Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Wow Roni! That is awesome to read that your fingers are loose enough for Dr. W to pluck! I was happy to read that.....Thanks for sharing...I am sure Dr. W was impressed how you are doing! Debbie Re: rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment > > > > rheumatic@grou> > ps.com <mailto:rheumatic%> > > > 40groups.> > com> > > > > > > > > Hi Amy, > > > > > You certainly responded in a hurry. > > > > > Your questions: > > > > > 1) The hormone drops are available from most any > > > > > compounding pharmacy. We get ours from Weise Pharmacy, > > ville, FL > > > > > 2) A doctor has to prescribe the sublinqual drops. > > > > > > > > 3) You can contact Arthritis Consulting Services > > (stoparthritis.> > > com) > > > > > for info for you and your doctor. > > > > > > > > Good Luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, . I just love reading all this good news. Can you > > tell me > > > > > > where you get the hormone drops. Are these sublingual or > > transdermal? > > > > > > Is it a prescription? > > > > > > > > > > > I know they are doing studies on hormones for RA, but it takes the > > > > > > medical community so long to get anywhere. I think there are many > > > > > > people that could be helped. Not everyone, but certainly some. Dr. > > > > > > Simeons writes about this hormone effect in his book called > > Pounds and > > > > > > Inches. This is a free book on the internet. > > > > > > > > > > > I can vouch for having low testosterone. I'm taking > > testosterone cream > > > > > > and progesterone. One thing that had definitely been helping > > me lately > > > > > > is vitamin K. I take a bunch, and if I don't take it, pains > > start to > > > > > > come back. > > > > > > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > > > > > > Wiesboeck wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Leonie, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was nice to hear from you. It goes back to the old times, > > for us. > > > > > > > Fortunately, RA is a thing of the past > > > > > > > for nne. Although she still needs the hormone drops, her RA > > > > > > > symptoms are gone and she feels fine. > > > > > > > She still is lacking somewhat in energy but that may be > > related to > > > > > > > other things, and being 76 puts on some > > > > > > > limitations too. We like to think it should go back to what is > > > > was 10 > > > > > > > and 20 years ago (don't we wish). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, the hormone treatment of RA (this means RA only) is > > > > according to > > > > > > > my wife's experience a dream > > > > > > > come true. As I mentioned earlier, there are no problematic > > side > > > > effects > > > > > > > and the treatment is so fast, painless and > > > > > > > without bad feelings. No Herx, no stomach problems, no immune > > > > issues, > > > > > > > nothing !! nne was so glad > > > > > > > to get off all the medications and pain killers. Her nutrition > > > > is on the > > > > > > > healthy side ( limitted dairy, very little sugar)but nothing > > > > extreme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the application of the Liefmann Protocol, the sublinqual > > hormone > > > > > > > drops are taken three times a day and as the picture improves > > > > > > > the dose is gradually reduced. After four months, she switched > > > > to twice > > > > > > > a day which is her present routine. > > > > > > > By now, she is at about 40% of the initial dose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar to the AP, the treatment is guided by symptoms. If the > > > > dose is > > > > > > > reduced too much ,RA symptoms like > > > > > > > finger stiffness comes back. The ability to make a closed fist > > > > is a good > > > > > > > indicator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The hormone dose is similarly guided by symptoms and feeling. > > > > There is a > > > > > > > list of symptoms for estrogen and > > > > > > > testosterone being to high or too low and it is easily > > corrected. > > > > > > > Ever since nne is on the Liefmann protocol all her lab > > data are > > > > > > > back to normal. > > > > > > > Osteo arthritis is also controlled by the Liefmann protocol ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the prime question, estrogen and hormone related cancers. I > > > > > > > thoroughly studied this aspect for obvious reasons and came > > up with > > > > > > > some surprising and reassuring information. First of all, the > > > > overall > > > > > > > treatment of about 23,000 patients with the > > > > > > > Liefmann treatment showed no problems with cancer. > > > > > > > A literature survey revealed that testosterone has > > preventive and > > > > > > > protective properties when it comes to " female " > > > > > > > cancers. In a study at the Lousiana Menopause Clinic, 4000 > > women > > > > were > > > > > > > treated with testosterone supplementation. > > > > > > > In the well documented study, the group taking testosterone > > had a > > > > > > > cancer rate of less than half (46%) than that > > > > > > > of the control group. > > > > > > > Also, RA patients (male and female) typically have a subnormal > > > > > > > testosterone level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To insure safety from cancer in general, nne applies dermal > > > > > > > Progesterone ( 100 mg /day) to avoid estrogen > > > > > > > dominance, takes DIM (di-indolylmethane) and eats many brassica > > > > > > > vegetables (broccoli) to control the 2/16 metabolite > > > > > > > ratio. See: http://www.tahoma-> clinic.com/> > > hrtbreastcancer.