Re: Val,HC dosing,need help

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You can try it but nausea is a pretty sure sign you need more not less.

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Val,

Thank you for your reply.I know nausea is from low cortisol,I just wonder if

starting with 7.5mg may do a difference. Because at noon going to 7.5mg I have a

problem but you have said that higher dose supreses the adrenals so I thought

about this dosing.

Thanks

Milena

>

> You can try it but nausea is a pretty sure sign you need more not less.

>

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[Guest guest]

Val,

It's so frustrating I'm trying so hard to lower the HC but not having any luck

with it.I noticed how much weight I gained and now for 3 weeks just trying the

30mg Hc from 35mg I lost some of the fat,which confirms is from high cortisol,

but staying on 30mg gives me persistant low corts symptoms.I asked you for a new

dosing but wanted to ask specificly your opinion for the 2 different dosing.

Will splitting the 10mg dose for 8am into 2 doses ,

8am 7.5mg

10am 2.5mg help and make a difference for the adrenals not to get suppresed as

much as if I took the 10mg at once at 8am?

I'm on

8am 10

12 7.5

2pm 2.5

4pm 5

bedtime 5

Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

8am 7.5

10am 2.5

12 7.5

2pm 2.5

4pm 5

bedtime 5

Thanks Val.

Milena

>

> Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble with my HC

dosing.

> I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very bad ,I had

nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need to lower the

amount.

> My question is for the dosing.

> I'm on

> 8am 10

> 12 7.5

> 2pm 2.5

> 4pm 5

> bedtime 5

> Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> 8am 7.5

> 10am 2.5

> 12 7.5

> 2pm 2.5

> 4pm 5

> bedtime 5

> I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my adrenals to

produce more for the day.

> thanks a lot

> Milena

>

[Guest guest]

Val,

It's so frustrating I'm trying so hard to lower the HC but not having any luck

with it.I noticed how much weight I gained and now for 3 weeks just trying the

30mg Hc from 35mg I lost some of the fat,which confirms is from high cortisol,

but staying on 30mg gives me persistant low corts symptoms.I asked you for a new

dosing but wanted to ask specificly your opinion for the 2 different dosing.

Will splitting the 10mg dose for 8am into 2 doses ,

8am 7.5mg

10am 2.5mg help and make a difference for the adrenals not to get suppresed as

much as if I took the 10mg at once at 8am?

I'm on

8am 10

12 7.5

2pm 2.5

4pm 5

bedtime 5

Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

8am 7.5

10am 2.5

12 7.5

2pm 2.5

4pm 5

bedtime 5

Thanks Val.

Milena

>

> Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble with my HC

dosing.

> I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very bad ,I had

nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need to lower the

amount.

> My question is for the dosing.

> I'm on

> 8am 10

> 12 7.5

> 2pm 2.5

> 4pm 5

> bedtime 5

> Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> 8am 7.5

> 10am 2.5

> 12 7.5

> 2pm 2.5

> 4pm 5

> bedtime 5

> I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my adrenals to

produce more for the day.

> thanks a lot

> Milena

>

[Guest guest]

Val,

It's so frustrating I'm trying so hard to lower the HC but not having any luck

with it.I noticed how much weight I gained and now for 3 weeks just trying the

30mg Hc from 35mg I lost some of the fat,which confirms is from high cortisol,

but staying on 30mg gives me persistant low corts symptoms.I asked you for a new

dosing but wanted to ask specificly your opinion for the 2 different dosing.

Will splitting the 10mg dose for 8am into 2 doses ,

8am 7.5mg

10am 2.5mg help and make a difference for the adrenals not to get suppresed as

much as if I took the 10mg at once at 8am?

I'm on

8am 10

12 7.5

2pm 2.5

4pm 5

bedtime 5

Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

8am 7.5

10am 2.5

12 7.5

2pm 2.5

4pm 5

bedtime 5

Thanks Val.

Milena

>

> Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble with my HC

dosing.

> I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very bad ,I had

nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need to lower the

amount.

> My question is for the dosing.

> I'm on

> 8am 10

> 12 7.5

> 2pm 2.5

> 4pm 5

> bedtime 5

> Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> 8am 7.5

> 10am 2.5

> 12 7.5

> 2pm 2.5

> 4pm 5

> bedtime 5

> I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my adrenals to

produce more for the day.

