Root Canals

[Guest guest]

Hi Ekyc - A year ago I did a " Biological Terrain " " thing with a local

alternative person - it was both bizarre and expensive - anyway she told me

I would never get better if I didn't have my fillings out - I told her I

had very little merc left - mostly caps and root canals - she then said I

MUST have my root canals cleaned out etc - I spoke with my dentist and he

didn't really think they were infected - i never followed up on it as the

whole thing just didn't " feel right " !! Deb

Root Canals

> From: Ekyc@...

>

> Hi All........yesterday I went to see an alternative dentist concerning

> dental issues and to see if this is the problem in relationship to CFS. I

> have tried just about all the possible conventional and alternative

> treatments and still not coming out of this. The dentist said from the

x-rays

> I appear to have infection in my root canals and some cavitation in a

couple

> of areas where I have false teeth. Anybody else out there who has found

root

> canal infection proved to be a major factor in their CFS and what

treatment

> options did you pursue and how are you doing overall? Thanks!

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How do you REMOVE a root canal?????? I have at least 8 of them.

Carole

[Guest guest]

Hi Carole,

Try a holistic dentistry website like www.bioprobe.com .

Al

Re: root canals

> How do you REMOVE a root canal?????? I have at least 8 of them.

>

> Carole

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cheney mentioned root canals in a lecture and they can be a source of

toxicity. I suggest getting a copy of his lecture from treefarmtapes.com, he

spoke at the conference for bioenergetic medicine in Florida.

Al

root canals

> Does anyone know Cheney's position on root canals? Should they be

> removed or not?

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have only seen one reference that Dr Cheney has made. It was a lecture,

(I think last year at Dallas/Fort Worth). He said that in some cases it is

important and that in some cases improvement is " chairside " . I can say that

was basically the case for me.

Hopefully others know more of his comments.

(2 root canals down, 9 more sites to go...eee gawd...)

> Does anyone know Cheney's position on root canals? Should they be

> removed or not?

[Guest guest]

Removing a root canal is like removing a tooth except in some ways less

intense (tooth is not alive, less to feel tho sometimes harder to get

numb) - there is alot of testing that can be done first and I am in no way

advocating that PWCs go out and start asking their dentists to yank them....

Removal for me was done by a " biological dentist " (the same ones who do

things like remove amalgams from vital teeth). Removal, IMHO, needs to be a

complete curetting (cleaning, drilling etc) of the site, bone, if it is

infected and also the ligament that was surrounding the original tooth needs

to be completely removed. The ligament is like a fiber that is around each

tooth root and it is understood by some now that if this is not removed, the

bone grows back but may leave a pocket where the ligament is (like the way

most of our wisdom teeth were taken out - yanked and the ligament remained)

and in that pocket is a great place for anerobic bacteria to thrive.

That is the main reason I am going this route - there is also the " energy "

side of having non-vital teeth in ones mouth but that is alittle more

esoteric.

Hope this helps some...

> How do you REMOVE a root canal?????? I have at least 8 of them.

>

> Carole

[Guest guest]

He told me root canal teeth are a source of toxins for some PWC's and

aggravate their symptoms. He determines this through examination and

deduction. I don't think he recommends removal unless their is evidence the

root canal teeth are causing problems. Steve Bullock.

root canals

> Does anyone know Cheney's position on root canals? Should they be

> removed or not?

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vilik,

I have used Biocalex and would be happy to talk to your Endodontist.

Regards

Noel

Professor Noel

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International 613 9347 8444 Fax 03 9347 8850 International 613 9347 8850

Email noelc@... Web www.smile.org.au

Sapere Aude: Dare to be wise.

All truth goes through three stages: first it is ridiculed: then it is

violently opposed: finally it is accepted as self evident. Schopenhauer.

root canals

Recently in response to my question there was a discussion on

list of root canals which included some info on biocalix, and

some people who said they knew dentists who used it. The initial

info looked promising but there was also further info indicating

the biocalixed root canaled teeth had not sealed.

I have found a wonderful endodontist who is really interested in

exploring this. But it seems the main endodontic assoc has no info.

My endodontist would love to talk to another endodontist who

has used it. If you have any info that would help me, please post.

