question

[Guest guest]

From: <schw9883@...>

> Does the frequency make a difference as far as what is being treated?

Depends....when one enters the realm of specific frequencies for specific

ailments I usually refer them to Rife technology....mostly because they are

light-years ahead in research in this area...if you search google for Rife

and MOR you'll should find plenty of frequencies.....it is still a hit and

miss thing though.... " bugs have a tendency to morph and change their

MOR....that why I like s original zapper and Becks blood purifier

because of the harmonics that are generated...even if the " bug " attempts to

morph, it should still morph into the harmonic range, i.e., it can't get

away...: )

I'd like to see them develop a way to amplify the harmonics rather than zoom

in on specific frequencies....

Khepri

[Guest guest]

on 9/4/03 3:16 PM, Matteo Carlone at matteocarlone@... wrote:

> Hello, I am , from Italy, mother of a 22 years old boy AS, not verbal

> and I ask your help for a problem with enzymes. My son is GFCF only from

> about 8 months and is doing better, with better sleep, and gut

> After 3 months of diet we added Enzymaid Kirkman for the possible

> infractions to the diet with no changes and then we turned to Enzym

> Complete with PPDIV.

> I think this is better for him, he seems happier, more " present " but when I

> try to reach the serving dose of 2 caps my son is more hyper screaming, and

> I have to return to one cap. If the dose is in relation to the amount of the

> meal and he eats a lot I don't understand why he reacts, I never tried for

> more than two days, maybe a longer time is necessary?

> I really thank this list for the help, because otherwise we don't have all

> the informations that I can read here, I apologize for my bad english.

> Regards

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ok, so the heel pain is one of the first signs? I had it really bad a year ago,

then in went away and now its back. The doctor told me I needed arch supports

but they hurt worse. until I just read about the planta fascititis (spelling) in

someones post I didnt realize it was related?

Can someone give me more info?

What about numbness in a shoulder? And whats the connection with carpal tunnel?

Ive already had the surgery.

Im only 29 and I feel like Im losing control the pain is so bad.

Im allergic to NSAIDS so that doesnt help.

Also, before this flare up I was rear ended in July, anyone else have that

happen? An accident trigger a flare?

Thanks for helping me.. Im new here!

Schak

[Editor's Note: I don't know if heel pain is common, as a first sign. I can say

it was, in my case. See what others say. Maybe it is; it certainly isn't always,

and I doubt it is even half of the cases.

In general, it's fair to say that stressed and injured joints are much, much

more likely to become arthritic; I too have had flareup related to an auto

accident (broken hip). I'm sure many others will provide you with their

experiences, and you can compare. Nice to have you with us. Good luck!

D.]

[Guest guest]

Here is what has helped me. It might help you. Do your homework

and read everything and find a doctor that can help you. Good Luck,

Hank

History:

Present - Minor Joint Aches, no inflammation, All pain stopped, day

hikes and grip greatly improved - normal; PA (Psoriatic Arthritis)

is about 95% gone; Psoriasis is all gone. No back pain, sleep well.

2/6/02- Lower back – Asymmetry sacroiliitis - X-ray reading – Sleep

problems (Pain waking me up twice or more a night). Built a

wheelchair ramp for the future. Sulfasalazine 3000mg did not work.

2/6/02 - Mild subluxation on MPC joints - X-ray reading – Brain Fog,

Depression; Methotrexate did not work

3/01 - Hands - joint inflammation, sausage fingers, weak grip

(trouble putting on socks) – constant pain; Cortisone shots.

11/99- Feet - joint inflammation, hammertoe, heal spur, Fibromyalgia

Syndrome (FM; FMS) – trouble walking Cortisone shots; Start of PA

5/85 – Psoriasis - Coal Tar and Dovonex did not work.

Procedure:

Minocin (Pelletized by Lederle) 1x and acidophilus 3x per day

Present - 100mg Mon, Tues, Wed, Thurs, Fri (Sun lamp every Sunday

Evening)

Sept 02 - Stopped all RA drugs when I felt better.

