how long does it take?

[Guest guest]

Hi Jaco,

Two weeks is a very short time. It is not even long enough to get up

to the maximun dosage, if you are following Buhner's guidelines on how

to increase the dose.

Buhner recommends -once you get to the maximum dosage, follow that for

a minimum of 3 months, or as long as 18 months.

In my case, I did the max for 3 months and I felt pretty good, so I

stopped. After a couple of weeks, some of the pain in my leg returned,

so I started taking Esberitox (Echinacae) sort of as an experiment

because it had proven to be a good immune booster for me. I did that

for about 3 weeks (?I think - not sure exactly how long). Then stopped.

Good luck.

ellen

>

> Just wondering when others started noticing a difference after starting

> the protocol. I've been taking andrographis, knotweed and smilax for 2

> weeks but to date feel exactly the same. slowly increased the dose of

> each as Buhner recommends. intend to start the cats claw soon. Any

> feedback welcome. Thanks.

>

> Jaco

>

[Guest guest]

THANKS ELLEN

I was trying to find out when people noticed any difference positive or

negative, i.e were they working for you and if not at what stage if any should

you try something else - sounds as though 4 mths was enough for you to recover,

lets hope it works for me.

jaco

[ ] Re: how long does it take?

Hi Jaco,

Two weeks is a very short time. It is not even long enough to get up

to the maximun dosage, if you are following Buhner's guidelines on how

to increase the dose.

Buhner recommends -once you get to the maximum dosage, follow that for

a minimum of 3 months, or as long as 18 months.

In my case, I did the max for 3 months and I felt pretty good, so I

stopped. After a couple of weeks, some of the pain in my leg returned,

so I started taking Esberitox (Echinacae) sort of as an experiment

because it had proven to be a good immune booster for me. I did that

for about 3 weeks (?I think - not sure exactly how long). Then stopped.

Good luck.

ellen

[Guest guest]

hi jaco,

i first started with Inflammation Control (stephania extract). i noticed a

little improvement in my painful, swollen knee when i got to about half the

max dose (1 cap 3xday). then sudden improvement in knee at full max dose

(2caps 3xday).

for the rest of protocol, i noticed some slow, minor improvements when about

half of max dose (for me, 6 caps per day). when i got to 12 caps per day,

started overall more noticeable improvements. sometimes i would not realize

there was an improvement until weeks or months later, when something would

remind me--oh, i used to have that problem all the time, haven't noticed it

in long while :-) like my eye pain gone.

how much of each herb are you taking now? have you been keeping a journal of

symptoms?

blessings on your journey,

kendra

-----Original Message-----

From:

[mailto: ]On Behalf Of russellhuxtable

Just wondering when others started noticing a difference after starting

the protocol. I've been taking andrographis, knotweed and smilax for 2

weeks but to date feel exactly the same. slowly increased the dose of

each as Buhner recommends. intend to start the cats claw soon. Any

feedback welcome. Thanks.

Jaco

[Guest guest]

HI KENRDA

I've been keeping a daily record since december and decided to try the herbs and

stop abx for the moment as i have just stayed around the 60-70% level the last 6

mths. I was very ill for 5 mths before taking the abx, in and out of hospital ,

kept collapsing, etc and it was odd how the abx got me to 60-70% in 3 mths but

then stuck. Interesting as Buhner says for some people abx only will only get

you so far. This is not to bad as it means i can walk a little and even drive

short distances but still can't manage shops or stand up for long periods. I

plan to increase the herb dose quite rapidly double the dose every 3 days so

should be taking 16 capsules a day in another week or so (taking andrographis,

knotweed and smilax for now). I'll maybe start abx again in a couple of weeks

(my LLMD wants a full blood test done to try and work out why the doxycycline

hasn't resulted in any continued mprovement) as buhner seems to suggest for many

people this is the best solution. Also stopped abx for now to have a blood

test, the test from germany, seems to be the best one out there to tell

you if the infection is active but to ensure accuracy you need to have stopped

abx for at least two weeks. The blood test specialist wasn't sure if herbs

would make a difference so decided to start them anyway, does anyone know if you

need to be of herbs as well before the test?, buhner dosen't say anything about

this from memory, but it may be he did not know about this test as it is more

recent

Jaco

RE: [ ] how long does it take?

