Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwardsquickly. Help please!

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Kitty,Does it mean youj have adrenal fatigue if your cortisol is low in the morning and high the rest of the times?? I am confused how to treat high cortisol. HC is only used for low, correct? Or am I wrong?Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct ConnectDate: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:45:06 -0700 (PDT)To: <RT3_T3 >Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwardsquickly. Help please! Hehe... my story feels never ending... I have given up on docs... I actually feel better in 2 months than I have in a few years with the help of the girls here so self treating isn't so bad! I hope the cream helps I never was able to try it since almost all of them have ingredients I can't have. Please feel free to ask any questions KittyFrom: Sunshine <sunnyblond62>To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 9:34:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards quickly. Help please! Wow, Kitty. I just read your posts. You have quite a story! Thanks for the link to the info on dosing with the cream. I'm hoping for a bit more info from Val and then I'm going to approach my doc to see if he'll give any help. If not, then it'll be on to the cream and self-treating. Thanks again for your insight!>>>From: carolyn Hunter <hunter10039@ infostations. com>> Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards> quickly. Help please!> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 6:13 PM>>>  >>>> you said:>> "I read in 's "Adrenal Fatigue" book last night about steroids and> cortisol weakening adrenals,">> I remark:>> It doesnt actually weaken the adrenals...it just sort of puts them to> sleep, so to speak....and your body got used to the higher dose you were> taking...and when you stopped suddenly...your adrenals were unable towake> up completely.>> I feel that Dr did you a dis-service by cutting you off suddenly without> tapering off slowly.>> probably out of his/her ignorance?>> nevertheless you probably DO need HC...but how to get it ASAP? i dont know> unless you find one of those smart in-the-know type of drs nearby who can> help you???>> like the other person said, in a pinch you can drop by a pharmacy and get> OTC hydrocortisone creame to slather on your skin so it gets> absorbed.... but BE CAREFUL YOU SHOULD ONLY USE A TINY AMOUNT AND I DONT> REMEMBER HOW MUCH!!!!>> C. Hunter>>> Did the doc say how the heck those meds were supposed to make your>> adrenals work again? I looked them up and I'm clueless on that one.>>>> If the steroids suppressed your adrenals (and those hefty doses probably>> did),you have to wean off or get very sick, which you are already>> experiencing.>>>> I know this is supposed to be mod week off for adrenal stuff, so I'm not>> sure if Val will get to this right away. I just wanted to offer support.>> Given your initial saliva labs and the fact you felt better on steroids,>> you probably needed to be on HC anyway. But I am not qualified to say>> how>> much or what dosing based on your results.>>>> To go on steroids without your doctor's help, you can try HC cream (OTC)>> but HC online from sources, or order Isocort and just go by assumption>> one>> pellet is 1.5 mg hc. Unfortunately, I don't know how much to tell you>> take>> given that you were on all those steroids. But you could at least start>> with the 20 mg dosing until someone else helpsout.>>>> Hang in there!!>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: <artisticgroomer@ ...>>>> Subject: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards>>> quickly. Help please!>>> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>>> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 7:14 AM>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>>>>> The only way I cna help with what oyu need is fr you to go 2 weeks>>> wihtout ANY steroid and redo a saliva test. BUT form what I have seenin>>> the past, wiht already weak adrenals then several HEFTY doses of strong>>> steoids, and triamcinolone is WAY strogner t>> han 4 times cortiosl, Here>>> is a steroid converiosn tool, btu it says it si 5 times stronger than>>> HC>>> btu I have seen it listed as even stronger thanthat depoending on>>> absorption.>>> http://www.globalrp h.com/steroid. cgi>>> At any rate you have been on hefty doses of steroids and as they wear>>> down you are havign allergies show up, a sure sign of adrenals that>>> crashed from the high steroid dosing. Now you nee dot go on steroids>>> until they can regain strength or a LONG slow taper. Basically this is>>> what we do to fix adrnals a taper that can last a couple years.>>>>>> -->>> >>> http://nthadrenalsw eb.org/>>> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo>>> rmonesADRENALS/>>> http://faqhelp. webs.com/>>>>>> http://health./ groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/>>> http://www.thyroid- rt3.com/>>>>>> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/>>> http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =2C. Hunter

