Re: Is this dose okay

[Guest guest]

How long have you been on T3 only? I have been on 125mcg for abotu a

year now as it is perfect dose for me.

--

http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

[Guest guest]

>So, I guess my question is, should I be afraid of this dose? It seems high to

me, but my temps will not go up.

Try it and see, a small T3 overdose wears off in a couple of hours,

nothing to be afraid of.

I have been up on 150 all winter and am starting to reduce again as

the weather warms up and there is more daylight around.

Some of us have resistance other than that caused by RT3 which is why

when taking enough natural to feel well the amount of T4 around caused

excess RT3 and this made resistance worse. I suspect that anyone

needing more than 100 or so of . T3 to be stable and " non-hypo " will

find themselves better off on long term T3. This is a personal opinion

and I have no studies to back it up.

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Nick and Val.

I have been on T3 only for a year now. It helps to be able to ask

someone a question since there is no one locally who knows a thing.

I guess I will monitor BP/temps and see how it goes.

Nick, your theory is interesting... " Some of us have resistance other than that

caused by RT3 which is why when taking enough natural to feel well the amount

of T4 around caused > excess RT3 and this made resistance worse. "

I never got high enough on Armour before switching to know, though, but from the

fact that my thick skin (myxedema) will not go away, I must have some type of

resistance. I wonder if it takes a high amount to get rid of it?

Thanks, Deb in MI

I am a little nervous bumping my dose of cynomel up by 6.25 to 125 mcg. My

daily temp averages will not budge above 97.9 or 98.0 despite having been on 118

mcg cynomel for several weeks. The averages do not vary much from day to day. My

basals run 97.5 or 97.6.

My last FT3 was 6.2 on 100 mcg back in January. I have been fairly stable on HC

of 32.5. My BP this AM was 124/61 and pulse was 85 and that is what it has

generally been running, so I don't think I am overdosed.

So, I guess my question is, should I be afraid of this dose? It seems high to

me, but my temps will not go up.

>

> Try it and see, a small T3 overdose wears off in a couple of hours,

> nothing to be afraid of.

>

> I have been up on 150 all winter and am starting to reduce again as

> the weather warms up and there is more daylight around.

>

> Some of us have resistance other than that caused by RT3 which is why when

taking enough natural to feel well the amount of T4 around caused > excess RT3

and this made resistance worse. I suspect that anyone > needing more than 100 or

so of . T3 to be stable and " non-hypo " will> find themselves better off on long

term T3. This is a personal opinion > and I have no studies to back it up.

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Nick and Val.

I have been on T3 only for a year now. It helps to be able to ask

someone a question since there is no one locally who knows a thing.

I guess I will monitor BP/temps and see how it goes.

Nick, your theory is interesting... " Some of us have resistance other than that

caused by RT3 which is why when taking enough natural to feel well the amount

of T4 around caused > excess RT3 and this made resistance worse. "

I never got high enough on Armour before switching to know, though, but from the

fact that my thick skin (myxedema) will not go away, I must have some type of

resistance. I wonder if it takes a high amount to get rid of it?

Thanks, Deb in MI

I am a little nervous bumping my dose of cynomel up by 6.25 to 125 mcg. My

daily temp averages will not budge above 97.9 or 98.0 despite having been on 118

mcg cynomel for several weeks. The averages do not vary much from day to day. My

basals run 97.5 or 97.6.

My last FT3 was 6.2 on 100 mcg back in January. I have been fairly stable on HC

of 32.5. My BP this AM was 124/61 and pulse was 85 and that is what it has

generally been running, so I don't think I am overdosed.

So, I guess my question is, should I be afraid of this dose? It seems high to

me, but my temps will not go up.

>

> Try it and see, a small T3 overdose wears off in a couple of hours,

> nothing to be afraid of.

>

> I have been up on 150 all winter and am starting to reduce again as

> the weather warms up and there is more daylight around.

>

> Some of us have resistance other than that caused by RT3 which is why when

taking enough natural to feel well the amount of T4 around caused > excess RT3

and this made resistance worse. I suspect that anyone > needing more than 100 or

so of . T3 to be stable and " non-hypo " will> find themselves better off on long

term T3. This is a personal opinion > and I have no studies to back it up.

