Re: Re: frustrated?/C.hunter

[Guest guest]

I don't take HC, I can't take it. I tried to reduced my T3 from 75 to 70 and to spread it out but this made my heart rate even higher. I am back to 75 and spreading it out all day and before bed. What I have noticed is that my BP's bottom number goes up to 99 my heart rate is lower at 88 and when my heart rate when resting is at 114 my BP's lower number is 77 or in that range. I totally understand what you are saying. I think I need more T3 but when I increase my heart rate goes higher and I feel nervous. I'm afraid to raise it even just a little. Did you see results instantly or did it take days or weeks to see your heart rate go down after you increased?

I am wanting to help but from the totality of e mails below I'm not sure

my info applies here.

Just suffice to say I'm on 13 meds PLUS lots of HC and thyroid....but the

point i'm trying to make is....when I INCREASED my daily doses of both HC

and dessicated thyroid....and also the frequency ...from 2 times a day..

to 4 times a day...my heart beats per minutes got reduced .

my resting beat PREVIOUSLY at the lowest ...was 88

with my beat when walking or going up small hill up to 135 or 140 ish.

after Hc and thyroid increases...the resting Heart beat went down to

between 78 and 71. and I stopped almost all the skipped and palpatations I

had previously.

C. Hunter

> Kate,

>

> I have been using the magnesium oil for about one week now and I take Calm

> in the evening. I do not have magnesium taurate, I'll pick some up. What

> I thought was strange is that after using the magnesium oil for a few days

> I noticed a slight decrease in my heart rate and then suddenly it jumped

> up even higher.

>

> I cut out taking any type of calcium supplements because I was told to do

> that when taking magnesium. I lay down quit often when my heart starts to

> get extremely high but even laying down sometimes doesn't help.

>

> I'm not sure about xanax, you have to have a prescription for that right?

>

> If I do any amount of work I get a bright red face and start to sweat.

>

>

>

>

>> Louise,

>>

>> Using magnesium and xanax:

>>

>> I struggled with heart racing and serious arrhythmia for years (they

>> wanted to do ablation or pacemaker in me). Magnesium therapy has totally

>> cured it. BUT it took me a lot of experimenting and researching to get

>> on the right mg and right dosage.

>>

>> I take magnesium taurate (taurine is specific for calming the heart

>> tissues down) 300mg in the morning and Natural Calm 350mg in the evening

>> (ionized mg citrate---highly absorbable) I eat pumpkin seed and

>> sunflower seeds high in mg at noon or afternoon.

>> I also use transdermal magnesium oil on my skin. The magnesium has rai

> sed my DHEA into normal levels. They say only the transdermal form will

> raise DHEA, but the oral worked for me also. You have to titrate mg up

> very slowly.

>> Also, how much calcium are you taking? Too much calcium which contracts

>> muscles (mg relaxes them), can be a source of heart

>> pounding/racing---especially when mg balances are off.

>>

>> BUT---it takes a while to get enough mg into your cells to work on the

>> heart and nervous system, so when my heart was really scary crazy, i

>> took a low dose of xanax, which worked in 20-30 minutes to calm my heart

>> down and decrease the adrenaline that perpetuates it.

>>

>> Yes, xanax can be addictive used in high doses and long term, but if you

>> are very careful and use as low a dose as possible, it is very effective

>> in giving your heart and nerves a rest so they can reboot and restore

>> themselves while you are building your mg reserves.

>> hope this helps some, Kate

>>

>>

>> > >

>> > > >

>> > > > What sort of labs have you had done? Low potassium, hypothyroid,

>> low ferritin, low cortisol all can cause a pounding heart. It is

>> so hard to say without labs Sorry if you have already posted

>> your labwork by the way. I get everyone confused It is very

>> frustrating and depressing! We are all there or have been there at

>> some point!

>> > > >

>> > > > Kitty

>> > > >

>> > > > From: LouiseH <loubob@>

>> > > > To: RT3_T3

>> > > > Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 5:44:08 PM

>> > > > Subject: frustrated?

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > I keep asking question after question ( to doctors and forums )

>> but I don't ever get my problems fixed, ( not blaming anyone here

>> ) it's just that there seems to be no answer to my problems. I

>> have been reading up on the internet and from what I see I must be

>> abnormal because I don't respond to what others respond to. When I

>> take salt I blow up like a balloon and it doesn't slow down my

>> heart rate, when I tried magnesium ( I'm still using it ) it did

>> nothing to slow down my heart rate, when I reduced my T3 my heart

>> rate seemed to go even higher and my BP went up. Today my heart

>> rate is up again in the 112-115 range. Two days ago it was good (

>> for me ) under 100. I think there has to be something major wrong

>> with me which has nothing to do with my thyroid. I just don't get

>> it at all. My tempts stay steady at 95.5 almost all the time and

>> if they change it goes to 95.7. I've been treating my adrenal

>> issues for years and don't think this has anything to do with it

>> but I'm probably wrong. I just don't know where to go or who to

>> trust anymore. I wish I could find a decent doctor that knew what

>> he was doing but so far no such luck. Has anyone else had these

>> problems I've been dealing with. Is there a good doctor that knows

>> what he's doing? I'd travel to visit him at this point.

>> > > >

>> > > > I'm going to be taking a saliva test for cortisol and sex hormones

>> in the next few days and also getting my ferritin done once again.