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Kitty,Does it mean youj have adrenal fatigue if your cortisol is low in the morning and high the rest of the times?? I am confused how to treat high cortisol. HC is only used for low, correct? Or am I wrong?Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct ConnectDate: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:45:06 -0700 (PDT)To: <RT3_T3 >Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwardsquickly. Help please! Hehe... my story feels never ending... I have given up on docs... I actually feel better in 2 months than I have in a few years with the help of the girls here so self treating isn't so bad! I hope the cream helps I never was able to try it since almost all of them have ingredients I can't have. Please feel free to ask any questions KittyFrom: Sunshine <sunnyblond62>To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 9:34:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards quickly. Help please! Wow, Kitty. I just read your posts. You have quite a story! Thanks for the link to the info on dosing with the cream. I'm hoping for a bit more info from Val and then I'm going to approach my doc to see if he'll give any help. If not, then it'll be on to the cream and self-treating. Thanks again for your insight!>>>From: carolyn Hunter <hunter10039@ infostations. com>> Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards> quickly. Help please!> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 6:13 PM>>>  >>>> you said:>> "I read in 's "Adrenal Fatigue" book last night about steroids and> cortisol weakening adrenals,">> I remark:>> It doesnt actually weaken the adrenals...it just sort of puts them to> sleep, so to speak....and your body got used to the higher dose you were> taking...and when you stopped suddenly...your adrenals were unable towake> up completely.>> I feel that Dr did you a dis-service by cutting you off suddenly without> tapering off slowly.>> probably out of his/her ignorance?>> nevertheless you probably DO need HC...but how to get it ASAP? i dont know> unless you find one of those smart in-the-know type of drs nearby who can> help you???>> like the other person said, in a pinch you can drop by a pharmacy and get> OTC hydrocortisone creame to slather on your skin so it gets> absorbed.... but BE CAREFUL YOU SHOULD ONLY USE A TINY AMOUNT AND I DONT> REMEMBER HOW MUCH!!!!>> C. Hunter>>> Did the doc say how the heck those meds were supposed to make your>> adrenals work again? I looked them up and I'm clueless on that one.>>>> If the steroids suppressed your adrenals (and those hefty doses probably>> did),you have to wean off or get very sick, which you are already>> experiencing.>>>> I know this is supposed to be mod week off for adrenal stuff, so I'm not>> sure if Val will get to this right away. I just wanted to offer support.>> Given your initial saliva labs and the fact you felt better on steroids,>> you probably needed to be on HC anyway. But I am not qualified to say>> how>> much or what dosing based on your results.>>>> To go on steroids without your doctor's help, you can try HC cream (OTC)>> but HC online from sources, or order Isocort and just go by assumption>> one>> pellet is 1.5 mg hc. Unfortunately, I don't know how much to tell you>> take>> given that you were on all those steroids. But you could at least start>> with the 20 mg dosing until someone else helpsout.>>>> Hang in there!!>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: <artisticgroomer@ ...>>>> Subject: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards>>> quickly. Help please!>>> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>>> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 7:14 AM>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>>>>> The only way I cna help with what oyu need is fr you to go 2 weeks>>> wihtout ANY steroid and redo a saliva test. BUT form what I have seenin>>> the past, wiht already weak adrenals then several HEFTY doses of strong>>> steoids, and triamcinolone is WAY strogner t>> han 4 times cortiosl, Here>>> is a steroid converiosn tool, btu it says it si 5 times stronger than>>> HC>>> btu I have seen it listed as even stronger thanthat depoending on>>> absorption.>>> http://www.globalrp h.com/steroid. cgi>>> At any rate you have been on hefty doses of steroids and as they wear>>> down you are havign allergies show up, a sure sign of adrenals that>>> crashed from the high steroid dosing. Now you nee dot go on steroids>>> until they can regain strength or a LONG slow taper. Basically this is>>> what we do to fix adrnals a taper that can last a couple years.>>>>>> -->>> >>> http://nthadrenalsw eb.org/>>> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo>>> rmonesADRENALS/>>> http://faqhelp. webs.com/>>>>>> http://health./ groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/>>> http://www.thyroid- rt3.com/>>>>>> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/>>> http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =2C. Hunter

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Kitty,Does it mean youj have adrenal fatigue if your cortisol is low in the morning and high the rest of the times?? I am confused how to treat high cortisol. HC is only used for low, correct? Or am I wrong?Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct ConnectDate: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:45:06 -0700 (PDT)To: <RT3_T3 >Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwardsquickly. Help please! Hehe... my story feels never ending... I have given up on docs... I actually feel better in 2 months than I have in a few years with the help of the girls here so self treating isn't so bad! I hope the cream helps I never was able to try it since almost all of them have ingredients I can't have. Please feel free to ask any questions KittyFrom: Sunshine <sunnyblond62>To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 9:34:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards quickly. Help please! Wow, Kitty. I just read your posts. You have quite a story! Thanks for the link to the info on dosing with the cream. I'm hoping for a bit more info from Val and then I'm going to approach my doc to see if he'll give any help. If not, then it'll be on to the cream and self-treating. Thanks again for your insight!>>>From: carolyn Hunter <hunter10039@ infostations. com>> Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards> quickly. Help please!> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 6:13 PM>>>  >>>> you said:>> "I read in 's "Adrenal Fatigue" book last night about steroids and> cortisol weakening adrenals,">> I remark:>> It doesnt actually weaken the adrenals...it just sort of puts them to> sleep, so to speak....and your body got used to the higher dose you were> taking...and when you stopped suddenly...your adrenals were unable towake> up completely.>> I feel that Dr did you a dis-service by cutting you off suddenly without> tapering off slowly.>> probably out of his/her ignorance?>> nevertheless you probably DO need HC...but how to get it ASAP? i dont know> unless you find one of those smart in-the-know type of drs nearby who can> help you???>> like the other person said, in a pinch you can drop by a pharmacy and get> OTC hydrocortisone creame to slather on your skin so it gets> absorbed.... but BE CAREFUL YOU SHOULD ONLY USE A TINY AMOUNT AND I DONT> REMEMBER HOW MUCH!!!!>> C. Hunter>>> Did the doc say how the heck those meds were supposed to make your>> adrenals work again? I looked them up and I'm clueless on that one.>>>> If the steroids suppressed your adrenals (and those hefty doses probably>> did),you have to wean off or get very sick, which you are already>> experiencing.>>>> I know this is supposed to be mod week off for adrenal stuff, so I'm not>> sure if Val will get to this right away. I just wanted to offer support.>> Given your initial saliva labs and the fact you felt better on steroids,>> you probably needed to be on HC anyway. But I am not qualified to say>> how>> much or what dosing based on your results.>>>> To go on steroids without your doctor's help, you can try HC cream (OTC)>> but HC online from sources, or order Isocort and just go by assumption>> one>> pellet is 1.5 mg hc. Unfortunately, I don't know how much to tell you>> take>> given that you were on all those steroids. But you could at least start>> with the 20 mg dosing until someone else helpsout.>>>> Hang in there!!>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: <artisticgroomer@ ...>>>> Subject: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards>>> quickly. Help please!>>> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>>> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 7:14 AM>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>>>>> The only way I cna help with what oyu need is fr you to go 2 weeks>>> wihtout ANY steroid and redo a saliva test. BUT form what I have seenin>>> the past, wiht already weak adrenals then several HEFTY doses of strong>>> steoids, and triamcinolone is WAY strogner t>> han 4 times cortiosl, Here>>> is a steroid converiosn tool, btu it says it si 5 times stronger than>>> HC>>> btu I have seen it listed as even stronger thanthat depoending on>>> absorption.>>> http://www.globalrp h.com/steroid. cgi>>> At any rate you have been on hefty doses of steroids and as they wear>>> down you are havign allergies show up, a sure sign of adrenals that>>> crashed from the high steroid dosing. Now you nee dot go on steroids>>> until they can regain strength or a LONG slow taper. Basically this is>>> what we do to fix adrnals a taper that can last a couple years.>>>>>> -->>> >>> http://nthadrenalsw eb.org/>>> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo>>> rmonesADRENALS/>>> http://faqhelp. webs.com/>>>>>> http://health./ groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/>>> http://www.thyroid- rt3.com/>>>>>> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/>>> http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =2C. Hunter