> thanks a lot

> Milena

>

[Guest guest]

Milena,

I am not Val, but thought I'd share. One time I got into trouble being on too

much HC. I was on something like 45 to 50. At any rate, it WAS hell weaning

down, but I found taking smaller doses every 1 1/2 or 2 hours did help a lot. I

also believe the adrenals will try hardest to get the AM up so your thought

about splitting the AM dose seems to make sense.

Kathleen

> >

> > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble with my HC

dosing.

> > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very bad ,I had

nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need to lower the

amount.

> > My question is for the dosing.

> > I'm on

> > 8am 10

> > 12 7.5

> > 2pm 2.5

> > 4pm 5

> > bedtime 5

> > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > 8am 7.5

> > 10am 2.5

> > 12 7.5

> > 2pm 2.5

> > 4pm 5

> > bedtime 5

> > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my adrenals to

produce more for the day.

> > thanks a lot

> > Milena

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Milena,

I am not Val, but thought I'd share. One time I got into trouble being on too

much HC. I was on something like 45 to 50. At any rate, it WAS hell weaning

down, but I found taking smaller doses every 1 1/2 or 2 hours did help a lot. I

also believe the adrenals will try hardest to get the AM up so your thought

about splitting the AM dose seems to make sense.

Kathleen

> >

> > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble with my HC

dosing.

> > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very bad ,I had

nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need to lower the

amount.

> > My question is for the dosing.

> > I'm on

> > 8am 10

> > 12 7.5

> > 2pm 2.5

> > 4pm 5

> > bedtime 5

> > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > 8am 7.5

> > 10am 2.5

> > 12 7.5

> > 2pm 2.5

> > 4pm 5

> > bedtime 5

> > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my adrenals to

produce more for the day.

> > thanks a lot

> > Milena

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Milena,

I am not Val, but thought I'd share. One time I got into trouble being on too

much HC. I was on something like 45 to 50. At any rate, it WAS hell weaning

down, but I found taking smaller doses every 1 1/2 or 2 hours did help a lot. I

also believe the adrenals will try hardest to get the AM up so your thought

about splitting the AM dose seems to make sense.

Kathleen

> >

> > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble with my HC

dosing.

> > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very bad ,I had

nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need to lower the

amount.

> > My question is for the dosing.

> > I'm on

> > 8am 10

> > 12 7.5

> > 2pm 2.5

> > 4pm 5

> > bedtime 5

> > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > 8am 7.5

> > 10am 2.5

> > 12 7.5

> > 2pm 2.5

> > 4pm 5

> > bedtime 5

> > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my adrenals to

produce more for the day.

> > thanks a lot

> > Milena

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

I appreciate your reply so much.I have been trying for 4 weeks now to stay on

30mg and have so much trouble with it.I don't understand how can I have high

xrts problems and when going down so extremem low corts problems,it's so

confusing and discuriging.

Kathleen,on what dose are you now? And how long have yo been on HC?

I'm was on 35mg for 10 months and now trying for 4 weeks. I even lowered my T3

from 45mg to 35mg ,but seems Ineed ot go even lower.

If you don't mind sharing mo0re of your experience I will appreciate it.

Thanks a lot

Milena

> > >

> > > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble with my

HC dosing.

> > > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very bad ,I had

nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need to lower the

amount.

> > > My question is for the dosing.

> > > I'm on

> > > 8am 10

> > > 12 7.5

> > > 2pm 2.5

> > > 4pm 5

> > > bedtime 5

> > > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > > 8am 7.5

> > > 10am 2.5

> > > 12 7.5

> > > 2pm 2.5

> > > 4pm 5

> > > bedtime 5

> > > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my adrenals to

produce more for the day.

> > > thanks a lot

> > > Milena

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

I appreciate your reply so much.I have been trying for 4 weeks now to stay on

30mg and have so much trouble with it.I don't understand how can I have high

xrts problems and when going down so extremem low corts problems,it's so

confusing and discuriging.

Kathleen,on what dose are you now? And how long have yo been on HC?

I'm was on 35mg for 10 months and now trying for 4 weeks. I even lowered my T3

from 45mg to 35mg ,but seems Ineed ot go even lower.

If you don't mind sharing mo0re of your experience I will appreciate it.

Thanks a lot

Milena

> > >

> > > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble with my

HC dosing.

> > > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very bad ,I had

nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need to lower the

amount.

> > > My question is for the dosing.

