Muscles

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In a message dated 03/01/00 10:02:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,

roweg@... writes:

<< I was just wondering if any members have " Atrophy " of their muscles? >>

LOL not at all! I tell my physical therapist if my shoulders get any bigger

I just might have to buy a new wardrobe!

Patty

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Hi All

I had some atrophy in my hips but it is not to bad. Right now I have a big

problem with cramping in my leg and arm muscles. Also on the choking, I

wake up at least once a night gasping for air. If I am sleeping at the

right angle I dont have a problem.But I can not sleep flat at all.

Clara

p/s I thought I checked the digest form for the list but I am getting

indivualemail instead, MIchelle or someone can you put me on the digest.

Thanks I am already getting 100 to 300 a day!

I really love this list you guys are great!

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Hi

Beats me ? Are you thinking of endorphins ? You know sometimes when you get

a bad headache and if you squeeze it really hard it feels better ? Maybe its

something like that? You can't go getting the crap knocked outta you on a

daily basis girl ! Take a pain pill !

xoxo Kat

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In a message dated 11/14/2005 1:18:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

eric_s11050@... writes:

that is what lyme does so my advice is to go to your nearest mall and find

the sharper image and sit in the massage chair for 45 minuetes...repeat this

three times a week and try a hot whirlpool bath as that is the best..

eric

...I think they want you to BUY the chair !!! hahaha ! Or do you change

malls ? You crack me up !

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that is what lyme does so my advice is to go to your nearest mall and find the

sharper image and sit in the massage chair for 45 minuetes...repeat this three

times a week and try a hot whirlpool bath as that is the best..

eric

cooky <brntcooky_2000@...> wrote:

I have stumbled across a helpful thing for my muscles when they ache

so bad I can't stand it. I punch them very hard and it releases

whatever it is that is causing the pain for a little while. I have

tried deep tissue massage to no avail but it does feel good if I can

find someone to press hard enough. My girlfriend " pounded me " across

my back and it felt wonderful, except she had to quit because she said

it was too much of a workout.

Anyone know what this might be chemically/neurologically that's

happening in the muscles? (I have neuro-Lyme) When I asked the nurse

at the ID doc's she said " hmmm, that's wierd. " I thought, gee thanks,

another reminder that I am wierd.

Any thoughts?

cooky

[Guest guest]

that is what lyme does so my advice is to go to your nearest mall and find the

sharper image and sit in the massage chair for 45 minuetes...repeat this three

times a week and try a hot whirlpool bath as that is the best..

eric

cooky <brntcooky_2000@...> wrote:

I have stumbled across a helpful thing for my muscles when they ache

so bad I can't stand it. I punch them very hard and it releases

whatever it is that is causing the pain for a little while. I have

tried deep tissue massage to no avail but it does feel good if I can

find someone to press hard enough. My girlfriend " pounded me " across

my back and it felt wonderful, except she had to quit because she said

it was too much of a workout.

Anyone know what this might be chemically/neurologically that's

happening in the muscles? (I have neuro-Lyme) When I asked the nurse

at the ID doc's she said " hmmm, that's wierd. " I thought, gee thanks,

another reminder that I am wierd.

Any thoughts?

cooky

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Many years ago, I heard that any infection sucks the magnesium from your

body. I use Slo-Mag it is the right formula especially for muscle cramps

and pain. I buy it at Walmart. It is about $10, but up to $15 in the drug

store. It apparently is the correct formula of magnesium to use.

It really helps me.

Connie, Michigan

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>I have stumbled across a helpful thing for my muscles when they ache

> so bad I can't stand it. I punch them very hard and it releases

> whatever it is that is causing the pain for a little while. I have

> tried deep tissue massage to no avail but it does feel good if I can

> find someone to press hard enough. My girlfriend " pounded me " across

> my back and it felt wonderful, except she had to quit because she said

> it was too much of a workout.

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> Anyone know what this might be chemically/neurologically that's

> happening in the muscles? (I have neuro-Lyme) When I asked the nurse

> at the ID doc's she said " hmmm, that's wierd. " I thought, gee thanks,

> another reminder that I am wierd.

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> Any thoughts?

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Dear Faith,

When I had candida I had a lot of sore and tight muscles, especially

around my shoulders and mid-back. Candida toxins move around a lot,

which are mostly alcohol, and they will cause all kinds of muscle pains

and interfere with the body's utilization of calcium, magnesium,

phosphorus and other minerals required for good bone health. As you

continue progressing with the diet it will improve. Hang in there -

it's take time.

Hugs, Bee

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> Do any of you have trouble with the muscles in your mid back (bra

> height). Mine can get so tight around my spine and to the left of my

> left shoulder blade that it is hard to stand up straight and take a

> deep breath sometimes. I should say a lot of the time. Just wondering.