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Adrenal fatigue can present in all sorts of ways. It depends on the severity. For me I am near adrenal failure so my saliva results were pretty much flatlined... low all day and low DHEA. Have you read the Stop the thyroid maddness site about adrenal fatigue? http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?s=adrenal+fatigue I also like Dr. Lam's site for explaining adrenal fatigue http://www.drlam.com/conditioncareguide/adrenalhealth.asp?tab=1 & condition=adrenalhealth

Some people with early stage adrenal fatigue go on HC to help rest the adrenals and rest the HPA axis. There are many uses. Did you have saliva testing done? If so can you share the results with ranges?

kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 9:55:09 PMSubject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwardsquickly. Help please!

Kitty,Does it mean youj have adrenal fatigue if your cortisol is low in the morning and high the rest of the times?? I am confused how to treat high cortisol. HC is only used for low, correct? Or am I wrong? Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect

From: kitty Haindl <cubblebubble@ yahoo.com>

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:45:06 -0700 (PDT)

To: <RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards quickly. Help please!

Hehe... my story feels never ending... I have given up on docs... I actually feel better in 2 months than I have in a few years with the help of the girls here so self treating isn't so bad! I hope the cream helps I never was able to try it since almost all of them have ingredients I can't have. Please feel free to ask any questions

Kitty

From: Sunshine <sunnyblond62@ yahoo.com>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Wed, April 21, 2010 9:34:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards quickly. Help please!

Wow, Kitty. I just read your posts. You have quite a story!

Thanks for the link to the info on dosing with the cream. I'm hoping for a bit more info from Val and then I'm going to approach my doc to see if he'll give any help. If not, then it'll be on to the cream and self-treating.

Thanks again for your insight!

>>>

From: carolyn Hunter <hunter10039@ infostations. com>> Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards> quickly. Help please!> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 6:13 PM>>> Â >>>> you said:>> "I read in 's "Adrenal Fatigue" book last night about steroids and> cortisol weakening adrenals,">> I remark:>> It doesnt actually weaken the adrenals...it just sort of puts them to> sleep, so to speak....and your body got used to the higher dose you were> taking...and when you stopped suddenly...your adrenals were unable to

wake> up completely.>> I feel that Dr did you a dis-service by cutting you off suddenly without> tapering off slowly.>> probably out of his/her ignorance?>> nevertheless you probably DO need HC...but how to get it ASAP? i dont know> unless you find one of those smart in-the-know type of drs nearby who can> help you???>> like the other person said, in a pinch you can drop by a pharmacy and get> OTC hydrocortisone creame to slather on your skin so it gets> absorbed.... but BE CAREFUL YOU SHOULD ONLY USE A TINY AMOUNT AND I DONT> REMEMBER HOW MUCH!!!!>> C. Hunter>>> Did the doc say how the heck those meds were supposed to make your>> adrenals work again? I looked them up and I'm clueless on that one.>>>> If the steroids suppressed your adrenals (and those hefty doses probably>> did),

you have to wean off or get very sick, which you are already>> experiencing.>>>> I know this is supposed to be mod week off for adrenal stuff, so I'm not>> sure if Val will get to this right away. I just wanted to offer support.>> Given your initial saliva labs and the fact you felt better on steroids,>> you probably needed to be on HC anyway. But I am not qualified to say>> how>> much or what dosing based on your results.>>>> To go on steroids without your doctor's help, you can try HC cream (OTC)>> but HC online from sources, or order Isocort and just go by assumption>> one>> pellet is 1.5 mg hc. Unfortunately, I don't know how much to tell you>> take>> given that you were on all those steroids. But you could at least start>> with the 20 mg dosing until someone else helps

out.>>>> Hang in there!!>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: <artisticgroomer@ ...>>>> Subject: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards>>> quickly. Help please!>>> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>>> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 7:14 AM>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>>>>> The only way I cna help with what oyu need is fr you to go 2 weeks>>> wihtout ANY steroid and redo a saliva test. BUT form what I have seenin>>> the past, wiht already weak adrenals then several HEFTY doses of strong>>> steoids, and triamcinolone is WAY strogner t>> han 4 times cortiosl, Here>>> is a steroid converiosn tool, btu it says it si 5 times stronger than>>> HC>>> btu I have seen it listed as even stronger than

that depoending on>>> absorption.>>> http://www.globalrp h.com/steroid. cgi>>> At any rate you have been on hefty doses of steroids and as they wear>>> down you are havign allergies show up, a sure sign of adrenals that>>> crashed from the high steroid dosing. Now you nee dot go on steroids>>> until they can regain strength or a LONG slow taper. Basically this is>>> what we do to fix adrnals a taper that can last a couple years.>>>>>> -->>> >>> http://nthadrenalsw eb.org/>>> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo>>> rmonesADRENALS/>>> http://faqhelp. webs.com/>>>>>> http://health. / groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/>>> http://www.thyroid- rt3.com/>>>>>> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/>>> http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =2C. Hunter