June-02- 100mg Mon, Wed, Fri

April 02 – 50mg Mon, Wed, Fri (No New Pains or symptoms since

starting)

DIET:

Do not eat any MSG or aspartame; see www.msgmyth.com Eliminating

MSG is not easy. These ALWAYS contain MSG: Glutamate, Glutamic acid,

Gelatin, Monosodium glutamate, Calcium caseinate, Textured protein,

Monopotassium glutamate, Sodium caseinate, Yeast nutrient Yeast

extract, Yeast food, Autolyzed yeast, Hydrolyzed protein (any

protein that is hydrolyzed) If anything, this will force you to eat

healthier.

Long-term low dosage of antibiotics for the treatment of auto-immune

diseases sites. I find these first two sites indispensable for its

practical personal info.

rheumatic/ (go to Polls)

http://www.remedyfind.com/hc-Rheumatoid-Arthritis.asp (Look at the

side info, after going into antibiotics)

These next two discuss the antibiotic protocols:

http://www.roadback.org/lit/facts.php?file=facts/ (Ask them for list

of doctors in your area)

http://www.immed.org/reports/treatment_considerations/TreatConsid-

Report-1.html

Read over materials supporting Antibiotic Protocol (AP) therapy and

its use in treating autoimmune diseases.

Please click the link below to read a very good study on Mycoplasma

strands proven to be present in Rheumatic Arthritis (RA) patients.

http://www.hbot4u.com/lupus4.html

This is a huge directory of links with Mycoplasma and its role in

specific diseases includes: Chronic fatigue, Fibromyalgia, and more.

http://dir.allzone.com/Health/Conditions_and_Diseases/Infectious_Dise

ases/Mycoplasmal/

Very GOOD article by the Arthritis Trust about Minocin!

http://www.arthritistrust.org/downloads/newslets/1999winter.pdf

" Mycoplasma Infections cause many chronic illness's "

http://www.haciendapub.com/article24.html

" Mycoplasma infections in RA, Lupus, Fibro., and chronic fatigue "

EXCELLENT ARTICLE!

http://www.immed.org/publications/autoimmune_illness/pub1-3-13-

00.html

Where to buy the Minocin: www.smartmedpharmacy.com

Call Terry first to verify that it is: 100mg pelletized by Lederle;

Price quantity of 100 ~ $100; Locally (Oregon) its $114 for 30 pills

[Guest guest]

Heel pain was my first sign of arthritis in 1992. (I was diagnosed with PA in

2001). It was diagnosed as gout and I still take allopurinol. I am asking my

rheumy to review the diagnosis of gout.

Re: [ ] Question

Ok, so the heel pain is one of the first signs? I had it really bad a year

ago, then in went away and now its back. The doctor told me I needed arch

supports but they hurt worse. until I just read about the planta fascititis

(spelling) in someones post I didnt realize it was related?

Can someone give me more info?

What about numbness in a shoulder? And whats the connection with carpal

tunnel? Ive already had the surgery.

Im only 29 and I feel like Im losing control the pain is so bad.

Im allergic to NSAIDS so that doesnt help.

Also, before this flare up I was rear ended in July, anyone else have that

happen? An accident trigger a flare?

Thanks for helping me.. Im new here!

Schak

[Editor's Note: I don't know if heel pain is common, as a first sign. I can

say it was, in my case. See what others say. Maybe it is; it certainly isn't

always, and I doubt it is even half of the cases.

In general, it's fair to say that stressed and injured joints are much, much

more likely to become arthritic; I too have had flareup related to an auto

accident (broken hip). I'm sure many others will provide you with their

experiences, and you can compare. Nice to have you with us. Good luck!

D.]

[Guest guest]

Hi,

My first diagnosis was " gout " I had one case approximately 5 years ago.

Took Allopurinol for 6 months! I now know that I had sausage toes? The

second final time was 1 year ago, first it was gout - the blood test

confirmed inflamation and uric acid crystals, so I took meds again, but by

January, I could not walk, my toes were so swollen, then they did a bone scan

and diagnosed Osteomyelitis, then into the hospital I went. Then into

surgery to debride the toes *E(^)*#@. Then insertion of a pic line for 6

weeks of IV antibiotics. Finally my Internist did RA testing and sent me to

a Rheumy, He said I NEVER had gout or Osteomyelitis.. and many time RA and PA

can present themselves like this. This second episode started in October

2001 and I was put into the hospital in January 2002, by that time my toes

felt like someone was constantly putting out a match on them. I could not

sleep, walk, or move without crying.

