ready to try and switch to Westhroid

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This message is for Nick or Val

I've been on Cytomel (100mcg, 4 evenly divided and spaced doses) for nearly

three years.

My RT3 has long since cleared, I've been extremely healthy and all symptoms of

Hashimotos are long gone.

At this point, I am ready to try and switch to Westhroid (like Armour, combo

T4/T3) drug.

I know this may not prove fruitful but I'd like to make an attempt to see if my

" conversion " mechanisms are working or not.

The question is HOW do I make this switch without inducing a wild roller coaster

ride I'm not prepared for?

Do i gradually replace 25mcg dose of Cytomel with some level of Westhroid? Do I

do this cold turkey (doesn't feel right) or can Nick or Val advise on how to

best try this?

My plan is to start next week so any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I'll report back to all on how this adventure goes but I am more than ready to

try.

Kathy

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I would do it a bit at a time say start 1 grain natural and drop 12.5mcg

T3 then in a week or two driop the other 12.5mcg T3 as the T4 form the

natural builds to a point it is converting. then start on the next drop

12.5mcg and add in 30mg natural etc.

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Thanks Val. I was thinking something similar but probably would have dropped

T3 by 25mcg's per week, so this sounds even better.

How fast does T4 start converting IF conversion mechanisms kick in?

i don't want to go too far too fast if T4 isn't able to convert.

Thanking you, as always,

Kathy

>

> I would do it a bit at a time say start 1 grain natural and drop 12.5mcg

> T3 then in a week or two driop the other 12.5mcg T3 as the T4 form the

> natural builds to a point it is converting. then start on the next drop

> 12.5mcg and add in 30mg natural etc.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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>My plan is to start next week so any advice would be greatly appreciated.

>

>I'll report back to all on how this adventure goes but I am more than ready to

try.

Have a read of this link

http://thyroid-rt3.com/swapping.htm

Let us know how it goes, remember you can pause at any of the stable

points in the swap over for as long as you like.

1 grain is roughly equivalent to 25 of T3 so expect to end up on

roughly 4 grains eventually.

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

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Thanks Nick.

Here's a question for you based on your response. I was only ever on 2.5 grains

of Armour (at my peak) before the very high RT3 was discovered.

Do you really think I'd get to 4 grains on Westhroid, ultimately, given many of

my symptoms and issues were resolved within months of going to all T3? 4

grains, I know is 36mg (or whatever msmt) of T3 + whatever T4 converts to T3.

Are you saying my body will still need 100 mcgs (total) of T3 that can only be

obtained from 4 grains including the 36 of T3 in Westhroid plus whatever

converts to T3 from the T4?

Your link says to expect to need LESS T4/T3 combo than before going on pure T3,

not nearly 2 times the amount.Something doesn't add up for me on this.

Thoughts/reactions?

>

> >My plan is to start next week so any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> >I'll report back to all on how this adventure goes but I am more than ready

to try.

>

> Have a read of this link

>

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/swapping.htm

>

> Let us know how it goes, remember you can pause at any of the stable

> points in the swap over for as long as you like.

>

> 1 grain is roughly equivalent to 25 of T3 so expect to end up on

> roughly 4 grains eventually.

>

> Nick

>

> --

>

> for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

>

> www.thyroid-rt3.com

>

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>Here's a question for you based on your response. I was only ever on 2.5

grains of Armour (at my peak) before the very high RT3 was discovered.

Then gut feeling was you were under medicated. Did you have adrenal or

ferritin issues preventing you tolerating more??

>

>Do you really think I'd get to 4 grains on Westhroid, ultimately, given many of

my symptoms and issues were resolved within months of going to all T3? 4

grains, I know is 36mg (or whatever msmt) of T3 + whatever T4 converts to T3.

Are you saying my body will still need 100 mcgs (total) of T3 that can only be

obtained from 4 grains including the 36 of T3 in Westhroid plus whatever

converts to T3 from the T4?

Depends on whether you keep a suppressed TSH and shut down thyroid

like you have at the moment or if you part supplement and part use

your own thyroid production.

Each grain has 9 of T3 and 38 of T4. Out of that T4 something like

half turns into T3 so you can look at it as being 19 of T3 from the T4

and 9 of direct T3 making 28 of T3 equivalent (after the T4 levels

have built up and started converting). From this sum your NT

requirement is in the order of 4 grains if you are on 100 of T3 at the

moment and are correctly medicated there. The STTM site suggests most

people need 3 to 5 grains eventually. Val has found most people on T3

only need 75 to 125 and these 2 findings agree with each other.