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Adrenal fatigue can present in all sorts of ways. It depends on the severity. For me I am near adrenal failure so my saliva results were pretty much flatlined... low all day and low DHEA. Have you read the Stop the thyroid maddness site about adrenal fatigue? http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?s=adrenal+fatigue I also like Dr. Lam's site for explaining adrenal fatigue http://www.drlam.com/conditioncareguide/adrenalhealth.asp?tab=1 & condition=adrenalhealth

Some people with early stage adrenal fatigue go on HC to help rest the adrenals and rest the HPA axis. There are many uses. Did you have saliva testing done? If so can you share the results with ranges?

kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 9:55:09 PMSubject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwardsquickly. Help please!

Kitty,Does it mean youj have adrenal fatigue if your cortisol is low in the morning and high the rest of the times?? I am confused how to treat high cortisol. HC is only used for low, correct? Or am I wrong? Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect

From: kitty Haindl <cubblebubble@ yahoo.com>

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:45:06 -0700 (PDT)

To: <RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards quickly. Help please!

Hehe... my story feels never ending... I have given up on docs... I actually feel better in 2 months than I have in a few years with the help of the girls here so self treating isn't so bad! I hope the cream helps I never was able to try it since almost all of them have ingredients I can't have. Please feel free to ask any questions

Kitty

From: Sunshine <sunnyblond62@ yahoo.com>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Wed, April 21, 2010 9:34:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards quickly. Help please!

Wow, Kitty. I just read your posts. You have quite a story!

Thanks for the link to the info on dosing with the cream. I'm hoping for a bit more info from Val and then I'm going to approach my doc to see if he'll give any help. If not, then it'll be on to the cream and self-treating.

Thanks again for your insight!

>>>

From: carolyn Hunter <hunter10039@ infostations. com>> Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards> quickly. Help please!> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 6:13 PM>>> Â >>>> you said:>> "I read in 's "Adrenal Fatigue" book last night about steroids and> cortisol weakening adrenals,">> I remark:>> It doesnt actually weaken the adrenals...it just sort of puts them to> sleep, so to speak....and your body got used to the higher dose you were> taking...and when you stopped suddenly...your adrenals were unable to

wake> up completely.>> I feel that Dr did you a dis-service by cutting you off suddenly without> tapering off slowly.>> probably out of his/her ignorance?>> nevertheless you probably DO need HC...but how to get it ASAP? i dont know> unless you find one of those smart in-the-know type of drs nearby who can> help you???>> like the other person said, in a pinch you can drop by a pharmacy and get> OTC hydrocortisone creame to slather on your skin so it gets> absorbed.... but BE CAREFUL YOU SHOULD ONLY USE A TINY AMOUNT AND I DONT> REMEMBER HOW MUCH!!!!>> C. Hunter>>> Did the doc say how the heck those meds were supposed to make your>> adrenals work again? I looked them up and I'm clueless on that one.>>>> If the steroids suppressed your adrenals (and those hefty doses probably>> did),

you have to wean off or get very sick, which you are already>> experiencing.>>>> I know this is supposed to be mod week off for adrenal stuff, so I'm not>> sure if Val will get to this right away. I just wanted to offer support.>> Given your initial saliva labs and the fact you felt better on steroids,>> you probably needed to be on HC anyway. But I am not qualified to say>> how>> much or what dosing based on your results.>>>> To go on steroids without your doctor's help, you can try HC cream (OTC)>> but HC online from sources, or order Isocort and just go by assumption>> one>> pellet is 1.5 mg hc. Unfortunately, I don't know how much to tell you>> take>> given that you were on all those steroids. But you could at least start>> with the 20 mg dosing until someone else helps

out.>>>> Hang in there!!>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: <artisticgroomer@ ...>>>> Subject: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards>>> quickly. Help please!>>> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>>> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 7:14 AM>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>>>>> The only way I cna help with what oyu need is fr you to go 2 weeks>>> wihtout ANY steroid and redo a saliva test. BUT form what I have seenin>>> the past, wiht already weak adrenals then several HEFTY doses of strong>>> steoids, and triamcinolone is WAY strogner t>> han 4 times cortiosl, Here>>> is a steroid converiosn tool, btu it says it si 5 times stronger than>>> HC>>> btu I have seen it listed as even stronger than

that depoending on>>> absorption.>>> http://www.globalrp h.com/steroid. cgi>>> At any rate you have been on hefty doses of steroids and as they wear>>> down you are havign allergies show up, a sure sign of adrenals that>>> crashed from the high steroid dosing. Now you nee dot go on steroids>>> until they can regain strength or a LONG slow taper. Basically this is>>> what we do to fix adrnals a taper that can last a couple years.>>>>>> -->>> >>> http://nthadrenalsw eb.org/>>> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo>>> rmonesADRENALS/>>> http://faqhelp. webs.com/>>>>>> http://health. / groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/>>> http://www.thyroid- rt3.com/>>>>>> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/>>> http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =2C. Hunter

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Kitty, I saw the flatlined stage on adrenal fatigue. How frightening! Do you feel exhausted all of the time?