>> > > >

>> > > > Any help is appreciated because I'm getting very depressed over my

>> health issues. I can't seem to do anything without sweating.

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't take HC, I can't take it. I tried to reduced my T3 from 75 to 70 and to spread it out but this made my heart rate even higher. I am back to 75 and spreading it out all day and before bed. What I have noticed is that my BP's bottom number goes up to 99 my heart rate is lower at 88 and when my heart rate when resting is at 114 my BP's lower number is 77 or in that range. I totally understand what you are saying. I think I need more T3 but when I increase my heart rate goes higher and I feel nervous. I'm afraid to raise it even just a little. Did you see results instantly or did it take days or weeks to see your heart rate go down after you increased?

I am wanting to help but from the totality of e mails below I'm not sure

my info applies here.

Just suffice to say I'm on 13 meds PLUS lots of HC and thyroid....but the

point i'm trying to make is....when I INCREASED my daily doses of both HC

and dessicated thyroid....and also the frequency ...from 2 times a day..

to 4 times a day...my heart beats per minutes got reduced .

my resting beat PREVIOUSLY at the lowest ...was 88

with my beat when walking or going up small hill up to 135 or 140 ish.

after Hc and thyroid increases...the resting Heart beat went down to

between 78 and 71. and I stopped almost all the skipped and palpatations I

had previously.

C. Hunter

> Kate,

>

> I have been using the magnesium oil for about one week now and I take Calm

> in the evening. I do not have magnesium taurate, I'll pick some up. What

> I thought was strange is that after using the magnesium oil for a few days

> I noticed a slight decrease in my heart rate and then suddenly it jumped

> up even higher.

>

> I cut out taking any type of calcium supplements because I was told to do

> that when taking magnesium. I lay down quit often when my heart starts to

> get extremely high but even laying down sometimes doesn't help.

>

> I'm not sure about xanax, you have to have a prescription for that right?

>

> If I do any amount of work I get a bright red face and start to sweat.

>

>

>

>

>> Louise,

>>

>> Using magnesium and xanax:

>>

>> I struggled with heart racing and serious arrhythmia for years (they

>> wanted to do ablation or pacemaker in me). Magnesium therapy has totally

>> cured it. BUT it took me a lot of experimenting and researching to get

>> on the right mg and right dosage.

>>

>> I take magnesium taurate (taurine is specific for calming the heart

>> tissues down) 300mg in the morning and Natural Calm 350mg in the evening

>> (ionized mg citrate---highly absorbable) I eat pumpkin seed and

>> sunflower seeds high in mg at noon or afternoon.

>> I also use transdermal magnesium oil on my skin. The magnesium has rai

> sed my DHEA into normal levels. They say only the transdermal form will

> raise DHEA, but the oral worked for me also. You have to titrate mg up

> very slowly.

>> Also, how much calcium are you taking? Too much calcium which contracts

>> muscles (mg relaxes them), can be a source of heart

>> pounding/racing---especially when mg balances are off.

>>

>> BUT---it takes a while to get enough mg into your cells to work on the

>> heart and nervous system, so when my heart was really scary crazy, i

>> took a low dose of xanax, which worked in 20-30 minutes to calm my heart

>> down and decrease the adrenaline that perpetuates it.

>>

>> Yes, xanax can be addictive used in high doses and long term, but if you

>> are very careful and use as low a dose as possible, it is very effective

>> in giving your heart and nerves a rest so they can reboot and restore

>> themselves while you are building your mg reserves.

>> hope this helps some, Kate

>>

>>

>> > >

>> > > >

>> > > > What sort of labs have you had done? Low potassium, hypothyroid,

>> low ferritin, low cortisol all can cause a pounding heart. It is

>> so hard to say without labs Sorry if you have already posted

>> your labwork by the way. I get everyone confused It is very

>> frustrating and depressing! We are all there or have been there at

>> some point!

>> > > >

>> > > > Kitty

>> > > >

>> > > > From: LouiseH <loubob@>

>> > > > To: RT3_T3

>> > > > Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 5:44:08 PM

>> > > > Subject: frustrated?

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > I keep asking question after question ( to doctors and forums )

>> but I don't ever get my problems fixed, ( not blaming anyone here

>> ) it's just that there seems to be no answer to my problems. I

>> have been reading up on the internet and from what I see I must be

>> abnormal because I don't respond to what others respond to. When I

>> take salt I blow up like a balloon and it doesn't slow down my

>> heart rate, when I tried magnesium ( I'm still using it ) it did

>> nothing to slow down my heart rate, when I reduced my T3 my heart

>> rate seemed to go even higher and my BP went up. Today my heart

>> rate is up again in the 112-115 range. Two days ago it was good (

>> for me ) under 100. I think there has to be something major wrong

>> with me which has nothing to do with my thyroid. I just don't get

>> it at all. My tempts stay steady at 95.5 almost all the time and

>> if they change it goes to 95.7. I've been treating my adrenal

>> issues for years and don't think this has anything to do with it

>> but I'm probably wrong. I just don't know where to go or who to

>> trust anymore. I wish I could find a decent doctor that knew what

>> he was doing but so far no such luck. Has anyone else had these

>> problems I've been dealing with. Is there a good doctor that knows

>> what he's doing? I'd travel to visit him at this point.