I am very cautious about any diagnosis of gout, please be careful, and check

with your Rheumy, tests can be misleading.

Gentle Hugs & Prayers,

Carol M.

[Guest guest]

Bless your heart!!!!!! You have a platefull girl. I don't know if I can answer

your question because there was so much infor given. It sound like Asperger's

to me. A lot of what I see or have seen in the past with Cameron, also what I

have heard from my friends with Aspie kids. I suggest making a list of all the

things that she does, that bother her, that just don't seem right to you. Give

the list to the doctor. That way nothing is left out. What do you also think

of bi-polar? My girlfriend has a daughter that has Asperger's and a few other

things in there as well. Has been diagnosed with depression as well as

bi-polar. She has the same things going on as well as your daughter. Read up

on everything and ask lots of questions.

Best of luck to you!!

Janelle

( ) question

Hi, its been awhile since i written to the group, my daughter stephanie is

11 and 1/2 now and recentlyyy had a IQ testing done also physcology testing

as well.Her neurologist said possible asperger's disorder/adhd also

emtionally handicapped as well,although she can do her sixth grade work she

is servely delayed in the social skills almost act like a six year

old.yesterday they suugest fragile x syndrome to me and to be tested

considering the family history.Mine you i have four girls from my ex-husband

all four girls have medical problems/christina who is 14 was normal at birth

and through on until she reached 13 last year and had a seizure at

school.diagnosed as epsiliey(maybe spelled wrong sorry),my 13 year old was

28 weeks at birth weighed 3 lbs 90z was in the nicu for 3 months had

breathing problems on oxygen 60 % since birth.had respirstory problems as

well she was diagnosed as serve autism at one currently reading 3-4 grade

reading level home schooled.my next is stephanie orginally diagnosed as

adhd/ocd behavior but was not getting along socially with other

kids.screamed in classroom rocking behavior/repeating things but still

diagnosed her as adhd.my fourth child had hydrocephlus at birth doing fine

in regular school.but history is my cousin child is also austic serve/as

well as my grandmother sister back than and now is hushed matter in the

family.my ex also has two other children by two diferant women as far as

heard from his father which i write almost daily,he said my ex children both

have dvelopmenatl problems as well as adhd and aggression problems.i just so

confused steph fits both diagnoses here asperger's disorder and fragile x is

is possible for both. and as well the adhd.she no longer shows any ocd

behavior currently on addreall 25 mg tried everything else before meds, diet

change/behavior modification for almost 4 years no help there.one to one is

alright she fine but in group she yells and screams alot of more than 20

kids or adults so going to the mall or food shopping we go to 24 hours

stores.where we can go early dueing the day or late at night,but with so

much diagnoses my head is spinning around i just want her to be able to be

self independant as much as possible. we have tried cards and schedule in

writing with everytime she does something or remembers something she has to

do(ie:combing hair/brushing teeth/clean underwear)she will get a star so far

this doesnt work either including pictures of children from morning to they

go to sleep she will forget something.she hates change in routine but excels

in puzzles and crosswords and computer games figureing them out is a

breeze.she also memorizes show tunes from cartoons by heart and knows every

pokeman character and their battle types.also has to sleep on the floor

never bed /certain clothes bug the hell out of her and sleeps with the real

estate channel on current events cant be brought up she will worry about to

death very anxious.so help and tell me what you all think thanks for all

your support .

cynthia blanchard

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[Guest guest]

Only got a minute, but wanted to comment that she may have some

sensory issues (fine 1:1, not in groups) like too much going on

around her at one time, etc., hates feel of certain things.... Has

anyone addressed this? Perhaps sensory integration dysfunction

(SID)? An occupational therapist can help in these areas. I think

AS, ADHD, etc., can all have issues in " sensory " areas.

Just a thought!

- single mom, 3 sons - , 14, with OCD, dysgraphia, and now HFA

>

>

> Hi, its been awhile since i written to the group, my daughter

stephanie is

> 11 and 1/2 now and recentlyyy had a IQ testing done also physcology

testing

> as well.Her neurologist said possible asperger's disorder/adhd also

> emtionally handicapped as well,although she can do her sixth grade

work she

> is servely delayed in the social skills almost act like a six year

> old.yesterday they suugest fragile x syndrome to me and to be

[Guest guest]

> teresa paida <chiratmp@...> wrote:I am new to here and perhaps say

too many things --

> the whole story is -- and will always be -- god bless

> america

Whereare you from ? Any participation is always encouraged as we are

all here to help one another.