hi jaco,

i first started with Inflammation Control (stephania extract). i noticed a

little improvement in my painful, swollen knee when i got to about half the

max dose (1 cap 3xday). then sudden improvement in knee at full max dose

(2caps 3xday).

for the rest of protocol, i noticed some slow, minor improvements when about

half of max dose (for me, 6 caps per day). when i got to 12 caps per day,

started overall more noticeable improvements. sometimes i would not realize

there was an improvement until weeks or months later, when something would

remind me--oh, i used to have that problem all the time, haven't noticed it

in long while :-) like my eye pain gone.

how much of each herb are you taking now? have you been keeping a journal of

symptoms?

blessings on your journey,

kendra

[Guest guest]

My husband didn't see any real improvement for 2 months on 4 capsules/day of the

core herbs. At that point he lowered the dose to 3/day and has been steadily

improving. After an additional 2 months he has many symptom free days. I don't

know if the improvement would have come anyway after 2 months, which is the

minimum Buhner suggests for staying on the max dose, or if the lower dose just

works better for him for some reason.

Angie

kendra <kendraz@...> wrote: hi jaco,

i first started with Inflammation Control (stephania extract). i noticed a

little improvement in my painful, swollen knee when i got to about half the

max dose (1 cap 3xday). then sudden improvement in knee at full max dose

(2caps 3xday).

for the rest of protocol, i noticed some slow, minor improvements when about

half of max dose (for me, 6 caps per day). when i got to 12 caps per day,

started overall more noticeable improvements. sometimes i would not realize

there was an improvement until weeks or months later, when something would

remind me--oh, i used to have that problem all the time, haven't noticed it

in long while :-) like my eye pain gone.

how much of each herb are you taking now? have you been keeping a journal of

symptoms?

blessings on your journey,

kendra

[Guest guest]

Well, IF you haven't noticed ANY change, I would start the Cat's Claw RIGHT

AWAY, and I would also add in Devil's Claw, AND Stephania Root. Course, I hope

you are taking Milk Thistle and Red Root tincture to protect your Lymph system

so you don't herx so bad.

WHAT are your symptoms?

Jim.

###

russellhuxtable <russel.huxtable@...> wrote:

Just wondering when others started noticing a difference after

starting

the protocol. I've been taking andrographis, knotweed and smilax for 2

weeks but to date feel exactly the same. slowly increased the dose of

each as Buhner recommends. intend to start the cats claw soon. Any

feedback welcome. Thanks.

Jaco

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim

Thanks. Other than the general fatigue and disorientation my main problem is

chest and arm pain. Use a hot water bottle which seems to help, understand

this is a fairly common lyme complaint. So far haven't herxed on the herbs

hopefully cats claw will be ok also. Understand you only herx in early

days/first week or so of a new abx or herb. I'm reluctant to try anything not

on the core protocol for the moment to see if this has any effect.

Jaco

Re: [ ] how long does it take?

Well, IF you haven't noticed ANY change, I would start the Cat's Claw RIGHT

AWAY, and I would also add in Devil's Claw, AND Stephania Root. Course, I hope

you are taking Milk Thistle and Red Root tincture to protect your Lymph system

so you don't herx so bad.

WHAT are your symptoms?

Jim.

###

[Guest guest]

>Hi Jaco,

Glad to hear you've got started with the herbs.

Re. herxing, I think a week or 2 on each new herb should show you as a

rough guide whether you are tolerating it, but as 'herx' symptoms are

related to die-off of pathogens, the length of time you experience

them is likely to depend on a lot of factors [ eg. length of time

infected, severity or number of bites, presence of coinfections or

yeast overgrowth, state of your own immune system, your body's ability

to 'bind' and excrete the toxins, not to mention your other lifestyle

choices, diet, other supplements etc].

I just don't want you to underestimate the time here and be

disappointed if you don't improve quite so quickly!

Good luck,

Carolyn

> Hi Jim

> Thanks. Other than the general fatigue and disorientation my main

problem is chest and arm pain. Use a hot water bottle which seems to

help, understand this is a fairly common lyme complaint. So far

haven't herxed on the herbs hopefully cats claw will be ok also.

Understand you only herx in early days/first week or so of a new abx

or herb. I'm reluctant to try anything not on the core protocol for

the moment to see if this has any effect.

>

> Jaco

> Re: [ ] how long does it take?