>> > > >

>> > > > I'm going to be taking a saliva test for cortisol and sex hormones

>> in the next few days and also getting my ferritin done once again.

>> > > >

>> > > > Any help is appreciated because I'm getting very depressed over my

>> health issues. I can't seem to do anything without sweating.

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

OK

first thing you need to remember is that I'm on dessicated thyroid....not T3

(look below and see in prior e mail where i say " dessicated " )

But I ALSO take a huge amount of HC daily. every time I take dessicated

thyroid (Erfa) I also take a dose of HC.

why do you say you caNNOT take HC?

what did it do to you before? if you took it before?

I really think you need the experitise and tremendously intelligent

experiences of the moderator....and I also have a hunch that perhaps you

are taking too much T3 for taking it WITHOUT HC....but that's only a gut

feeling hunch.

C. Hunter

> I don't take HC, I can't take it. I tried to reduced my T3 from 75 to 70

> and to spread it out but this made my heart rate even higher. I am back

> to 75 and spreading it out all day and before bed.

> What I have noticed is that my BP's bottom number goes up to 99 my heart

> rate is lower at 88 and when my heart rate when resting is at 114 my BP's

> lower number is 77 or in that range.

>

> I totally understand what you are saying. I think I need more T3 but when

> I increase my heart rate goes higher and I feel nervous. I'm afraid to

> raise it even just a little. Did you see results instantly or did it take

> days or weeks to see your heart rate go down after you increased?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> I am wanting to help but from the totality of e mails below I'm not sure

>> my info applies here.

>>

>> Just suffice to say I'm on 13 meds PLUS lots of HC and thyroid....but

>> the

>> point i'm trying to make is....when I INCREASED my daily doses of both

>> HC

>> and dessicated thyroid....and also the frequency ...from 2 times a day..

>> to 4 times a day...my heart beats per minutes got reduced .

>>

>> my resting beat PREVIOUSLY at the lowest ...was 88

>>

>> with my beat when walking or going up small hill up to 135 or 140 ish.

>>

>> after Hc and thyroid increases...the resting Heart beat went down to

>> between 78 and 71. and I stopped almost all the skipped

> and palpatations I

>> had previously.

>>

>> C. Hunter

>>

>> > Kate,

>> >

>> > I have been using the magnesium oil for about one week now and I take

>> Calm

>> > in the evening. I do not have magnesium taurate, I'll pick some up.

>> What

>> > I thought was strange is that after using the magnesium oil for a few

>> days

>> > I noticed a slight decrease in my heart rate and then suddenly it

>> jumped

>> > up even higher.

>> >

>> > I cut out taking any type of calcium supplements because I was told to

>> do

>> > that when taking magnesium. I lay down quit often when my heart starts

>> to

>> > get extremely high but even laying down sometimes doesn't help.

>> >

>> > I'm not sure about xanax, you have to have a prescription for that

>> right?

>> >

>> > If I do any amount of work I get a bright red face and start to sweat.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >> Louise,

>> >>

>> >> Using magnesium and xanax:

>> >>

>> >> I struggled with heart racing and serious arrhythmia for years (they

>> >> wanted to do ablation or pacemaker in me). Magnesium therapy has

>> totally

>> >> cured it. BUT it took me a lot of experimenting and researching to

>> get

>> >> on the right mg and right dosage.

>> >>

>> >> I take magnesium taurate (taurine is specific for calming the heart

>> >> tissues down) 300mg in the morning and Natural Calm 350mg in the

>> evening

>> >> (ionized mg citrate---highly absorbable) I eat pumpkin seed and

>> >> sunflower seeds high in mg at noon or afternoon.

>> >> I also use transdermal magnesium oil on my skin. The magnesium has

>> rai

>> > sed my DHEA into normal levels. They say only the transdermal form

>> will

>> > raise DHEA, but the oral worked for me also. You have to titrate mg up

>> > very slowly.

>> >> Also, how much calcium are you taking? Too much calcium which

>> contracts

>> >> muscles (mg relaxes them), can be a source of heart

>> >> pounding/racing---especially when mg balances are off.

>> >>

>> >> BUT---it takes a while to get enough mg into your cells to work on

>> the

>> >> heart and nervous system, so when my heart was really scary crazy, i

>> >> took a low dose of xanax, which worked in 20-30 minutes to calm my

>> heart

>> >> down and decrease the adrenaline that perpetuates it.

>> >>

>> >> Yes, xanax can be addictive used in high doses and long term, but if

>> you

>> >> are very careful and use as low a dose as possible, it is very

>> effective

>> >> in giving your heart and nerves a rest so they can reboot and restore

>> >> themselves while you are building your mg reserves.

>> >> hope this helps some, Kate

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > What sort of labs have you had done? Low potassium,

>> hypothyroid,

>> >> low ferritin, low cortisol all can cause a pounding heart. It is

>> >> so hard to say without labs Sorry if you have already posted

>> >> your labwork by the way. I get everyone confused It is very

>> >> frustrating and depressing! We are all there or have been there at

>> >> some point!

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Kitty

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > From: LouiseH <loubob@>

>> >> > > > To: RT3_T3

>> >> > > > Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 5:44:08 PM

>> >> > > > Subject: frustrated?

