Re: Re: AP Docs in Michigan that accept insurance!

[Guest guest]

No Pennsylvania. The nurse wasn't in today and so no one could tell me

anything. They even said this may be an old price and may need updated. So I

may call tomorrow if I have time.

I had IV's in 97 which I did myself. I did 5 days in a row then once a week

for 10 weeks the 5 in a row and then 10 weeks etc for 5 years! Like I said I

was totally negative.

Cooky

From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf

Of jazz_ie99

Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:05 PM

rheumatic

Subject: rheumatic Re: AP Docs in Michigan that accept insurance!

Hi Cooky,

Thanks for replying. Is Dr. Goldstein located in Michigan? Also do you know

how many IV treatments you would need monthly? $90 isn't bad at all

depending on far apart the treatments are.

>

> Hey Jazz,

>

>

>

> I pay out of pocket for Doc Goldstein and is worth every penny. I am also

> going to get IV's from him in July at $90 a pop because I want to make

sure

> I don't lose function of the thumb. I also put out lots of money for

> supplements which are expensive(not from him). I am worth it! I would

rather

> do this than use the biologics (thanks for the word ) and kill my

> immune system and who knows what else!

>

>

>

> I have medicare and he does not take medicare.

>

>

>

> Cooky

>

>

>

>

>

> From: rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

[mailto:rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40> ] On

Behalf

> Of jazz_ie99

> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:05 PM

> rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

> Subject: rheumatic AP Docs in Michigan that accept insurance!

>

>

>

>

>

> I think this is the most frustrating part for me. As soon as I find a doc

> here in MI that does practice AP they do not accept my insurance. I cannot

> afford to pay out of pocket but I'd like to get better just as much as the

> person who can pay does. Has anyone found a doc here that does?

Conventional

> drugs aren't working for me and I'm tired of being a guinea pig to the

toxic

> meds. This is pretty much my last resort. I have Blue Care Network

> insurance.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

where in PA?

rheumatic AP Docs in Michigan that accept insurance!

>

>

>

>

>

> I think this is the most frustrating part for me. As soon as I find a doc

> here in MI that does practice AP they do not accept my insurance. I cannot

> afford to pay out of pocket but I'd like to get better just as much as the

> person who can pay does. Has anyone found a doc here that does?

Conventional

> drugs aren't working for me and I'm tired of being a guinea pig to the

toxic

> meds. This is pretty much my last resort. I have Blue Care Network

> insurance.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Dr Brownstein has been my doctor since I've been diagnosed with RA 11

yrs ago. I love him and he's taken me to a level I never thought I'd reach

again. He's open minded and listens and always has a suggestion. The

problem is he's not taking any new patients presently, but you can see his

associates. There are two of them: Dr Neusbaum and Dr Ing. (not sure of

spelling) There are both about 5 months out from new patients.

Judy

PS Everything at CHM is out of pocket just so you know.

In a message dated 6/30/2010 2:29:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

andtwo@... writes:

Here are some names - I haven't gone to them personally - trying things out

on my own as I don't have much money coming in at the moment.

MICHIGAN

Brownstein, M.D. (IV and oral) Two other doctors listed ˆ

Center for Holistic Medicine specializes in hormone replacement

5821 W. Maple Rd. Suite 192

West Bloomfield, MI 48322

P: 248-851-1600

F: 248-851-0421

Email: _acudoc@..._ (mailto:acudoc@...)

Not sure about this one - my sister-in-law sees him and he is willing to

prescribe alternative treatments. When my finances improve I plan on

contacting him.

Margolis

43956 Mound Road

Sterling Heights, MI 48314-2034

(586) 323-1122

M. Dugliss, M.D. ˆ IM 1994

Oakwood Health Care

36555 Warren,

Westland MI 48185.

734-414-9000

email _Pdugliss@..._ (mailto:Pdugliss@...)

Ledtke, M.D. FP 1976

150 Plymouth Rd.

Saginaw, MI 48603

P : 517-793-7779

F : 517-793-7137

R. Lubetsky, M.D. RHU ˆ IM 1974

3500 15 Mile Rd., Orchard Lake, MI 48323

Sterling Heights MI 48310. 248-977-6236

P: 810-977-6236

Nebbling, DO - specialty is RA ˆ worked with Dr. Sinnott

2720 Pleasant Grove

Lansing, MI 48910

P: 517-323-1833

Jack Hinkle, DO (AAEM) has AP info

18297 W. Toledo Highway

Cement City, MI 49233

P: 517-547-3176

T. Reid Kavieff, DO

28595 Orchard Lake Road ˆ Suite 306

Farmington Hills, MI 48334

P: 248-324-0777

ph Renney, MD ®

Cedarwood Medical Clinic

St. ph, MI

P: 616-983-0571

Jerold Shagrin, MD (RHU)