> > > I'm on

> > > 8am 10

> > > 12 7.5

> > > 2pm 2.5

> > > 4pm 5

> > > bedtime 5

> > > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > > 8am 7.5

> > > 10am 2.5

> > > 12 7.5

> > > 2pm 2.5

> > > 4pm 5

> > > bedtime 5

> > > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my adrenals to

produce more for the day.

> > > thanks a lot

> > > Milena

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

I appreciate your reply so much.I have been trying for 4 weeks now to stay on

30mg and have so much trouble with it.I don't understand how can I have high

xrts problems and when going down so extremem low corts problems,it's so

confusing and discuriging.

Kathleen,on what dose are you now? And how long have yo been on HC?

I'm was on 35mg for 10 months and now trying for 4 weeks. I even lowered my T3

from 45mg to 35mg ,but seems Ineed ot go even lower.

If you don't mind sharing mo0re of your experience I will appreciate it.

Thanks a lot

Milena

> > >

> > > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble with my

HC dosing.

> > > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very bad ,I had

nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need to lower the

amount.

> > > My question is for the dosing.

> > > I'm on

> > > 8am 10

> > > 12 7.5

> > > 2pm 2.5

> > > 4pm 5

> > > bedtime 5

> > > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > > 8am 7.5

> > > 10am 2.5

> > > 12 7.5

> > > 2pm 2.5

> > > 4pm 5

> > > bedtime 5

> > > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my adrenals to

produce more for the day.

> > > thanks a lot

> > > Milena

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

8am 7.5

10am 2.5

12 7.5

2pm 2.5

4pm 5

bedtime 5

This is an excellent schedule to try, BUT is you find the AM dose is NOT holding

by the same principle, lower the bedtime to 2.5.It si supression you are

fighting at this poitn rather than can't make enough cortisol.

--

http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

[Guest guest]

Milena,

I don't mind sharing. Hope someone can benefit from my myriad of experiences!

The reason you feel low cortisol, if you are decreasing because your cortisol is

too high, is because the body just gets used to the higher dose and demands it

even if you don't need it or it is hurting you. Which is different than if you

tried to wean off a dose that you NEEDED and your adrenals weren't healed and

couldn't make enough to produce what you NEED. THen your low cortisol symptoms

would mean you shouldn't be lowering your dose. I hope that makes sense.

But I assume you know you are truly on too much, right? Besides the weight?

Anyway, I just went up to 25 mg HC per my conversation with Val. I was only on

11-12.5 mg and was having tons of low cortisol symptoms and unstable temmps.

I've been on HC in on form or another for about 4 years I think. First I was on

8 pellets of Isocort for 1 1/2 years, which helped tremendously but I couldn't

seem to tolerate t3 while on that. So then went up to 20 mg HC. Then after

taking way too much t3, I almost crashed my adrenals and the stupid doc told me

to take 40 to 50 HC, which would have been fine except that he never told me to

wean down after a week or so! Val told me I had to get down to at least 40, so I

did, and I was on 40 for a good year. Then I weaned back down to 20 and was

there a while.

Then I don't know what happened, but it seemed I couldn't tolerate t3 meds

(turned out I had EBV and didn't know it and I also think I mistook low cortisol

for hypo a few times -- I wasn't temp graphing back then!) and I ended up on

about 50 mg HC a day or even more, like 60 or 70. NOT GOOD!

So I had to stop t3 so I could get back to a decent HC dose. I got down to 25

and was there about 6 months and then started the t3 again. This time, taking t3

actually seemed to heal my adrenals and I felt I needed less. So I went down to

about 10 or so. But it turned out I went way too low, oh my! I almost crashed

myself again, but I had a phone consult with Val and she pointed out that all my

symptoms were low cortisol and suggested 25. So that's where I am right now and

I am doing much better now.

At first I was scared to go back to 25, but that's silly. 25 is not going to

hurt anybody; it's a physiological dose and my body needs it. Val said my

adrenals will get better as my rt3 clears and I get my t3 up. And since last

year I was having to take over 50 and now I only need 25, I would say my

adrenals have already improved.

I have also used Xanax to help get off too much HC because the withdrawal from

HC made me so anxious. I took care not to take it long enough to get addicted or

anything.

Another thing -- I used my temps to tell me if I weaning okay. I mean, I made

sure they stayed stable as I weaned because if my cortisol were TRULY low (and

not just experiencing cortisol withdrawal) my temps would have gone unstable.

Are you temp graphing?

Have you tried the 2 hour dosing to see if that helps, as well as cutting the

1st dose to 7.5? Did any of it help at all??