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > I keep asking question after question ( to doctors and forums )

>> >> but I don't ever get my problems fixed, ( not blaming anyone here

>> >> ) it's just that there seems to be no answer to my problems. I

>> >> have been reading up on the internet and from what I see I must be

>> >> abnormal because I don't respond to what others respond to. When I

>> >> take salt I blow up like a balloon and it doesn't slow down my

>> >> heart rate, when I tried magnesium ( I'm still using it ) it did

>> >> nothing to slow down my heart rate, when I reduced my T3 my heart

>> >> rate seemed to go even higher and my BP went up. Today my heart

>> >> rate is up again in the 112-115 range. Two days ago it was good (

>> >> for me ) under 100. I think there has to be something major wrong

>> >> with me which has nothing to do with my thyroid. I just don't get

>> >> it at all. My tempts stay steady at 95.5 almost all the time and

>> >> if they change it goes to 95.7. I've been treating my adrenal

>> >> issues for years and don't think this has anything to do with it

>> >> but I'm probably wrong. I just don't know where to go or who to

>> >> trust anymore. I wish I could find a decent doctor that knew what

>> >> he was doing but so far no such luck. Has anyone else had these

>> >> problems I've been dealing with. Is there a good doctor that knows

>> >> what he's doing? I'd travel to visit him at this point.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > I'm going to be taking a saliva test for cortisol and sex

>> hormones

>> >> in the next few days and also getting my ferritin done once again.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Any help is appreciated because I'm getting very depressed over

>> my

>> >> health issues. I can't seem to do anything without sweating.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > >

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >>

>> >

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

you need to understand my heart rate went down when i increased the HC and

a bit more of Erfa dessicated thyroid.

and I changed my split up dosages from 2 X a day .....to 4 X a day

but during the experimental changes for a number of days I had to change

to five times a day doses.

a little background

at 2 x a day i took 20 mg HC with 125 mg erfa in am

and 15 mg Hc and 62 mg Erfa in pm.

and I was getting freezing cold from about 2 pm to 4 pm...at someones

suggestion I tried a little more Erfa BEFORE the freezing attacks ....it

helped

but my body temps were still rising up and down like a rocket from

perhaps 95-something to as high as 99. multiple times a day...and was

also having freezing and then sweating attacks, about every 30 minutes or

so.

I experimented...to make long story short .....ended up with total daily

HC of 60 mg , and erfa of 312 mg a day, both divided in four doses taken

at same time.

now my temps are so much more stable ....(YEAAAH! )and the freezing and

then sweating attacks are mostly history except for the early AM ones

before the blood level gets UP....but you need to also keep in mind I lack

INTRINSIC factor, and also have malabsorbtion syndrome, hypermobile

intestinal transet time, as well as many other medical conditions that

probably affect WHY i need so much.

C. Hunter

> I don't take HC, I can't take it. I tried to reduced my T3 from 75 to 70

> and to spread it out but this made my heart rate even higher. I am back

> to 75 and spreading it out all day and before bed.

> What I have noticed is that my BP's bottom number goes up to 99 my heart

> rate is lower at 88 and when my heart rate when resting is at 114 my BP's

> lower number is 77 or in that range.

>

> I totally understand what you are saying. I think I need more T3 but when

> I increase my heart rate goes higher and I feel nervous. I'm afraid to

> raise it even just a little. Did you see results instantly or did it take

> days or weeks to see your heart rate go down after you increased?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> I am wanting to help but from the totality of e mails below I'm not sure

>> my info applies here.

>>

>> Just suffice to say I'm on 13 meds PLUS lots of HC and thyroid....but

>> the

>> point i'm trying to make is....when I INCREASED my daily doses of both

>> HC

>> and dessicated thyroid....and also the frequency ...from 2 times a day..

>> to 4 times a day...my heart beats per minutes got reduced .

>>

>> my resting beat PREVIOUSLY at the lowest ...was 88

>>

>> with my beat when walking or going up small hill up to 135 or 140 ish.

>>

>> after Hc and thyroid increases...the resting Heart beat went down to

>> between 78 and 71. and I stopped almost all the skipped

> and palpatations I

>> had previously.

>>

>> C. Hunter

>>

>> > Kate,

>> >

>> > I have been using the magnesium oil for about one week now and I take

>> Calm

>> > in the evening. I do not have magnesium taurate, I'll pick some up.

>> What

>> > I thought was strange is that after using the magnesium oil for a few

>> days

>> > I noticed a slight decrease in my heart rate and then suddenly it

>> jumped

>> > up even higher.

>> >

>> > I cut out taking any type of calcium supplements because I was told to

>> do

>> > that when taking magnesium. I lay down quit often when my heart starts

>> to

>> > get extremely high but even laying down sometimes doesn't help.

>> >

>> > I'm not sure about xanax, you have to have a prescription for that

>> right?

>> >

>> > If I do any amount of work I get a bright red face and start to sweat.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >> Louise,

>> >>

>> >> Using magnesium and xanax:

>> >>

>> >> I struggled with heart racing and serious arrhythmia for years (they

>> >> wanted to do ablation or pacemaker in me). Magnesium therapy has

>> totally

>> >> cured it. BUT it took me a lot of experimenting and researching to

>> get

>> >> on the right mg and right dosage.