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb

I may be totally wrong in my thoughts here but I thought I would throw in my two cents. I have been on T3 only for a year now as well. I had some trouble back in December with having a FT3 range near 6.0 and my temps just would not get up. I kept feeling so Hypo, hair loss, dry skin, etc.etc. during this time and wondered why since my FT3 was so good. My T4 and my RT3 were also low....everything seemed perfect. B-12, ferritin, vit D was all good. So why was I feeling so bad. Well, come to find out I was taking too much T3. I was also in that range that you are in at present, 100-125mcg of T3. I was also noticing that whenever I took my HC that my temps would fall as well. So, I slowly slowly weaned off of my HC. I have also lowered my T3 to between 81.25 -87.5 and my temps are very steady now. I don't know about your

history so I'm just not sure if this might be something you might try but I just thought I would give you my scenario in the possibility that you have come to that point in your treatment as well. Just something more to ponder, sorry. Once I came off of the HC I waited a good two weeks, if not more, and re-tested my adrenals and they did show that they were healing. Oh, I also had the thickened skin and it is slowly, slowly getting better.

Subject: Re: Is this dose okayTo: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 10:39 AM

Thanks, Nick and Val. I have been on T3 only for a year now. It helps to be able to asksomeone a question since there is no one locally who knows a thing.I guess I will monitor BP/temps and see how it goes.Nick, your theory is interesting. .."Some of us have resistance other than that caused by RT3 which is why when taking enough natural to feel well the amount of T4 around caused > excess RT3 and this made resistance worse."I never got high enough on Armour before switching to know, though, but from the fact that my thick skin (myxedema) will not go away, I must have some type of resistance. I wonder if it takes a high amount to get rid of it?Thanks, Deb in MII am a little nervous bumping my dose of cynomel up by 6.25 to 125 mcg. My daily temp averages will not budge above 97.9 or 98.0 despite having been on 118 mcg cynomel for several weeks. The averages do not vary much from day to day. My

basals run 97.5 or 97.6.My last FT3 was 6.2 on 100 mcg back in January. I have been fairly stable on HC of 32.5. My BP this AM was 124/61 and pulse was 85 and that is what it has generally been running, so I don't think I am overdosed.So, I guess my question is, should I be afraid of this dose? It seems high to me, but my temps will not go up.>> Try it and see, a small T3 overdose wears off in a couple of hours,> nothing to be afraid of.> > I have been up on 150 all winter and am starting to reduce again as> the weather warms up and there is more daylight around.> > Some of us have resistance other than that caused by RT3 which is why when taking enough natural to feel well the amount of T4 around

caused > excess RT3 and this made resistance worse. I suspect that anyone > needing more than 100 or so of . T3 to be stable and "non-hypo" will> find themselves better off on long term T3. This is a personal opinion > and I have no studies to back it up.> > Nick>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb

I may be totally wrong in my thoughts here but I thought I would throw in my two cents. I have been on T3 only for a year now as well. I had some trouble back in December with having a FT3 range near 6.0 and my temps just would not get up. I kept feeling so Hypo, hair loss, dry skin, etc.etc. during this time and wondered why since my FT3 was so good. My T4 and my RT3 were also low....everything seemed perfect. B-12, ferritin, vit D was all good. So why was I feeling so bad. Well, come to find out I was taking too much T3. I was also in that range that you are in at present, 100-125mcg of T3. I was also noticing that whenever I took my HC that my temps would fall as well. So, I slowly slowly weaned off of my HC. I have also lowered my T3 to between 81.25 -87.5 and my temps are very steady now. I don't know about your

history so I'm just not sure if this might be something you might try but I just thought I would give you my scenario in the possibility that you have come to that point in your treatment as well. Just something more to ponder, sorry. Once I came off of the HC I waited a good two weeks, if not more, and re-tested my adrenals and they did show that they were healing. Oh, I also had the thickened skin and it is slowly, slowly getting better.

Subject: Re: Is this dose okayTo: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 10:39 AM

Thanks, Nick and Val. I have been on T3 only for a year now. It helps to be able to asksomeone a question since there is no one locally who knows a thing.I guess I will monitor BP/temps and see how it goes.Nick, your theory is interesting. .."Some of us have resistance other than that caused by RT3 which is why when taking enough natural to feel well the amount of T4 around caused > excess RT3 and this made resistance worse."I never got high enough on Armour before switching to know, though, but from the fact that my thick skin (myxedema) will not go away, I must have some type of resistance. I wonder if it takes a high amount to get rid of it?Thanks, Deb in MII am a little nervous bumping my dose of cynomel up by 6.25 to 125 mcg. My daily temp averages will not budge above 97.9 or 98.0 despite having been on 118 mcg cynomel for several weeks. The averages do not vary much from day to day. My

basals run 97.5 or 97.6.My last FT3 was 6.2 on 100 mcg back in January. I have been fairly stable on HC of 32.5. My BP this AM was 124/61 and pulse was 85 and that is what it has generally been running, so I don't think I am overdosed.So, I guess my question is, should I be afraid of this dose? It seems high to me, but my temps will not go up.>> Try it and see, a small T3 overdose wears off in a couple of hours,> nothing to be afraid of.> > I have been up on 150 all winter and am starting to reduce again as> the weather warms up and there is more daylight around.> > Some of us have resistance other than that caused by RT3 which is why when taking enough natural to feel well the amount of T4 around

caused > excess RT3 and this made resistance worse. I suspect that anyone > needing more than 100 or so of . T3 to be stable and "non-hypo" will> find themselves better off on long term T3. This is a personal opinion > and I have no studies to back it up.> > Nick>

[Guest guest]

,

Was your heart rate up during this time and your temperatures up? I'm wondering

the same thing as I felt better on 2 grains dessicated and only 45mcg of T3, but

now on 2 grains and 120mcg of T3 I feel worse. I am wondering if I need to back

down as well. Did a doctor tell you about too much T3 or did you do this on your

own?