Kathleen

> > > >

> > > > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble with

my HC dosing.

> > > > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very bad ,I

had nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need to lower

the amount.

> > > > My question is for the dosing.

> > > > I'm on

> > > > 8am 10

> > > > 12 7.5

> > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > 4pm 5

> > > > bedtime 5

> > > > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > > > 8am 7.5

> > > > 10am 2.5

> > > > 12 7.5

> > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > 4pm 5

> > > > bedtime 5

> > > > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my adrenals to

produce more for the day.

> > > > thanks a lot

> > > > Milena

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

I appreciate your input a lot.Today I was for a second day of the dosing with

7.5mg in the morning and I was dsaster.I could not even make it to noon, I had

to make up to 10mg and up to noon I took 20mg. I read also what Val said that

I'm figthing the suppresion not htat the adrenals can't produce the corts.

But it'a not happeneing and I haev all extreme low crts problems,the nausea,the

spining head,feeling I'm floating and will pass out,the sweting and the anxiety

got out of control.I have not have this extreme one since I strted the HC last

year. I sow my doctor today and he is telling me that is not only form the low

cort but form the nuerotranmiter's disbalance and I don't buy it. That reminded

me how was before I started the HC. I don't know if I have any other way and

think from tomorrow to go to this dosing

8am 10mg

12 10mg

3, 3.30 or 4 it depends to how far I make it 5mg

9pm 5mg

I don't know how you did go down from such a high dose to 25mg.I know besides

the weight gain,the face swelling ,the wtre retantion is high corts and that was

mainly why I wanted to lower it but it's not working. I have not checked my

temps but I knowthey are not good with the try of low HC.

Thanks a lot

Milena

> > > > >

> > > > > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble with

my HC dosing.

> > > > > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very bad ,I

had nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need to lower

the amount.

> > > > > My question is for the dosing.

> > > > > I'm on

> > > > > 8am 10

> > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > > > > 8am 7.5

> > > > > 10am 2.5

> > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my adrenals

to produce more for the day.

> > > > > thanks a lot

> > > > > Milena

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

I appreciate your input a lot.Today I was for a second day of the dosing with

7.5mg in the morning and I was dsaster.I could not even make it to noon, I had

to make up to 10mg and up to noon I took 20mg. I read also what Val said that

I'm figthing the suppresion not htat the adrenals can't produce the corts.

But it'a not happeneing and I haev all extreme low crts problems,the nausea,the

spining head,feeling I'm floating and will pass out,the sweting and the anxiety

got out of control.I have not have this extreme one since I strted the HC last

year. I sow my doctor today and he is telling me that is not only form the low

cort but form the nuerotranmiter's disbalance and I don't buy it. That reminded

me how was before I started the HC. I don't know if I have any other way and

think from tomorrow to go to this dosing

8am 10mg

12 10mg

3, 3.30 or 4 it depends to how far I make it 5mg

9pm 5mg

I don't know how you did go down from such a high dose to 25mg.I know besides

the weight gain,the face swelling ,the wtre retantion is high corts and that was

mainly why I wanted to lower it but it's not working. I have not checked my

temps but I knowthey are not good with the try of low HC.

Thanks a lot

Milena

> > > > >

> > > > > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble with

my HC dosing.

> > > > > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very bad ,I

had nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need to lower

the amount.

> > > > > My question is for the dosing.

> > > > > I'm on

> > > > > 8am 10

> > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > > > > 8am 7.5

> > > > > 10am 2.5

> > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my adrenals

to produce more for the day.

> > > > > thanks a lot

> > > > > Milena

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Val,

I tried so many different dosings and it's not working. The last one starting

with 7.5mg in the morning was the worst and I did not makeit to noon. My low

corts symptoms are severe and now I got the extreme anxiety. I haven't had to

this point anxiety since I started the HC last year. I sow my doctor today and

he is trying to tell that is not mainly from low cortisol but from unbalanced

neurotransmiters and I don't think that is the case. You are saying

" It si supression you are

fighting at this poitn rather than can't make enough cortisol. "

I understand that but how one comes out of it if has this extreme issues? Did

you have the same problems when lowering your dose after years being on high

dose? I'm discuraged and don't know how to proceed from here. I'm thinkin of

going to

8am 10mg

12 10mg

3.30 or 4pm 5mg

and to bring my bed time to 9pm from 10pm 5mg

Thanks for your help

Milena

>

> Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> 8am 7.5

> 10am 2.5

> 12 7.5

> 2pm 2.5

> 4pm 5

> bedtime 5

>

> This is an excellent schedule to try, BUT is you find the AM dose is NOT

holding by the same principle, lower the bedtime to 2.5.It si supression you are

fighting at this poitn rather than can't make enough cortisol.