>

>Your link says to expect to need LESS T4/T3 combo than before going on pure T3,

not nearly 2 times the amount.Something doesn't add up for me on this.

Depends if you were " non-hypo " on natural before going to T3

>

>Thoughts/reactions?

I will be interested to see how it goes for you, I've outlined my

sums, lets see if they are right.

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com#

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Okay, makes sense. . wish me luck!!!!

On was I hypo at 2.5 grains of Armour. .hard to answer given RT3 was sky high

and don't know if anyone can differentiate if they were sick, hypo or otherwise

not well because of too little Armour or too much RT3. I know I couldn't.

On did I have adrenal or other issues when on 2.5 grains and was it that I

couldn't go any higher. . had no issues getting to 2.5 grain dose. .and didn't

try to go higher cause of RT3 discovery, so hard to know the answer to that too.

i had a fully suppressed TSH on 2.5 grains Armour and still have a fully

suppressed TSH on 100mcg Cytomel. I have Hashimotos and TPO antibodies were in

the 2300 area so the ONLY way I feel well is at suppressed TSH, in the .03 or so

area.

My gut says I won't go to 4 grains, but only time will tell.

I am not comfortable ordering from Mexico for Cynomel as i like to be sure I can

get the medications when I need them (I know I may be risk averse, but to each

his own)

Thank you and I'll let all my forum friends know how I do.

Kathy

>

> >Here's a question for you based on your response. I was only ever on 2.5

grains of Armour (at my peak) before the very high RT3 was discovered.

>

> Then gut feeling was you were under medicated. Did you have adrenal or

> ferritin issues preventing you tolerating more??

> >

> >Do you really think I'd get to 4 grains on Westhroid, ultimately, given many

of my symptoms and issues were resolved within months of going to all T3? 4

grains, I know is 36mg (or whatever msmt) of T3 + whatever T4 converts to T3.

Are you saying my body will still need 100 mcgs (total) of T3 that can only be

obtained from 4 grains including the 36 of T3 in Westhroid plus whatever

converts to T3 from the T4?

>

> Depends on whether you keep a suppressed TSH and shut down thyroid

> like you have at the moment or if you part supplement and part use

> your own thyroid production.

>

> Each grain has 9 of T3 and 38 of T4. Out of that T4 something like

> half turns into T3 so you can look at it as being 19 of T3 from the T4

> and 9 of direct T3 making 28 of T3 equivalent (after the T4 levels

> have built up and started converting). From this sum your NT

> requirement is in the order of 4 grains if you are on 100 of T3 at the

> moment and are correctly medicated there. The STTM site suggests most

> people need 3 to 5 grains eventually. Val has found most people on T3

> only need 75 to 125 and these 2 findings agree with each other.

> >

> >Your link says to expect to need LESS T4/T3 combo than before going on pure

T3, not nearly 2 times the amount.Something doesn't add up for me on this.

>

> Depends if you were " non-hypo " on natural before going to T3

> >

> >Thoughts/reactions?

>

> I will be interested to see how it goes for you, I've outlined my

> sums, lets see if they are right.

>

> Nick

>

> --

>

> for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

>

> www.thyroid-rt3.com#

>

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>I am not comfortable ordering from Mexico for Cynomel as i like to be sure I

can get the medications when I need them (I know I may be risk averse, but to

each his own)

I keep 6 months supply in from Mexico as my risk reduction and am

happy with that as a strategy.

Natural has been harder to get the last 9 months than T3. When Armour

reformulated and I crashed on it I ended up buying " Greater Pharma "

from Thailand (and that was even better than old Armour).

The generic manufacturer that made the " Thyroid USP " that was sold

under various brands including URL, Westrhroid, Naturthroid, and Major

pharmaceuticals got pushed out of business and Armour stopped making

the reformulated natural for a while so there was a total lack of

natural made in the USA for a while.

People started importing Erfa from Canada and 2 brands from Thailand

and gave good reports to all of them.

>

>Thank you and I'll let all my forum friends know how I do.

Please do, we don't have many success stories of people switching

back.

Nick