>

>

> Well, IF you haven't noticed ANY change, I would start the Cat's

Claw RIGHT AWAY, and I would also add in Devil's Claw, AND Stephania

Root. Course, I hope you are taking Milk Thistle and Red Root tincture

to protect your Lymph system so you don't herx so bad.

>

> WHAT are your symptoms?

>

> Jim.

> ###

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jaco:

Certainly up to YOU what route you take.

I personally started Devil's Claw even before Andrographis. AND I am GLAD

that I DID, as it helped me so much with my blurred vision and brain fog

problems.

Buhner recommends it for PAIN of Lyme Arthritis and inflammation, which is

what you reported to me, but I found the BEST benefits were for my Neuro Lyme.

I didn't have so much of an arm pain problem. Mine has always been in the

tendons behind the knees, and also in my hips.

Take care,

Jim

###

carolyntriance <carolyntriance@...> wrote:

>Hi Jaco,

Glad to hear you've got started with the herbs.

Re. herxing, I think a week or 2 on each new herb should show you as a

rough guide whether you are tolerating it, but as 'herx' symptoms are

related to die-off of pathogens, the length of time you experience

them is likely to depend on a lot of factors [ eg. length of time

infected, severity or number of bites, presence of coinfections or

yeast overgrowth, state of your own immune system, your body's ability

to 'bind' and excrete the toxins, not to mention your other lifestyle

choices, diet, other supplements etc].

I just don't want you to underestimate the time here and be

disappointed if you don't improve quite so quickly!

Good luck,

Carolyn

> Hi Jim

> Thanks. Other than the general fatigue and disorientation my main

problem is chest and arm pain. Use a hot water bottle which seems to

help, understand this is a fairly common lyme complaint. So far

haven't herxed on the herbs hopefully cats claw will be ok also.

Understand you only herx in early days/first week or so of a new abx

or herb. I'm reluctant to try anything not on the core protocol for

the moment to see if this has any effect.

[Guest guest]

thanks Jim and Carolyn

Just to clarify I don't think my chest/arm pain is inflammation rather nerve

damage. I understand this is quite a common lyme problem with many case of

people being admitted to hospital thinking they are having a heart attack, I

must have thought I was having one hundreds of times before I found out what it

was. this pain comes and goes can be there for days on end or not be a problem

for weeks. May be a coincidence but I'm now taking 12 capsules a day of

andrographis, knotweed, smilax and 4 of cats claw and very light pain since I

upped the dose. so lets hope it's the herbs. Unfortunately I can barely afford

these so reluctant to try anything else yet, after all Buhner says the core

protocol should do it for most people.

still understand herxing to be the new reaction to medication/herbs not a die

off, at least this seems to be what the experts say. Often when people are

talking about herxing just sounds like symptoms to me, but what do I know?

Jaco

Re: [ ] how long does it take?

Hi Jaco:

Certainly up to YOU what route you take.

I personally started Devil's Claw even before Andrographis. AND I am GLAD that

I DID, as it helped me so much with my blurred vision and brain fog problems.

Buhner recommends it for PAIN of Lyme Arthritis and inflammation, which is

what you reported to me, but I found the BEST benefits were for my Neuro Lyme. I

didn't have so much of an arm pain problem. Mine has always been in the tendons

behind the knees, and also in my hips.

Take care,

Jim

###

[Guest guest]

>Hi ,

Thought I'd write back because we are taking such a similar

combination [though I have just finished the doxy]. In terms of SB's

herbs, I'm on the same ones as you [having just started Samento

again], with the addition of Eleuthero. When I was on Doxy as well, I

took the herbs 3 times daily rather than 4, so stuck at 12 of

Andrographis and Knotweed, 9 Smilax and 6 Eleuthero, once I had

stopped Samento/ Cat's Claw because of the raised liver enzymes we

wrote about earlier.

You do seem to have got to a high dose fairly fast, which, given that

you're also on abx, may be causing the nausea. I get intermittently

the sort of pain I think you're talking about more in my

neck/shouder/left upper back, and also peripheral neuropathy [feelings

of chills and numbness] in both arms. My experience of being on abx

and herbs was a general intensifiction of symptoms that were already

familiar, particularly fatigue, weakness, aching, brain fog, also

'urgent' toilet habits [!]. I didn't get nausea as such, though I do

have stomach bloating and a feeling of raw soreness throughout the

G.I. tract. Interestingly, now that I have finished the abx and pushed

up the herbs nearly to maximum [Andrographis 2 to go and Samento not

back up to full], the intensification of symptoms is continuing.