>

> --

>

> http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://faqhelp.webs.com/

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

[Guest guest]

Val,

I tried so many different dosings and it's not working. The last one starting

with 7.5mg in the morning was the worst and I did not makeit to noon. My low

corts symptoms are severe and now I got the extreme anxiety. I haven't had to

this point anxiety since I started the HC last year. I sow my doctor today and

he is trying to tell that is not mainly from low cortisol but from unbalanced

neurotransmiters and I don't think that is the case. You are saying

" It si supression you are

fighting at this poitn rather than can't make enough cortisol. "

I understand that but how one comes out of it if has this extreme issues? Did

you have the same problems when lowering your dose after years being on high

dose? I'm discuraged and don't know how to proceed from here. I'm thinkin of

going to

8am 10mg

12 10mg

3.30 or 4pm 5mg

and to bring my bed time to 9pm from 10pm 5mg

Thanks for your help

Milena

>

> Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> 8am 7.5

> 10am 2.5

> 12 7.5

> 2pm 2.5

> 4pm 5

> bedtime 5

>

> This is an excellent schedule to try, BUT is you find the AM dose is NOT

holding by the same principle, lower the bedtime to 2.5.It si supression you are

fighting at this poitn rather than can't make enough cortisol.

>

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> http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

>

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> http://faqhelp.webs.com/

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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[Guest guest]

I'm sorry for all your troubles! I know well all those symptoms, I think it is

from the adrenaline. I was sitting in my car last week, on the phone with my

husband, telling him I was terrified I was going to pass out and feeling all

spacy and floaty. But I had cut my HC to about 10 or so, so no wonder... And of

course feeling like that leads to panic attacks.

Well, about the suppresion,cutting the bedtime dose will help as later doses

tend to suppress adrenals more than morning ones.

Maybe 7.5 in the am didn't work because you were still taking the 5 at bedtime,

which would tend to suppress your adrenals. Val suggesting stopping the bedtime

dose as that will help your adrenals kick in for the am.

But taking 20 mg in the 1st 4 hours of the day is going to turn your ACTH down

too low I think, which will not help your adrenals to start making their own

cortisol.

I know you said you didn't do well on the 7.5 am, but you only 2.5 at 10 am,

right?

Also, did you ever try going from 35 to 32.5 instead of straight to 30? I know

my doc said not to reduce by more than 2.5 every two weeks and maybe if your

adrenals are suppresed, that's what you need to try.

How about trying 7.5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 2.5, 2.5 and no bedtime dose? That would be at

8, 10, 12, 2, 4, 6, 8 for 32.5 or skip 8 pm if you want to just do 30.

Or if you really can't make it with 7.5 in the am, maybe cut the 8 pm dose and

make the 1st dose 10. I think once you cut the bedtime dose a few days if that

will help you do a 7.5 am after a few days.

Seriously, taking it every 2 hours DOES help wean off but you were doing 7.5,

then 2.5 and I think the 2.5 may have been too little. Yes, you might feel shaky

or anxious a bit until the 10 am dose but I think you can make it. (That's where

the Xanax came in for me...I'm not a drug pusher, but hey, sometimes you gotta

do what you gotta do.)

I actually had to dose tiny doses every 1 and 1/2 hour at one point. I remember

laying in bed, watching the clock and just WAITING to be able to take my next

tiny dose of HC. It wasn't fun. :-(

To be fair to your doc, I am not sure he is correct, but on the other hand,

taking neurotransmitter precursors help me tremendously. I know I have low

serotonin in addition to my cortisol/thryoid problem. Whether one caused the

other, I don't know but I don't care if I can take something and get some

relief. 5htp has helped me a lot with anxiety and panic. Also, theanine and gaba

helps a LOT, too, to calm you down from all this to help you through it. Maybe

the stress of weaning depletes serotonin and makes everything worse. I don't

know.

Kathleen

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble

with my HC dosing.

> > > > > > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very bad

,I had nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need to

lower the amount.

> > > > > > My question is for the dosing.

> > > > > > I'm on

> > > > > > 8am 10

> > > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > > > > > 8am 7.5

> > > > > > 10am 2.5

> > > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my

adrenals to produce more for the day.