To anyone else-What are the symtoms of too much T3? Is it possible to get hypo

symptoms like is talking about?

> >

>

> > Try it and see, a small T3 overdose wears off in a couple of hours,

> > nothing to be afraid of.

> >

> > I have been up on 150 all winter and am starting to reduce again as

> > the weather warms up and there is more daylight around.

> >

> > Some of us have resistance other than that caused by RT3 which is why when

taking enough natural to feel well the amount of T4 around caused > excess RT3

and this made resistance worse. I suspect that anyone > needing more than 100 or

so of . T3 to be stable and " non-hypo " will> find themselves better off on long

term T3. This is a personal opinion > and I have no studies to back it up.

> >

> > Nick

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Was your heart rate up during this time and your temperatures up? I'm wondering

the same thing as I felt better on 2 grains dessicated and only 45mcg of T3, but

now on 2 grains and 120mcg of T3 I feel worse. I am wondering if I need to back

down as well. Did a doctor tell you about too much T3 or did you do this on your

own?

To anyone else-What are the symtoms of too much T3? Is it possible to get hypo

symptoms like is talking about?

> >

>

> > Try it and see, a small T3 overdose wears off in a couple of hours,

> > nothing to be afraid of.

> >

> > I have been up on 150 all winter and am starting to reduce again as

> > the weather warms up and there is more daylight around.

> >

> > Some of us have resistance other than that caused by RT3 which is why when

taking enough natural to feel well the amount of T4 around caused > excess RT3

and this made resistance worse. I suspect that anyone > needing more than 100 or

so of . T3 to be stable and " non-hypo " will> find themselves better off on long

term T3. This is a personal opinion > and I have no studies to back it up.

> >

> > Nick

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Was your heart rate up during this time and your temperatures up? I'm wondering

the same thing as I felt better on 2 grains dessicated and only 45mcg of T3, but

now on 2 grains and 120mcg of T3 I feel worse. I am wondering if I need to back

down as well. Did a doctor tell you about too much T3 or did you do this on your

own?

To anyone else-What are the symtoms of too much T3? Is it possible to get hypo

symptoms like is talking about?

> >

>

> > Try it and see, a small T3 overdose wears off in a couple of hours,

> > nothing to be afraid of.

> >

> > I have been up on 150 all winter and am starting to reduce again as

> > the weather warms up and there is more daylight around.

> >

> > Some of us have resistance other than that caused by RT3 which is why when

taking enough natural to feel well the amount of T4 around caused > excess RT3

and this made resistance worse. I suspect that anyone > needing more than 100 or

so of . T3 to be stable and " non-hypo " will> find themselves better off on long

term T3. This is a personal opinion > and I have no studies to back it up.

> >

> > Nick

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, my temps are heart rate would elevate at times....not always...weird. I would get up in the morning and my basal would be decent and then as soon as I took my T3 my temps would go up, not to 98.6, but up. Then if I took my HC my temps would plumette and I would get very cold. Struggled with this for quite a while until I finally realized that the temp situation seemed to be linked to the HC. I also noticed that my afternoon temps would get very high, some days as high as 100. So I think that I had two separate things happening. My adrenals were healing with the T3 but I was taking too much T3. It sounds and was very confusing. All I know is that I am doing better now than ever. I did have Hypo symptoms with the high T3, and from what Val has said, this

can occur if your T3 is too low or too high. Hopefully she we confirm this for you. With you still taking T4 I'm not sure how this plays out. Again, Val may have more to say regarding this. Is your RT3 low? Is your ratio good?? Things to consider as well. Then the other factors being ferritin, B-12 and Vit D, at least for me. My FT3 got up to 7.0 on 112mcg, then I lowered my T3 too much and my FT3 was 5.5 taking 75mcg. The last FT3 I had was 6.2 and that was taking 100mcg Cytomel. I have now lowered to 81.25-87.5. It has been tricky for me finding that sweet spot but I think I finally have.