Obviously, i am hoping this is all a good sign that stuff is being

killed off. I do, however, know just what you mean about herxing and

plain symptoms: only time will tell unfortunately.

If your nausea gets out of control, perhaps you should consider

reducing some of the herbs, checking the liver enzymes periodically

because of the Cat's claw ,or possibly adding Milk thistle, which is

not very pricey and wouldn't be taken in the same huge quantities.

Milder nausea may be helped, of course by drinking peppermint or

chamomile tea, which, living in France, I'm sure you already know.

Good luck,

Carolyn

> thanks Jim and Carolyn

>

> Just to clarify I don't think my chest/arm pain is inflammation

rather nerve damage. I understand this is quite a common lyme problem

with many case of people being admitted to hospital thinking they are

having a heart attack, I must have thought I was having one hundreds

of times before I found out what it was. this pain comes and goes can

be there for days on end or not be a problem for weeks. May be a

coincidence but I'm now taking 12 capsules a day of andrographis,

knotweed, smilax and 4 of cats claw and very light pain since I upped

the dose. so lets hope it's the herbs. Unfortunately I can barely

afford these so reluctant to try anything else yet, after all Buhner

says the core protocol should do it for most people.

>

> still understand herxing to be the new reaction to medication/herbs

not a die off, at least this seems to be what the experts say. Often

when people are talking about herxing just sounds like symptoms to me,

but what do I know?

>

> Jaco

>

>

> Re: [ ] how long does it take?

>

>

> Hi Jaco:

> Certainly up to YOU what route you take.

>

> I personally started Devil's Claw even before Andrographis. AND I

am GLAD that I DID, as it helped me so much with my blurred vision and

brain fog problems.

>

> Buhner recommends it for PAIN of Lyme Arthritis and inflammation,

which is what you reported to me, but I found the BEST benefits were

for my Neuro Lyme. I didn't have so much of an arm pain problem. Mine

has always been in the tendons behind the knees, and also in my hips.

>

> Take care,

> Jim

> ###

>

[Guest guest]

hi Carolyn

I stopped the doxy before starring the herbs mainly because I want to try the

melissa blood test and you need to stop abx at least 2 weeks before. also the

doc said I could stop as the doxy hadn't made any change good or bad and he

wants me to have a babesia test and full blood count to see if this is why I'm

stuck. I'm going to try and get all the tests done this week and then maybe

start the abx again afterwards perhaps different abx? also stopped to see the

difference the herbs made, if you take abx then could be down to them.

So far no stomach problems with herbs, I have very little patience, mercury in

aries, so figured I'd increase the herbs quickly as long as my stomach was ok,

which is what buhner warns you about. Like everything with lyme, symptoms vary

and to an extent i've felt a bit nauseous all along so it's not a particularly

different sensation.

Unfortunately as well as a smoker I'm a big coffee drinker,although have been

drinking nettle tea recently for vitamin c. I realise that at some point I'm

going to have to consider stopping smoking and looking at what I put in my body,

however last time I tried to give up smoking I could hardly walk due to the cold

turkey effect.

Please keep me posted on how you progress, where you are and how long you've

been ill ?not sure you told me before

Jaco

[ ] Re: how long does it take?

>Hi ,

Thought I'd write back because we are taking such a similar

combination [though I have just finished the doxy]. In terms of SB's

herbs, I'm on the same ones as you [having just started Samento

again], with the addition of Eleuthero. When I was on Doxy as well, I

took the herbs 3 times daily rather than 4, so stuck at 12 of

Andrographis and Knotweed, 9 Smilax and 6 Eleuthero, once I had

stopped Samento/ Cat's Claw because of the raised liver enzymes we

wrote about earlier.