Arthritis Associates

31815 Southfield Rd ˆ Suite 10

Birmingham, MI 48025

P: 313-647-4420

Maureen D. Mayes, M.D. ˆ RHU 1976 (specializes in treating SSC

conventionally

Hutzel Hospital ˆ Dept. Rheumatology,

4707 St. Antoine St.

Detroit, MI. 48201

P: 313-745-0709

T. Nadolny D.O. (FP), oral and IV ? ˆ not in AMA or phone

directories

28800 Eight Mile Suite 110, May have retired.

Farmington Hills, MI 48188.

P: 248-477-7344.

M. Nutt, D.O., - Occupational Med. 1961

420 S. Lafayette,

Greenville, MI 48838-2374.

P: 616-754-3679

>

> Hey Jazz,

>

>

>

> I pay out of pocket for Doc Goldstein and is worth every penny. I am also

> going to get IV's from him in July at $90 a pop because I want to make

sure

> I don't lose function of the thumb. I also put out lots of money for

> supplements which are expensive(not from him). I am worth it! I would

rather

> do this than use the biologics (thanks for the word ) and kill my

> immune system and who knows what else!

>

>

>

> I have medicare and he does not take medicare.

>

>

>

> Cooky

>

>

>

>

>

> From: _rheumatic _ (mailto:rheumatic )

[mailto:_rheumatic _ (mailto:rheumatic ) ] On

Behalf

> Of jazz_ie99

> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:05 PM

> _rheumatic _ (mailto:rheumatic )

> Subject: rheumatic AP Docs in Michigan that accept insurance!

>

>

>

>

>

> I think this is the most frustrating part for me. As soon as I find a doc

> here in MI that does practice AP they do not accept my insurance. I

cannot

> afford to pay out of pocket but I'd like to get better just as much as

the

> person who can pay does. Has anyone found a doc here that does?

Conventional

> drugs aren't working for me and I'm tired of being a guinea pig to the

toxic

> meds. This is pretty much my last resort. I have Blue Care Network

> insurance.

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

[Guest guest]

Just outside of Pittsburgh…Wexford.

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: AP Docs in Michigan that accept insurance!

where in PA?

----- Original Message -----

Hi Cooky,

Thanks for replying. Is Dr. Goldstein located in Michigan? Also do you know

how many IV treatments you would need monthly? $90 isn't bad at all

depending on far apart the treatments are.

[Guest guest]

I missed some of the emails on this subject b/c we were away, but I'm

thinking that there should be some people in our group that go to general

practioners or internists here in MI that do either know of or are open to the

AP and who would at least give a script. Did I miss all of that part of the

conversations? Just an idea.

I know that my internist who diagnosed me and then recommended a rheumy way

back when did not entertain my choice to go on the antibiotics. He said I

needed something like " Remecade " (11 yrs ago) and said AP would not work.

Sadly, I liked him as a regular doctor but had to leave him b/c our beliefs

clashed so much. My husband stills goes to him.

That's the tough part, and yes, Center for Holistic Medicine is pretty

expensive, especially for the initial visit. After that, it's just the fee plus

any supps, etc. you buy.

Good luck on finding someone. I will keep this all in mind and if I hear of

anyone, will absolutely post.

Judy

In a message dated 7/1/2010 7:49:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jazz_ie99@... writes:

Thanks Judkeels. Unfortunately doctors like Brownstein are out of my reach

because of the out of pocket expense. Seems my insurance only pays for the

mediocre ones who want to shut you up by stuffing drugs down your throat. I

did check Dr. Brownstein out about a year ago and he does seem great but

when I heard how much the office visit was, sadly I had to pass. It sucks

being sick with limited finances. Can't get to see who you really need to.

> >

> > Hey Jazz,

> >

> >

> >

> > I pay out of pocket for Doc Goldstein and is worth every penny. I am

also

> > going to get IV's from him in July at $90 a pop because I want to make

> sure

> > I don't lose function of the thumb. I also put out lots of money for

> > supplements which are expensive(not from him). I am worth it! I would

> rather

> > do this than use the biologics (thanks for the word ) and kill

my

> > immune system and who knows what else!

> >

> >

> >

> > I have medicare and he does not take medicare.