> > > > > > thanks a lot

> > > > > > Milena

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry for all your troubles! I know well all those symptoms, I think it is

from the adrenaline. I was sitting in my car last week, on the phone with my

husband, telling him I was terrified I was going to pass out and feeling all

spacy and floaty. But I had cut my HC to about 10 or so, so no wonder... And of

course feeling like that leads to panic attacks.

Well, about the suppresion,cutting the bedtime dose will help as later doses

tend to suppress adrenals more than morning ones.

Maybe 7.5 in the am didn't work because you were still taking the 5 at bedtime,

which would tend to suppress your adrenals. Val suggesting stopping the bedtime

dose as that will help your adrenals kick in for the am.

But taking 20 mg in the 1st 4 hours of the day is going to turn your ACTH down

too low I think, which will not help your adrenals to start making their own

cortisol.

I know you said you didn't do well on the 7.5 am, but you only 2.5 at 10 am,

right?

Also, did you ever try going from 35 to 32.5 instead of straight to 30? I know

my doc said not to reduce by more than 2.5 every two weeks and maybe if your

adrenals are suppresed, that's what you need to try.

How about trying 7.5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 2.5, 2.5 and no bedtime dose? That would be at

8, 10, 12, 2, 4, 6, 8 for 32.5 or skip 8 pm if you want to just do 30.

Or if you really can't make it with 7.5 in the am, maybe cut the 8 pm dose and

make the 1st dose 10. I think once you cut the bedtime dose a few days if that

will help you do a 7.5 am after a few days.

Seriously, taking it every 2 hours DOES help wean off but you were doing 7.5,

then 2.5 and I think the 2.5 may have been too little. Yes, you might feel shaky

or anxious a bit until the 10 am dose but I think you can make it. (That's where

the Xanax came in for me...I'm not a drug pusher, but hey, sometimes you gotta

do what you gotta do.)

I actually had to dose tiny doses every 1 and 1/2 hour at one point. I remember

laying in bed, watching the clock and just WAITING to be able to take my next

tiny dose of HC. It wasn't fun. :-(

To be fair to your doc, I am not sure he is correct, but on the other hand,

taking neurotransmitter precursors help me tremendously. I know I have low

serotonin in addition to my cortisol/thryoid problem. Whether one caused the

other, I don't know but I don't care if I can take something and get some

relief. 5htp has helped me a lot with anxiety and panic. Also, theanine and gaba

helps a LOT, too, to calm you down from all this to help you through it. Maybe

the stress of weaning depletes serotonin and makes everything worse. I don't

know.

Kathleen

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble

with my HC dosing.

> > > > > > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very bad

,I had nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need to

lower the amount.

> > > > > > My question is for the dosing.

> > > > > > I'm on

> > > > > > 8am 10

> > > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > > > > > 8am 7.5

> > > > > > 10am 2.5

> > > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my

adrenals to produce more for the day.

> > > > > > thanks a lot

> > > > > > Milena

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry for all your troubles! I know well all those symptoms, I think it is

from the adrenaline. I was sitting in my car last week, on the phone with my

husband, telling him I was terrified I was going to pass out and feeling all

spacy and floaty. But I had cut my HC to about 10 or so, so no wonder... And of

course feeling like that leads to panic attacks.

Well, about the suppresion,cutting the bedtime dose will help as later doses

tend to suppress adrenals more than morning ones.

Maybe 7.5 in the am didn't work because you were still taking the 5 at bedtime,

which would tend to suppress your adrenals. Val suggesting stopping the bedtime

dose as that will help your adrenals kick in for the am.

But taking 20 mg in the 1st 4 hours of the day is going to turn your ACTH down

too low I think, which will not help your adrenals to start making their own

cortisol.

I know you said you didn't do well on the 7.5 am, but you only 2.5 at 10 am,

right?

Also, did you ever try going from 35 to 32.5 instead of straight to 30? I know

my doc said not to reduce by more than 2.5 every two weeks and maybe if your

adrenals are suppresed, that's what you need to try.

How about trying 7.5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 2.5, 2.5 and no bedtime dose? That would be at

8, 10, 12, 2, 4, 6, 8 for 32.5 or skip 8 pm if you want to just do 30.

Or if you really can't make it with 7.5 in the am, maybe cut the 8 pm dose and

make the 1st dose 10. I think once you cut the bedtime dose a few days if that

will help you do a 7.5 am after a few days.