You do seem to have got to a high dose fairly fast, which, given that

you're also on abx, may be causing the nausea. I get intermittently

the sort of pain I think you're talking about more in my

neck/shouder/left upper back, and also peripheral neuropathy [feelings

of chills and numbness] in both arms. My experience of being on abx

and herbs was a general intensifiction of symptoms that were already

familiar, particularly fatigue, weakness, aching, brain fog, also

'urgent' toilet habits [!]. I didn't get nausea as such, though I do

have stomach bloating and a feeling of raw soreness throughout the

G.I. tract. Interestingly, now that I have finished the abx and pushed

up the herbs nearly to maximum [Andrographis 2 to go and Samento not

back up to full], the intensification of symptoms is continuing.

Obviously, i am hoping this is all a good sign that stuff is being

killed off. I do, however, know just what you mean about herxing and

plain symptoms: only time will tell unfortunately.

If your nausea gets out of control, perhaps you should consider

reducing some of the herbs, checking the liver enzymes periodically

because of the Cat's claw ,or possibly adding Milk thistle, which is

not very pricey and wouldn't be taken in the same huge quantities.

Milder nausea may be helped, of course by drinking peppermint or

chamomile tea, which, living in France, I'm sure you already know.

Good luck,

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

>

> i have been on the diet for a few weeks. my bloating has gone down,

but not completely. how long does it take?!?! it gets so

frustrating. my joint pain feels better, though; which is a plus.

==>Hi there. Is your name Sara? That's wonderful your joint pain is

better! That means the program is doing you a lot of good. Well

done my friend! I believe joint pain is mostly caused by toxins, so

you must be doing a lot that is right.

The time it takes is different person to person. Bloating is caused

by gas, and the gas is carbon dioxide which is produced by candida.

It usually increases at different times throughout the program, which

is a good sign candida is being killed off. To help alleviate gas

drink raw ginger tea;

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/recipes/recipe178.php and do

whatever you can to help your body detoxify - see this article;

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/detox.php

Hang in there my friend. The gas and bloating will get better with

time and persistence on the program. There may still be ups and

downs but overall you are improving. Hang in there.

The best to you, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hang in there Mike I sometimes are about to throw the towel but

throw it where? to what was before? The recovery is tricky to say

the least. I have been at it a couple of months and, like you say

somethimes I felt worse but slowly I've been getting more and more

good days, I should say better than good and get too ethusiastyc and

the next day lousy! again. But just by having those good days gives

me patience.

>

> Hey all - and please excuse me if I'm asking something which has

> already been asked - but in general, how long does it take for a

> person to recover from Candidiasis?

>

> I suffered for five years with the light-headed, vertigo-like and

> migraine like symptoms and the regular MDs could do nothing for me.

> Finally I found a naturopath and she has me on a restrictive diet

as

> well as flora replacement/balance supplements. I've been on the

diet

> and treatment for about two months and while there are some days

when

> I feel a bit better, I seem to get relapses of a sort where I feel

as

> crappy as before.

>

> My Doc tells me that in my situation treatment/recovery might take

as

> much as six months to a year, but I'm wondering about gradual

recovery...

>

> After five years (plus) of being in a living Hell, I was wondering

> what recovery is like and what some of you good folk might have

> experienced in this regard.

>

> Maybe I'm just impatient here...

>

> Thanks in advance for any insight you might offer.

>

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

mike,

it seems like it takes forever. But there is light at

the end of the tunnel. My advice is to keep detoxing

through it all and it will help you.

I went through it pretty badly, but it does get better

and for me the yuckyness lasted about 6 months and

then it seemed to get lighter.

Keep your chin up and detox and honor your body.

=^.^=

Sue K

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[Guest guest]

Mike, this one of my questions too, I am on a strict diet since 4

weeks with all the rest of the supp. and most of the time I feel more

energetic and than lousy again, what are you taking and how much of

what

Edy

>

> Hey all - and please excuse me if I'm asking something which has

> already been asked - but in general, how long does it take for a

> person to recover from Candidiasis?

>

> I suffered for five years with the light-headed, vertigo-like and

> migraine like symptoms and the regular MDs could do nothing for me.

> Finally I found a naturopath and she has me on a restrictive diet as

> well as flora replacement/balance supplements. I've been on the

diet

> and treatment for about two months and while there are some days

when

> I feel a bit better, I seem to get relapses of a sort where I feel

as

> crappy as before.

>

> My Doc tells me that in my situation treatment/recovery might take

as

> much as six months to a year, but I'm wondering about gradual

recovery...

>

> After five years (plus) of being in a living Hell, I was wondering

> what recovery is like and what some of you good folk might have

> experienced in this regard.

