Re: Iron - Ferrous Glycinate

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Chrissie is asking cause I found that Iron Bis-Glycinate and it is

seemingly more absorbable than other irons.

And just found something about Calcium Bis-Glycinate...

" While calcium citrate is superior to most commercial calcium

supplements, there are two other forms of calcium that have shown better

solubility and absorption. When the chelating agent malic acid is added

to calcium citrate, calcium citrate malate is created, a compound that

is 10 times more soluble than calcium citrate.

" Solubility " refers to the amount of a mineral that can be dissolved in

water at a neutral ph. If stomach acid levels are high, most forms of

calcium are soluble. But as people grow older, the need for a soluble

form of calcium can become critical. Based on human absorption studies,

calcium citrate malate is about 30% more absorbable than calcium

citrate. Calcium is first solubilized in the stomach, and then absorbed

into the bloodstream through the intestine. A highly alkaline intestine

can interfere with calcium absorption, but vitamin D3 can increase

intestinal absorption.

The most absorbable form of calcium is called calcium bis-glycinate.

This form of calcium is 205 times more soluble than calcium citrate. In

human studies, calcium bis-glycinate was shown to absorb 1.8 times

better (180%) than calcium citrate and 21% better than calcium citrate

malate. "

Vitalady...any input from you? Or is this new to you, too?

Blessings,

Lou

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Starting Wt.: 530

Current Wt.: 208

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you. " 2 Kings 20:5

[Guest guest]

It is OK, does not constipate usually. In theory it is OK. I've not gotten

the very BEST results with this one, over all.

Thanks,

www.vitalady.com

Iron - Ferrous Glycinate

> Anyone heard of Ferrous Glycinate and know whether we absorb this kind or

> not? It is supposed to be better on the bowels, I believe. (Less

> constipation?)

>

> Chrissie

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[Guest guest]

The gylcinate, bisglycinate & trisglycinate seem to get along with people

just fine, but didn't zoom their labs way up. I had them each, in turn, but

got those sort of mixed results. They were too expensive per dose, I

thought, to not get a better average result. So, not negative, just not rave

reviews from our point of view.

AS for deviating from calcium citrate, you are the test case. Go for it. I

tested the calcium carbonate for you and got empty bones for my trouble.

So, if you want to test this one, please do. Just get that dexascan so you

know if it worked or not, OK?

Thanks,

www.vitalady.com

Re: Iron - Ferrous Glycinate

> Chrissie is asking cause I found that Iron Bis-Glycinate and it is

> seemingly more absorbable than other irons.

>

> And just found something about Calcium Bis-Glycinate...

>

> " While calcium citrate is superior to most commercial calcium

> supplements, there are two other forms of calcium that have shown better

> solubility and absorption. When the chelating agent malic acid is added

> to calcium citrate, calcium citrate malate is created, a compound that

> is 10 times more soluble than calcium citrate.

>

> " Solubility " refers to the amount of a mineral that can be dissolved in

> water at a neutral ph. If stomach acid levels are high, most forms of

> calcium are soluble. But as people grow older, the need for a soluble

> form of calcium can become critical. Based on human absorption studies,

> calcium citrate malate is about 30% more absorbable than calcium

> citrate. Calcium is first solubilized in the stomach, and then absorbed

> into the bloodstream through the intestine. A highly alkaline intestine

> can interfere with calcium absorption, but vitamin D3 can increase

> intestinal absorption.

>

> The most absorbable form of calcium is called calcium bis-glycinate.

> This form of calcium is 205 times more soluble than calcium citrate. In

> human studies, calcium bis-glycinate was shown to absorb 1.8 times

> better (180%) than calcium citrate and 21% better than calcium citrate

> malate. "

>

> Vitalady...any input from you? Or is this new to you, too?

>

> Blessings,

> Lou

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Unable to locate coffee. Operator halted.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> 2 Years, 3 months Post Op ~ Loss: 322 Pounds!

> Starting Wt.: 530

> Current Wt.: 208

> http://www.ptl4wls.com

> " I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears. Surely..I will heal

> you. " 2 Kings 20:5

>

>

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

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>

[Guest guest]

The gylcinate, bisglycinate & trisglycinate seem to get along with people

just fine, but didn't zoom their labs way up. I had them each, in turn, but

got those sort of mixed results. They were too expensive per dose, I

thought, to not get a better average result. So, not negative, just not rave

reviews from our point of view.

AS for deviating from calcium citrate, you are the test case. Go for it. I

tested the calcium carbonate for you and got empty bones for my trouble.