>> >>

>> >> I take magnesium taurate (taurine is specific for calming the heart

>> >> tissues down) 300mg in the morning and Natural Calm 350mg in the

>> evening

>> >> (ionized mg citrate---highly absorbable) I eat pumpkin seed and

>> >> sunflower seeds high in mg at noon or afternoon.

>> >> I also use transdermal magnesium oil on my skin. The magnesium has

>> rai

>> > sed my DHEA into normal levels. They say only the transdermal form

>> will

>> > raise DHEA, but the oral worked for me also. You have to titrate mg up

>> > very slowly.

>> >> Also, how much calcium are you taking? Too much calcium which

>> contracts

>> >> muscles (mg relaxes them), can be a source of heart

>> >> pounding/racing---especially when mg balances are off.

>> >>

>> >> BUT---it takes a while to get enough mg into your cells to work on

>> the

>> >> heart and nervous system, so when my heart was really scary crazy, i

>> >> took a low dose of xanax, which worked in 20-30 minutes to calm my

>> heart

>> >> down and decrease the adrenaline that perpetuates it.

>> >>

>> >> Yes, xanax can be addictive used in high doses and long term, but if

>> you

>> >> are very careful and use as low a dose as possible, it is very

>> effective

>> >> in giving your heart and nerves a rest so they can reboot and restore

>> >> themselves while you are building your mg reserves.

>> >> hope this helps some, Kate

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > What sort of labs have you had done? Low potassium,

>> hypothyroid,

>> >> low ferritin, low cortisol all can cause a pounding heart. It is

>> >> so hard to say without labs Sorry if you have already posted

>> >> your labwork by the way. I get everyone confused It is very

>> >> frustrating and depressing! We are all there or have been there at

>> >> some point!

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Kitty

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > From: LouiseH <loubob@>

>> >> > > > To: RT3_T3

>> >> > > > Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 5:44:08 PM

>> >> > > > Subject: frustrated?

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > I keep asking question after question ( to doctors and forums )

>> >> but I don't ever get my problems fixed, ( not blaming anyone here

>> >> ) it's just that there seems to be no answer to my problems. I

>> >> have been reading up on the internet and from what I see I must be

>> >> abnormal because I don't respond to what others respond to. When I

>> >> take salt I blow up like a balloon and it doesn't slow down my

>> >> heart rate, when I tried magnesium ( I'm still using it ) it did

>> >> nothing to slow down my heart rate, when I reduced my T3 my heart

>> >> rate seemed to go even higher and my BP went up. Today my heart

>> >> rate is up again in the 112-115 range. Two days ago it was good (

>> >> for me ) under 100. I think there has to be something major wrong

>> >> with me which has nothing to do with my thyroid. I just don't get

>> >> it at all. My tempts stay steady at 95.5 almost all the time and

>> >> if they change it goes to 95.7. I've been treating my adrenal

>> >> issues for years and don't think this has anything to do with it

>> >> but I'm probably wrong. I just don't know where to go or who to

>> >> trust anymore. I wish I could find a decent doctor that knew what

>> >> he was doing but so far no such luck. Has anyone else had these

>> >> problems I've been dealing with. Is there a good doctor that knows

>> >> what he's doing? I'd travel to visit him at this point.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > I'm going to be taking a saliva test for cortisol and sex

>> hormones

>> >> in the next few days and also getting my ferritin done once again.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Any help is appreciated because I'm getting very depressed over

>> my

>> >> health issues. I can't seem to do anything without sweating.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > >

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >>

>> >

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

you need to understand my heart rate went down when i increased the HC and

a bit more of Erfa dessicated thyroid.

and I changed my split up dosages from 2 X a day .....to 4 X a day

but during the experimental changes for a number of days I had to change

to five times a day doses.

a little background

at 2 x a day i took 20 mg HC with 125 mg erfa in am

and 15 mg Hc and 62 mg Erfa in pm.

and I was getting freezing cold from about 2 pm to 4 pm...at someones

suggestion I tried a little more Erfa BEFORE the freezing attacks ....it

helped

but my body temps were still rising up and down like a rocket from

perhaps 95-something to as high as 99. multiple times a day...and was

also having freezing and then sweating attacks, about every 30 minutes or

so.

I experimented...to make long story short .....ended up with total daily

HC of 60 mg , and erfa of 312 mg a day, both divided in four doses taken

at same time.

now my temps are so much more stable ....(YEAAAH! )and the freezing and

then sweating attacks are mostly history except for the early AM ones

before the blood level gets UP....but you need to also keep in mind I lack

INTRINSIC factor, and also have malabsorbtion syndrome, hypermobile

intestinal transet time, as well as many other medical conditions that

probably affect WHY i need so much.

C. Hunter

> I don't take HC, I can't take it. I tried to reduced my T3 from 75 to 70

> and to spread it out but this made my heart rate even higher. I am back

> to 75 and spreading it out all day and before bed.

> What I have noticed is that my BP's bottom number goes up to 99 my heart

> rate is lower at 88 and when my heart rate when resting is at 114 my BP's

> lower number is 77 or in that range.

>

> I totally understand what you are saying. I think I need more T3 but when

> I increase my heart rate goes higher and I feel nervous. I'm afraid to

> raise it even just a little. Did you see results instantly or did it take

> days or weeks to see your heart rate go down after you increased?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> I am wanting to help but from the totality of e mails below I'm not sure

>> my info applies here.

