Re: wondering about my daughter

April 17, 2010

i have always checked her FT3 and FT4 and TSH and antibodies and done only a basal body temp on her when she was younger cause yes i could not do it during day..her temp was always low....i started to treat her myself with NT..i am just now testing the RT3 since she has some other hypo symptoms not completely resolved ..so if i could do it over i would have been testing RT3 all along....

but NT was easy to start her on after i determined myself she had an issue...i started treating her low ferritin and multiple vitamin deficiencies like b12 etc .....and got her on NT myself..then when i found a doctor to treat her i just sort of lied...when i filled out forms and they asked what meds she was on i put NT on there as if it had originally been prescribed by a doctor..and she never asked..i just told her we no longer had a doctor due to insurance changes and that was it....so then she prescribed the NT....and now we are tweaking things with T3 meds due to high RT3 still...

From: Finch Drake <finchstacyhotmail (DOT) com>Subject: wondering about my daughterTo: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 9:42 AM

Reading about taking T3 in pregnancy is making me wonder. Although I only figured out last year I need to take T3, I have probably been hypo my whole adult life. My temp has always been low, I have always had to eat very little to not be hugely obese. I have a 7 yo dd who is obese. Always has been. (She was 9 pounds at birth.) She is very tall, almost 5 feet, but she also weighs about 130 pounds and has to wear large women's clothes because she has such a large tummy. Since I have been taking off weight, she is now larger than I am. As my clothes get too big for me, she starts wearing them. A few years ago she had a thyroid panel done, but it did not show the rT3, of course. We also ruled out a genetic issue at the same time. I have been hesitant to have blood work done again because it was such a traumatic experience for her. She is so chubby, it was hard to find the veins under all of the fat. Her diet is awesome. We stick to a

mostly organic, whole food diet. We limit grains, although that is hard because it's what she craves. She eats very little, often skipping meals during the day because she is not hungry. Is it possible she needs T3? Can you medicate a 7 year old? If she's too young to medicate, I would probably wait to go through the trauma of blood work again.

What are your thoughts?

April 17, 2010

Well peopl edo not usually understand when I say this, but my pets are

my kids as I never could have any. And YES I self treat them. It took me

a LONG time to develop the ocnfidence to do this adn lots of studying

adn questioning vets, doctors and researchers. but that is how I

ahvelearned ot treat my OWN issues adn it has served me well,. Now I

have one cat at 15 thta 3 years ago the vvets gave a 10% chance of

survival, but T3 literally saved his life an he is healthy and happy

todya on just T3. Ijust started my 17 year old on T3. These ARE my kids.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

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April 17, 2010

well i think that what is called adhd might actually be that brain fog that those of us with low thyroid are familiar with....that bad memory foggy brain thing..and in kids it gets labeled as adhd..and my girls had anxiety as well...

Subject: Re: wondering about my daughterTo: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 12:08 PM

Well, attention deficit is linked to low dopamine in the brain, which is why the drugs are so closely related to cocaine -- which also raises dopamine in the brain.BUT I don't know if low t3 causes low dopamine! It would certainly be something very interesting to research to find out! I know t3 affects our serotonin levels (and maybe vice versa), and there are studies on that one at least since psych docs have known for a long time to use t3 when their drugs aren't doing the job by themselves. Too bad they don't just try the t3 first!That said, I do think there are cases when even t3 is not enough if your brain doesn't properly make neurotransmatters. > > > > > > From: Finch Drake <finchstacy@ >> > Subject: wondering about my daughter> > To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com> > Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 9:42 AM> > > > > > Ã‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > Reading about taking T3 in pregnancy is making me wonder. Although I only figured out last year I need to take T3, I have probably been hypo my whole adult life. My temp has always been low, I have always had to eat very little to not be hugely obese. I have a 7 yo dd who is obese. Always has been. (She was 9 pounds at birth.) She is very tall, almost 5 feet, but she also weighs about 130 pounds and has to wear large women's clothes because she has such a large tummy. Since I have been taking off weight, she is now larger than I am. As my clothes get too big for me, she starts wearing them. A few