How would I know what stage of AF I'm in? My saliva results were as follows:

Morning - 4.5 (range 3.7 - 9.5)

Noon - 1.3 (range 1.2 - 3.0)

Evening - 0.6 (range 0.6 - 1.9)

Night - 0.1 (range 0.4 - 1.0)

Thanks again,

>>>

From: carolyn Hunter <hunter10039@ infostations. com>> Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards> quickly. Help please!> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 6:13 PM>>> Â >>>> you said:>> "I read in 's "Adrenal Fatigue" book last night about steroids and> cortisol weakening adrenals,">> I remark:>> It doesnt actually weaken the adrenals...it just sort of puts them to> sleep, so to speak....and your body got used to the higher dose you were> taking...and when you stopped suddenly...your adrenals were unable to

wake> up completely.>> I feel that Dr did you a dis-service by cutting you off suddenly without> tapering off slowly.>> probably out of his/her ignorance?>> nevertheless you probably DO need HC...but how to get it ASAP? i dont know> unless you find one of those smart in-the-know type of drs nearby who can> help you???>> like the other person said, in a pinch you can drop by a pharmacy and get> OTC hydrocortisone creame to slather on your skin so it gets> absorbed.... but BE CAREFUL YOU SHOULD ONLY USE A TINY AMOUNT AND I DONT> REMEMBER HOW MUCH!!!!>> C. Hunter>>> Did the doc say how the heck those meds were supposed to make your>> adrenals work again? I looked them up and I'm clueless on that one.>>>> If the steroids suppressed your adrenals (and those hefty doses probably>> did),

you have to wean off or get very sick, which you are already>> experiencing.>>>> I know this is supposed to be mod week off for adrenal stuff, so I'm not>> sure if Val will get to this right away. I just wanted to offer support.>> Given your initial saliva labs and the fact you felt better on steroids,>> you probably needed to be on HC anyway. But I am not qualified to say>> how>> much or what dosing based on your results.>>>> To go on steroids without your doctor's help, you can try HC cream (OTC)>> but HC online from sources, or order Isocort and just go by assumption>> one>> pellet is 1.5 mg hc. Unfortunately, I don't know how much to tell you>> take>> given that you were on all those steroids. But you could at least start>> with the 20 mg dosing until someone else helps

out.>>>> Hang in there!!>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: <artisticgroomer@ ...>>>> Subject: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards>>> quickly. Help please!>>> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>>> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 7:14 AM>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>>>>> The only way I cna help with what oyu need is fr you to go 2 weeks>>> wihtout ANY steroid and redo a saliva test. BUT form what I have seenin>>> the past, wiht already weak adrenals then several HEFTY doses of strong>>> steoids, and triamcinolone is WAY strogner t>> han 4 times cortiosl, Here>>> is a steroid converiosn tool, btu it says it si 5 times stronger than>>> HC>>> btu I have seen it listed as even stronger than

that depoending on>>> absorption.>>> http://www.globalrp h.com/steroid. cgi>>> At any rate you have been on hefty doses of steroids and as they wear>>> down you are havign allergies show up, a sure sign of adrenals that>>> crashed from the high steroid dosing. Now you nee dot go on steroids>>> until they can regain strength or a LONG slow taper. Basically this is>>> what we do to fix adrnals a taper that can last a couple years.>>>>>> -->>> >>> http://nthadrenalsw eb.org/>>> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo>>> rmonesADRENALS/>>> http://faqhelp. webs.com/>>>>>> http://health. / groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/>>> http://www.thyroid- rt3.com/>>>>>> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/>>> http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =2C. Hunter

[Guest guest]

Kitty, I saw the flatlined stage on adrenal fatigue. How frightening! Do you feel exhausted all of the time?

How would I know what stage of AF I'm in? My saliva results were as follows:

Morning - 4.5 (range 3.7 - 9.5)

Noon - 1.3 (range 1.2 - 3.0)

Evening - 0.6 (range 0.6 - 1.9)

Night - 0.1 (range 0.4 - 1.0)

Thanks again,

>>>

From: carolyn Hunter <hunter10039@ infostations. com>> Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards> quickly. Help please!> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 6:13 PM>>> Â >>>> you said:>> "I read in 's "Adrenal Fatigue" book last night about steroids and> cortisol weakening adrenals,">> I remark:>> It doesnt actually weaken the adrenals...it just sort of puts them to> sleep, so to speak....and your body got used to the higher dose you were> taking...and when you stopped suddenly...your adrenals were unable to

wake> up completely.>> I feel that Dr did you a dis-service by cutting you off suddenly without> tapering off slowly.>> probably out of his/her ignorance?>> nevertheless you probably DO need HC...but how to get it ASAP? i dont know> unless you find one of those smart in-the-know type of drs nearby who can> help you???>> like the other person said, in a pinch you can drop by a pharmacy and get> OTC hydrocortisone creame to slather on your skin so it gets> absorbed.... but BE CAREFUL YOU SHOULD ONLY USE A TINY AMOUNT AND I DONT> REMEMBER HOW MUCH!!!!>> C. Hunter>>> Did the doc say how the heck those meds were supposed to make your>> adrenals work again? I looked them up and I'm clueless on that one.>>>> If the steroids suppressed your adrenals (and those hefty doses probably>> did),

you have to wean off or get very sick, which you are already>> experiencing.>>>> I know this is supposed to be mod week off for adrenal stuff, so I'm not>> sure if Val will get to this right away. I just wanted to offer support.>> Given your initial saliva labs and the fact you felt better on steroids,>> you probably needed to be on HC anyway. But I am not qualified to say>> how>> much or what dosing based on your results.>>>> To go on steroids without your doctor's help, you can try HC cream (OTC)>> but HC online from sources, or order Isocort and just go by assumption>> one>> pellet is 1.5 mg hc. Unfortunately, I don't know how much to tell you>> take>> given that you were on all those steroids. But you could at least start>> with the 20 mg dosing until someone else helps