> > > > > > > shtml > > > > > > <http://www.tahoma-> clinic.com/> hrtbreastcancer.> > > shtml> > > > > > > > <http://www.tahoma-> clinic.com/> hrtbreastcancer.> > > shtml > > > > > > <http://www.tahoma-> clinic.com/> hrtbreastcancer.> > > shtml>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leonie, being in Australia it would be best if you find a > > > > cooperative > > > > > > > doctor (your family doctor is probably the best choice, > > > > > > > rheumatologists are the worst) who is willing to help you and > > > > contact > > > > > > > stoparthritis.> > > com for info. They will work with your > > > > > > > doctor and provide all the info he/she needs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============> > > =========> =========> =========> =========> > > > > =========> =========> =========> =========> ========== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Not Amy, but Dr. Lee has two good books on hormones. One is about menopause and the other is about breast cancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 If you are juicing, then chances are you are already getting plenty of DIM and or doing all you can on all health issues, including possible estrogen issues. As you've pointed out, and I agree with you, diet is numero uno for reducing inflammation & helping reduce health problems. I'm not sure of the best web pages for this info, but heres a few that explain how DIM is an ingredient from crucierous veggies: http://www.naturodoc.com/library/hormones/diindolymethane.htm http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_May/ai_85131533 Amy rbarna dejazzd.com wrote: > > Thanks Amy, > > Where are you getting your information from? Is there a book, resource > that I can get to read about this? If there is a connection between > hormones and auto-immune conditions, then what people who are > predisposed to family history do to normalize this? Just use foods? > Any other info or resources that you have would be appreciated! > > BTW- prior to going on AP, I dropped my numbers from greater than > 5,000 just by juicing, changing my diet and lots and lots of > supplements. Today I'm off to the store to start my juicing regime again. > > When I went to Dr. Whitman this past week, he kept plucking at my skin > on my hands and arms and kept saying that this is " most unusual " to be > able to pull up the skin on my knuckles after having scleroderma for > so long. Whew! I thought that was good news! > > Thanks! > > Roni > > Re: rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment > > > > > rheumatic@grou> > ps.com <mailto:rheumatic%> > > > > 40groups.> > com> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Amy, > > > > > > You certainly responded in a hurry. > > > > > > Your questions: > > > > > > 1) The hormone drops are available from most any > > > > > > compounding pharmacy. We get ours from Weise Pharmacy, > > > ville, FL > > > > > > 2) A doctor has to prescribe the sublinqual drops. > > > > > > > > > > 3) You can contact Arthritis Consulting Services > > > (stoparthritis.> > > com) > > > > > > for info for you and your doctor. > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, . I just love reading all this good news. Can you > > > tell me > > > > > > > where you get the hormone drops. Are these sublingual or > > > transdermal? > > > > > > > Is it a prescription? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know they are doing studies on hormones for RA, but it > takes the > > > > > > > medical community so long to get anywhere. I think there > are many > > > > > > > people that could be helped. Not everyone, but certainly > some. Dr. > > > > > > > Simeons writes about this hormone effect in his book called > > > Pounds and > > > > > > > Inches. This is a free book on the internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can vouch for having low testosterone. I'm taking > > > testosterone cream > > > > > > > and progesterone. One thing that had definitely been helping > > > me lately > > > > > > > is vitamin K. I take a bunch, and if I don't take it, pains > > > start to > > > > > > > come back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wiesboeck wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Leonie, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was nice to hear from you. It goes back to the old > times, > > > for us. > > > > > > > > Fortunately, RA is a thing of the past > > > > > > > > for nne. Although she still needs the hormone > drops, her RA > > > > > > > > symptoms are gone and she feels fine. > > > > > > > > She still is lacking somewhat in energy but that may be > > > related to > > > > > > > > other things, and being 76 puts on some > > > > > > > > limitations too. We like to think it should go back to > what is > > > > > was 10 > > > > > > > > and 20 years ago (don't we wish). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, the hormone treatment of RA (this means RA only) is > > > > > according to > > > > > > > > my wife's experience a dream > > > > > > > > come true. As I mentioned earlier, there are no problematic > > > side > > > > > effects > > > > > > > > and the treatment is so fast, painless and > > > > > > > > without bad feelings. No Herx, no stomach problems, no > immune > > > > > issues, > > > > > > > > nothing !! nne was so glad > > > > > > > > to get off all the medications and pain killers. Her > nutrition > > > > > is on the > > > > > > > > healthy side ( limitted dairy, very little sugar)but nothing > > > > > extreme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the application of the Liefmann Protocol, the sublinqual > > > hormone > > > > > > > > drops are taken three times a day and as the picture > improves > > > > > > > > the dose is gradually reduced. After four months, she > switched > > > > > to twice > > > > > > > > a day which is her present routine. > > > > > > > > By now, she is at about 40% of the initial dose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar to the AP, the treatment is guided by symptoms. > If the > > > > > dose is > > > > > > > > reduced too much ,RA symptoms like > > > > > > > > finger stiffness comes back. The ability to make a > closed fist > > > > > is a good > > > > > > > > indicator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The hormone dose is similarly guided by symptoms and > feeling. > > > > > There is a > > > > > > > > list of symptoms for estrogen and > > > > > > > > testosterone being to high or too low and it is easily > > > corrected. > > > > > > > > Ever since nne is on the Liefmann protocol all her lab > > > data are > > > > > > > > back to normal. > > > > > > > > Osteo arthritis is also controlled by the Liefmann > protocol ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the prime question, estrogen and hormone related > cancers. I > > > > > > > > thoroughly studied this aspect for obvious reasons and came > > > up with > > > > > > > > some surprising and reassuring information. First of > all, the > > > > > overall > > > > > > > > treatment of about 23,000 patients with the > > > > > > > > Liefmann treatment showed no problems with cancer. > > > > > > > > A literature survey revealed that testosterone has > > > preventive and > > > > > > > > protective properties when it comes to " female " > > > > > > > > cancers. In a study at the Lousiana Menopause Clinic, 4000 > > > women > > > > > were > > > > > > > > treated with testosterone supplementation. > > > > > > > > In the well documented study, the group taking testosterone > > > had a > > > > > > > > cancer rate of less than half (46%) than that > > > > > > > > of the control group. > > > > > > > > Also, RA patients (male and female) typically have a > subnormal > > > > > > > > testosterone level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To insure safety from cancer in general, nne > applies dermal > > > > > > > > Progesterone ( 100 mg /day) to avoid estrogen > > > > > > > > dominance, takes DIM (di-indolylmethane) and eats many > brassica > > > > > > > > vegetables (broccoli) to control the 2/16 metabolite > > > > > > > > ratio. See: http://www.tahoma-> clinic.com/> > > > hrtbreastcancer.> > > > > > > > shtml > > > > > > > <http://www.tahoma-> clinic.com/> hrtbreastcancer.> > > shtml> > > > > > > > > <http://www.tahoma-> clinic.com/> hrtbreastcancer.> > > > shtml > > > > > > > <http://www.tahoma-> clinic.com/> hrtbreastcancer.> > > > shtml>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leonie, being in Australia it would be best if you find a > > > > > cooperative > > > > > > > > doctor (your family doctor is probably the best choice, > > > > > > > > rheumatologists are the worst) who is willing to help > you and > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > stoparthritis.> > > com for info. They will work with your > > > > > > > > doctor and provide all the info he/she needs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============> > > =========> =========> =========> =========> > > > > > =========> =========> =========> =========> ========== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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