>>

>> Just suffice to say I'm on 13 meds PLUS lots of HC and thyroid....but

>> the

>> point i'm trying to make is....when I INCREASED my daily doses of both

>> HC

>> and dessicated thyroid....and also the frequency ...from 2 times a day..

>> to 4 times a day...my heart beats per minutes got reduced .

>>

>> my resting beat PREVIOUSLY at the lowest ...was 88

>>

>> with my beat when walking or going up small hill up to 135 or 140 ish.

>>

>> after Hc and thyroid increases...the resting Heart beat went down to

>> between 78 and 71. and I stopped almost all the skipped

> and palpatations I

>> had previously.

>>

>> C. Hunter

>>

>> > Kate,

>> >

>> > I have been using the magnesium oil for about one week now and I take

>> Calm

>> > in the evening. I do not have magnesium taurate, I'll pick some up.

>> What

>> > I thought was strange is that after using the magnesium oil for a few

>> days

>> > I noticed a slight decrease in my heart rate and then suddenly it

>> jumped

>> > up even higher.

>> >

>> > I cut out taking any type of calcium supplements because I was told to

>> do

>> > that when taking magnesium. I lay down quit often when my heart starts

>> to

>> > get extremely high but even laying down sometimes doesn't help.

>> >

>> > I'm not sure about xanax, you have to have a prescription for that

>> right?

>> >

>> > If I do any amount of work I get a bright red face and start to sweat.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >> Louise,

>> >>

>> >> Using magnesium and xanax:

>> >>

>> >> I struggled with heart racing and serious arrhythmia for years (they

>> >> wanted to do ablation or pacemaker in me). Magnesium therapy has

>> totally

>> >> cured it. BUT it took me a lot of experimenting and researching to

>> get

>> >> on the right mg and right dosage.

>> >>

>> >> I take magnesium taurate (taurine is specific for calming the heart

>> >> tissues down) 300mg in the morning and Natural Calm 350mg in the

>> evening

>> >> (ionized mg citrate---highly absorbable) I eat pumpkin seed and

>> >> sunflower seeds high in mg at noon or afternoon.

>> >> I also use transdermal magnesium oil on my skin. The magnesium has

>> rai

>> > sed my DHEA into normal levels. They say only the transdermal form

>> will

>> > raise DHEA, but the oral worked for me also. You have to titrate mg up

>> > very slowly.

>> >> Also, how much calcium are you taking? Too much calcium which

>> contracts

>> >> muscles (mg relaxes them), can be a source of heart

>> >> pounding/racing---especially when mg balances are off.

>> >>

>> >> BUT---it takes a while to get enough mg into your cells to work on

>> the

>> >> heart and nervous system, so when my heart was really scary crazy, i

>> >> took a low dose of xanax, which worked in 20-30 minutes to calm my

>> heart

>> >> down and decrease the adrenaline that perpetuates it.

>> >>

>> >> Yes, xanax can be addictive used in high doses and long term, but if

>> you

>> >> are very careful and use as low a dose as possible, it is very

>> effective

>> >> in giving your heart and nerves a rest so they can reboot and restore

>> >> themselves while you are building your mg reserves.

>> >> hope this helps some, Kate

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > What sort of labs have you had done? Low potassium,

>> hypothyroid,

>> >> low ferritin, low cortisol all can cause a pounding heart. It is

>> >> so hard to say without labs Sorry if you have already posted

>> >> your labwork by the way. I get everyone confused It is very

>> >> frustrating and depressing! We are all there or have been there at

>> >> some point!

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Kitty

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > From: LouiseH <loubob@>

>> >> > > > To: RT3_T3

>> >> > > > Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 5:44:08 PM

>> >> > > > Subject: frustrated?

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > I keep asking question after question ( to doctors and forums )

>> >> but I don't ever get my problems fixed, ( not blaming anyone here

>> >> ) it's just that there seems to be no answer to my problems. I

>> >> have been reading up on the internet and from what I see I must be

>> >> abnormal because I don't respond to what others respond to. When I

>> >> take salt I blow up like a balloon and it doesn't slow down my

>> >> heart rate, when I tried magnesium ( I'm still using it ) it did

>> >> nothing to slow down my heart rate, when I reduced my T3 my heart

>> >> rate seemed to go even higher and my BP went up. Today my heart

>> >> rate is up again in the 112-115 range. Two days ago it was good (

>> >> for me ) under 100. I think there has to be something major wrong

>> >> with me which has nothing to do with my thyroid. I just don't get

>> >> it at all. My tempts stay steady at 95.5 almost all the time and

>> >> if they change it goes to 95.7. I've been treating my adrenal

>> >> issues for years and don't think this has anything to do with it

>> >> but I'm probably wrong. I just don't know where to go or who to

>> >> trust anymore. I wish I could find a decent doctor that knew what

>> >> he was doing but so far no such luck. Has anyone else had these

>> >> problems I've been dealing with. Is there a good doctor that knows

>> >> what he's doing? I'd travel to visit him at this point.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > I'm going to be taking a saliva test for cortisol and sex

>> hormones

>> >> in the next few days and also getting my ferritin done once again.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Any help is appreciated because I'm getting very depressed over

>> my

>> >> health issues. I can't seem to do anything without sweating.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > >

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >>

>> >

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

you need to understand my heart rate went down when i increased the HC and

a bit more of Erfa dessicated thyroid.

and I changed my split up dosages from 2 X a day .....to 4 X a day

but during the experimental changes for a number of days I had to change

to five times a day doses.

a little background

at 2 x a day i took 20 mg HC with 125 mg erfa in am

and 15 mg Hc and 62 mg Erfa in pm.

and I was getting freezing cold from about 2 pm to 4 pm...at someones

suggestion I tried a little more Erfa BEFORE the freezing attacks ....it

helped

but my body temps were still rising up and down like a rocket from

perhaps 95-something to as high as 99. multiple times a day...and was

also having freezing and then sweating attacks, about every 30 minutes or

so.

