol.

I'm with ya on the frustration, I really want an effortless run! Someday soon it will happen. S

Anyway I didn't realize that my adrenals were the problem and then even after I did realize I didn't know that I was doing more damage by continuing to run. It's pretty frustrating and I would love to get to the point where I can run again. I used to race triathlons and did a lot of running races. Right before all of this started with my adrenals I ran a marathon, which probably put my adrenals over the edge.--Steph> >>> >> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness)Â My dr. was stumped. The best explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was the only thought he had at the moment. > >> > >> If you

find an answer please let me know. S> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________ _________ _________ __> >> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP, dizzy upon standing and a history of low adrenals??> >> I am totally confused.> >>> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi , so when you realized it was your adrenals, did you test cortisol? Was it low?

I didn't test cortisol ( bad move I know-learned my lesson) I just started taking HC to see what it did to temps. It made me feel worse! I think I actually have high cortisol.

I'm with ya on the frustration, I really want an effortless run! Someday soon it will happen. S

Anyway I didn't realize that my adrenals were the problem and then even after I did realize I didn't know that I was doing more damage by continuing to run. It's pretty frustrating and I would love to get to the point where I can run again. I used to race triathlons and did a lot of running races. Right before all of this started with my adrenals I ran a marathon, which probably put my adrenals over the edge.--Steph> >>> >> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness)Â My dr. was stumped. The best explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was the only thought he had at the moment. > >> > >> If you

find an answer please let me know. S> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________ _________ _________ __> >> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP, dizzy upon standing and a history of low adrenals??> >> I am totally confused.> >>> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi , so when you realized it was your adrenals, did you test cortisol? Was it low?

I didn't test cortisol ( bad move I know-learned my lesson) I just started taking HC to see what it did to temps. It made me feel worse! I think I actually have high cortisol.

I'm with ya on the frustration, I really want an effortless run! Someday soon it will happen. S

Anyway I didn't realize that my adrenals were the problem and then even after I did realize I didn't know that I was doing more damage by continuing to run. It's pretty frustrating and I would love to get to the point where I can run again. I used to race triathlons and did a lot of running races. Right before all of this started with my adrenals I ran a marathon, which probably put my adrenals over the edge.--Steph> >>> >> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness)Â My dr. was stumped. The best explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was the only thought he had at the moment. > >> > >> If you

find an answer please let me know. S> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________ _________ _________ __> >> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP, dizzy upon standing and a history of low adrenals??> >> I am totally confused.> >>> >> >>

[Guest guest]

, sorry to keep asking you questions, but your story sounds all to familiar! I think it is common in runners, and expecially runners who are having babies, to get low on ferritin. I think that was what got me. I don't doubt I was a bit hypo all my life but didn't know it and frankly I functioned well, until I pushed the bars with three babies in four years and running the whole time. I am sure this is what caused the rt3.

I am assuming your dr ran labs on the estrogen? What range did they consider deficient? What was the cause of the palp? I had those too. IT was one of my first symptoms. They are gone now, wondering what has taken care of them?

Ya, your right about the saliva test. I really should have done one before I started taking HC. I have been weaning off HC and will test after I am off for a few weeks.

Thanks for your input! S

I thought the heart palps were hormonal so I found an alternative doc that I knew used bio-identical hormones. She diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue using the saliva test. My cortisol levels were really low. Unfortunately she put me on adrenal glandulars that had the whole adrenal gland :-(. I didn't know any better at the time and I was on her treatment protocol for 9 months. I also continued to exercise at that time, so was really doing a number on my adrenals.When I stopped running and really started taking it easy my cortisol levels did improve, but they are still low. I recently did a saliva test through ZRT labs. I also went to a doc this week who diagnosed me with Adrenal Fatigue (kind of already knew that), RT3 dominance (also already knew this), Vit D, Vit B-12, Magnesium, and estrogen deficiencies. He prescribe the HC, which I've been on for two days.I'm also on Cytomel and hoping now that I'm on the HC will be able

to start increasing. I'm only on 25 mcg after 6 weeks of T3 only. Surprisingly after two days on HC my temps are now 98.3 on avg. They were 97.8 before starting the HC, so not sure what is going on. Anyway...you should definitely have the saliva test since you feel like you have gotten worse on HC. I am definitely curious about adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism in athletes, but I haven't been able to find any studies done specifically on athletes. I think that my undiagnosed thyroid issue caused the adrenal fatigue and I'm sure the racing and training was really stressful on top of the untreated thyroid issues. Seems like there would be a higher incidence of AF in athletes who are also hypothyroid and are not being treated. I'm in a running group and I only know one other person who was diagnosed with AF. Seems like everyone else can just keep going and going with no problems. --Steph> > >>> > >> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness) My dr. was stumped. The best explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was the only thought he had at the moment. > > >> > > >> If you find an answer please let me know. S> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP, dizzy upon standing and a history of low

adrenals??> > >> I am totally confused.> > >>> > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Are you thinking low potassium and sodium can also cause the dizziness? S