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> Thanks,

> Faith

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Thanks Bee. One gal suggested it could be my heart. Do you think this is

possible? I am sure it is the tightening muscles that give me a feeling like I

can't take a deep breath. I hate to think about another problem while I am

trying to recover from this one.

Faith

In a message dated 2/16/2006 7:48:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

beeisbuzzing2003@... writes:

Dear Faith,

When I had candida I had a lot of sore and tight muscles, especially

around my shoulders and mid-back. Candida toxins move around a lot,

which are mostly alcohol, and they will cause all kinds of muscle pains

and interfere with the body's utilization of calcium, magnesium,

phosphorus and other minerals required for good bone health. As you

continue progressing with the diet it will improve. Hang in there -

it's take time.

Hugs, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

You can end up with a sore arm no doing shots of T into a muscle will not make

it bigger.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <jo702ba@...>

> Subject: muscles

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> Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 7:48 PM

> what would happen if you inject depo-testosterone in your

> arm muscles

> will it make your muscles get bigger mine have always been

> small an I

> work real hard they still dont grow

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> what would happen if you inject depo-testosterone in your arm muscles

> will it make your muscles get bigger mine have always been small an I

> work real hard they still dont grow

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Hi,

eat more protein... not in place of what you're eating now... on top

of it.

try a gram of protein for every pound of body weight.

one of the easiest ways to get more protein into your diet is whey

powders.... I get mine from www.proteinfactory.com just get regular

whey in the flavor you like... no need for fancy aditives/extras... at

this point you just need more protein to make muscles out of...

do a couple of 2 scoops shakes a day for a while (with milk that's

roughly 100 grams of protein) say a month or two while still working

out hard and eating all you are n ow and you'll put on muscle

(assuming you have a decent test level).

[Guest guest]

Great just make sure the whey is not made from SOY to much SOY is not good for

men. It acts like E2 in your body a none working Estradiol that the brain sees

as working.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jbbooks1901 <jbbooks1901@...>

> Subject: Re: muscles

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> Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 2:23 AM

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> > what would happen if you inject depo-testosterone in

> your arm muscles

> > will it make your muscles get bigger mine have always

> been small an I

> > work real hard they still dont grow

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> Hi,

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> eat more protein... not in place of what you're eating

> now... on top

> of it.

>

> try a gram of protein for every pound of body weight.

>

> one of the easiest ways to get more protein into your diet

> is whey

> powders.... I get mine from www.proteinfactory.com just get

> regular

> whey in the flavor you like... no need for fancy

> aditives/extras... at

> this point you just need more protein to make muscles out

> of...

>

> do a couple of 2 scoops shakes a day for a while (with milk

> that's

> roughly 100 grams of protein) say a month or two while

> still working

> out hard and eating all you are n ow and you'll put on

> muscle

> (assuming you have a decent test level).

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

that's why I specifically said " WHEY protein powder " (which is also

cheap) instead of just " protein powder " ...

there are LOTS of protein powders... whey, soy, egg white, casein,

hydrolyzed... some are more expensive, some taste better than others

and some digest quicker than others...

plain whey protein is cheap, easily digestible, tastes decent, mixes

easy...

once you've got your test level worked out add some protein to your

diet and your body can put the muscle back on it that it should have.

the only one to avoid is SOY... soy is marketed for -WOMEN-

(specifically menopausal women) -FOR- it's estrogens.

> > >

> > > what would happen if you inject depo-testosterone in

> > your arm muscles

> > > will it make your muscles get bigger mine have always

> > been small an I

> > > work real hard they still dont grow

> > >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > eat more protein... not in place of what you're eating

> > now... on top

> > of it.

> >

> > try a gram of protein for every pound of body weight.

> >

> > one of the easiest ways to get more protein into your diet

> > is whey

> > powders.... I get mine from www.proteinfactory.com just get

> > regular

> > whey in the flavor you like... no need for fancy

> > aditives/extras... at

> > this point you just need more protein to make muscles out

> > of...

> >

> > do a couple of 2 scoops shakes a day for a while (with milk

> > that's

> > roughly 100 grams of protein) say a month or two while

> > still working

> > out hard and eating all you are n ow and you'll put on

> > muscle

> > (assuming you have a decent test level).

[Guest guest]

I check in often but some of the stuff doesn't apply to me.

I would like to find out from another person with DM about muscle loss.

Between August and October of last year my inflammation got worse and my glute

and tricep muscles especially just " collapsed " . Now they sag and I'm wondering

if exercise can get my shape back. Has anyone else experienced this ??

[Guest guest]

Thank you Eva and for your input into the muscle issue. Even though

I've improved my strength about 80% from last fall - I still feel muscle

fatigue in my upper leg and butt when I climb even a few stairs.

[Guest guest]

Sorry Jen - I thought it was Ken's post.