I experimented...to make long story short .....ended up with total daily

HC of 60 mg , and erfa of 312 mg a day, both divided in four doses taken

at same time.

now my temps are so much more stable ....(YEAAAH! )and the freezing and

then sweating attacks are mostly history except for the early AM ones

before the blood level gets UP....but you need to also keep in mind I lack

INTRINSIC factor, and also have malabsorbtion syndrome, hypermobile

intestinal transet time, as well as many other medical conditions that

probably affect WHY i need so much.

C. Hunter

> I don't take HC, I can't take it. I tried to reduced my T3 from 75 to 70

> and to spread it out but this made my heart rate even higher. I am back

> to 75 and spreading it out all day and before bed.

> What I have noticed is that my BP's bottom number goes up to 99 my heart

> rate is lower at 88 and when my heart rate when resting is at 114 my BP's

> lower number is 77 or in that range.

>

> I totally understand what you are saying. I think I need more T3 but when

> I increase my heart rate goes higher and I feel nervous. I'm afraid to

> raise it even just a little. Did you see results instantly or did it take

> days or weeks to see your heart rate go down after you increased?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> I am wanting to help but from the totality of e mails below I'm not sure

>> my info applies here.

>>

>> Just suffice to say I'm on 13 meds PLUS lots of HC and thyroid....but

>> the

>> point i'm trying to make is....when I INCREASED my daily doses of both

>> HC

>> and dessicated thyroid....and also the frequency ...from 2 times a day..

>> to 4 times a day...my heart beats per minutes got reduced .

>>

>> my resting beat PREVIOUSLY at the lowest ...was 88

>>

>> with my beat when walking or going up small hill up to 135 or 140 ish.

>>

>> after Hc and thyroid increases...the resting Heart beat went down to

>> between 78 and 71. and I stopped almost all the skipped

> and palpatations I

>> had previously.

>>

>> C. Hunter

>>

>> > Kate,

>> >

>> > I have been using the magnesium oil for about one week now and I take

>> Calm

>> > in the evening. I do not have magnesium taurate, I'll pick some up.

>> What

>> > I thought was strange is that after using the magnesium oil for a few

>> days

>> > I noticed a slight decrease in my heart rate and then suddenly it

>> jumped

>> > up even higher.

>> >

>> > I cut out taking any type of calcium supplements because I was told to

>> do

>> > that when taking magnesium. I lay down quit often when my heart starts

>> to

>> > get extremely high but even laying down sometimes doesn't help.

>> >

>> > I'm not sure about xanax, you have to have a prescription for that

>> right?

>> >

>> > If I do any amount of work I get a bright red face and start to sweat.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >> Louise,

>> >>

>> >> Using magnesium and xanax:

>> >>

>> >> I struggled with heart racing and serious arrhythmia for years (they

>> >> wanted to do ablation or pacemaker in me). Magnesium therapy has

>> totally

>> >> cured it. BUT it took me a lot of experimenting and researching to

>> get

>> >> on the right mg and right dosage.

>> >>

>> >> I take magnesium taurate (taurine is specific for calming the heart

>> >> tissues down) 300mg in the morning and Natural Calm 350mg in the

>> evening

>> >> (ionized mg citrate---highly absorbable) I eat pumpkin seed and

>> >> sunflower seeds high in mg at noon or afternoon.

>> >> I also use transdermal magnesium oil on my skin. The magnesium has

>> rai

>> > sed my DHEA into normal levels. They say only the transdermal form

>> will

>> > raise DHEA, but the oral worked for me also. You have to titrate mg up

>> > very slowly.

>> >> Also, how much calcium are you taking? Too much calcium which

>> contracts

>> >> muscles (mg relaxes them), can be a source of heart

>> >> pounding/racing---especially when mg balances are off.

>> >>

>> >> BUT---it takes a while to get enough mg into your cells to work on

>> the

>> >> heart and nervous system, so when my heart was really scary crazy, i

>> >> took a low dose of xanax, which worked in 20-30 minutes to calm my

>> heart

>> >> down and decrease the adrenaline that perpetuates it.

>> >>

>> >> Yes, xanax can be addictive used in high doses and long term, but if

>> you

>> >> are very careful and use as low a dose as possible, it is very

>> effective

>> >> in giving your heart and nerves a rest so they can reboot and restore

>> >> themselves while you are building your mg reserves.

>> >> hope this helps some, Kate

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > What sort of labs have you had done? Low potassium,

>> hypothyroid,

>> >> low ferritin, low cortisol all can cause a pounding heart. It is

>> >> so hard to say without labs Sorry if you have already posted

>> >> your labwork by the way. I get everyone confused It is very

>> >> frustrating and depressing! We are all there or have been there at

>> >> some point!