>

> Maybe I'm just impatient here...

>

> Thanks in advance for any insight you might offer.

>

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

Edy and all.

Thanks for your kind answers to my questions.

I'm basically on week 9 of a strict no sugar/no glutens diet with a

lot of other restrictions like no caffeine and no beer (!!!).

Before I got sick I was basically your meat 'n' Potatoes , beef,

cheese and beer gut,. But no more. Its been a hard road.

My naturopath has me on pro-flora and a couple of other supplements

twice daily, etc.

I've been getting these four day periods of late where the

dizziness/light-headedness is about 90% gone (a true blessing

indeed)though the episodes of tinnitus are still there. Usually appear

only when I'm really tired. I have also had 'off' days where it seems

like I'm back in the same old nonsense all over again - but it has passed.

I guess I'm just worn down after five years of this " fun " and am a

little impatient for relief. I have faith that it will eventually heal

up and I hope sooner than later.

Thanks for the help and the good words.

Mike

> >

> > Hey all - and please excuse me if I'm asking something which has

> > already been asked - but in general, how long does it take for a

> > person to recover from Candidiasis?

> >

> > I suffered for five years with the light-headed, vertigo-like and

> > migraine like symptoms and the regular MDs could do nothing for me.

> > Finally I found a naturopath and she has me on a restrictive diet as

> > well as flora replacement/balance supplements. I've been on the

> diet

> > and treatment for about two months and while there are some days

> when

> > I feel a bit better, I seem to get relapses of a sort where I feel

> as

> > crappy as before.

> >

> > My Doc tells me that in my situation treatment/recovery might take

> as

> > much as six months to a year, but I'm wondering about gradual

> recovery...

> >

> > After five years (plus) of being in a living Hell, I was wondering

> > what recovery is like and what some of you good folk might have

> > experienced in this regard.

> >

> > Maybe I'm just impatient here...

> >

> > Thanks in advance for any insight you might offer.

> >

> > Mike

> >

>

[Guest guest]

hello all,

how long do i have to wait till the AP kicks in at 100mg M W F ? my right knee

is so swollen i can hardly walk on it in the morning. i don't want to take more

celebrex as i have a gastric ulcer which is killing me if i don't take nexium.

might see if i can get on hydrocortisone for a while instead - assuming it

doesn't make candida worse.

i guess i should have got on AP much sooner. should have done it years ago and

now worry my joints are too far gone to reverse the swelling. it would be good

to find something to help bring down the swelling in my knees... or does it go

down eventually when the AP kicks in ? it's hard to see a light at the end of

the tunnel right now.

does anyone think i should take more mino ?

thanks...

~Leonie

leoniecent@...

02 62556202

[Guest guest]

No Leonie,

I personally do not think you should take more mino at this point.

If you do hydrocortisone it will give you more yeast definitely. If you

decide to try it see if you can get CORTEF. It is a natural cortisone and

you do not need as much. Start out at about 15 mgms. Read my story .I took

Cortef.

Try ibuprophen or something OTC like Advil (don't know what you all call

it). Take it with food.

Try ice on your knee.

You just started Leonie.give it a chance :-))

Cooky

long does it take?

hello all,

how long do i have to wait till the AP kicks in at 100mg M W F ? my right

knee is so swollen i can hardly walk on it in the morning. i don't want to

take more celebrex as i have a gastric ulcer which is killing me if i don't

take nexium. might see if i can get on hydrocortisone for a while instead -

assuming it doesn't make candida worse.

i guess i should have got on AP much sooner. should have done it years ago

and now worry my joints are too far gone to reverse the swelling. it would

be good to find something to help bring down the swelling in my knees... or

does it go down eventually when the AP kicks in ? it's hard to see a light

at the end of the tunnel right now.

does anyone think i should take more mino ?

thanks...

~Leonie

___

[Guest guest]

Hi Harald,

Did you see the surgeon on Tuesday ? Is there any news ?

best,

leonie

[Guest guest]

Mike- please look into the symptoms of a perilymph fistula. that's what I

have.

While it's important to get your health on track, if you suspect a PLF there

are additional things you can do to assist your healing.

If you have any ?s pls let me know.. I understand the awful experiences of

vestibular related symptoms so I know what you're going thru.

Either way, I hope you're better and that things are behind u.