> >

> >

> >

> > Cooky

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > From: __rheumatic _ (mailto:_rheumatic )

_ (mailto:_rheumatic _ (mailto:rheumatic ) )

> [mailto:__rheumatic _ (mailto:_rheumatic )

_ (mailto:_rheumatic _ (mailto:rheumatic ) )

] On

> Behalf

> > Of jazz_ie99

> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:05 PM

> > __rheumatic _ (mailto:_rheumatic ) _

(mailto:_rheumatic _ (mailto:rheumatic ) )

> > Subject: rheumatic AP Docs in Michigan that accept insurance!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I think this is the most frustrating part for me. As soon as I find a

doc

> > here in MI that does practice AP they do not accept my insurance. I

> cannot

> > afford to pay out of pocket but I'd like to get better just as much as

> the

> > person who can pay does. Has anyone found a doc here that does?

> Conventional

> > drugs aren't working for me and I'm tired of being a guinea pig to the

> toxic

> > meds. This is pretty much my last resort. I have Blue Care Network

> > insurance.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I go to Dr. Nebbeling in Lansing.

He is on St. ph Hwy, not at the address mentioned, but the phone # is

correct. He is less expensive than Dr. Brownstein and the Center for

Holistic Medicine. He did require me to do 10 IVs before he would prescribe

the oral, at 50 dollars each. So it was a 500 dollar commitment upfront, and

then he has prescribed me oral medication for the past several years, and I

just call the office for refills. More than worth it for having my life

back! Save up if you must; it is worth the sacrifice and commitment!

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:00 AM, <Judkeels@...> wrote:

>

>

> I missed some of the emails on this subject b/c we were away, but I'm

> thinking that there should be some people in our group that go to general

> practioners or internists here in MI that do either know of or are open to

> the

> AP and who would at least give a script. Did I miss all of that part of the

>

> conversations? Just an idea.

> I know that my internist who diagnosed me and then recommended a rheumy way

>

> back when did not entertain my choice to go on the antibiotics. He said I

> needed something like " Remecade " (11 yrs ago) and said AP would not work.

> Sadly, I liked him as a regular doctor but had to leave him b/c our beliefs

>

> clashed so much. My husband stills goes to him.

> That's the tough part, and yes, Center for Holistic Medicine is pretty

> expensive, especially for the initial visit. After that, it's just the fee

> plus

> any supps, etc. you buy.

> Good luck on finding someone. I will keep this all in mind and if I hear of

>

> anyone, will absolutely post.

> Judy

>

>

> In a message dated 7/1/2010 7:49:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> jazz_ie99@... <jazz_ie99%40> writes:

>

> Thanks Judkeels. Unfortunately doctors like Brownstein are out of my reach

> because of the out of pocket expense. Seems my insurance only pays for the

> mediocre ones who want to shut you up by stuffing drugs down your throat. I

>

> did check Dr. Brownstein out about a year ago and he does seem great but

> when I heard how much the office visit was, sadly I had to pass. It sucks

> being sick with limited finances. Can't get to see who you really need to.

>

>

> > >

> > > Hey Jazz,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I pay out of pocket for Doc Goldstein and is worth every penny. I am

> also

> > > going to get IV's from him in July at $90 a pop because I want to make

>

> > sure

> > > I don't lose function of the thumb. I also put out lots of money for

> > > supplements which are expensive(not from him). I am worth it! I would

> > rather

> > > do this than use the biologics (thanks for the word ) and kill

> my

> > > immune system and who knows what else!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I have medicare and he does not take medicare.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Cooky

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: __rheumatic <__rheumatic%40>_

> (mailto:_rheumatic <_rheumatic%40>)

> _ (mailto:_rheumatic <_rheumatic%40>_

> (mailto:rheumatic <rheumatic%40>) )

> > [mailto:__rheumatic <__rheumatic%40>_

> (mailto:_rheumatic <_rheumatic%40>)

> _ (mailto:_rheumatic <_rheumatic%40>_

> (mailto:rheumatic <rheumatic%40>) )

> ] On

> > Behalf

> > > Of jazz_ie99

> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:05 PM

> > > __rheumatic <__rheumatic%40>_

> (mailto:_rheumatic <_rheumatic%40>) _

> (mailto:_rheumatic <_rheumatic%40>_

> (mailto:rheumatic <rheumatic%40>) )

> > > Subject: rheumatic AP Docs in Michigan that accept insurance!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I think this is the most frustrating part for me. As soon as I find a

> doc

> > > here in MI that does practice AP they do not accept my insurance. I

> > cannot

> > > afford to pay out of pocket but I'd like to get better just as much as

> > the

> > > person who can pay does. Has anyone found a doc here that does?