You said your Potassium & Sodium were normal.Exactly what were the results & how long ago tested?Do you usually supp either one?or lying to an upright position. This can lead to dizziness or feeling faint. It is common with adrenal fatigue/low BP. > > > > >Suzanne,> > >> > >That is interesting, because I am also a runner and noticed that I only have the dizziness on standing after a run. I have since stopped running because my adrenals couldn't handle it, but for three years anytime I run I would have orthostatic hypotension. My aldosterone was 7 when it was tested a year ago, so definitely not high.> > >> > >--Steph> > >> > >> >

>>> > >> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness)Â My dr. was stumped. The best explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was the only thought he had at the moment. > > >> > > >> If you find an answer please let me know. S> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP, dizzy upon standing and a history of low adrenals??> > >> I am totally confused.> > >>> > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Just to chime in... when I was still able to exercise I used to love to run. It was around that time that my ferritin tested at TWO... never made the connection to exercise! This was also the same time I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's... I have never had children though so can't comment on that aspect.

Kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 11:05:16 PMSubject: Re: Re: Very confusing results- need help please

, sorry to keep asking you questions, but your story sounds all to familiar! I think it is common in runners, and expecially runners who are having babies, to get low on ferritin. I think that was what got me. I don't doubt I was a bit hypo all my life but didn't know it and frankly I functioned well, until I pushed the bars with three babies in four years and running the whole time. I am sure this is what caused the rt3.

I am assuming your dr ran labs on the estrogen? What range did they consider deficient? What was the cause of the palp? I had those too. IT was one of my first symptoms. They are gone now, wondering what has taken care of them?

Ya, your right about the saliva test. I really should have done one before I started taking HC. I have been weaning off HC and will test after I am off for a few weeks.

Thanks for your input! S

I thought the heart palps were hormonal so I found an alternative doc that I knew used bio-identical hormones. She diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue using the saliva test. My cortisol levels were really low. Unfortunately she put me on adrenal glandulars that had the whole adrenal gland :-(. I didn't know any better at the time and I was on her treatment protocol for 9 months. I also continued to exercise at that time, so was really doing a number on my adrenals.When I stopped running and really started taking it easy my cortisol levels did improve, but they are still low. I recently did a saliva test through ZRT labs. I also went to a doc this week who diagnosed me with Adrenal Fatigue (kind of already knew that), RT3 dominance (also already knew this), Vit D, Vit B-12, Magnesium, and estrogen deficiencies. He prescribe the HC, which I've been on for two days.I'm also on Cytomel and hoping now that I'm on the HC will be able

to start increasing. I'm only on 25 mcg after 6 weeks of T3 only. Surprisingly after two days on HC my temps are now 98.3 on avg. They were 97.8 before starting the HC, so not sure what is going on. Anyway...you should definitely have the saliva test since you feel like you have gotten worse on HC. I am definitely curious about adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism in athletes, but I haven't been able to find any studies done specifically on athletes. I think that my undiagnosed thyroid issue caused the adrenal fatigue and I'm sure the racing and training was really stressful on top of the untreated thyroid issues. Seems like there would be a higher incidence of AF in athletes who are also hypothyroid and are not being treated. I'm in a running group and I only know one other person who was diagnosed with AF. Seems like everyone else can just keep going and going with no problems. --Steph> > >>> > >> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness) My dr. was stumped. The best explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was the only thought he had at the moment. > > >> > > >> If you find an answer please let me know. S> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP, dizzy upon standing and a history of low

adrenals??> > >> I am totally confused.> > >>> > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Ya, I wonder if only had I supplemented iron the whole time I was running would I have avoided this chapter of my life? Live and learn! S

(you lose iron in sweat and also as your feet hit the pavement your are breaking up red blood cells-another loss)

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 9:08:49 PMSubject: Re: Re: Very confusing results- need help please

Just to chime in... when I was still able to exercise I used to love to run. It was around that time that my ferritin tested at TWO... never made the connection to exercise! This was also the same time I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's. .. I have never had children though so can't comment on that aspect.