Seriously, taking it every 2 hours DOES help wean off but you were doing 7.5,

then 2.5 and I think the 2.5 may have been too little. Yes, you might feel shaky

or anxious a bit until the 10 am dose but I think you can make it. (That's where

the Xanax came in for me...I'm not a drug pusher, but hey, sometimes you gotta

do what you gotta do.)

I actually had to dose tiny doses every 1 and 1/2 hour at one point. I remember

laying in bed, watching the clock and just WAITING to be able to take my next

tiny dose of HC. It wasn't fun. :-(

To be fair to your doc, I am not sure he is correct, but on the other hand,

taking neurotransmitter precursors help me tremendously. I know I have low

serotonin in addition to my cortisol/thryoid problem. Whether one caused the

other, I don't know but I don't care if I can take something and get some

relief. 5htp has helped me a lot with anxiety and panic. Also, theanine and gaba

helps a LOT, too, to calm you down from all this to help you through it. Maybe

the stress of weaning depletes serotonin and makes everything worse. I don't

know.

Kathleen

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble

with my HC dosing.

> > > > > > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very bad

,I had nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need to

lower the amount.

> > > > > > My question is for the dosing.

> > > > > > I'm on

> > > > > > 8am 10

> > > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > > > > > 8am 7.5

> > > > > > 10am 2.5

> > > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my

adrenals to produce more for the day.

> > > > > > thanks a lot

> > > > > > Milena

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

I went down with 5mg.That what Val said for bed time makes sence but I hardly

coould make it with 2.5mg when I was taking the 27,5 mg forthe day and went back

to 5bed time. I like your suggestion for the dosing and I think I will got for

it. What you are saying about the xanax makes sence and I'm thinking if I need a

few days for lowering the dose it's all worthed.I have clonopin and should do

the trick.

Kathleen what about the neurotransmiters? I'm curently taking just 5-HTP but

nothing else.

Do you mind emailing you privately about the meurotransmiters ,since it's not a

topic for the forum.

Thanks so much again Kathleen

Milena

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble

with my HC dosing.

> > > > > > > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very

bad ,I had nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need

to lower the amount.

> > > > > > > My question is for the dosing.

> > > > > > > I'm on

> > > > > > > 8am 10

> > > > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > > > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > > > > > > 8am 7.5

> > > > > > > 10am 2.5

> > > > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > > > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my

adrenals to produce more for the day.

> > > > > > > thanks a lot

> > > > > > > Milena

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

I went down with 5mg.That what Val said for bed time makes sence but I hardly

coould make it with 2.5mg when I was taking the 27,5 mg forthe day and went back

to 5bed time. I like your suggestion for the dosing and I think I will got for

it. What you are saying about the xanax makes sence and I'm thinking if I need a

few days for lowering the dose it's all worthed.I have clonopin and should do

the trick.

Kathleen what about the neurotransmiters? I'm curently taking just 5-HTP but

nothing else.

Do you mind emailing you privately about the meurotransmiters ,since it's not a

topic for the forum.

Thanks so much again Kathleen

Milena

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble

with my HC dosing.

> > > > > > > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very

bad ,I had nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need

to lower the amount.

> > > > > > > My question is for the dosing.

> > > > > > > I'm on

> > > > > > > 8am 10

> > > > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > > > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > > > > > > 8am 7.5

> > > > > > > 10am 2.5

> > > > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > > > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my

adrenals to produce more for the day.

> > > > > > > thanks a lot

> > > > > > > Milena

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have ALOT of anxiety too, for 6 years now. I am very dizzy everyday ....bright lights make it worse and walking in stores are the hardest. Everytime I read about adrenal fatigue it talks about low cortisol, what about low in the morning, and high in the afternoon and evening??? Is that adrenal fatigue? I have HC but afraid to take it. She told me to take 5mg in the morning. I guess the anxiety makes me fear medication, and thinking it is going to cause more anxiety. Liz

I'm sorry for all your troubles! I know well all those symptoms, I think it is from the adrenaline. I was sitting in my car last week, on the phone with my husband, telling him I was terrified I was going to pass out and feeling all spacy and floaty. But I had cut my HC to about 10 or so, so no wonder... And of course feeling like that leads to panic attacks.

Well, about the suppresion,cutting the bedtime dose will help as later doses tend to suppress adrenals more than morning ones.