From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On

Behalf Of Mike Wolf

Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:05 AM

candidiasis

Subject: Re: How long does it take?

Edy and all.

Thanks for your kind answers to my questions.

I'm basically on week 9 of a strict no sugar/no glutens diet with a

lot of other restrictions like no caffeine and no beer (!!!).

Before I got sick I was basically your meat 'n' Potatoes , beef,

cheese and beer gut,. But no more. Its been a hard road.

My naturopath has me on pro-flora and a couple of other supplements

twice daily, etc.

I've been getting these four day periods of late where the

dizziness/light-headedness is about 90% gone (a true blessing

indeed)though the episodes of tinnitus are still there. Usually appear

only when I'm really tired. I have also had 'off' days where it seems

like I'm back in the same old nonsense all over again - but it has passed.

I guess I'm just worn down after five years of this " fun " and am a

little impatient for relief. I have faith that it will eventually heal

up and I hope sooner than later.

Thanks for the help and the good words.

Mike

> >

> > Hey all - and please excuse me if I'm asking something which has

> > already been asked - but in general, how long does it take for a

> > person to recover from Candidiasis?

> >

> > I suffered for five years with the light-headed, vertigo-like and

> > migraine like symptoms and the regular MDs could do nothing for me.

> > Finally I found a naturopath and she has me on a restrictive diet as

> > well as flora replacement/balance supplements. I've been on the

> diet

> > and treatment for about two months and while there are some days

> when

> > I feel a bit better, I seem to get relapses of a sort where I feel

> as

> > crappy as before.

> >

> > My Doc tells me that in my situation treatment/recovery might take

> as

> > much as six months to a year, but I'm wondering about gradual

> recovery...

> >

> > After five years (plus) of being in a living Hell, I was wondering

> > what recovery is like and what some of you good folk might have

> > experienced in this regard.

> >

> > Maybe I'm just impatient here...

> >

> > Thanks in advance for any insight you might offer.

> >

> > Mike

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

That's so great you've made it this far, you should be really proud of yourself.

Don't give up, try to hang in there. It'll be worth it in the end.

You mentioned you were on supplements, I just wanted to make a small

recommendation. In these types of situations, I always suggest for you to take a

high cellulase formula, at least 30K cellulase blend as well as 100k protease

blend in one capsule. Also, a high protease formula, at least 150K protease

blend along with 25k Serratiopeptidase and 400 of Nattokinase in each capsule.

I'm sure with everything you're taking this sounds like a lot, but these will

contribute to building your immune system as well as managing the yeast

overgrowth.

I would also recommend, if you're not already, taking a probiotic daily. This

will help balance the microflora. Remember, enzymes in general can just try to

help your situation, not contribute to worsening it.

Hopefully with everything you're doing it won't be a matter of 6 months and

you'll be feeling better in no time. I wish the best for you! Maybe this will

help even a little.

Talyna

Enzymedica Education Dept.

www.enzymedica.com

www.AGRT.org

>

> Hey all - and please excuse me if I'm asking something which has

> already been asked - but in general, how long does it take for a

> person to recover from Candidiasis?

>

> I suffered for five years with the light-headed, vertigo-like and

> migraine like symptoms and the regular MDs could do nothing for me.

> Finally I found a naturopath and she has me on a restrictive diet as

> well as flora replacement/balance supplements. I've been on the diet

> and treatment for about two months and while there are some days when

> I feel a bit better, I seem to get relapses of a sort where I feel as

> crappy as before.

>

> My Doc tells me that in my situation treatment/recovery might take as

> much as six months to a year, but I'm wondering about gradual recovery...

>

> After five years (plus) of being in a living Hell, I was wondering

> what recovery is like and what some of you good folk might have

> experienced in this regard.

>

> Maybe I'm just impatient here...

>

> Thanks in advance for any insight you might offer.

>

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

It has been 11 months for me since discovering I had it and I am making good

progress lately. Strong probiotics made the biggest difference but lots of

things help. NAC has helped. Other things hurt (could not handle colostrum or

Seacure). I don't know how long it takes to get rid of it for good.

Vicky

>

> Hi Mike,

> That's so great you've made it this far, you should be really proud of

yourself. Don't give up, try to hang in there. It'll be worth it in the end.

> You mentioned you were on supplements, I just wanted to make a