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Kitty

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > From: LouiseH <loubob@>

>> >> > > > To: RT3_T3

>> >> > > > Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 5:44:08 PM

>> >> > > > Subject: frustrated?

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > I keep asking question after question ( to doctors and forums )

>> >> but I don't ever get my problems fixed, ( not blaming anyone here

>> >> ) it's just that there seems to be no answer to my problems. I

>> >> have been reading up on the internet and from what I see I must be

>> >> abnormal because I don't respond to what others respond to. When I

>> >> take salt I blow up like a balloon and it doesn't slow down my

>> >> heart rate, when I tried magnesium ( I'm still using it ) it did

>> >> nothing to slow down my heart rate, when I reduced my T3 my heart

>> >> rate seemed to go even higher and my BP went up. Today my heart

>> >> rate is up again in the 112-115 range. Two days ago it was good (

>> >> for me ) under 100. I think there has to be something major wrong

>> >> with me which has nothing to do with my thyroid. I just don't get

>> >> it at all. My tempts stay steady at 95.5 almost all the time and

>> >> if they change it goes to 95.7. I've been treating my adrenal

>> >> issues for years and don't think this has anything to do with it

>> >> but I'm probably wrong. I just don't know where to go or who to

>> >> trust anymore. I wish I could find a decent doctor that knew what

>> >> he was doing but so far no such luck. Has anyone else had these

>> >> problems I've been dealing with. Is there a good doctor that knows

>> >> what he's doing? I'd travel to visit him at this point.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > I'm going to be taking a saliva test for cortisol and sex

>> hormones

>> >> in the next few days and also getting my ferritin done once again.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Any help is appreciated because I'm getting very depressed over

>> my

>> >> health issues. I can't seem to do anything without sweating.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > >

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >>

>> >

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

I tried HC when I first started on T3 and have tried it on and off for over the last year. I have too much cortisol in the mornings and during the day it's okay so when I take HC I get all the symptoms of having too much. Big time headaches and bloating and my heart rate didn't go down after taking it, in fact it made it worse. My tempts have always stayed the same at 97.5-97.7 and have been like this for as long as I can remember and don't fluctuate very much if any.Actually I think I'm not taking enough T3 because my tempts show that. When I cut back on the T3 this is when all of my problems seemed to start, my BP was alway high on the DIA number like 99 but the top number was low like 120 and sometimes less. Someone told me that if the two numbers are close this means you need more thyroid med. So keeping this in my mind I just realized that when I took more T3 this afternoon my heart rate didn't go up that much but my BP went down on the DIA bottom number and I felt better. Maybe this is my imagination but taking more T3 seems to make me feel much better instead of worse. My adrenals are okay, this is not my problem but something else seems to be off if my heart rate wants to stay fast. Maybe the magnesium will help keep my heart rate down. Anyway... thanks for the help.

OK

first thing you need to remember is that I'm on dessicated thyroid....not T3

(look below and see in prior e mail where i say "dessicated")

But I ALSO take a huge amount of HC daily. every time I take dessicated

thyroid (Erfa) I also take a dose of HC.

why do you say you caNNOT take HC?

what did it do to you before? if you took it before?

I really think you need the experitise and tremendously intelligent

experiences of the moderator....and I also have a hunch that perhaps you

are taking too much T3 for taking it WITHOUT HC....but that's only a gut

feeling hunch.

C. Hunter

> I don't take HC, I can't take it. I tried to reduced my T3 from 75 to 70

> and to spread it out but this made my heart rate even higher. I am back

> to 75 and spreading it out all day and before bed.

> What I have noticed is that my BP's bottom number goes up to 99 my heart

> rate is lower at 88 and when my heart rate when resting is at 114 my BP's

> lower number is 77 or in that range.

>

> I totally understand what you are saying. I think I need more T3 but when

> I increase my heart rate goes higher and I feel nervous. I'm afraid to

> raise it even just a little. Did you see results instantly or did it take

> days or weeks to see your heart rate go down after you increased?

>

>.

[Guest guest]

>

>I totally understand what you are saying. I think I need more T3 but when I

increase my heart rate goes higher and I feel nervous. I'm afraid to raise it

even just a little.

I've lost track of threads and am trying to catch up.

Have you had ferritin tested?? if that's below 70 you will have

potential problems with adrenaline getting produced and that will

cause anxiety and fast pulse.

Nick

[Guest guest]

I'm going to have that tested on Monday or Tuesday. The last time I test it was high but I think since I had been supplementing I didn't quit for long enough so I'm testing again. I've been taking magnesium and so far it's still high.

>

>I totally understand what you are saying. I think I need more T3 but when I increase my heart rate goes higher and I feel nervous. I'm afraid to raise it even just a little.

I've lost track of threads and am trying to catch up.

Have you had ferritin tested?? if that's below 70 you will have

potential problems with adrenaline getting produced and that will

cause anxiety and fast pulse.

Nick

[Guest guest]

>The last time I test it was high but I think since I had been supplementing I

didn't quit for long enough so I'm testing again. I've been taking magnesium

and so far it's still high.

there is a 5 day period recommended between stopping iron and testing

Nick