My skin is still red - face, eyelids, neck , chest, upper back,knuckles and

purple knees (especially after a shower).

I am single and looking to date again - I don't know if anyone can get past

my looks. My friends say it's not that bad, but of course I hate the way I

look. Oh and my hair is thinning at an alarming rate - anyone for a bald

lady ?

Thanks for your input,

Gorrill, Calgary, Alberta

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Krieger <kkrieger36@...>wrote:

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> dx with DM july 09. Started AP Aug. 09, remission May 2010. A lot of muscle

> loss during that time. Over the last 10 months regained a lot of my

> strength. Working out occasionally... determined to be more consistent, I

> think that will make a huge difference. I think it takes awhile for your

> body to recover from that kind of " attack " My skin finally looks normal

> again.. a little older but complexion is clear. As my muscle mass has not

> completely recovered I have similar questions, thanks for your post!

> Jen K

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> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 22:25:16 +0000

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I make myself get up the stairs at least once a week (15 steps). Going up is not

as bad as coming down I have to make sure I am holding on so I will not fall and

I better now wear slippers.

Eva

From: Gorrill <sgorrill@...>

Subject: RE: rheumatic Muscles

rheumatic

Date: Saturday, March 5, 2011, 8:38 PM

 

Thank you Eva and for your input into the muscle issue. Even

though

I've improved my strength about 80% from last fall - I still feel muscle

fatigue in my upper leg and butt when I climb even a few stairs.

[Guest guest]

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Since reaching remission/control of my DM and MCTD with CREST via the AP, I have

most of my strength back. The muscle definition that I had prior to DM is not

the same as before but I ice curl, 10-pin bowl, garden, walk miles up and down

hill, do stairs, ride a bike, open jars, grocery shop and carry my own groceries

to the car, load them, take them out again at home and put them all away, even

the 20 lb bags of sugar or flour. I can carry an 8kg bag of cat food all the way

from the house to the barn as well.

Life is great once again. Hang in there.

I have 4 grandchildren, the latest one is just 2 months old and for the first

time I have been able to hold and carry her around. When the other 3 were born,

holding a baby for more than 2 minutes was impossible. Thanks to the AP I can

experience that joy.

You too will one day get your life back with patience and perseverance and

possibly a lot of tweeking the protocol to conform to your own unique condition.

God Bless,

Carol_DM

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Carol, I loved your letter and celebrate your victory. These victories are hard

won which i why I celebrate them so. We are in a culture which wants instant

happiness and instant cure and change of diet is " just too hard. " What I think

is hard is being unable to live a full life, to hold that two month old

grandchild and not be able to walk up stairs! I am talking this today as my

phone rings a lot as scleraderma people find me and they are scared and want

help. Only ONE has been willing to do the AP and diet and living changes and

she is alive and doing WELL. The rest? I have said good by to when they passed

away and this breaks my heart.

We have many here who are still confined to wheelchairs on this site and I

applaud them and cheer them on as I want to see them able to WALK to the finish

line without so much pain and limitations. Bravo to ALL of us! Love,

rheumatic Re: Muscles

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Since reaching remission/control of my DM and MCTD with CREST via the AP, I have

most of my strength back. The muscle definition that I had prior to DM is not

the same as before but I ice curl, 10-pin bowl, garden, walk miles up and down

hill, do stairs, ride a bike, open jars, grocery shop and carry my own groceries

to the car, load them, take them out again at home and put them all away, even

the 20 lb bags of sugar or flour. I can carry an 8kg bag of cat food all the way

from the house to the barn as well.

Life is great once again. Hang in there.

I have 4 grandchildren, the latest one is just 2 months old and for the first

time I have been able to hold and carry her around. When the other 3 were born,

holding a baby for more than 2 minutes was impossible. Thanks to the AP I can

experience that joy.

You too will one day get your life back with patience and perseverance and

possibly a lot of tweeking the protocol to conform to your own unique condition.

God Bless,

Carol_DM

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> I'm getting a lot of muscles spasms, and involuntary movements in my arms,

> legs and face. It won't stop and I can't relax. I understand about the

> healing reactions and retracing, but this was already happening before

> (worse today and yesterday though).

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> It's difficult to get to sleep. I've been taking epsom salt baths and

> soaking for a while, but they're not helping, Is there a treatment or

> something to help calm this down?

+++Hi April,

It is always good to read messages by my moderators or me, so you can get more

information on issues like you describe. Many other people on this program are

also having the similar symptoms and reactions.

First, just to confirm, are you completely on all supplements and the diet now,

and not doing any other treatments or taking things not recommended, including

drugs, birth control pills, etc.?

Also, do you get those spasms and involuntary movements consistently throughout

the day and night, or just some of the time, and if so when do they happen more

often?