Kitty

From: Suzanne Kann <kannsuzanne@ rocketmail. com>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Sun, April 4, 2010 11:05:16 PMSubject: Re: Re: Very confusing results- need help please

, sorry to keep asking you questions, but your story sounds all to familiar! I think it is common in runners, and expecially runners who are having babies, to get low on ferritin. I think that was what got me. I don't doubt I was a bit hypo all my life but didn't know it and frankly I functioned well, until I pushed the bars with three babies in four years and running the whole time. I am sure this is what caused the rt3.

I am assuming your dr ran labs on the estrogen? What range did they consider deficient? What was the cause of the palp? I had those too. IT was one of my first symptoms. They are gone now, wondering what has taken care of them?

Ya, your right about the saliva test. I really should have done one before I started taking HC. I have been weaning off HC and will test after I am off for a few weeks.

Thanks for your input! S

I thought the heart palps were hormonal so I found an alternative doc that I knew used bio-identical hormones. She diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue using the saliva test. My cortisol levels were really low. Unfortunately she put me on adrenal glandulars that had the whole adrenal gland :-(. I didn't know any better at the time and I was on her treatment protocol for 9 months. I also continued to exercise at that time, so was really doing a number on my adrenals.When I stopped running and really started taking it easy my cortisol levels did improve, but they are still low. I recently did a saliva test through ZRT labs. I also went to a doc this week who diagnosed me with Adrenal Fatigue (kind of already knew that), RT3 dominance (also already knew this), Vit D, Vit B-12, Magnesium, and estrogen deficiencies. He prescribe the HC, which I've been on for two days.I'm also on Cytomel and hoping now that I'm on the HC will be able

to start increasing. I'm only on 25 mcg after 6 weeks of T3 only. Surprisingly after two days on HC my temps are now 98.3 on avg. They were 97.8 before starting the HC, so not sure what is going on. Anyway...you should definitely have the saliva test since you feel like you have gotten worse on HC. I am definitely curious about adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism in athletes, but I haven't been able to find any studies done specifically on athletes. I think that my undiagnosed thyroid issue caused the adrenal fatigue and I'm sure the racing and training was really stressful on top of the untreated thyroid issues. Seems like there would be a higher incidence of AF in athletes who are also hypothyroid and are not being treated. I'm in a running group and I only know one other person who was diagnosed with AF. Seems like everyone else can just keep going and going with no problems. --Steph> > >>> > >> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness) My dr. was stumped. The best explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was the only thought he had at the moment. > > >> > > >> If you find an answer please let me know. S> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP, dizzy upon standing and a history of low

adrenals??> > >> I am totally confused.> > >>> > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

How interesting. This might explain why some top of the line trialthletes here in Australia have had to pacemakers put in. And these girls and guys are meant to be the healthy ones. Low adrenals =Low thyroid= heart problems.

Sky

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 5:00:55 AMSubject: Re: Very confusing results- need help please

IAnyway I didn't realize that my adrenals were the problem and then even after I did realize I didn't know that I was doing more damage by continuing to run. It's pretty frustrating and I would love to get to the point where I can run again. I used to race triathlons and did a lot of running races. Right before all of this started with my adrenals I ran a marathon, which probably put my adrenals over the edge.--Steph Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use

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Very interesting! I wonder if that would have saved a lot of us from this! But, boy do I miss running!

Kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 11:14:22 PMSubject: Re: Re: Very confusing results- need help please

Ya, I wonder if only had I supplemented iron the whole time I was running would I have avoided this chapter of my life? Live and learn! S

(you lose iron in sweat and also as your feet hit the pavement your are breaking up red blood cells-another loss)

From: kitty Haindl <cubblebubble@ yahoo.com>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Sun, April 4, 2010 9:08:49 PMSubject: Re: Re: Very confusing results- need help please

Just to chime in... when I was still able to exercise I used to love to run. It was around that time that my ferritin tested at TWO... never made the connection to exercise! This was also the same time I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's. .. I have never had children though so can't comment on that aspect.