years ago she had a thyroid panel done, but it did not show the rT3, of course. We also ruled out a genetic issue at the same time. I have been hesitant to have blood work done again because it was such a traumatic experience for her. She is so chubby, it was hard to find the veins under all of the fat. Her diet is awesome. We stick to a mostly organic, whole> > food diet. We limit grains, although that is hard because it's what she craves. She eats very little, often skipping meals during the day because she is not hungry. Is it possible she needs T3? Can you medicate a 7 year old? If she's too young to medicate, I would probably wait to go through the trauma of blood work again.> > Ã‚ > > What are your thoughts?> > Ã‚ > > > > Ã‚ > > Ã‚ > >>

April 17, 2010

i ordered my own saliva cortisol tests for my kids

From: Finch Drake <finchstacyhotmail (DOT) com>Subject: wondering about my daughterTo: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 9:42 AM

Reading about taking T3 in pregnancy is making me wonder. Although I only figured out last year I need to take T3, I have probably been hypo my whole adult life. My temp has always been low, I have always had to eat very little to not be hugely obese. I have a 7 yo dd who is obese. Always has been. (She was 9 pounds at birth.) She is very tall, almost 5 feet, but she also weighs about 130 pounds and has to wear large women's clothes because she has such a large tummy. Since I have been taking off weight, she is now larger than I am. As my clothes get too big for me, she starts wearing them. A few years ago she had a thyroid panel done, but it did not show the rT3, of course. We also ruled out a genetic issue at the same time. I have been hesitant to have blood work done again because it was such a traumatic experience for her. She is so chubby, it was hard to find the veins under all of the fat. Her diet is awesome. We stick to a

mostly organic, whole food diet. We limit grains, although that is hard because it's what she craves. She eats very little, often skipping meals during the day because she is not hungry. Is it possible she needs T3? Can you medicate a 7 year old? If she's too young to medicate, I would probably wait to go through the trauma of blood work again.

What are your thoughts?

April 17, 2010

OH sorry....I must've have read the emails wrong!

From: Finch Drake

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:10 PM

To: RT3_T3

Subject: RE: wondering about my daughter

I think you need to ask Dawn, I'm the one just now considering it for my 7 yo.

From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of mom2mattSent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:49 PMTo: RT3_T3 Subject: Re: wondering about my daughter

Thank you for sharing this ! We are dealing with my almost 7 year old having ADHD, and some anxiety as well. I have an appt with her doctor and am going to ask for testing. He's pretty good about ordering things so I don't think that will be a problem. Being in range, but low might be another story. Wasn't it hard to take her temps every 3 hours while she was in school? Was it an RT3 problem? Or just hypoT? Did you have to test her adrenals, too?

Terri

From: Finch Drake

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:39 PM

To: RT3_T3

Subject: RE: wondering about my daughter

was it a thyroid problem? how did you find a doctor?

From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of dawn volzSent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:48 AMTo: RT3_T3 Subject: Re: wondering about my daughter

i started watching my 7 year olds blood work due to problems in school with adhd and anxiety...i took her to a place that did not require doctors order...when i felt sure there was an issue i searched till i found a doctor to treat her..she got used to being poked....and when she got treated her adhd went away!

From: Finch Drake <finchstacyhotmail>Subject: wondering about my daughterTo: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 9:42 AM

Reading about taking T3 in pregnancy is making me wonder. Although I only figured out last year I need to take T3, I have probably been hypo my whole adult life. My temp has always been low, I have always had to eat very little to not be hugely obese. I have a 7 yo dd who is obese. Always has been. (She was 9 pounds at birth.) She is very tall, almost 5 feet, but she also weighs about 130 pounds and has to wear large women's clothes because she has such a large tummy. Since I have been taking off weight, she is now larger than I am. As my clothes get too big for me, she starts wearing them. A few years ago she had a thyroid panel done, but it did not show the rT3, of course. We also ruled out a genetic issue at the same time. I have been hesitant to have blood work done again because it was such a traumatic experience for her. She is so chubby, it was hard to find the veins under all of the fat. Her diet is awesome. We stick to a mostly organic, whole food diet. We limit grains, although that is hard because it's what she craves. She eats very little, often skipping meals during the day because she is not hungry. Is it possible she needs T3? Can you medicate a 7 year old? If she's too young to medicate, I would probably wait to go through the trauma of blood work again.