THANK YOU!!!!!!

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A good 'alternative friendly' dentist/endodontist will use

simple kinesioulogy to test you for bio-compatible materials

on the spot. As long as they know how to do it, it is

simple, free (the dentist I used did not charge for this

added service, unless it was built into her fee, which was

very reasonable regardless), and very accurate.

I wouldn't waste my time/money on anything else. If

necessary, find a good kinesiologist, and ask them to

accompany you to your dentist (of course, your dentist would

have to be OK with this).

root canals

> Well, I've learned a little about this in the past few

months.

>

> First...different dentists have different opinions about

teeth

> needing root canals. Get several opinions and met several

endodontists.

> I went to one who was awful and then found one who is

wonderful. And

> they had different opinions about two of the teeth.

>

> A tooth needs a root canal when the inside of the tooth is

clearly

> dead. The dead tissue attracts bacteria. Thus infection

sets in.

>

> The one that everyone seems to agree on with me has a

fistule or abscess

> on the gum through which the toxins in the teeth now

drain. This is

> not a gumline abscess. A gumline abscess does not

necessarily indicate

> root canal.

>

> My endodontist will open the tooth and put calcium

hydroxide inside.

> This kills the bacteria. Then he puts in a temporary

filling and

> 'watches " . If the bone under the tooth fills in he

considers it

> healed and fills the canals with a permanent material.

>

> Many endodontists use quite toxic substances...like

bleach...to

> clean the canals. Mine does not. Check.

>

> The permanent filling us usually gotta percha (sp?) which

is what

> golf balls are made of. Apparently the resins and glues

used can

> be pretty toxic.

>

> My dentist has an alternative idea and is also exploring

biocalix

> through Dr. Noel. I had the websites for some info on

biocalix and

> can't find them. If whoever posted them would post again

that would

> be great.

>

> There are alternatives to root canals. You can have the

tooth

> pulled and get an implant. Titanium implants are from

everything

> I hear and read very inert...a metal with no problems.

Have you

> read the ROOT CANAL COVERUP? Can make you think twice

about

> root canals at all.

>

> Caps. There are labs that test your blood for

bioavailabilty

> with different materials. Would not worry about temporary

> overlap with amalgams. I will try to find addresses of

labs

> or maybe someone on list has them.

>

> Also, hope you are going SLOW on getting those amalgams

out!

> And doing lots of things to detox along with way. Slow is

the

> way to go.

>

> Interestingly I just went for this root canal and the

endodontist

> couldn't get me numb. Have to go back. Wondering what the

" meaning "

> of this is...

>

> Hope this is of assistance!

>

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i am interested in getting more information on the Beck magnetic pulserizer.

Where might i go to get more info?---thanks

dave

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I was told for 2 years that I needed a root canal after I showed the dentist

a draining fistula high in the gumline that would not go away. I pulsed it

with a Beck magnetic pulser for a few days and it hasn't bothered me at all

for a year.

ciao

Duncan

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Duncan,

I've heard many good things about the Beck magnetic pulsar.

When you use the magnetic pulser are there certain foods, herbs or

supplements that you need to avoid eating? If that is so, could you

explain why?

Thanks,

> I was told for 2 years that I needed a root canal after I showed the

> dentist a draining fistula high in the gumline that would not go away.

> I pulsed it with a Beck magnetic pulser for a few days and it hasn't

> bothered me at all for a year.

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> He told me root canal teeth are a source of toxins for some PWC's

and

> aggravate their symptoms. He determines this through examination

and

> deduction. I don't think he recommends removal unless their is

evidence the

> root canal teeth are causing problems. Steve Bullock.

Steve,

I realize this is an old post, but this may or may not apply to me.

What evidence does Dr. Cheney look for to determine if a root canal

is causing problems? Reading through some of the old posts it

appears as if the Great Smokies Detox test is appropriate. Do you or

anyone else know of other means to make the determination? Thanks.

Tim

[Guest guest]

I too will be starting to remove my root canals starting on this Tues.