Kitty

From: Suzanne Kann <kannsuzanne@ rocketmail. com>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Sun, April 4, 2010 11:05:16 PMSubject: Re: Re: Very confusing results- need help please

, sorry to keep asking you questions, but your story sounds all to familiar! I think it is common in runners, and expecially runners who are having babies, to get low on ferritin. I think that was what got me. I don't doubt I was a bit hypo all my life but didn't know it and frankly I functioned well, until I pushed the bars with three babies in four years and running the whole time. I am sure this is what caused the rt3.

I am assuming your dr ran labs on the estrogen? What range did they consider deficient? What was the cause of the palp? I had those too. IT was one of my first symptoms. They are gone now, wondering what has taken care of them?

Ya, your right about the saliva test. I really should have done one before I started taking HC. I have been weaning off HC and will test after I am off for a few weeks.

Thanks for your input! S

I thought the heart palps were hormonal so I found an alternative doc that I knew used bio-identical hormones. She diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue using the saliva test. My cortisol levels were really low. Unfortunately she put me on adrenal glandulars that had the whole adrenal gland :-(. I didn't know any better at the time and I was on her treatment protocol for 9 months. I also continued to exercise at that time, so was really doing a number on my adrenals.When I stopped running and really started taking it easy my cortisol levels did improve, but they are still low. I recently did a saliva test through ZRT labs. I also went to a doc this week who diagnosed me with Adrenal Fatigue (kind of already knew that), RT3 dominance (also already knew this), Vit D, Vit B-12, Magnesium, and estrogen deficiencies. He prescribe the HC, which I've been on for two days.I'm also on Cytomel and hoping now that I'm on the HC will be able

to start increasing. I'm only on 25 mcg after 6 weeks of T3 only. Surprisingly after two days on HC my temps are now 98.3 on avg. They were 97.8 before starting the HC, so not sure what is going on. Anyway...you should definitely have the saliva test since you feel like you have gotten worse on HC. I am definitely curious about adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism in athletes, but I haven't been able to find any studies done specifically on athletes. I think that my undiagnosed thyroid issue caused the adrenal fatigue and I'm sure the racing and training was really stressful on top of the untreated thyroid issues. Seems like there would be a higher incidence of AF in athletes who are also hypothyroid and are not being treated. I'm in a running group and I only know one other person who was diagnosed with AF. Seems like everyone else can just keep going and going with no problems. --Steph> > >>> > >> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness) My dr. was stumped. The best explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was the only thought he had at the moment. > > >> > > >> If you find an answer please let me know. S> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP, dizzy upon standing and a history of low

adrenals??> > >> I am totally confused.> > >>> > >> > >> >>

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Very interesting! I wonder if that would have saved a lot of us from this! But, boy do I miss running!

Kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 11:14:22 PMSubject: Re: Re: Very confusing results- need help please

Ya, I wonder if only had I supplemented iron the whole time I was running would I have avoided this chapter of my life? Live and learn! S

(you lose iron in sweat and also as your feet hit the pavement your are breaking up red blood cells-another loss)

From: kitty Haindl <cubblebubble@ yahoo.com>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Sun, April 4, 2010 9:08:49 PMSubject: Re: Re: Very confusing results- need help please

Just to chime in... when I was still able to exercise I used to love to run. It was around that time that my ferritin tested at TWO... never made the connection to exercise! This was also the same time I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's. .. I have never had children though so can't comment on that aspect.

Kitty

From: Suzanne Kann <kannsuzanne@ rocketmail. com>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Sun, April 4, 2010 11:05:16 PMSubject: Re: Re: Very confusing results- need help please

, sorry to keep asking you questions, but your story sounds all to familiar! I think it is common in runners, and expecially runners who are having babies, to get low on ferritin. I think that was what got me. I don't doubt I was a bit hypo all my life but didn't know it and frankly I functioned well, until I pushed the bars with three babies in four years and running the whole time. I am sure this is what caused the rt3.

I am assuming your dr ran labs on the estrogen? What range did they consider deficient? What was the cause of the palp? I had those too. IT was one of my first symptoms. They are gone now, wondering what has taken care of them?

Ya, your right about the saliva test. I really should have done one before I started taking HC. I have been weaning off HC and will test after I am off for a few weeks.