Maybe 7.5 in the am didn't work because you were still taking the 5 at bedtime, which would tend to suppress your adrenals. Val suggesting stopping the bedtime dose as that will help your adrenals kick in for the am.

But taking 20 mg in the 1st 4 hours of the day is going to turn your ACTH down too low I think, which will not help your adrenals to start making their own cortisol.

I know you said you didn't do well on the 7.5 am, but you only 2.5 at 10 am, right?

Also, did you ever try going from 35 to 32.5 instead of straight to 30? I know my doc said not to reduce by more than 2.5 every two weeks and maybe if your adrenals are suppresed, that's what you need to try.

How about trying 7.5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 2.5, 2.5 and no bedtime dose? That would be at 8, 10, 12, 2, 4, 6, 8 for 32.5 or skip 8 pm if you want to just do 30.

Or if you really can't make it with 7.5 in the am, maybe cut the 8 pm dose and make the 1st dose 10. I think once you cut the bedtime dose a few days if that will help you do a 7.5 am after a few days.

Seriously, taking it every 2 hours DOES help wean off but you were doing 7.5, then 2.5 and I think the 2.5 may have been too little. Yes, you might feel shaky or anxious a bit until the 10 am dose but I think you can make it. (That's where the Xanax came in for me...I'm not a drug pusher, but hey, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.)

I actually had to dose tiny doses every 1 and 1/2 hour at one point. I remember laying in bed, watching the clock and just WAITING to be able to take my next tiny dose of HC. It wasn't fun. :-(

To be fair to your doc, I am not sure he is correct, but on the other hand, taking neurotransmitter precursors help me tremendously. I know I have low serotonin in addition to my cortisol/thryoid problem. Whether one caused the other, I don't know but I don't care if I can take something and get some relief. 5htp has helped me a lot with anxiety and panic. Also, theanine and gaba helps a LOT, too, to calm you down from all this to help you through it. Maybe the stress of weaning depletes serotonin and makes everything worse. I don't know.

Kathleen

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big truble with my HC dosing.

> > > > > > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very bad ,I had nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need to lower the amount.

> > > > > > My question is for the dosing.

> > > > > > I'm on

> > > > > > 8am 10

> > > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > > > > > 8am 7.5

> > > > > > 10am 2.5

> > > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my adrenals to produce more for the day.

> > > > > > thanks a lot

> > > > > > Milena

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Liz,

I know that for healthy adrenals the pattern has to be highest cortisol level in

morning and to fall in the night. Before you get to the exhosted adrenals you go

through a different stages but I can't help you with that.I think you should

post your results on the adrenal forum and the great emoderators will help you

and tell you exactly you need to do. From what you are saying it seems you have

some adrenal issue and don't have to wait to get extreme to start to treat them.

Hope this helps a little.

Milena

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big

truble with my HC dosing.

> > > > > > > > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very

bad ,I had nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need

to lower the amount.

> > > > > > > > My question is for the dosing.

> > > > > > > > I'm on

> > > > > > > > 8am 10

> > > > > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > > > > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > > > > > > > 8am 7.5

> > > > > > > > 10am 2.5

> > > > > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > > > > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my

adrenals to produce more for the day.

> > > > > > > > thanks a lot

> > > > > > > > Milena

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Liz,

I know that for healthy adrenals the pattern has to be highest cortisol level in

morning and to fall in the night. Before you get to the exhosted adrenals you go

through a different stages but I can't help you with that.I think you should

post your results on the adrenal forum and the great emoderators will help you

and tell you exactly you need to do. From what you are saying it seems you have

some adrenal issue and don't have to wait to get extreme to start to treat them.

Hope this helps a little.

Milena

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Val, I'm not sure I should post this here but I'm in a big

truble with my HC dosing.

> > > > > > > > I'm on 30mg HC for 10 days and still have issues,today was very

bad ,I had nausea 2 times but I don't want to give up,because I beleive I need

to lower the amount.

> > > > > > > > My question is for the dosing.

> > > > > > > > I'm on

> > > > > > > > 8am 10

> > > > > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > > > > Is it ok if I try every 2 hours like that

> > > > > > > > 8am 7.5

> > > > > > > > 10am 2.5

> > > > > > > > 12 7.5

> > > > > > > > 2pm 2.5

> > > > > > > > 4pm 5

> > > > > > > > bedtime 5

> > > > > > > > I just wonder if startign with 7.5 in the morning may let my

adrenals to produce more for the day.

> > > > > > > > thanks a lot

> > > > > > > > Milena

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>