I notice you never mention the parsley water. Do you drink that yourself or

just the three things because they work alone?

Khepri

[Guest guest]

What are the names of the movies?

/ 4makelas@...

Way, Way Up in Northern Ontario

[Guest guest]

There are over one hundred of them. Here are some Who Gets The House?The

ButterCream GangBehind The WaterfallNo More BathsOn Our OwnScamper The

PenquinThe Seventh BrotherSeasons Of The Heart

the 4 makelas <4makelas@...> wrote:What are the names of the movies?

/ 4makelas@...

Way, Way Up in Northern Ontario

[Guest guest]

Bingo!

You got your answer, LD, many people after asking the question about BP. many LD

victims have Low BP and slow heart rate, my father and I both have low Bp

103/63 regularly,, we tend to go up or down more when infection or pain

increases.

Get your self a LLMD and you will be on your way to a better life!

[ ] Question

Anyone without a dx of Lyme, but know you have had it for years. All

tests neg. Now have a low b/p and slow heart rate (40-50 beats a

minute) Stress test was fine. Dx with fibromyalgai and arthritis in

1993. Believe it is all Lyme. I am on Long Island, New York.

Anyone with some thoughts? Thanks.. Carol

[Guest guest]

Did any of you ever hear of " central " hypogonadism? My endo used the

term when I had my last check-up. He continued me on weekly shots

with a stable 950 level. Even at that level I fight depression on a

continual basis.

Any information would be helpful. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

I'm pretty sure it's another term for secondary hypogonadism.

What it means is that your hypothalmus-pituitary axis doesn't send

out the signals. In addition to low testosterone, you could have

other pituitary hormones out of wack. The doc should check you for

everything. Growth Hormone, Thyroid, all of it..

Jerry

> Did any of you ever hear of " central " hypogonadism? My endo used

the

> term when I had my last check-up. He continued me on weekly shots

> with a stable 950 level. Even at that level I fight depression on

a

> continual basis.

>

> Any information would be helpful. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

We've had this discussion before.

I've postulated that there may exist more than one neural pathway to

depression, if that's a correct nomenclature, one amenable to testosterone

and the other refractory to testosterone. Last year during consultation

session with my psychiatrist, I asked him about this and he agreed.

I had T level measured Aug '97 (when I was 59) and it was 607 (241 - 827).

As I'm HIV+ (reckon I became infected in 1981 when I was 43) I was on

Zoloft at the time. Psychiatrist took me off Zoloft and mid Oct '97 I went

on Wellbutrin...that didn't do it....suicidal ideation became more

intense...mid Dec '97 psychiatrist added Lithobid (mood stabilizer) and that

did it. I've been on that regimen since.

The only time that I have suicidal ideation or think about depression is to

think with medications, they're non issue for me now.

For me I characterized my depression as complete " self absorption " I was so

focused on myself. And suicidal ideation was like being in a dark, black,

deep well.

Generally depression is treated very easily....

Good luck,

OR eon

RE: Question

Did any of you ever hear of " central " hypogonadism? My endo used the

term when I had my last check-up. He continued me on weekly shots

with a stable 950 level. Even at that level I fight depression on a

continual basis.

Any information would be helpful. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

> We've had this discussion before.

>

> I've postulated that there may exist more than one neural pathway

to

> depression, if that's a correct nomenclature, one amenable to

testosterone

> and the other refractory to testosterone. Last year during

consultation

> session with my psychiatrist, I asked him about this and he agreed.

>

> I had T level measured Aug '97 (when I was 59) and it was 607

(241 - 827).

> As I'm HIV+ (reckon I became infected in 1981 when I was 43) I

was on

> Zoloft at the time. Psychiatrist took me off Zoloft and mid

Oct '97 I went

> on Wellbutrin...that didn't do it....suicidal ideation became more

> intense...mid Dec '97 psychiatrist added Lithobid (mood

stabilizer) and that

> did it. I've been on that regimen since.

>

> The only time that I have suicidal ideation or think about

depression is to

> think with medications, they're non issue for me now.

>

> For me I characterized my depression as complete " self

absorption " I was so

> focused on myself. And suicidal ideation was like being in a

dark, black,

> deep well.

>

> Generally depression is treated very easily....

>

> Good luck,

>

> OR eon

>

> RE: Question

>

> Did any of you ever hear of " central " hypogonadism? My endo used

the

> term when I had my last check-up. He continued me on weekly shots

> with a stable 950 level. Even at that level I fight depression on

a

> continual basis.

>

> Any information would be helpful. Thanks.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " iris atzmon " <atzmonh@...>

> They speak to researchers, they talk about how good is Dana Farber, (I

don't

> know details about the institution, maybe there is something to tell?)

>

> I was targeted as big X and I was told to bug off etc..

> But I do believe in those methods.

Which? s or Farber?

> based on what I read ...yet I really believe, what do you answer to

people

> who want research about Hulda

> and attack her in a very extreme way?

Myself, I call that " stinkin' thinkin'... If they want to worship at

the church of the white coats and green pockets, we have to let them...I

guess it's their choice...

I'm not clear on what you mean about " they want to research and attack

her " ?

Why there are still people out there that will not admit the world is

round and not flat....they refuse to be convinced...

I blame our schooling methods as we long ago stopped teaching people how

to think and started teaching through repition of facts and multiple

choice.....and the more they lower the standars the more arrogant the

graduates are!.....this is what we end up with......

> and where can a person be cuerd with reliable Rife method, not quacks?

You won't find anyone that will use the word " cured " , as to identifying

" quacks " educate youself on Rifes theories and techniques and you will

be able to spot the ones yourself.....

> I was

> told about a barn near Texas....hiding from FDA. Are these the kind of

> places people hide?

Only the " quacks " hide like that.

>How can we spread it?

You do research with the device, you document your results to the best

of your ability, if you treat another you do not charge for the

treatment.

Khepri

>

> Iris.

[Guest guest]

Hi Iris, Welcome to the group. See below for specifics....

>From: " iris atzmon " <atzmonh@...>

>Reply-Dr

><Dr >

>Subject: Question

>Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:10:00 +0200

>

>Hello,

>

>I would like to pose a question, I am new here.

>I was naive enough to speak about Rife and Hulda in a forum of

>people

>who have brain cancer, who despise Hulda and I didn't know it... ( " no

>license, no research proof,

>only testimonials, we don't believe in testimonials, only research, we

>called her she said it was not tested " )

I know how you feel being naive. I was that way in my younger days when I

was first discovering the wonderful news that we don't have to be sick and

tired, as long as we are willing to admit that the drug and cut lords don't

have all the answers.... Like you, I assumed that when I passed on the

information that I had found so encouraging others would be as excited as I

was with the joy of discovery Sadly, that was far from the case. I

could speculate all day as well as anyone about what deficiencies in human

natrue that cause this to be true, but the fact is that people don't want to

take responsibility for their health. Fact is, when people can (in general

- that means there are specific exceptions), they want to shirk tiheir

responsibility in a lot of ways. Then, they blame someone else when things

don't go right. This is certainly true in health. People prefer to beilive

the lie that Doctors know so much better than us ignorant folk about what's

good for us, that there's no use in us trying to learn about how we can be

healthy - except to accept blindly what the doctors tell us. You and I

arent' going to change human nature in general. We can along the way

introduce willing people to alternative methods, but willing people are few

and far between. The internet is the best thing that has happened to

educating willing people on alternative methods. We are few and far

between, but can share information world wide as long as we can speak a

common language.

>

>About Rife- again- 'if it was so good it would have been used much more

>with big profits "

>but at he same time don't want to read Lynes book about him ( " no time " ...)

>

>They speak to researchers, they talk about how good is Dana Farber, (I

>don't

>know details about the institution, maybe there is something to tell?)

>

> I was targeted as big X and I was told to bug off etc..

>But I do believe in those methods.

>based on what I read ...yet I really believe, what do you answer to people

>who want research about Hulda

>and attack her in a very extreme way?

>and where can a person be cuerd with reliable Rife method, not quacks? I

>was

>told about a barn near Texas....hiding from FDA. Are these the kind of

>places people hide? How can we spread it?

>

>Iris.