,Was your heart rate up during this time and your temperatures up? I'm wondering the same thing as I felt better on 2 grains dessicated and only 45mcg of T3, but now on 2 grains and 120mcg of T3 I feel worse. I am wondering if I need to back down as well. Did a doctor tell you about too much T3 or did you do this on your own?To anyone else-What are the symtoms of too much T3? Is it possible to get hypo symptoms like is talking about?> >> > > Try it and see, a small T3 overdose wears off in a couple of hours,> > nothing to be afraid of.> > > > I have been up on 150 all winter and am starting to reduce again as> > the weather warms up and there is more daylight around.> > > > Some of us have resistance other than that caused by RT3 which is why when taking enough natural to feel well the amount of T4 around caused > excess RT3 and this made resistance worse. I suspect that anyone > needing more than 100 or so of . T3 to be stable

and "non-hypo" will> find themselves better off on long term T3. This is a personal opinion > and I have no studies to back it up.> > > > Nick> >>

[Guest guest]

Yes, my temps are heart rate would elevate at times....not always...weird. I would get up in the morning and my basal would be decent and then as soon as I took my T3 my temps would go up, not to 98.6, but up. Then if I took my HC my temps would plumette and I would get very cold. Struggled with this for quite a while until I finally realized that the temp situation seemed to be linked to the HC. I also noticed that my afternoon temps would get very high, some days as high as 100. So I think that I had two separate things happening. My adrenals were healing with the T3 but I was taking too much T3. It sounds and was very confusing. All I know is that I am doing better now than ever. I did have Hypo symptoms with the high T3, and from what Val has said, this

can occur if your T3 is too low or too high. Hopefully she we confirm this for you. With you still taking T4 I'm not sure how this plays out. Again, Val may have more to say regarding this. Is your RT3 low? Is your ratio good?? Things to consider as well. Then the other factors being ferritin, B-12 and Vit D, at least for me. My FT3 got up to 7.0 on 112mcg, then I lowered my T3 too much and my FT3 was 5.5 taking 75mcg. The last FT3 I had was 6.2 and that was taking 100mcg Cytomel. I have now lowered to 81.25-87.5. It has been tricky for me finding that sweet spot but I think I finally have.

,Was your heart rate up during this time and your temperatures up? I'm wondering the same thing as I felt better on 2 grains dessicated and only 45mcg of T3, but now on 2 grains and 120mcg of T3 I feel worse. I am wondering if I need to back down as well. Did a doctor tell you about too much T3 or did you do this on your own?To anyone else-What are the symtoms of too much T3? Is it possible to get hypo symptoms like is talking about?> >> > > Try it and see, a small T3 overdose wears off in a couple of hours,> > nothing to be afraid of.> > > > I have been up on 150 all winter and am starting to reduce again as> > the weather warms up and there is more daylight around.> > > > Some of us have resistance other than that caused by RT3 which is why when taking enough natural to feel well the amount of T4 around caused > excess RT3 and this made resistance worse. I suspect that anyone > needing more than 100 or so of . T3 to be stable

and "non-hypo" will> find themselves better off on long term T3. This is a personal opinion > and I have no studies to back it up.> > > > Nick> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb &

I have been on T3 only since early Sept'08.

I take 100mcg in Winter & 80mcg in Summer.

I am on Tertroxin which I'm told is a bit weaker than Cytomel & Cynomel.

It took a year before I noticed the Myxedema was reducing too.

In fact it was my remedial masseuesse who remarked on it.

She has commented each month I (I see her monthly) that it is a little better

each time.

It also took a year before I started to get improvements in energy.

Seems each month gets a bit of improvement. Having lost ~17 kilos is not too

shabby either.

Lethal Lee

I also had the thickened skin and it is slowly, slowly getting better.

>

from the fact that my thick skin (myxedema) will not go away, I must have some

type of resistance. I wonder if it takes a high amount to get rid of it?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb &

I have been on T3 only since early Sept'08.

I take 100mcg in Winter & 80mcg in Summer.

I am on Tertroxin which I'm told is a bit weaker than Cytomel & Cynomel.

It took a year before I noticed the Myxedema was reducing too.

In fact it was my remedial masseuesse who remarked on it.

She has commented each month I (I see her monthly) that it is a little better

each time.

It also took a year before I started to get improvements in energy.

Seems each month gets a bit of improvement. Having lost ~17 kilos is not too

shabby either.

Lethal Lee

I also had the thickened skin and it is slowly, slowly getting better.

>

from the fact that my thick skin (myxedema) will not go away, I must have some

type of resistance. I wonder if it takes a high amount to get rid of it?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb &

I have been on T3 only since early Sept'08.

I take 100mcg in Winter & 80mcg in Summer.

I am on Tertroxin which I'm told is a bit weaker than Cytomel & Cynomel.

It took a year before I noticed the Myxedema was reducing too.

In fact it was my remedial masseuesse who remarked on it.