out.>>>> Hang in there!!>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: <artisticgroomer@ ...>>>> Subject: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards>>> quickly. Help please!>>> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>>> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 7:14 AM>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>>>>> The only way I cna help with what oyu need is fr you to go 2 weeks>>> wihtout ANY steroid and redo a saliva test. BUT form what I have seenin>>> the past, wiht already weak adrenals then several HEFTY doses of strong>>> steoids, and triamcinolone is WAY strogner t>> han 4 times cortiosl, Here>>> is a steroid converiosn tool, btu it says it si 5 times stronger than>>> HC>>> btu I have seen it listed as even stronger than

that depoending on>>> absorption.>>> http://www.globalrp h.com/steroid. cgi>>> At any rate you have been on hefty doses of steroids and as they wear>>> down you are havign allergies show up, a sure sign of adrenals that>>> crashed from the high steroid dosing. Now you nee dot go on steroids>>> until they can regain strength or a LONG slow taper. Basically this is>>> what we do to fix adrnals a taper that can last a couple years.>>>>>> -->>> >>> http://nthadrenalsw eb.org/>>> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo>>> rmonesADRENALS/>>> http://faqhelp. webs.com/>>>>>> http://health. / groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/>>> http://www.thyroid- rt3.com/>>>>>> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/>>> http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =2C. Hunter

[Guest guest]

Here are my saliva results back in Jan and my thyroid labs from last month....I just retested and should have the new ones sometime in the next week or 2.Ferritin 30TSH 1.370 Range 0.450-4.500 T4 8.1 Range: 4.5-12.0 Reverse T3 306 Range; 90-350 TBO 10 Range 0-34Free T3 2.6 Range 2.0-4.4Salivary cortitol _ tested in Jan6-8am 12 (range 13-24) low11-12noon 7 (range 5-10) normal4-5pm 15 (range 3-8) elevated10-mid 22 (range 1-4) elevatedI thought adrenal fatigue is low cortisol, so I don't know what I have. I just am very ill, and have many symptoms!Liz

Adrenal fatigue can present in all sorts of ways. It depends on the severity. For me I am near adrenal failure so my saliva results were pretty much flatlined... low all day and low DHEA. Have you read the Stop the thyroid maddness site about adrenal fatigue? http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?s=adrenal+fatigue I also like Dr. Lam's site for explaining adrenal fatigue http://www.drlam.com/conditioncareguide/adrenalhealth.asp?tab=1 & condition=adrenalhealth

Some people with early stage adrenal fatigue go on HC to help rest the adrenals and rest the HPA axis. There are many uses. Did you have saliva testing done? If so can you share the results with ranges?

kitty

From: "starlightvisionsverizon (DOT) net" <starlightvisionsverizon (DOT) net>To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 9:55:09 PMSubject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwardsquickly. Help please! Kitty,Does it mean youj have adrenal fatigue if your cortisol is low in the morning and high the rest of the times?? I am confused how to treat high cortisol. HC is only used for low, correct? Or am I wrong? Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect

From: kitty Haindl <cubblebubble@ yahoo.com>

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:45:06 -0700 (PDT)

To: <RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards quickly. Help please!

Hehe... my story feels never ending... I have given up on docs... I actually feel better in 2 months than I have in a few years with the help of the girls here so self treating isn't so bad! I hope the cream helps I never was able to try it since almost all of them have ingredients I can't have. Please feel free to ask any questions

Kitty

From: Sunshine <sunnyblond62@ yahoo.com>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Wed, April 21, 2010 9:34:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards quickly. Help please!

Wow, Kitty. I just read your posts. You have quite a story!

Thanks for the link to the info on dosing with the cream. I'm hoping for a bit more info from Val and then I'm going to approach my doc to see if he'll give any help. If not, then it'll be on to the cream and self-treating.

Thanks again for your insight!

>>>

From: carolyn Hunter <hunter10039@ infostations. com>> Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards> quickly. Help please!> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 6:13 PM>>> Â >>>> you said:>> "I read in 's "Adrenal Fatigue" book last night about steroids and> cortisol weakening adrenals,">> I remark:>> It doesnt actually weaken the adrenals...it just sort of puts them to> sleep, so to speak....and your body got used to the higher dose you were> taking...and when you stopped suddenly...your adrenals were unable to

wake> up completely.>> I feel that Dr did you a dis-service by cutting you off suddenly without> tapering off slowly.>> probably out of his/her ignorance?>> nevertheless you probably DO need HC...but how to get it ASAP? i dont know> unless you find one of those smart in-the-know type of drs nearby who can> help you???>> like the other person said, in a pinch you can drop by a pharmacy and get> OTC hydrocortisone creame to slather on your skin so it gets> absorbed.... but BE CAREFUL YOU SHOULD ONLY USE A TINY AMOUNT AND I DONT> REMEMBER HOW MUCH!!!!>> C. Hunter>>> Did the doc say how the heck those meds were supposed to make your>> adrenals work again? I looked them up and I'm clueless on that one.>>>> If the steroids suppressed your adrenals (and those hefty doses probably>> did),

you have to wean off or get very sick, which you are already>> experiencing.>>>> I know this is supposed to be mod week off for adrenal stuff, so I'm not>> sure if Val will get to this right away. I just wanted to offer support.>> Given your initial saliva labs and the fact you felt better on steroids,>> you probably needed to be on HC anyway. But I am not qualified to say>> how>> much or what dosing based on your results.>>>> To go on steroids without your doctor's help, you can try HC cream (OTC)>> but HC online from sources, or order Isocort and just go by assumption>> one>> pellet is 1.5 mg hc. Unfortunately, I don't know how much to tell you>> take>> given that you were on all those steroids. But you could at least start>> with the 20 mg dosing until someone else helps