What are your thoughts?

April 17, 2010

So did you have to put your kids on HC or were you able to do adaptogens?

Terri

From: dawn volz

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:47 PM

To: RT3_T3

Subject: Re: Re: wondering about my daughter

April 17, 2010

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you at all! In fact, it would make sense that brain

fog and not being able to concentrate are the same, kids just can't explain it.

I was just wondering if the low dopamine and serotonin which seems to affect the

ability to concentrate and of course anxiety problems from low serotonin, are

corrected at least in part by taking t3. I know the neurostransmitter tests show

low dopamine in kids with ADHD but maybe thyroid meds fix the neurotransmitter

problems. That's all I was saying as I think it's interesting.

And serotonin is linked to anxiety, so maybe that's why taking t3 helps anxiety

issues, too, by raising serotonin. I just find all the connections interesting

-- and also find it sad that the doctors don't think of them before doing the

drugs.

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> > > From: Finch Drake <finchstacy@ >

> > > Subject: wondering about my daughter

> > > To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com

> > > Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 9:42 AM

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> > > Reading about taking T3 in pregnancy is making me wonder. Although I only

figured out last year I need to take T3, I have probably been hypo my whole

adult life. My temp has always been low, I have always had to eat very little to

not be hugely obese. I have a 7 yo dd who is obese. Always has been. (She was 9

pounds at birth.) She is very tall, almost 5 feet, but she also weighs about 130

pounds and has to wear large women's clothes because she has such a large tummy.

Since I have been taking off weight, she is now larger than I am. As my clothes

get too big for me, she starts wearing them. A few years ago she had a thyroid

panel done, but it did not show the rT3, of course. We also ruled out a genetic

issue at the same time. I have been hesitant to have blood work done again

because it was such a traumatic experience for her. She is so chubby, it was

hard to find the veins under all of the fat. Her diet is awesome. We stick to a

mostly organic,

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> > > food diet. We limit grains, although that is hard because it's what she

craves. She eats very little, often skipping meals during the day because she is

not hungry. Is it possible she needs T3? Can you medicate a 7 year old? If she's

too young to medicate, I would probably wait to go through the trauma of blood

work again.

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April 17, 2010

Another question, when taking your daughter's temp, did you use a digital? I am just wondering because there is NO way my daughter would sit still long enough to use a mercury thermometer under her tongue. Or did you put it under her armpit. This is vacation week and I am going to do her basal and daytime temps. So that way I have the info before seeing her doc.

So glad you posted this....it's something I have been thinking about and why I made an appt with her doc. They are doing IEP testing on her right now at school because she can't focus and sit still. Granted she is only 6 years, 10 months, but she is behind all the other kids.

Thanks again!Terri

April 17, 2010

I know I had an EEG years ago and the results said I had low dopamine. Of course after that they said they didn't know what caused it and sent me on my merry way.