She has commented each month I (I see her monthly) that it is a little better

each time.

It also took a year before I started to get improvements in energy.

Seems each month gets a bit of improvement. Having lost ~17 kilos is not too

shabby either.

Lethal Lee

I also had the thickened skin and it is slowly, slowly getting better.

>

from the fact that my thick skin (myxedema) will not go away, I must have some

type of resistance. I wonder if it takes a high amount to get rid of it?

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the responses. I will be very glad to be rid of this

myxedema in the future, as I have it all over.

Going up on the T3 seems to be stressing my adrenals as my temps have dropped

even further today and my pulse has jumped up to the 100's, so I will try

's suggestion and cut back. I think my adrenals are finally starting to

heal as I have been able to cut back by 5 mg. in the last couple of weeks.

Lethal Lee, did it take a year after you started T3 or a year after you were

optimized for the myxedema to dissipate?

Thanks again, Deb in MI

> I also had the thickened skin and it is slowly, slowly getting better.

>

> > From: Deb in MI <foundfaithful@>

> from the fact that my thick skin (myxedema) will not go away, I must have some

type of resistance. I wonder if it takes a high amount to get rid of it?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lee! Your comments are very helpful. As I said before I have noticed the skin changes, and the fact that you have lost the weight is very encouraging as well. I have not lost any weight to date but then I have not been at my prime dose for very long. My energy has steadily increased as well. I can't wait to see what continues to happen as the month's progress.

Hi Deb & I have been on T3 only since early Sept'08.I take 100mcg in Winter & 80mcg in Summer.I am on Tertroxin which I'm told is a bit weaker than Cytomel & Cynomel.It took a year before I noticed the Myxedema was reducing too.In fact it was my remedial masseuesse who remarked on it.She has commented each month I (I see her monthly) that it is a little better each time.It also took a year before I started to get improvements in energy.Seems each month gets a bit of improvement. Having lost ~17 kilos is not too shabby either.Lethal LeeI also had the thickened skin and it is slowly, slowly getting better. > From: Deb in MI

<foundfaithful@ ...>from the fact that my thick skin (myxedema) will not go away, I must have some type of resistance. I wonder if it takes a high amount to get rid of it?>

[Guest guest]

>I never got high enough on Armour before switching to know, though, but from

the fact that my thick skin (myxedema) will not go away, I must have some type

of resistance. I wonder if it takes a high amount to get rid of it?

I'm not convinced that thick skin is related to resistance.

" More T3 = better clearance " . is a fallacy,

Provided you take enough T3 to suppress T4 production then RT3 will

lower, it has no choice. The effect of taking more can be to clear

hypo symptoms while waiting for clearance.

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb,

>>>>did it take a year after you started T3 or a year after you were optimized

for the myxedema to dissipate?<<<

A year AFTER I was optimised.

Took 4 months to clear the Rt3 & I got up to 150mcg during my protocol.

My masseusse had remarked on changes when I started Adrenal meds as well. I

hadn't told her I was on them either. The change then was marked reduction in

muscle stiffness. She used to say massaging me was like massaging a brick

wall!!! What I noticed was that the period of time before muscle symptoms would

return got longer & longer. Before Adrenal meds often muscles worked on at

beginning of session were already stiff & in spasm by the end of that session!

She also noticed changes after I started Ancient Minerals Magnesium Oil. She is

on the product herself now and has her parents on it too. Also uses it on her

clients & sells it to them (for what it costs her).

Regarding the Myxedema it is not GONE. But it is definitely breaking up &

gradually reducing. I think supporting Liver is very important to help this

process as all those bound toxins have to processed & excreted.

Lethal Lee

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb,

>>>>did it take a year after you started T3 or a year after you were optimized

for the myxedema to dissipate?<<<

A year AFTER I was optimised.

Took 4 months to clear the Rt3 & I got up to 150mcg during my protocol.

My masseusse had remarked on changes when I started Adrenal meds as well. I

hadn't told her I was on them either. The change then was marked reduction in

muscle stiffness. She used to say massaging me was like massaging a brick

wall!!! What I noticed was that the period of time before muscle symptoms would

return got longer & longer. Before Adrenal meds often muscles worked on at

beginning of session were already stiff & in spasm by the end of that session!

She also noticed changes after I started Ancient Minerals Magnesium Oil. She is

on the product herself now and has her parents on it too. Also uses it on her

clients & sells it to them (for what it costs her).

Regarding the Myxedema it is not GONE. But it is definitely breaking up &

gradually reducing. I think supporting Liver is very important to help this

process as all those bound toxins have to processed & excreted.

Lethal Lee

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb,

>>>>did it take a year after you started T3 or a year after you were optimized

for the myxedema to dissipate?<<<

A year AFTER I was optimised.