Quacks and real healers alike at times hide from the established

conventional medical world in this country (USA). That's because they are

both hunted down and their practices destroyed so that they can no longer

practice their quacker or healing as the case may be. I agree with about

everything Khepri says except that in the USA only quacks hide You won't

find a list of alternative healers that could be obtained by the Quackwatch

and provide easy pickings for them. They would then know where to throw

their seemingly unlimited money in their zeal to eliminate the competition

to the drug and surgery industry.

It sounds like you are just getting started along the road to learning about

alternatirve methods that work to promote better health, as well as the

harrasement and hindrace by those promoting methods that at best cover

symptoms while causing or allowing health to deteriorate. Keep learning and

this one of many good places to learn Of course, I could be wrong on

that and it wouldn't be the first time. The best you can do is educate

yourself and any family and friends that you can have an influence over.

What you have experienced on the other list is the reason there are

alternative friendly lsts on the net, and their rules requiring alternative

friendly people only as members must at times be enforced. The people who

oppose alternative methods sometimes show up here and intentionallly try and

cause disruption. You other list to which you refer is not alternative

friendly, and there's nothing you can do about that unless you were to

receive the ownership of the list.

Glad you are here.

Vince

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[Guest guest]

Badly needing help,

I was told by a specialist that if I do not go for surgery I would die within a

year. I opted for NO surgery or commercial medical treatment. I do go for

blood tests and ultra sound.

I am alive and kick'n 3 years after the original prognosis. Recent ultra sound

tests show shrinkage of the tumor. But it still is there.

I use Essiac, 714X, Vitamin C and the Hoxsey formula (when I am not on Essiac)

and go on and off B3 and beta carotene. Diet was very strict at first and I

have started to let some things like coffee slip into my daily regime. But I

still drink alot of green tea.

None of the treatments I use are covered by insurance and no local so-called

doctor would help me get 714X which is available through Health Canada

(doublespeak). So I searched and found a reliable black market source of 714X .

If I had the money I'd ship myself off to a health spa in the sun and soak up

the " healing " vibes and be treated to the best natural healing methods

available. Instead I am learning to heal myself at home on a shoe string

budget. Trying new things like - music lessons!! Yoga. Learning to be patient

with healing myself and listening to my body.

Aesculapius-Canada

Count all your wounds that brought you here.

Lay your blessings end to end.

Rid yourself of all regrets,

Because here is where it all begins.

-Excerpt from the Cowboy Junkies " I'm so Open "

???? <stephanne909@...> wrote:

I have a question. How many of you have been cured of cancer by

using natural things? I am not going to cut,burn, or poison myself.

I need to know what therapies work and where to get it done. Also,

are these therapies covered by insurance. I have heard of a clinic

in Athens,Oh run by Dr. Knouse. Please, if anyone can answer

my questions. I am needing help badly. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Aesculapius,

Have you tried checking you pH? We have found that as long as you can raise your

pH above 7.2 at least some parts of the day, healing will commence. Cells that

remain acid will eventually become toxic, but when allowed back to alkaline, the

homeostasis will kick back in, and help the cells revert to healthy. The check

is a simple litmus paper strip that you wet with your saliva. The pH paper is

available in any garden supply store.

We offer a number of products that help with alkalizing. But there are many

lifestyle methods that do not even require a purchase of any special or high

priced supplements. If you go to the Books section of our website, you can find

several that address the issue. We are making a huge difference in the lives of

people who are willing to educate themselves and make some simple changes.

www.life-enthusiast.com

From: aesculapius_ca

Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 6:44 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] question

Badly needing help,

I was told by a specialist that if I do not go for surgery I would die within

a year. I opted for NO surgery or commercial medical treatment. I do go for

blood tests and ultra sound.

I am alive and kick'n 3 years after the original prognosis. Recent ultra

sound tests show shrinkage of the tumor. But it still is there.

I use Essiac, 714X, Vitamin C and the Hoxsey formula (when I am not on Essiac)

and go on and off B3 and beta carotene. Diet was very strict at first and I

have started to let some things like coffee slip into my daily regime. But I

still drink alot of green tea.

None of the treatments I use are covered by insurance and no local so-called

doctor would help me get 714X which is available through Health Canada

(doublespeak). So I searched and found a reliable black market source of 714X .