out.>>>> Hang in there!!>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: <artisticgroomer@ ...>>>> Subject: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards>>> quickly. Help please!>>> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>>> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 7:14 AM>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>>>>> The only way I cna help with what oyu need is fr you to go 2 weeks>>> wihtout ANY steroid and redo a saliva test. BUT form what I have seenin>>> the past, wiht already weak adrenals then several HEFTY doses of strong>>> steoids, and triamcinolone is WAY strogner t>> han 4 times cortiosl, Here>>> is a steroid converiosn tool, btu it says it si 5 times stronger than>>> HC>>> btu I have seen it listed as even stronger than

that depoending on>>> absorption.>>> http://www.globalrp h.com/steroid. cgi>>> At any rate you have been on hefty doses of steroids and as they wear>>> down you are havign allergies show up, a sure sign of adrenals that>>> crashed from the high steroid dosing. Now you nee dot go on steroids>>> until they can regain strength or a LONG slow taper. Basically this is>>> what we do to fix adrnals a taper that can last a couple years.>>>>>> -->>> >>> http://nthadrenalsw eb.org/>>> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo>>> rmonesADRENALS/>>> http://faqhelp. webs.com/>>>>>> http://health. / groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/>>> http://www.thyroid- rt3.com/>>>>>> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/>>> http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =2C. Hunter

[Guest guest]

Here are my saliva results back in Jan and my thyroid labs from last month....I just retested and should have the new ones sometime in the next week or 2.Ferritin 30TSH 1.370 Range 0.450-4.500 T4 8.1 Range: 4.5-12.0 Reverse T3 306 Range; 90-350 TBO 10 Range 0-34Free T3 2.6 Range 2.0-4.4Salivary cortitol _ tested in Jan6-8am 12 (range 13-24) low11-12noon 7 (range 5-10) normal4-5pm 15 (range 3-8) elevated10-mid 22 (range 1-4) elevatedI thought adrenal fatigue is low cortisol, so I don't know what I have. I just am very ill, and have many symptoms!Liz

Adrenal fatigue can present in all sorts of ways. It depends on the severity. For me I am near adrenal failure so my saliva results were pretty much flatlined... low all day and low DHEA. Have you read the Stop the thyroid maddness site about adrenal fatigue? http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?s=adrenal+fatigue I also like Dr. Lam's site for explaining adrenal fatigue http://www.drlam.com/conditioncareguide/adrenalhealth.asp?tab=1 & condition=adrenalhealth

Some people with early stage adrenal fatigue go on HC to help rest the adrenals and rest the HPA axis. There are many uses. Did you have saliva testing done? If so can you share the results with ranges?

kitty

From: "starlightvisionsverizon (DOT) net" <starlightvisionsverizon (DOT) net>To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 9:55:09 PMSubject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwardsquickly. Help please! Kitty,Does it mean youj have adrenal fatigue if your cortisol is low in the morning and high the rest of the times?? I am confused how to treat high cortisol. HC is only used for low, correct? Or am I wrong? Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect

From: kitty Haindl <cubblebubble@ yahoo.com>

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:45:06 -0700 (PDT)

To: <RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards quickly. Help please!

Hehe... my story feels never ending... I have given up on docs... I actually feel better in 2 months than I have in a few years with the help of the girls here so self treating isn't so bad! I hope the cream helps I never was able to try it since almost all of them have ingredients I can't have. Please feel free to ask any questions

Kitty

From: Sunshine <sunnyblond62@ yahoo.com>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Wed, April 21, 2010 9:34:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards quickly. Help please!

Wow, Kitty. I just read your posts. You have quite a story!

Thanks for the link to the info on dosing with the cream. I'm hoping for a bit more info from Val and then I'm going to approach my doc to see if he'll give any help. If not, then it'll be on to the cream and self-treating.

Thanks again for your insight!

>>>

From: carolyn Hunter <hunter10039@ infostations. com>> Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards> quickly. Help please!> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 6:13 PM>>> Â >>>> you said:>> "I read in 's "Adrenal Fatigue" book last night about steroids and> cortisol weakening adrenals,">> I remark:>> It doesnt actually weaken the adrenals...it just sort of puts them to> sleep, so to speak....and your body got used to the higher dose you were> taking...and when you stopped suddenly...your adrenals were unable to

wake> up completely.>> I feel that Dr did you a dis-service by cutting you off suddenly without> tapering off slowly.>> probably out of his/her ignorance?>> nevertheless you probably DO need HC...but how to get it ASAP? i dont know> unless you find one of those smart in-the-know type of drs nearby who can> help you???>> like the other person said, in a pinch you can drop by a pharmacy and get> OTC hydrocortisone creame to slather on your skin so it gets> absorbed.... but BE CAREFUL YOU SHOULD ONLY USE A TINY AMOUNT AND I DONT> REMEMBER HOW MUCH!!!!>> C. Hunter>>> Did the doc say how the heck those meds were supposed to make your>> adrenals work again? I looked them up and I'm clueless on that one.>>>> If the steroids suppressed your adrenals (and those hefty doses probably>> did),

you have to wean off or get very sick, which you are already>> experiencing.>>>> I know this is supposed to be mod week off for adrenal stuff, so I'm not>> sure if Val will get to this right away. I just wanted to offer support.>> Given your initial saliva labs and the fact you felt better on steroids,>> you probably needed to be on HC anyway. But I am not qualified to say>> how>> much or what dosing based on your results.>>>> To go on steroids without your doctor's help, you can try HC cream (OTC)>> but HC online from sources, or order Isocort and just go by assumption>> one>> pellet is 1.5 mg hc. Unfortunately, I don't know how much to tell you>> take>> given that you were on all those steroids. But you could at least start>> with the 20 mg dosing until someone else helps