Took 4 months to clear the Rt3 & I got up to 150mcg during my protocol.

My masseusse had remarked on changes when I started Adrenal meds as well. I

hadn't told her I was on them either. The change then was marked reduction in

muscle stiffness. She used to say massaging me was like massaging a brick

wall!!! What I noticed was that the period of time before muscle symptoms would

return got longer & longer. Before Adrenal meds often muscles worked on at

beginning of session were already stiff & in spasm by the end of that session!

She also noticed changes after I started Ancient Minerals Magnesium Oil. She is

on the product herself now and has her parents on it too. Also uses it on her

clients & sells it to them (for what it costs her).

Regarding the Myxedema it is not GONE. But it is definitely breaking up &

gradually reducing. I think supporting Liver is very important to help this

process as all those bound toxins have to processed & excreted.

Lethal Lee

[Guest guest]

Lethal Lee,

May I ask another question? How do you " support your liver " ?

That is really something about the adrenal meds allowing your

T3 to get to your muscles and changing things like it did!

Were you using HC or glandulars?

Thanks for all your help! Deb in MI

>

> My masseusse had remarked on changes when I started Adrenal meds as well. I

hadn't told her I was on them either. The change then was marked reduction in

muscle stiffness. She used to say massaging me was like massaging a brick

wall!!! What I noticed was that the period of time before muscle symptoms would

return got longer & longer. Before Adrenal meds often muscles worked on at

beginning of session were already stiff & in spasm by the end of that session!

>

> She also noticed changes after I started Ancient Minerals Magnesium Oil. She

is on the product herself now and has her parents on it too. Also uses it on her

clients & sells it to them (for what it costs her).

>

> Regarding the Myxedema it is not GONE. But it is definitely breaking up &

gradually reducing. I think supporting Liver is very important to help this

process as all those bound toxins have to processed & excreted.

>

> Lethal Lee

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb.

>>>How do you " support your liver " ?<<<

Lots of things are important to help Liver function.

Some help directly some help indirectly.

These include antioxidants, B Vits, certain herbals.

1/ Antioxidants

Fat solubles ADEK (all better taken in oil gelcaps & Soy free active forms), ALA

(a powerfull anti-oxidant PLUS Liver support/detox)

better taken smaller doses several times a day

-Vit K 1 oil gelcap daily

1000mcg K1 + 100mcg K2(MK-7) + 1,000mcg K2(MK-4)

Super K with Advanced K2 Complex (LEF)

1000mcg K1+ 100mcg K2(MK-7)+ 1000mcg K2(MK-4)

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=2383611782503574853 & at=0

-Vit A 1 gelcap daily

Vitamin A Retinol Palmitate (s Nutrition Aust) 10,000IU

http://www.thompsons.co.nz/afa.asp?idWebPage=8403 & ID=3 & SID=950225997 & Type=Produc\

ts

-Vit D3 4 x 1,000 IU oil gelcaps daily

Ostelin Vitamin D3 (Reckitt-Benckiser)

d-alpha Tocopheral 400 IU plus d-Gamma /d-Delta /d-beta/ blend 432mg

http://www.rb-msds.com.au/product/product_display.aspx?intProductID=76

-Vit E 1 x 400IU oil (Soy free) gelcap daily

Unique E (AC Grace Co) http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=8294 & at=0

-Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) - 3 x 100mg caps daily

Thiocid (Thorne Research)

http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Thiocid-60-Veggie-Caps/18704?at=0

2/ B Vits

VERY important to take some of ALL the B's & to take ACTIVE forms

I take a B Multi, B12(2 kinds), Folate (2 kinds) + extra B2

-B12 Alternate 1 sublingual tab daily of...

Methylcobalamin (Jarrow) 5000mcg

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=117

Dibenozide Sublingual (Country Life)3000mcg + 800mcg Folic Acid

http://www.iherb.com/Country-Life-Active-B-12-Dibencozide-3000-mcg-60-Lozenges/1\

637?at=0

-B9 (have single 677T MTHFR gene Mutation) 1 cap daily of....

5-MTHF 1000mcg (Thorne Research)

http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Folate-5-MTHF-60-Veggie-Caps/18447?at=0

Folacal 800mcg (Thorne Research)

http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Folacal-Folate-60-Veggie-Caps/18482?at=0

-B2- 1 x 36.5mg cap daily of

Riboflavin 5'-Phosphate (Thorne Research)

http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Riboflavin-5-Phosphate-60-Veggie-Caps/18434\

?at=0

-B Multi- 2 caps (1 in am & 1 pm)

http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Basic-B-Complex-60-Veggie-Caps/18791?at=0

3/ Liver Support

Garlic & Olive Leaf Extract are also antifungal, antiviral & antibacterial

-Milk Thistle 2 caps cap daily

Mega Silymarin (Life Extension)