So, if you want to test this one, please do. Just get that dexascan so you

know if it worked or not, OK?

Thanks,

www.vitalady.com

Re: Iron - Ferrous Glycinate

> Chrissie is asking cause I found that Iron Bis-Glycinate and it is

> seemingly more absorbable than other irons.

>

> And just found something about Calcium Bis-Glycinate...

>

> " While calcium citrate is superior to most commercial calcium

> supplements, there are two other forms of calcium that have shown better

> solubility and absorption. When the chelating agent malic acid is added

> to calcium citrate, calcium citrate malate is created, a compound that

> is 10 times more soluble than calcium citrate.

>

> " Solubility " refers to the amount of a mineral that can be dissolved in

> water at a neutral ph. If stomach acid levels are high, most forms of

> calcium are soluble. But as people grow older, the need for a soluble

> form of calcium can become critical. Based on human absorption studies,

> calcium citrate malate is about 30% more absorbable than calcium

> citrate. Calcium is first solubilized in the stomach, and then absorbed

> into the bloodstream through the intestine. A highly alkaline intestine

> can interfere with calcium absorption, but vitamin D3 can increase

> intestinal absorption.

>

> The most absorbable form of calcium is called calcium bis-glycinate.

> This form of calcium is 205 times more soluble than calcium citrate. In

> human studies, calcium bis-glycinate was shown to absorb 1.8 times

> better (180%) than calcium citrate and 21% better than calcium citrate

> malate. "

>

> Vitalady...any input from you? Or is this new to you, too?

>

> Blessings,

> Lou

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Unable to locate coffee. Operator halted.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> 2 Years, 3 months Post Op ~ Loss: 322 Pounds!

> Starting Wt.: 530

> Current Wt.: 208

> http://www.ptl4wls.com

> " I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears. Surely..I will heal

> you. " 2 Kings 20:5

>

>

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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I dont plan to switch from the citrate. Dont want empty bones! lol

But the iron I did buy, since the other iron supps bother me, and this

is better than none.

Also, it was cheaper. Only $5.00 for 3 months supply. Without any iron

sups, my labs have been great, so I am sure this will help.

Thanks for the info, . =o)

Blessings,

Lou

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Only your real friends will tell you when your face is dirty

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2 Years, 3 months Post Op ~ Loss: 322 Pounds!

Starting Wt.: 530

Current Wt.: 208

http://www.ptl4wls.com

" I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears. Surely..I will heal

you. " 2 Kings 20:5

[Guest guest]

> The gylcinate, bisglycinate & trisglycinate seem to get along with people

just fine, but didn't zoom their labs way up. I had them each, in turn, but

got those sort of mixed results.

>>>>>>>>>>

if you are having trouble getting those iron numbers up, add 2mg. of copper

to your iron each day. I've said it before [check the archives] and I'll

say it again......... it makes a difference! my iron is high normal since

doing the copper. it had gotten very low before. even my local nurse

practitioner and surgeon commented about it rising. they also commented

that it typically takes months and months to get any substantial rise out of

it. mine was quick - like 2-3 months - zoom!

I'm telling you this works - it aids absorption - its in THE BOOK. the book

being Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements which several of us refer to

now.

Sue

[swVA]

[Guest guest]

> The gylcinate, bisglycinate & trisglycinate seem to get along with people

just fine, but didn't zoom their labs way up. I had them each, in turn, but

got those sort of mixed results.

>>>>>>>>>>

if you are having trouble getting those iron numbers up, add 2mg. of copper

to your iron each day. I've said it before [check the archives] and I'll

say it again......... it makes a difference! my iron is high normal since

doing the copper. it had gotten very low before. even my local nurse

practitioner and surgeon commented about it rising. they also commented

that it typically takes months and months to get any substantial rise out of

it. mine was quick - like 2-3 months - zoom!

I'm telling you this works - it aids absorption - its in THE BOOK. the book

being Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements which several of us refer to

now.

Sue

[swVA]

[Guest guest]

I have been taking Ferrous Iron for almost four years. Three years pre and 19

months post. My PCP is thrilled and my WLS surgeon and nutrionist are unsure.

But ALL my tests come back A+++! The Ferrous Iron is sooooo much cheaper and

best of all does not cause constipation. They are also soooo small that I

have to double check my hand to make sure I took them! Ask the pharamist for

the Ferrous Iron that he keeps BEHIND the counter. I paid $9.99 for 1000

pills! Check with your PCP before switching. You see him much more than the

WLS surgeon! This is my $9.99 cents worth!