out.>>>> Hang in there!!>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: <artisticgroomer@ ...>>>> Subject: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards>>> quickly. Help please!>>> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>>> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 7:14 AM>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>>>>> The only way I cna help with what oyu need is fr you to go 2 weeks>>> wihtout ANY steroid and redo a saliva test. BUT form what I have seenin>>> the past, wiht already weak adrenals then several HEFTY doses of strong>>> steoids, and triamcinolone is WAY strogner t>> han 4 times cortiosl, Here>>> is a steroid converiosn tool, btu it says it si 5 times stronger than>>> HC>>> btu I have seen it listed as even stronger than

that depoending on>>> absorption.>>> http://www.globalrp h.com/steroid. cgi>>> At any rate you have been on hefty doses of steroids and as they wear>>> down you are havign allergies show up, a sure sign of adrenals that>>> crashed from the high steroid dosing. Now you nee dot go on steroids>>> until they can regain strength or a LONG slow taper. Basically this is>>> what we do to fix adrnals a taper that can last a couple years.>>>>>> -->>> >>> http://nthadrenalsw eb.org/>>> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo>>> rmonesADRENALS/>>> http://faqhelp. webs.com/>>>>>> http://health. / groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/>>> http://www.thyroid- rt3.com/>>>>>> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/>>> http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =2C. Hunter

[Guest guest]

I was actually diagnosed with Narcolepsy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcolepsy and crashed my car into someone! I feel much better on the HC, don't need Ritalin anymore but still constantly tired. I am still very hypothyroid though so that is a challenge.

Here is a page on the stages of adrenal fatigue http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

You look generally low like me. How do you feel?

Kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 10:50:54 PMSubject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwardsquickly. Help please!

Kitty, I saw the flatlined stage on adrenal fatigue. How frightening! Do you feel exhausted all of the time?

How would I know what stage of AF I'm in? My saliva results were as follows:

Morning - 4.5 (range 3.7 - 9.5)

Noon - 1.3 (range 1.2 - 3.0)

Evening - 0.6 (range 0.6 - 1.9)

Night - 0.1 (range 0.4 - 1.0)

Thanks again,

>>>

From: carolyn Hunter <hunter10039@ infostations. com>> Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards> quickly. Help please!> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 6:13 PM>>> Â >>>> you said:>> "I read in 's "Adrenal Fatigue" book last night about steroids and> cortisol weakening adrenals,">> I remark:>> It doesnt actually weaken the adrenals...it just sort of puts them to> sleep, so to speak....and your body got used to the higher dose you were> taking...and when you stopped suddenly...your adrenals were unable to

wake> up completely.>> I feel that Dr did you a dis-service by cutting you off suddenly without> tapering off slowly.>> probably out of his/her ignorance?>> nevertheless you probably DO need HC...but how to get it ASAP? i dont know> unless you find one of those smart in-the-know type of drs nearby who can> help you???>> like the other person said, in a pinch you can drop by a pharmacy and get> OTC hydrocortisone creame to slather on your skin so it gets> absorbed.... but BE CAREFUL YOU SHOULD ONLY USE A TINY AMOUNT AND I DONT> REMEMBER HOW MUCH!!!!>> C. Hunter>>> Did the doc say how the heck those meds were supposed to make your>> adrenals work again? I looked them up and I'm clueless on that one.>>>> If the steroids suppressed your adrenals (and those hefty doses probably>> did),

you have to wean off or get very sick, which you are already>> experiencing.>>>> I know this is supposed to be mod week off for adrenal stuff, so I'm not>> sure if Val will get to this right away. I just wanted to offer support.>> Given your initial saliva labs and the fact you felt better on steroids,>> you probably needed to be on HC anyway. But I am not qualified to say>> how>> much or what dosing based on your results.>>>> To go on steroids without your doctor's help, you can try HC cream (OTC)>> but HC online from sources, or order Isocort and just go by assumption>> one>> pellet is 1.5 mg hc. Unfortunately, I don't know how much to tell you>> take>> given that you were on all those steroids. But you could at least start>> with the 20 mg dosing until someone else helps

out.>>>> Hang in there!!>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: <artisticgroomer@ ...>>>> Subject: Re: Cortisol/Medrol - WOW - now sliding backwards>>> quickly. Help please!>>> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>>> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 7:14 AM>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>>>>> The only way I cna help with what oyu need is fr you to go 2 weeks>>> wihtout ANY steroid and redo a saliva test. BUT form what I have seenin>>> the past, wiht already weak adrenals then several HEFTY doses of strong>>> steoids, and triamcinolone is WAY strogner t>> han 4 times cortiosl, Here>>> is a steroid converiosn tool, btu it says it si 5 times stronger than>>> HC>>> btu I have seen it listed as even stronger than

that depoending on>>> absorption.>>> http://www.globalrp h.com/steroid. cgi>>> At any rate you have been on hefty doses of steroids and as they wear>>> down you are havign allergies show up, a sure sign of adrenals that>>> crashed from the high steroid dosing. Now you nee dot go on steroids>>> until they can regain strength or a LONG slow taper. Basically this is>>> what we do to fix adrnals a taper that can last a couple years.>>>>>> -->>> >>> http://nthadrenalsw eb.org/>>> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo>>> rmonesADRENALS/>>> http://faqhelp. webs.com/>>>>>> http://health. / groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/>>> http://www.thyroid- rt3.com/>>>>>> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/>>> http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =2C. Hunter