Milk Thistle Extract (Silybum marianum)...900mg

Standardised to 80% Silymarin (720 mg), 30% Silibinin (270 mg),

& 4.5% Isosilybin B (40.5 mg)

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Extension-Silibinin-Plus-90-Veggie-Caps/7046?at=0

-Garlic 2 x oil gelcaps daily

Garlic 3000 (By Nature)

Allium Sativum equiv to fresh bulb ... 2.0g

Standardized to provide Allin .........5.4mg

Allium Sativum bulb powder ...........24.0mg

http://www.vitaminvalue.com.au/product_info.php/cPath/53/products_id/16

-Olive Leaf Extract 1 cap daily

Olimmune (Naturamedics)

Oleuropein ... 150mg,

Olive Leaf Extract equiv dry leaf..6.25g

http://www.naturamedics.com.au/?page_id=11

>>>Were you using HC or glandulars?<<<<

I was on Prednisolone 10mg for 2 years, last few months weaned down to 7.5mg.

Use Hysone (HC) for stress dosing). In addition I am on Florinef initially 1 1/2

to 2 tabs now do fine on 1 to 1 1/2 tabs.

I am also on

-Slow-K (rx Potasssium Chloride) initially up to 10x600mg now on 6x600mg

-Alkala N (alkaliser)is mainly Sodium Bicarb use 1 scoop in 1 litre, plus

unrefined Sea salt on food

-Sex Hormone HRT DHEA, Progesterone, Estradiol

-CoQ10, Chromium Picolinate, Fish Oil, Meltonin, Probiotics, Magnesium (small

amount orally + Ancient Minerals mag oil)

-Coconut Oil for all cooking & in smoothies, organic butter, lots of full fat

dairy

No Iron as I tend to load (have single Hemochromatosis Gene) need to do blood

donations from time to time.

Lethal Lee

[Guest guest]

More on the Liver

Here are a couple of good refs on Liver

http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/uvahealth/adult_liver/tests.cfm

http://pie.med.utoronto.ca/VLiver/VLiver_content/VLiver_interactiveLiver.html

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-125.shtml

Corticosteroids (eg. HC) are mentioned on page 2.

Note the protocols on page 3 include

CoQ10 (make sure it's active Ubiquinol form), Selenium (Garlic is high in

Selenium), Vit C (I avoid as it increases Iron absorption).

I should have mentioned that I had history of elevated Liver enzymes & had

imaging showing Adenoma or Hemangioma on my Liver. I also had a special MRI

called a Ferriscan to check on amount of Iron in my Liver (due to

Hemochromatosis). Fortunately it was normal.

I have to have repeat Liver U/S imaging & blood tests every 6 months. Several

times imaging showed Fatty Liver & abdominal ascites. Glad to say that ascites &

Fatty Liver are gone. Last scan in Nov'09 they couldn't find the Hemangioma at

all!

I also had my Gallbladder removed in March 2000 which is what caused an abrupt

change in my health & the start of what I know now was AI & a worsening of

Autoimmune Thyroid (I suspect I had it after each pregnancy).

Lethal Lee

>

> Hi Deb.

>

> >>>How do you " support your liver " ?<<<

> Lots of things are important to help Liver function.

> Some help directly some help indirectly.

> These include antioxidants, B Vits, certain herbals.

>

> 1/ Antioxidants

> Fat solubles ADEK (all better taken in oil gelcaps & Soy free active forms),

ALA (a powerfull anti-oxidant PLUS Liver support/detox)

> better taken smaller doses several times a day

>

> -Vit K 1 oil gelcap daily

> 1000mcg K1 + 100mcg K2(MK-7) + 1,000mcg K2(MK-4)

> Super K with Advanced K2 Complex (LEF)

> 1000mcg K1+ 100mcg K2(MK-7)+ 1000mcg K2(MK-4)

> http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=2383611782503574853 & at=0

>

> -Vit A 1 gelcap daily

> Vitamin A Retinol Palmitate (s Nutrition Aust) 10,000IU

>

http://www.thompsons.co.nz/afa.asp?idWebPage=8403 & ID=3 & SID=950225997 & Type=Produc\

ts

>

> -Vit D3 4 x 1,000 IU oil gelcaps daily

> Ostelin Vitamin D3 (Reckitt-Benckiser)

> d-alpha Tocopheral 400 IU plus d-Gamma /d-Delta /d-beta/ blend 432mg

> http://www.rb-msds.com.au/product/product_display.aspx?intProductID=76

>

> -Vit E 1 x 400IU oil (Soy free) gelcap daily

> Unique E (AC Grace Co) http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=8294 & at=0

>

> -Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) - 3 x 100mg caps daily

> Thiocid (Thorne Research)

> http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Thiocid-60-Veggie-Caps/18704?at=0

>

> 2/ B Vits

> VERY important to take some of ALL the B's & to take ACTIVE forms

> I take a B Multi, B12(2 kinds), Folate (2 kinds) + extra B2

>

> -B12 Alternate 1 sublingual tab daily of...