I have been on amoxicillin and Keflex for two weeks to try to bring down

the fever enough to deal with this and was giving myself 2 and 1/2 weeks

from having my knee operated on before another assault on this body. I

haven't had swelling like this in my joints since I was dxed with Stills

disease in '73. (off subject I realise but any help from others that are

having to have surgery due to R.arthritis would be greatly appreciated.)

I had all of the mercury out 15 yrs ago and just keep getting sicker

as the years go by. Mercury levels are at 11. Receiving the composites

are toxic for me due to the novicane and the glues used. The same goes

for gold,I am told by my dentist that it is a mixture of metals. Gold

by itself is very soft. Thank you Donna for informing the group of the

test for sensitivity but I doubt that Medi-cal will pay for this.

A site for information on focal infections;

wwwlaltcorp.com

[Guest guest]

Tim, Sorry I don't know. Steve B.

Re: root canals

>

> > He told me root canal teeth are a source of toxins for some PWC's

> and

> > aggravate their symptoms. He determines this through examination

> and

> > deduction. I don't think he recommends removal unless their is

> evidence the

> > root canal teeth are causing problems. Steve Bullock.

>

>

> Steve,

>

> I realize this is an old post, but this may or may not apply to me.

> What evidence does Dr. Cheney look for to determine if a root canal

> is causing problems? Reading through some of the old posts it

> appears as if the Great Smokies Detox test is appropriate. Do you or

> anyone else know of other means to make the determination? Thanks.

>

> Tim

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

, you're right - Medi-cal will not pay for the biocompatibility test.

The Clifford test was $225. I don't know the cost of Peak Energy's test. Due

to my extreme sensitivites, including some metals that I knew of, it was

worth the money for me.

From what I understand the chairside test developed by Haley's group (the

web address you gave) is pretty good. These kits are designed to draw fluid

from down inside the gum surrounding the tooth/teeth before it is removed or

root canalled. Don't know about insurance coverage for it, or the price.

Also, Haley as kits for dentists to collect drainage/fluid from a site once

a tooth has been pulled or root canalled and send to their lab for a

thorough biopsy. Specimens can also be sent to Jerry Bouguot

(www.maxillofacialcenter.com) for testing.

There has been some discussion that with a diagnosis of both osteonecrosis

and osteomylitis, RC and or tooth removal may be covered. would know

more about that.

Donna in NC

Re: root canals

> I too will be starting to remove my root canals starting on this Tues.

> I have been on amoxicillin and Keflex for two weeks to try to bring down

> the fever enough to deal with this and was giving myself 2 and 1/2 weeks

> from having my knee operated on before another assault on this body. I

> haven't had swelling like this in my joints since I was dxed with Stills

> disease in '73. (off subject I realise but any help from others that are

> having to have surgery due to R.arthritis would be greatly appreciated.)

> I had all of the mercury out 15 yrs ago and just keep getting sicker

> as the years go by. Mercury levels are at 11. Receiving the composites

> are toxic for me due to the novicane and the glues used. The same goes

> for gold,I am told by my dentist that it is a mixture of metals. Gold

> by itself is very soft. Thank you Donna for informing the group of the

> test for sensitivity but I doubt that Medi-cal will pay for this.

> A site for information on focal infections;

> wwwlaltcorp.com

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

karenchambers@... wrote:

>

> I too will be starting to remove my root canals starting on this Tues.

Hope it goes easily for you and you feel better.

Thanks for posting the link. I do think my teeth need to go. Right

now, I am having information overload and need to calm down a bit

and try to become more organized.

I did order what is supposed to be a pretty good juicer last week. I

think it shreds the pulp and lumps it all together. I assume I could

use clean kitchen scissors and cut it into tiny pieces and just swallow,

or add to the juice. Either way, it should not need to be chewed but

still is fiber. I don't think it will grind meat.

> I have been on amoxicillin and Keflex for two weeks to try to bring down

> the fever enough to deal with this and was giving myself 2 and 1/2 weeks

> from having my knee operated on before another assault on this body. I

> haven't had swelling like this in my joints since I was dxed with Stills

> disease in '73. (off subject

IMO, is not off topic. The entire body is connected and effects are

felt everywhere.

>I realise but any help from others that are

> having to have surgery due to R.arthritis would be greatly appreciated.)

Have you asked at newsgroup alt.support.arthritis?