Barbara

[Guest guest]

I have been taking Ferrous Iron for almost four years. Three years pre and 19

months post. My PCP is thrilled and my WLS surgeon and nutrionist are unsure.

But ALL my tests come back A+++! The Ferrous Iron is sooooo much cheaper and

best of all does not cause constipation. They are also soooo small that I

have to double check my hand to make sure I took them! Ask the pharamist for

the Ferrous Iron that he keeps BEHIND the counter. I paid $9.99 for 1000

pills! Check with your PCP before switching. You see him much more than the

WLS surgeon! This is my $9.99 cents worth!

Barbara

[Guest guest]

Iron

[Guest guest]

All forms of Iron are Ferrous *something.* I started with Ferrous Sulfate

and it was worthless for me and I am a short proximal. I went on to Ferrous

??? A gentle iron, still no results. I then went onto Ferrous Fumerate in a

prescription form with B, C and intrinsic factor and have been fine since.

Just know there are many forms of Iron and they all have different molecular

size with effects absorption. It may have high milligrams but low absorbable

mgs. Of course can tell you the difference, all I know is what

finally worked for me.

) Vicki

In a message dated 12/17/2001 10:45:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,

sbprasetyo@... writes:

> I have been taking Ferrous Iron for almost four years. Three years pre and

19

>

> months post. My PCP is thrilled and my WLS surgeon and nutrionist are

unsure.

>

> But ALL my tests come back A+++! The Ferrous Iron is sooooo much cheaper

and

>

> best of all does not cause constipation. They are also soooo small that I

> have to double check my hand to make sure I took them! Ask the pharamist

> for

> the Ferrous Iron that he keeps BEHIND the counter. I paid $9.99 for 1000

> pills! Check with your PCP before switching. You see him much more than

the

> WLS surgeon! This is my $9.99 cents worth!

> Barbara

[Guest guest]

I use the sulfate and it doesnt bother me at all. I dont have an iron

deficiency so I guess it's okay.

flo

[Guest guest]

Y'know, a person could go broke with all these remedies, wow. The way I woof

down those yummy calcium tablets for sure I will! I'd like for someone to

come up with ONE pill for it all, like totally cheap! hehe, may as well

dream big.

hugzzz

flo

[Guest guest]

Y'know, a person could go broke with all these remedies, wow. The way I woof

down those yummy calcium tablets for sure I will! I'd like for someone to

come up with ONE pill for it all, like totally cheap! hehe, may as well

dream big.

hugzzz

flo

[Guest guest]

Yes supplements can be expensive, but they are way less expensive than morbid

obesity, overeating and all the other expenses associated with it . . . I'll

take the supps and size 8 and whatever any old day.

) Vicki

In a message dated 12/17/2001 2:10:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, Flozzz writes:

> Y'know, a person could go broke with all these remedies, wow. The way I

> woof down those yummy calcium tablets for sure I will! I'd like for

someone

> to come up with ONE pill for it all, like totally cheap! hehe, may as well

> dream big.

>

> hugzzz

> flo

[Guest guest]

WOW, over my head that's for sure. So now I have a question for you, is this

other form found in iron nutritional supplements Vs just iron? All the

supplemental irons I have tried and seen have been ferrous . . . so what does

the ferric mean in terms of molecular size (bigger w/3 O2 molecules?) and how

would that effect absorption/bioavailability??? Thanks. Here is a ventured

guess, since iron is important for the transport of O2 to tissues in the

body, a less saturated +2 would be preferable to more saturated as that would

be a bigger molecule and it would have a harder time carrying O2? (This is

just a guess, I hope you know the answer?)

) Vicki

In a message dated 12/17/2001 3:46:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,

saraaz@... writes:

> I disagree with the statement " All forms of Iron are Ferrous *something.* " .

> Iron has oxidation states from -2 to +6. The most common oxidation states

> for iron are +2 and +3. Ferrous refers to bivalent iron, iron having an

> oxidation state of +2. Ferric refers to trivalent iron, iron having an

> oxidation state of +3. Ferrous bis-glycinate obviously conjugated iron n

> the +2 oxidation state, whereas ferric tris-glycinate is +3, etc, etc.

> Likewise, for other elements possessing multiple oxidation states, the

-ous

> ending is always before the -ic ending.

> Sara

[Guest guest]

gads, y'all are getting into the nitty gritty here, we must have some

chemists or pharmacists on this list? wow.

hugzzz

flo

[Guest guest]

Ferrous WHAT?

