Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 I found the Roosevelt quote thanks Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Tom, I had included T/E2 ratio material in a post to Alt-Support-Impotence-ASI/ I haven't responded to Phil's post yet on how to calculate T/E2 ratio..he converts.I do not convert..more about that later. T to E2 Ratio and T Gel Effects Study [NL]Good study and info about hormone ratios and benefits of T gel [NL]http://www.familypractice.com/journal/abfpjournal_frame.htm?main=/jo urna l/2001/v14.n01/1401.04/art-1401.04.htm wolverfan If you can open that link...scroll down until you see Table 3.. " Table 3 displays the results for changes in total androgen levels, the total androgen-estradiol ratio, and luteinizing hormone levels. All patients reached therapeutic levels of total androgens (defined as testosterone plus dihydrotestosterone > 330 ng/dL). The pretreatment average was 149.3 ng/dL and increased more than fourfold to 642.10 ng/dL (P = .001). A striking change in the total androgen-estradiol ratio was observed in all men; the average ratio of 5.10 ([ng/dL]/[pg/mL]) increased by a factor of greater than 3 to 17.08 (P < .002). Normal ratios of total androgen-estradiol are defined as being between 10 to 22.[27] In this analysis the ratios are slightly higher because of the inclusion of the dihydrotestosterone levels, which comprise a considerable portion of the androgen pool in these men. " OR eon Doctor Education Hey Guys, Okay. Just got back from visit with my Doc. The GP. Good guy but knows nothing about hypogonadism. (My endo, on the other hand, knows EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW so I figured there's no chance of educating him, ergo my visit to GP.) I went to him with documentation regarding T converting to E. Asked him to check my E levels. He started telling me that the levels of T have nothing to do with E. I tried telling him about the issue of aromatization. He said this doesn't happen. T doesn't change to E. I told him my research indicated otherwise. Showed him article about hypogonadal men using Arimidex to counteract aromatization. He looked at the article. Gave me a few " Hmmm . . . " 's and finally said, " Okay, we'll check your E levels. " Glory to God!!!!!! Finally!!!!!! I told him that when I first started taking AG I was like a new man but lately I haven't been feeling all that great. I felt that aromatization may be the issue. I was talking about my overall health and sense of well being. He thought I meant my ability to achieve an erection. I guess he thinks TRT is primarily for erectile purposes . . . or he assumes if one has low T that one also has ED. This isn't the case with me but I didn't want to jeopardize or complicate my treatment any or really go into what low T does to a man as a whole organic being. I just want my T to E ratio checked. Thanks be to God I'll find out on Tuesday what the deal is with those numbers. Is there any set number that E should be or a way of determining what the ratio should be? Thanks for your help. In Jesus Irrational Love, Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Ok I guess I'm not quite sure of what the effects of a high or low estradol will have. Symptoms? Is it something that definitly should be addressed? I see my endo tuesday, and want to know if its worth bringing up. I'm currently on depo-testosterone intermuscle injections once every 3 weeks. My last Total level a week after my shot was 340. I'm 25. > Tom, > > > > I had included T/E2 ratio material in a post to > Alt-Support-Impotence-ASI/ > > > > I haven't responded to Phil's post yet on how to calculate T/E2 > ratio..he converts.I do not convert..more about that later. > > > > T to E2 Ratio and T Gel Effects Study [NL]Good study and info > about hormone ratios and benefits of T gel > [NL]http://www.familypractice.com/journal/abfpjournal_frame.htm? main=/jo > urna > > l/2001/v14.n01/1401.04/art-1401.04.htm wolverfan > > > > If you can open that link...scroll down until you see Table 3.. > > > > " Table 3 displays the results for changes in total androgen levels, the > total androgen-estradiol ratio, and luteinizing hormone levels. All > patients reached therapeutic levels of total androgens (defined as > testosterone plus dihydrotestosterone > 330 ng/dL). The pretreatment > average was 149.3 ng/dL and increased more than fourfold to 642.10 ng/dL > (P = .001). A striking change in the total androgen-estradiol ratio was > observed in all men; the average ratio of 5.10 ([ng/dL]/[pg/mL]) > increased by a factor of greater than 3 to 17.08 (P < .002). Normal > ratios of total androgen-estradiol are defined as being between 10 to > 22.[27] In this analysis the ratios are slightly higher because of the > inclusion of the dihydrotestosterone levels, which comprise a > considerable portion of the androgen pool in these men. " > > > > OR eon > > > > Doctor Education > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > Okay. Just got back from visit with my Doc. The GP. Good guy but > knows > > nothing about hypogonadism. (My endo, on the other hand, knows > EVERYTHING > > THERE IS TO KNOW so I figured there's no chance of educating him, ergo > my > > visit to GP.) > > > > I went to him with documentation regarding T converting to E. Asked him > to > > check my E levels. He started telling me that the levels of T have > nothing > > to do with E. I tried telling him about the issue of aromatization. He > > said this doesn't happen. T doesn't change to E. I told him my > research > > indicated otherwise. Showed him article about hypogonadal men using > > Arimidex to counteract aromatization. He looked at the article. Gave > me a > > few " Hmmm . . . " 's and finally said, " Okay, we'll check your E levels. " > > > > Glory to God!!!!!! Finally!!!!!! > > > > I told him that when I first started taking AG I was like a new man but > > lately I haven't been feeling all that great. I felt that aromatization > may > > be the issue. > > > > I was talking about my overall health and sense of well being. He > thought I > > meant my ability to achieve an erection. I guess he thinks TRT is > primarily > > for erectile purposes . . . or he assumes if one has low T that one also > has > > ED. This isn't the case with me but I didn't want to jeopardize or > > complicate my treatment any or really go into what low T does to a man > as a > > whole organic being. I just want my T to E ratio checked. > > > > Thanks be to God I'll find out on Tuesday what the deal is with those > > numbers. > > > > Is there any set number that E should be or a way of determining what > the > > ratio should be? > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > In Jesus Irrational Love, > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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