You also need to realize you will get new symptoms that are not due to retracing

as explained in the Retracing Article.

However any and all symptoms and reactions, whether new or because of retracing

past symptoms, are healing and detoxifying symptoms and reactions!

Toxins being released and detoxified are the main cause of your symptoms.

Also if you have too many foods, tea, herbs, etc. that are diuretic (meaning

they get rid of water) they will also get rid of important minerals.

Foods that are diuretic include green vegetables (some people go overboard on

them), caffeine, most tea and many herbs. Also ensure you are not having any

kind of " green " drinks or products like chlorophyll, chlorella, etc. which are

also diuretic.

If you take baking soda to settle your stomach, be cautious not to have too

much, since it is high in sodium which is also diuretic that can throw off

mineral balances. Less than 2 teaspoons total per day may be okay, taken in 1/4

teaspoon doses at a time.

People who like sardines get more calcium since there is 300 mg in every can,

which can also throw off the cal/mag balance, in which case you would lower your

calcium on days when you eat a full can.

Having 3 mugs of Mineral-Rich Bone Broth in a day provides plenty of calcium and

magnesium, in which case you should not take cal/mag supplements on days you

consume that much.

Minerals can only be utilized in the body if you get the correct combination of

good fats recommended on this program, including cod liver oil (contains omega

3, and vitamins A & D), vitamin E, saturated fats like unrefined coconut oil,

butter, lard, and other animals fats. Of course all of the nutrients work

together, i.e. protein, vitamins, minerals, fats, etc.

Also see How to Improve Insomnia (Sleep):

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/sleep1.php

All the best, Bee

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[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

OK, I'll see what else I can find. I found other medical problems on the

site like migraines, allergies, but didn't see muscles.

I'm on the diet, on most supplements, still need to buy vitamin E and I

think another. I'm figuring out amounts of some things like salt and fats.

I still need to increase coconut oil more. I think I am on most of it so

far. I'm doing the baths and brushing (have some questions on those). No

birth control pills, green drinks, chlorella, diuretics or other things you

mentioned.

I don't get spasms all the time, but I get them often and sometimes it's

worse like yesterday. Right now it is mild. If my muscles are not jumping,

then I sleep, when they're active I can't fall asleep. I'm not sure when

it's worse. It might be worse or I notice it more when I lie down or try

to rest, but it can also happen when I'm out.

You just told me salt is a diuretic, maybe that's what made it worse

yesterday because I've been drinking quite a bit of the salt drink. I

mistakenly made it with a Tablespoon of salt instead of a teaspoon. So much

to learn!

April

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

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> +++Hi April,

>

> It is always good to read messages by my moderators or me, so you can get

> more information on issues like you describe. Many other people on this

> program are also having the similar symptoms and reactions.

>

> First, just to confirm, are you completely on all supplements and the diet

> now, and not doing any other treatments or taking things not recommended,

> including drugs, birth control pills, etc.?

>

> Also, do you get those spasms and involuntary movements consistently

> throughout the day and night, or just some of the time, and if so when do

> they happen more often?

>

> You also need to realize you will get new symptoms that are not due to

> retracing as explained in the Retracing Article.

>

> However any and all symptoms and reactions, whether new or because of

> retracing past symptoms, are healing and detoxifying symptoms and reactions!

>

> Toxins being released and detoxified are the main cause of your symptoms.

>

> Also if you have too many foods, tea, herbs, etc. that are diuretic

> (meaning they get rid of water) they will also get rid of important

> minerals.

>

> Foods that are diuretic include green vegetables (some people go overboard

> on them), caffeine, most tea and many herbs. Also ensure you are not having

> any kind of " green " drinks or products like chlorophyll, chlorella, etc.

> which are also diuretic.

>

> If you take baking soda to settle your stomach, be cautious not to have too

> much, since it is high in sodium which is also diuretic that can throw off

> mineral balances. Less than 2 teaspoons total per day may be okay, taken in

> 1/4 teaspoon doses at a time.

>

> People who like sardines get more calcium since there is 300 mg in every

> can, which can also throw off the cal/mag balance, in which case you would

> lower your calcium on days when you eat a full can.

>

> Having 3 mugs of Mineral-Rich Bone Broth in a day provides plenty of

> calcium and magnesium, in which case you should not take cal/mag supplements

> on days you consume that much.

>

> Minerals can only be utilized in the body if you get the correct

> combination of good fats recommended on this program, including cod liver

> oil (contains omega 3, and vitamins A & D), vitamin E, saturated fats like

> unrefined coconut oil, butter, lard, and other animals fats. Of course all

> of the nutrients work together, i.e. protein, vitamins, minerals, fats, etc.

>

> Also see How to Improve Insomnia (Sleep):

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/sleep1.php

>

> All the best, Bee

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