Thanks for your input! S

I thought the heart palps were hormonal so I found an alternative doc that I knew used bio-identical hormones. She diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue using the saliva test. My cortisol levels were really low. Unfortunately she put me on adrenal glandulars that had the whole adrenal gland :-(. I didn't know any better at the time and I was on her treatment protocol for 9 months. I also continued to exercise at that time, so was really doing a number on my adrenals.When I stopped running and really started taking it easy my cortisol levels did improve, but they are still low. I recently did a saliva test through ZRT labs. I also went to a doc this week who diagnosed me with Adrenal Fatigue (kind of already knew that), RT3 dominance (also already knew this), Vit D, Vit B-12, Magnesium, and estrogen deficiencies. He prescribe the HC, which I've been on for two days.I'm also on Cytomel and hoping now that I'm on the HC will be able

to start increasing. I'm only on 25 mcg after 6 weeks of T3 only. Surprisingly after two days on HC my temps are now 98.3 on avg. They were 97.8 before starting the HC, so not sure what is going on. Anyway...you should definitely have the saliva test since you feel like you have gotten worse on HC. I am definitely curious about adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism in athletes, but I haven't been able to find any studies done specifically on athletes. I think that my undiagnosed thyroid issue caused the adrenal fatigue and I'm sure the racing and training was really stressful on top of the untreated thyroid issues. Seems like there would be a higher incidence of AF in athletes who are also hypothyroid and are not being treated. I'm in a running group and I only know one other person who was diagnosed with AF. Seems like everyone else can just keep going and going with no problems. --Steph> > >>> > >> I too had high Aldosterone( and the dizzness) My dr. was stumped. The best explanation he gave me was maybe it was because I am a runner. I think that was the only thought he had at the moment. > > >> > > >> If you find an answer please let me know. S> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> pretty normal- then I took my aldosterone making sure to follow instructions and I am at 33 with a range of 1-16. How can I have high aldosterone, low BP, dizzy upon standing and a history of low

adrenals??> > >> I am totally confused.> > >>> > >> > >> >>

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Suzanne...Your comment about ferritin being low in runners got me thinking. I did a recent test in February after I stopped running and my ferritin level was 123. I did another test in March of this year and my level was 78. When I look back at my older labs, when I was running, I see that in 1996 it was 39 and in Feb 2009 it was 36. I did not start iron supplements. ..the only change is that I have stopped running. A recent iron panel showed high iron levels, which I need to call my liver specialist about, because they have me concerned. Anyway, since the rest of my iron levels are in the high range I think that rules out inflammation causing the ferritin levels to be up. Seems odd that my ferritin level went from being so low to what it is now. Could that really be from running?

Well, I am doing my own experiment with ferritin and running. I have tested ferritin while running with no iron supplements. Results are always in the 20's or 30's. I stopped running and started supplementing iron and after six weeks my ferritin went to 65! So now I am doing the same dose of iron supplement and have started running again. In just a few short weeks I will test ferritin and see how I am holding. I am hoping it will tell me I can run and know that my ferritin will stay in a good place with supplements! I will let you know how it turns out.I think I must have been on the brink of my adrenal issues, and then had my two kids in two years. I nursed my first for 18 months, nursed my second for a year, was running the entire time, and did the marathon a year after my second daughter was born. I'm sure all of that on top of my undiagnosed hypothyroidism is what I did my adrenals in. Not sure when the RT3 problem occurred. It

may have been before that or because of that. I have had symptoms of hypothyroidism for over 20 years it just didn't get really severe until after my second daughter was born. I actually felt ok until I stopped nursing her...I think that some how the oxytocin or other hormones produced when nursing must have helped in some way, cuz I didn't crash hard until I stopped nursing. Or maybe I was just living on adrenaline at that point. I don't know, but I came crashing down hard.

Too crazy! This is EXACTLY when I started having my symptoms. I think we are "on to something". I saw it but ignored it when I stopped nursing my second baby. However, once I stopped nursing my third there was no way to ignore all that went haywire. It was also at a time when I was running a lot. I got a "bug" to train a little differently. I wanted to run shorter, faster races instead of the longer, slower ones. I just pushed my body more than it thought was reasonable at the time. I took for granted the task of having babies and nursing. I should have waited for the more competitive running futher down the road.I'm still not sure what is causing the palps and I still have them. They do seem to be cyclical, but not sure if that is relevant or not. I think it could be the sex hormones, it could be the hypothyroidism, it could be the magnesium deficiency. I'm really not sure.

My palps were always around the beginning of my cycle. I thought it was low estrogen. They are gone now and I am not supplementing E. I think it might be the t3 helping?

Maybe between both of our experiences we can come up with some interesting research. S>> >>> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> >>