Terri

From: keickholt13

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:34 PM

To: RT3_T3

Subject: Re: wondering about my daughter

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you at all! In fact, it would make sense that brain fog and not being able to concentrate are the same, kids just can't explain it. I was just wondering if the low dopamine and serotonin which seems to affect the ability to concentrate and of course anxiety problems from low serotonin, are corrected at least in part by taking t3. I know the neurostransmitter tests show low dopamine in kids with ADHD but maybe thyroid meds fix the neurotransmitter problems. That's all I was saying as I think it's interesting. And serotonin is linked to anxiety, so maybe that's why taking t3 helps anxiety issues, too, by raising serotonin. I just find all the connections interesting -- and also find it sad that the doctors don't think of them before doing the drugs.> > > > > > > > > From: Finch Drake <finchstacy@ >> > > Subject: wondering about my daughter> > > To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com> > > Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 9:42 AM> > > > > > > > > Ã‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reading about taking T3 in pregnancy is making me wonder. Although I only figured out last year I need to take T3, I have probably been hypo my whole adult life. My temp has always been low, I have always had to eat very little to not be hugely obese. I have a 7 yo dd who is obese. Always has been. (She was 9 pounds at birth.) She is very tall, almost 5 feet, but she also weighs about 130 pounds and has to wear large women's clothes because she has such a large tummy. Since I have been taking off weight, she is now larger than I am. As my clothes get too big for me, she starts wearing them. A few years ago she had a thyroid panel done, but it did not show the rT3, of course. We also ruled out a genetic issue at the same time. I have been hesitant to have blood work done again because it was such a traumatic experience for her. She is so chubby, it was hard to find the veins under all of the fat. Her diet is awesome. We stick to a mostly organic,> whole> > > food diet. We limit grains, although that is hard because it's what she craves. She eats very little, often skipping meals during the day because she is not hungry. Is it possible she needs T3? Can you medicate a 7 year old? If she's too young to medicate, I would probably wait to go through the trauma of blood work again.> > > Ã‚Â > > > What are your thoughts?> > > Ã‚Â > > > > > > Ã‚Â > > > Ã‚Â > > >> >>

April 17, 2010

valerie mentioned to me the other day that she believes that the adrenals are behind a faulty neurotransmitter (s)....so that may explain it...so which ever comes first thryoid or adrenals then after that the neurotransmitters get screwed up too...

Subject: Re: Re: wondering about my daughterTo: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 12:40 PM

I know I had an EEG years ago and the results said I had low dopamine. Of course after that they said they didn't know what caused it and sent me on my merry way.

Terri

From: keickholt13

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:34 PM

To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: wondering about my daughter

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you at all! In fact, it would make sense that brain fog and not being able to concentrate are the same, kids just can't explain it. I was just wondering if the low dopamine and serotonin which seems to affect the ability to concentrate and of course anxiety problems from low serotonin, are corrected at least in part by taking t3. I know the neurostransmitter tests show low dopamine in kids with ADHD but maybe thyroid meds fix the neurotransmitter problems. That's all I was saying as I think it's interesting. And serotonin is linked to anxiety, so maybe that's why taking t3 helps anxiety issues, too, by raising serotonin. I just find all the connections interesting -- and also find it sad that the doctors don't think of them before doing the drugs.> > > > > > > > > From: Finch Drake <finchstacy@ >> > > Subject: wondering about my daughter> > > To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com> > > Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 9:42 AM> > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reading about taking T3 in pregnancy is making me wonder. Although I

only figured out last year I need to take T3, I have probably been hypo my whole adult life. My temp has always been low, I have always had to eat very little to not be hugely obese. I have a 7 yo dd who is obese. Always has been. (She was 9 pounds at birth.) She is very tall, almost 5 feet, but she also weighs about 130 pounds and has to wear large women's clothes because she has such a large tummy. Since I have been taking off weight, she is now larger than I am. As my clothes get too big for me, she starts wearing them. A few years ago she had a thyroid panel done, but it did not show the rT3, of course. We also ruled out a genetic issue at the same time. I have been hesitant to have blood work done again because it was such a traumatic experience for her. She is so chubby, it was hard to find the veins under all of the fat. Her diet is awesome. We stick to a mostly organic,> whole> > > food diet. We limit grains, although that is

hard because it's what she craves. She eats very little, often skipping meals during the day because she is not hungry. Is it possible she needs T3? Can you medicate a 7 year old? If she's too young to medicate, I would probably wait to go through the trauma of blood work again.> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > What are your thoughts?> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > >> >>

April 17, 2010

yes i used a digital under her tongue and sometimes under her arm....i believe when under the arm temps are a degree or so lower so check that out...i used a basal thermometer by the way NOT a regular digital....my daughter ( more than one of mine had this issue) had learning issues and was hyper....in 2 of them i have treated thyroid...and had great sucess in my other one i have not had to treat thyroid yet but am open to it if need to later..instead with her i addressed some adrenal issues with herbs and brought up her ferritin from 25 and give her lots of supplements like b's and c's to support adrenals..and she is doing much better...so far she does not have hashis showing up and her thyroid levels are ok

Subject: Re: Re: wondering about my daughterTo: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 12:39 PM

Another question, when taking your daughter's temp, did you use a digital? I am just wondering because there is NO way my daughter would sit still long enough to use a mercury thermometer under her tongue. Or did you put it under her armpit. This is vacation week and I am going to do her basal and daytime temps. So that way I have the info before seeing her doc.