Thanks,

www.vitalady.com

Re: Iron - Ferrous Glycinate

> I have been taking Ferrous Iron for almost four years. Three years pre and

19

> months post. My PCP is thrilled and my WLS surgeon and nutrionist are

unsure.

> But ALL my tests come back A+++! The Ferrous Iron is sooooo much cheaper

and

> best of all does not cause constipation. They are also soooo small that I

> have to double check my hand to make sure I took them! Ask the pharamist

for

> the Ferrous Iron that he keeps BEHIND the counter. I paid $9.99 for 1000

> pills! Check with your PCP before switching. You see him much more than

the

> WLS surgeon! This is my $9.99 cents worth!

> Barbara

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ferrous WHAT?

Thanks,

www.vitalady.com

Re: Iron - Ferrous Glycinate

> I have been taking Ferrous Iron for almost four years. Three years pre and

19

> months post. My PCP is thrilled and my WLS surgeon and nutrionist are

unsure.

> But ALL my tests come back A+++! The Ferrous Iron is sooooo much cheaper

and

> best of all does not cause constipation. They are also soooo small that I

> have to double check my hand to make sure I took them! Ask the pharamist

for

> the Ferrous Iron that he keeps BEHIND the counter. I paid $9.99 for 1000

> pills! Check with your PCP before switching. You see him much more than

the

> WLS surgeon! This is my $9.99 cents worth!

> Barbara

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ferrous means iron, so what form is it. Gluconate? Sulfate? Fumarate? If

it's working, I'd love to know!

Thanks,

www.vitalady.com

Re: Iron - Ferrous Glycinate

> Iron

>

>

[Guest guest]

To determine the type and amount of iron included in the medicine you

are taking we would need more information. Ferrous means iron, but the type

is determined by the word after it- like sulfate, gluconate, glycinate, etc.

Then we would need to know the mg dose. A common one is Ferrous sulfate 325

mg.

The amount of iron we absorb (or not) is determined by the type of

surgery we had done, so some types of iron would work for some people and

not for others.

Lower doses of elemental iron cause less constipation than higher doses

do. Also certain types of iron are less constipating than others, so the

word after the ferrous would help clarify this also. Thanks for passing

your info along to the rest of us.

Dr. Carolyn

Re: Iron - Ferrous Glycinate

I have been taking Ferrous Iron for almost four years. Three years pre and

19

months post. My PCP is thrilled and my WLS surgeon and nutrionist are

unsure.

But ALL my tests come back A+++! The Ferrous Iron is sooooo much cheaper and

best of all does not cause constipation. They are also soooo small that I

have to double check my hand to make sure I took them! Ask the pharamist

for

the Ferrous Iron that he keeps BEHIND the counter. I paid $9.99 for 1000

pills! Check with your PCP before switching. You see him much more than the

WLS surgeon! This is my $9.99 cents worth!

Barbara

Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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[Guest guest]

To determine the type and amount of iron included in the medicine you

are taking we would need more information. Ferrous means iron, but the type

is determined by the word after it- like sulfate, gluconate, glycinate, etc.

Then we would need to know the mg dose. A common one is Ferrous sulfate 325

mg.

The amount of iron we absorb (or not) is determined by the type of

surgery we had done, so some types of iron would work for some people and

not for others.

Lower doses of elemental iron cause less constipation than higher doses

do. Also certain types of iron are less constipating than others, so the

word after the ferrous would help clarify this also. Thanks for passing

your info along to the rest of us.

Dr. Carolyn

Re: Iron - Ferrous Glycinate

I have been taking Ferrous Iron for almost four years. Three years pre and

19

months post. My PCP is thrilled and my WLS surgeon and nutrionist are

unsure.

But ALL my tests come back A+++! The Ferrous Iron is sooooo much cheaper and

best of all does not cause constipation. They are also soooo small that I

have to double check my hand to make sure I took them! Ask the pharamist

for

the Ferrous Iron that he keeps BEHIND the counter. I paid $9.99 for 1000

pills! Check with your PCP before switching. You see him much more than the

WLS surgeon! This is my $9.99 cents worth!

Barbara

Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

[Guest guest]

nah, i cant stand tums... i'm using WalMarts brand of those chocolat

chewables. sometimes i eat too many. my fingernails are growing beautifully.

hugzzz

flo

[Guest guest]

nah, i cant stand tums... i'm using WalMarts brand of those chocolat

chewables. sometimes i eat too many. my fingernails are growing beautifully.

hugzzz

flo

[Guest guest]

Yes, I would like to find ONE calcium citrate pill to take ONCE A DAY that is

sold in huge quantities at a cheap price!