> > Conventional

> > > drugs aren't working for me and I'm tired of being a guinea pig to the

> > toxic

> > > meds. This is pretty much my last resort. I have Blue Care Network

> > > insurance.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Just an aside: Insurance was willing to pay 12,000 dollars *per month* for

IVIG, but not 500 once for this...

I think of this CONSTANTLY as the debate over rising health care costs plays

itself out in Washington. Imagine if everyone on IVIG and biologics were on

minocycline instead....

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Caren Smood <carensmd397@...> wrote:

> I go to Dr. Nebbeling in Lansing.

> He is on St. ph Hwy, not at the address mentioned, but the phone # is

> correct. He is less expensive than Dr. Brownstein and the Center for

> Holistic Medicine. He did require me to do 10 IVs before he would prescribe

> the oral, at 50 dollars each. So it was a 500 dollar commitment upfront, and

> then he has prescribed me oral medication for the past several years, and I

> just call the office for refills. More than worth it for having my life

> back! Save up if you must; it is worth the sacrifice and commitment!

>

> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:00 AM, <Judkeels@...> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> I missed some of the emails on this subject b/c we were away, but I'm

>> thinking that there should be some people in our group that go to general

>> practioners or internists here in MI that do either know of or are open to

>> the

>> AP and who would at least give a script. Did I miss all of that part of

>> the

>> conversations? Just an idea.

>> I know that my internist who diagnosed me and then recommended a rheumy

>> way

>> back when did not entertain my choice to go on the antibiotics. He said I

>> needed something like " Remecade " (11 yrs ago) and said AP would not work.

>> Sadly, I liked him as a regular doctor but had to leave him b/c our

>> beliefs

>> clashed so much. My husband stills goes to him.

>> That's the tough part, and yes, Center for Holistic Medicine is pretty

>> expensive, especially for the initial visit. After that, it's just the fee

>> plus

>> any supps, etc. you buy.

>> Good luck on finding someone. I will keep this all in mind and if I hear

>> of

>> anyone, will absolutely post.

>> Judy

>>

>>

>> In a message dated 7/1/2010 7:49:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

>> jazz_ie99@... <jazz_ie99%40> writes:

>>

>> Thanks Judkeels. Unfortunately doctors like Brownstein are out of my reach

>>

>> because of the out of pocket expense. Seems my insurance only pays for the

>>

>> mediocre ones who want to shut you up by stuffing drugs down your throat.

>> I

>> did check Dr. Brownstein out about a year ago and he does seem great but

>> when I heard how much the office visit was, sadly I had to pass. It sucks

>> being sick with limited finances. Can't get to see who you really need to.

>>

>>

>> > >

>> > > Hey Jazz,

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > I pay out of pocket for Doc Goldstein and is worth every penny. I am

>> also

>> > > going to get IV's from him in July at $90 a pop because I want to make

>>

>>

>> > sure

>> > > I don't lose function of the thumb. I also put out lots of money for

>> > > supplements which are expensive(not from him). I am worth it! I would

>> > rather

>> > > do this than use the biologics (thanks for the word ) and kill

>> my

>> > > immune system and who knows what else!

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > I have medicare and he does not take medicare.

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Cooky

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > From: __rheumatic <__rheumatic%40>_

>> (mailto:_rheumatic <_rheumatic%40>)

>> _ (mailto:_rheumatic <_rheumatic%40>_

>> (mailto:rheumatic <rheumatic%40>) )

>> > [mailto:__rheumatic <__rheumatic%40>_

>> (mailto:_rheumatic <_rheumatic%40>)

>> _ (mailto:_rheumatic <_rheumatic%40>_

>> (mailto:rheumatic <rheumatic%40>) )

>> ] On

>> > Behalf

>> > > Of jazz_ie99

>> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:05 PM

>> > > __rheumatic <__rheumatic%40>_

>> (mailto:_rheumatic <_rheumatic%40>) _

>> (mailto:_rheumatic <_rheumatic%40>_

>> (mailto:rheumatic <rheumatic%40>) )

>> > > Subject: rheumatic AP Docs in Michigan that accept insurance!

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > I think this is the most frustrating part for me. As soon as I find a

>> doc

>> > > here in MI that does practice AP they do not accept my insurance. I

>> > cannot

>> > > afford to pay out of pocket but I'd like to get better just as much as

>>

>> > the

>> > > person who can pay does. Has anyone found a doc here that does?

>> > Conventional

>> > > drugs aren't working for me and I'm tired of being a guinea pig to the

>>

>> > toxic

>> > > meds. This is pretty much my last resort. I have Blue Care Network

>> > > insurance.

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >