Re: getting worse not better

April 12, 2010

" if serum iron, transferrin saturation, and

ferritin are high and you have low total iron binding capacity this is

mostlikely hemochromatosis which is heavy metal toxicity. "

Sorry to hijack this post, but I was reading your statement and I suspected this

may be the case with my iron panel. So I looked them up from 2007 and it looks

like I may have heavy metal toxicity like you mentioned. Could you take a look

at my iron panel and tell me if you agree?

Iron Bind. Cap. (TIBC) 243 range 250 - 450

UIBC 144 range 150 - 375

Iron, Serum 99 range 35 - 155

Iron Saturation 41 range 15 - 55

Ferritin, Serum 208 range 10 - 291

Or does anyone know what this means?

Thanks!

>

> Interesting. Sounds like your kidneys are burdened. Val suggestion about a

full iron panel is a good idea b/c if serum iron, transferrin saturation, and

ferritin are high and you have low total iron binding capacity this is

mostlikely hemochromatosis which is heavy metal toxicity. With iron you might

also have bronze look to your skin or some can look jaundice b/c of stress on

liver.

>

> However if this isn't the case there are many troubling heavy metals out

there. Especially if you had lots of metal fillings. God knows there's various

ways to be exposed. In fact it can even be passed from parent to child.

>

> B12 will also help protect your nervous system and should help w/ tingling. As

you might already know b12 def can also

> cause a some of your symptoms.

>

April 12, 2010

" if serum iron, transferrin saturation, and

ferritin are high and you have low total iron binding capacity this is

mostlikely hemochromatosis which is heavy metal toxicity. "

Sorry to hijack this post, but I was reading your statement and I suspected this

may be the case with my iron panel. So I looked them up from 2007 and it looks

like I may have heavy metal toxicity like you mentioned. Could you take a look

at my iron panel and tell me if you agree?

Iron Bind. Cap. (TIBC) 243 range 250 - 450

UIBC 144 range 150 - 375

Iron, Serum 99 range 35 - 155

Iron Saturation 41 range 15 - 55

Ferritin, Serum 208 range 10 - 291

Or does anyone know what this means?

Thanks!

>

> Interesting. Sounds like your kidneys are burdened. Val suggestion about a

full iron panel is a good idea b/c if serum iron, transferrin saturation, and

ferritin are high and you have low total iron binding capacity this is

mostlikely hemochromatosis which is heavy metal toxicity. With iron you might

also have bronze look to your skin or some can look jaundice b/c of stress on

liver.

>

> However if this isn't the case there are many troubling heavy metals out

there. Especially if you had lots of metal fillings. God knows there's various

ways to be exposed. In fact it can even be passed from parent to child.

>

> B12 will also help protect your nervous system and should help w/ tingling. As

you might already know b12 def can also

> cause a some of your symptoms.

>

April 12, 2010

" if serum iron, transferrin saturation, and

ferritin are high and you have low total iron binding capacity this is

mostlikely hemochromatosis which is heavy metal toxicity. "

Sorry to hijack this post, but I was reading your statement and I suspected this

may be the case with my iron panel. So I looked them up from 2007 and it looks

like I may have heavy metal toxicity like you mentioned. Could you take a look

at my iron panel and tell me if you agree?

Iron Bind. Cap. (TIBC) 243 range 250 - 450

UIBC 144 range 150 - 375

Iron, Serum 99 range 35 - 155

Iron Saturation 41 range 15 - 55

Ferritin, Serum 208 range 10 - 291

Or does anyone know what this means?

Thanks!

>

> Interesting. Sounds like your kidneys are burdened. Val suggestion about a

full iron panel is a good idea b/c if serum iron, transferrin saturation, and

ferritin are high and you have low total iron binding capacity this is

mostlikely hemochromatosis which is heavy metal toxicity. With iron you might

also have bronze look to your skin or some can look jaundice b/c of stress on

liver.

>

> However if this isn't the case there are many troubling heavy metals out

there. Especially if you had lots of metal fillings. God knows there's various

ways to be exposed. In fact it can even be passed from parent to child.

>

> B12 will also help protect your nervous system and should help w/ tingling. As

you might already know b12 def can also

> cause a some of your symptoms.

>

April 13, 2010

At the risk of being a pain, I have to ask if you checked your aldosterone?

Especially with low sodium labs? Salt didn't touch my high heart rate, but

treating low aldosterone did. I got high cortisol symptoms from being on too

much HC, including the weight gain, because I needed aldosterone instead of so

much HC. Salt alone only made me swell. I also needed Slow K.

Irene

>

> I'm totally at a loss as what to do anymore. I have tried everything and

nothing helps. Since being on T3 only for over a year I'm still having high

heart rate plus a bunch of other issues I didn't have before. I can't take T4

only, or Armour so what's left to take besides T3? I thought I was doing

everything right. Today my heart rate is at 116 sitting and I can't bring it

down for the life of me. Salt has not helped, HC has not helped, it fact I

think it made it worse, I've tried taking magnesium. So what do I do? I'm

getting very depressed and on top of this I keep gaining weight. 14 pounds in

three months. This has been going on for the entire year. When I cut back on

T3 from 75 to 70 mcg I become totally unable to function like I can't get out of

bed. Right now I have foggy thinking and no strength in any of my arms or legs.

>

> I'm so sick people asking if I had labs done. I know they mean well but I

take them every so many months and they are always the same. I have taken

ferritin but I'll take it once again to show how it's not low.

> I've taken that panel to show sodium ( can't think of it now ) it was a tab

low and so I do add salt to my diet and in water ( celtic salt ).

> Ft3

> Ft4

> I've take Cortisol saliva five times and each time it shows not low but low on

the normal side durning the day and morning is very high. So, I started taking

Melatonin at night and got a great sleep but woke up like I had a hang over so

stopped taking it and felt 100 % better when I don't take it.

> I watch what I eat. little sugar, low carbs lots of good fats and proteins.

> I think I'm doing everything right but yet I can't take T3. What's left for

me to do? More tests to show what? What am I missing. I can't keep feeling

this bad all the time.

> I hope someone can help because I'm getting tired of writing these messages

and tried of not being able to figure this out. All I hear is low ferritin and

salt all the time. What am I missing here? What is I don't have low ferritin?

What about other things that I need to be looking for?

>

April 13, 2010

I agree 3mg melatonin may be too much for many people which si why I

always say 1-3 mg. But that reduces CORTISOL, so I think maybe you are

on too much HC at this point. I have seen in myself and in several

others that oce the RT3 clears, our needs for HC drop dramatically,. I

also gfelt ILL butthen soon realized it was high cortils symptoms I was

experiencing and thta was when I was abloe to wean off HC very quickly.

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April 13, 2010

I am no expert but some of your values like serum iron do not seem that high.

Also you would have to look at other lab values like liver enzymes. I think it's

a relatively inexpensive test if you wanted to just see. I would also look at if

it runs in your family since it's inherited.

However b12 deficiency can also cause this pattern. Before I knew I had b12 def

my blood iron was 244 and my ferritin was much higher than it is now and when I

got injections my numbers came down. If you do get tested for b12 I recommend

spectracell test because the blood test can give you false positives and

spectracell measures inside the cell. Also your MCV would be on the high end in

your CBC indicating the cell is enlarged- a classic sign of folate/b12/even b6

def.

April 13, 2010

From what i understand i agree I don't think these values are high enough to

match the pattern for hemochromatosis. Personally I would lean more toward b 12

def if mcv is high.

" if serum iron, transferrin saturation, and

ferritin are high and you have low total iron binding capacity this is

mostlikely hemochromatosis which is heavy metal toxicity. "

Maybe this is not true but it is all over the hemochromatosis websites, iron

disorders.org, and a book I have written by an ND.

I was just passing this info on to the original poster that had many signs and

symptoms of heavy metal toxicity but did not do a full iron panel yet and not

the poster below. These values below are from a different poster who just jumped

in to ask questions about her own labs.

>

> " if serum iron, transferrin saturation, and

> ferritin are high and you have low total iron binding capacity this is

> mostlikely hemochromatosis which is heavy metal toxicity. "

>

> Sorry but I do nto believe this si true. If serum iron is high(in range) your

IBC (both TIBC and UIBC) SHOULD be low in range. It means you do nto need mroe

iron, as your serum levels are good and your CAPACITY to bind MORE iron is low

as it shoudl be when serum levels are good.

>

> Iron Bind. Cap. (TIBC) 243 range 250 - 450

> UIBC 144 range 150 - 375

> Iron, Serum 99 range 35 - 155 KEY! Thsi os NOT high it is

perfect

> Iron Saturation 41 range 15 - 55 KEY! It si not high it is perfect

> Ferritin, Serum 208 range 10 - 291 KEY! This indicated inflammation

>

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>

April 13, 2010

I do not take HC at all. I tried it only yesterday. Each time I've tried to take HC I get very ill and have awful reactions. I ordered all of the tests to take and so hopefully I'll be able to see more of what's going on. Last night I tried 1/4 mg of melatonin and it did nothing for me, but 1/2 mg relaxes me enough to sleep. I was up all night last night. Is it safe to take melatonin on a regular basis? I've heard conflicting stories about taking it with a auto immune disease.

I agree 3mg melatonin may be too much for many people which si why I

always say 1-3 mg. But that reduces CORTISOL, so I think maybe you are

on too much HC at this point. I have seen in myself and in several

others that oce the RT3 clears, our needs for HC drop dramatically,. I

also gfelt ILL butthen soon realized it was high cortils symptoms I was

experiencing and thta was when I was abloe to wean off HC very quickly.

--

http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/