So glad you posted this....it's something I have been thinking about and why I made an appt with her doc. They are doing IEP testing on her right now at school because she can't focus and sit still. Granted she is only 6 years, 10 months, but she is behind all the other kids.

Thanks again!Terri

April 17, 2010

yes i used a digital under her tongue and sometimes under her arm....i believe when under the arm temps are a degree or so lower so check that out...i used a basal thermometer by the way NOT a regular digital....my daughter ( more than one of mine had this issue) had learning issues and was hyper....in 2 of them i have treated thyroid...and had great sucess in my other one i have not had to treat thyroid yet but am open to it if need to later..instead with her i addressed some adrenal issues with herbs and brought up her ferritin from 25 and give her lots of supplements like b's and c's to support adrenals..and she is doing much better...so far she does not have hashis showing up and her thyroid levels are ok

Subject: Re: Re: wondering about my daughterTo: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 12:39 PM

Another question, when taking your daughter's temp, did you use a digital? I am just wondering because there is NO way my daughter would sit still long enough to use a mercury thermometer under her tongue. Or did you put it under her armpit. This is vacation week and I am going to do her basal and daytime temps. So that way I have the info before seeing her doc.

So glad you posted this....it's something I have been thinking about and why I made an appt with her doc. They are doing IEP testing on her right now at school because she can't focus and sit still. Granted she is only 6 years, 10 months, but she is behind all the other kids.

Thanks again!Terri

April 17, 2010

so far no HC...maybe cause they were young they had more reserves but we use herbs adn vitamins...so far anyway we have been able to use NT in one of them and with great success..my other one has been on NT and done well but not well enough and she is now using T3 and so far is tolerating it well...my 3rd daughter so far is doing well with herbs

Subject: Re: Re: wondering about my daughterTo: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 12:32 PM

So did you have to put your kids on HC or were you able to do adaptogens?

Terri

From: dawn volz

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:47 PM

To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: Re: wondering about my daughter

April 17, 2010

so far no HC...maybe cause they were young they had more reserves but we use herbs adn vitamins...so far anyway we have been able to use NT in one of them and with great success..my other one has been on NT and done well but not well enough and she is now using T3 and so far is tolerating it well...my 3rd daughter so far is doing well with herbs

Subject: Re: Re: wondering about my daughterTo: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 12:32 PM

So did you have to put your kids on HC or were you able to do adaptogens?

Terri

From: dawn volz

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:47 PM

To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: Re: wondering about my daughter

April 17, 2010

Yes, it's all soooo complicated, isn't it?? :-( I've had anxiety and panic

attack issues since I was 14, but I also had childhood emotional abuse. So did

that cause adrenal and thyroid problems and then anxiety? Who knows how it all

works?

I do know that image scans of the brain show damage depending on the kind of

trauma one endures, i.e., physical abuse looks different on a brain scan than

emotional abuse. And that damage can't be reversed as far as I know. So it may

explain why *some* people still need neurotransmatter help beyond fixing their

adrenals and thyroid issues. For me, taking neurotransmatter precursors (amino

acids) has helped a LOT, but things get really wonky if my HC or t3 isn't quite

right. And getting those right, well, you don't want me to go on about that,

lol! ;-) But I guess it just shows how interrelated everything is.

Kathleen

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> > > > From: Finch Drake <finchstacy@ >

> > > > Subject: wondering about my daughter

> > > > To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com

> > > > Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 9:42 AM

> > > >

> > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

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> > > > Reading about taking T3 in pregnancy is making me wonder. Although I

only figured out last year I need to take T3, I have probably been hypo my whole