> I had all of the mercury out 15 yrs ago and just keep getting sicker

> as the years go by. Mercury levels are at 11.

I'm sorry to hear that Hg out 15 years ago and level is still 11.

>Receiving the composites

> are toxic for me due to the novicane and the glues used. The same goes

> for gold,I am told by my dentist that it is a mixture of metals.

I have trouble with my bite guard. Some kind of acrylic. nasty stuff.

Wonder what it leaches? ARRgh!

MA

[Guest guest]

Donna Pruitt wrote:

>

> There has been some discussion that with a diagnosis of both osteonecrosis

> and osteomylitis,

Do these show up on xrays or only through lab testing? MA

[Guest guest]

The xrays are not found to be reliable, ppl keep trying to come up with a

better system - latest was a kind of ultrasound called the Cavitat, but

proved to be too sensitive - I think its on its 4th or so generation of

improvement. Last talk with my holistic dentist (end of January) was that

the only reliable results were through lab testing. I assume that for

insurance purposes, like claiming a medical as opposed to dental condition,

that the labs would be the way to go.

> > There has been some discussion that with a diagnosis of both

osteonecrosis

> > and osteomylitis, (DP)

>

> Do these show up on xrays or only through lab testing? MA

[Guest guest]

I have some general questions regarding root canals. I have two; although one

has an Hg capbut both are filled with a rubber post, from what I think I

understand. If there's no Hg to remove in

the crown, what are you removing - the entire tooth? And what do you replace it

with?

Secondly, I did not have a lot of the " exotic " tests mentioned here to determine

my Hg. Through neuraltherapy, my doc determined my root canal teeth were indeed

dogging my system (so was

Candida). She was really up on getting a second opinion from a holistic

dentist, but first we did a urine test for Hg using Chemet as a provoking agent

(Doctor's Data). The level of extra-Hg

appeared only marginal. Any comments?

- N.

[Guest guest]

I think it can't hurt to get Hg out of mouths as long as the person is up to

it. It is a strain to remove it on the immune system, no two ways about

it - double edged sword. There is probably no real safe level for Hg, it is

the second most toxic substance known. But again, it at least seems that

some ppl do ok with it. It is the ones with immune compromises that raise

the question of removal and also which came first - toxicity or sensitivity?

Chemet is DMPS I believe, so that is the same as a DMPS challenge - ppl/docs

used to do DMSA challenges too but DMSA is called Captomer I believe. Some

ppl are concerned about the urine challenge test bc of the strain on the

liver plus the Hg that ends up being dislodgednad possible " backfires " .

Urine tests, it seems, go up and down depending on how much Hg is available

in the system at what time. I think these days it has become standard

practice not to do Hg tests with amalgams still in the mouth. I know my

doctor used to do them pre-removal but no longer does. There really is

nothing to replace a tooth or a rootcanal with except for some denture kind

of a thing, a bridge of some sort perhaps made out of material that one is

least likely to have a reaction. The rubber post is probably gutta percha.

That's about what I know. Sorry for all the posts, all - just a place of

research for me so may as well share.

> I have some general questions regarding root canals. I have two; although

one has an Hg capbut both are filled with a rubber post, from what I think I

understand. If there's no Hg to remove in

> the crown, what are you removing - the entire tooth? And what do you

replace it with?

> Secondly, I did not have a lot of the " exotic " tests mentioned here to

determine my Hg. Through neuraltherapy, my doc determined my root canal

teeth were indeed dogging my system (so was

> Candida). She was really up on getting a second opinion from a holistic

dentist, but first we did a urine test for Hg using Chemet as a provoking

agent (Doctor's Data). The level of extra-Hg

> appeared only marginal. Any comments?> - N.

[Guest guest]

Please can you explain why anyone would wnat to be toothless........in the

name of CFIDS????? You people that talk of this are soooo young......why are

you so desperate at such a young age? I care and I am very interested.

Carole

[Guest guest]

What is gutta percha?

- CDN

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/3/01 1:28:24 AM Central Daylight Time,

thunderchicken57@... writes:

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/3/01 1:28:24 AM Central Daylight Time,

thunderchicken57@... writes:

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Where are you having this done?

Carole