If I had the money I'd ship myself off to a health spa in the sun and soak up

the " healing " vibes and be treated to the best natural healing methods

available. Instead I am learning to heal myself at home on a shoe string

budget. Trying new things like - music lessons!! Yoga. Learning to be patient

with healing myself and listening to my body.

Aesculapius-Canada

Count all your wounds that brought you here.

Lay your blessings end to end.

Rid yourself of all regrets,

Because here is where it all begins.

-Excerpt from the Cowboy Junkies " I'm so Open "

???? <stephanne909@...> wrote:

I have a question. How many of you have been cured of cancer by

using natural things? I am not going to cut,burn, or poison myself.

I need to know what therapies work and where to get it done. Also,

are these therapies covered by insurance. I have heard of a clinic

in Athens,Oh run by Dr. Knouse. Please, if anyone can answer

my questions. I am needing help badly. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Sue, my insurance company paid for 12 weeks and then decided that I was cured.

Now everything I do such as doctors, medicine and test are questioned and have

to go through many(and I mean many) appeals. They need to get their heads out

of their butts, and check out some of these Lyme sites and see how we live our

everyday lifes.

Janet

Sue Vogan <suelymer97@...> wrote:

I have been reading up on the W.H.O and NIAID (research groups)....anyone else?

Also, been researching drug companies (Pfizer seems to be listed the rishest

company on the Fortune 500 list). And, wanted to know if anyone has had

problems with their insurance companies....not paying for treatment, denying

LLMDs, etc..

Thanks.........sue

[Guest guest]

I think Andy said something about 18 months waiting reccently, but I could be

wrong.

Dagmar.

[ ] Question

I am hoping to get my amalgams removed in March/April.

We are hoping to get pregnant after that time......is there a time

period after amalgam removal to wait for pregnancy?

We may wait for chelation as the access to chelation materials is

difficult in Africa where we are now, as is importation.....

Thank you,

Susie

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

I have heard one and a half years after detoxing thrown around. The point

is, you want to have as little mercury in your body as you can. As a former

international kid, I'm afraid my firstborn might have gotten a bunch from

me, but who's to say?

Barb

[ ] Question

> I am hoping to get my amalgams removed in March/April.

>

> We are hoping to get pregnant after that time......is there a time

> period after amalgam removal to wait for pregnancy?

>

> We may wait for chelation as the access to chelation materials is

> difficult in Africa where we are now, as is importation.....

>

> Thank you,

>

> Susie

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

wOOH PONY!

I am so suprised. I was thinking 1 or 2 months after my amalgams

were out until I could get pregnant.....I've been trying to wait for

the weaning of my current baby, in order to get them out......I

wasn't prepared to wait years after my amalgams were out to get

pregnant again.....Chelation is in the future, hopefully, but when I

have more access to the chelation elements.....

hmmm......1 1/2 years.....where could I get more info on this...

Susie

> I have heard one and a half years after detoxing thrown around.

The point

> is, you want to have as little mercury in your body as you can. As

a former

> international kid, I'm afraid my firstborn might have gotten a

bunch from

> me, but who's to say?

> Barb

> [ ] Question

>

>

> > I am hoping to get my amalgams removed in March/April.

> >

> > We are hoping to get pregnant after that time......is there a time

> > period after amalgam removal to wait for pregnancy?

> >

> > We may wait for chelation as the access to chelation materials is

> > difficult in Africa where we are now, as is importation.....

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Susie

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

There is currently no test on Earth to determine you are 100% clean

of mercury once you have been exposed. So " how clean " you are

and " how fast " you can get mercury out of your system, are relative

questions.

> > I have heard one and a half years after detoxing thrown around.

> The point

> > is, you want to have as little mercury in your body as you can.

As

> a former

> > international kid, I'm afraid my firstborn might have gotten a

> bunch from

> > me, but who's to say?

> > Barb

> > [ ] Question

> >

> >

> > > I am hoping to get my amalgams removed in March/April.

> > >

> > > We are hoping to get pregnant after that time......is there a

time

> > > period after amalgam removal to wait for pregnancy?

> > >

> > > We may wait for chelation as the access to chelation materials

is

> > > difficult in Africa where we are now, as is importation.....

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > > Susie

> > >

> > >

> > > =======================================================

> > >