> Methylcobalamin (Jarrow) 5000mcg

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=117

> Dibenozide Sublingual (Country Life)3000mcg + 800mcg Folic Acid

>

http://www.iherb.com/Country-Life-Active-B-12-Dibencozide-3000-mcg-60-Lozenges/1\

637?at=0

>

> -B9 (have single 677T MTHFR gene Mutation) 1 cap daily of....

> 5-MTHF 1000mcg (Thorne Research)

> http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Folate-5-MTHF-60-Veggie-Caps/18447?at=0

> Folacal 800mcg (Thorne Research)

> http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Folacal-Folate-60-Veggie-Caps/18482?at=0

>

> -B2- 1 x 36.5mg cap daily of

> Riboflavin 5'-Phosphate (Thorne Research)

>

http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Riboflavin-5-Phosphate-60-Veggie-Caps/18434\

?at=0

>

> -B Multi- 2 caps (1 in am & 1 pm)

> http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Basic-B-Complex-60-Veggie-Caps/18791?at=0

>

> 3/ Liver Support

> Garlic & Olive Leaf Extract are also antifungal, antiviral & antibacterial

>

> -Milk Thistle 2 caps cap daily

> Mega Silymarin (Life Extension)

> Milk Thistle Extract (Silybum marianum)...900mg

> Standardised to 80% Silymarin (720 mg), 30% Silibinin (270 mg),

> & 4.5% Isosilybin B (40.5 mg)

>

> http://www.iherb.com/Life-Extension-Silibinin-Plus-90-Veggie-Caps/7046?at=0

>

> -Garlic 2 x oil gelcaps daily

> Garlic 3000 (By Nature)

> Allium Sativum equiv to fresh bulb ... 2.0g

> Standardized to provide Allin .........5.4mg

> Allium Sativum bulb powder ...........24.0mg

> http://www.vitaminvalue.com.au/product_info.php/cPath/53/products_id/16

>

> -Olive Leaf Extract 1 cap daily

> Olimmune (Naturamedics)

> Oleuropein ... 150mg,

> Olive Leaf Extract equiv dry leaf..6.25g

> http://www.naturamedics.com.au/?page_id=11

>

> >>>Were you using HC or glandulars?<<<<

> I was on Prednisolone 10mg for 2 years, last few months weaned down to 7.5mg.

Use Hysone (HC) for stress dosing). In addition I am on Florinef initially 1 1/2

to 2 tabs now do fine on 1 to 1 1/2 tabs.

>

> I am also on

> -Slow-K (rx Potasssium Chloride) initially up to 10x600mg now on 6x600mg

> -Alkala N (alkaliser)is mainly Sodium Bicarb use 1 scoop in 1 litre, plus

unrefined Sea salt on food

> -Sex Hormone HRT DHEA, Progesterone, Estradiol

> -CoQ10, Chromium Picolinate, Fish Oil, Meltonin, Probiotics, Magnesium (small

amount orally + Ancient Minerals mag oil)

> -Coconut Oil for all cooking & in smoothies, organic butter, lots of full fat

dairy

>

> No Iron as I tend to load (have single Hemochromatosis Gene) need to do blood

donations from time to time.

>

> Lethal Lee

>

[Guest guest]

Whike mentioning liver and what helps it, don;t forget T3! T3

regenerates liver cells! My cat almost died of Fatty Liver disease a

couple years agpo, he had been on natural thyroid but at a too low dose

I found out later. Whiel I was tube feelign him every 2 hours I switched

him ot liquid T3 at 150mcg a day and it and liquid silly marin literally

saved his life. The vet gave him a 10% chance of survival due to his age

(14) and the highest bilirubin he had ever seenin a " live " animal. While

I was going through this with him I did alot of ressearch and ther eare

tons of studies showing that T3 regenerates liver cells.

--

http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

[Guest guest]

Whike mentioning liver and what helps it, don;t forget T3! T3

regenerates liver cells! My cat almost died of Fatty Liver disease a

couple years agpo, he had been on natural thyroid but at a too low dose

I found out later. Whiel I was tube feelign him every 2 hours I switched

him ot liquid T3 at 150mcg a day and it and liquid silly marin literally

saved his life. The vet gave him a 10% chance of survival due to his age

(14) and the highest bilirubin he had ever seenin a " live " animal. While

I was going through this with him I did alot of ressearch and ther eare

tons of studies showing that T3 regenerates liver cells.

--

http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/