RE: Do i need more Armour or T4?

[Guest guest]

That's me, skipping the morning dose of thyroid, had the last thyroid tests

around 8 to 9 in the morning, but I'm a nightworker and had my last dose at

about 3 in the morning or so. My TSH was completely suppressed, Free T4 was

1.2 (with the upper range being 1.8), and Free T3 being, I think, 4.5 (upper

range being 4.2, I think). The TSH dropped so fast from the last testing, 3

months before that, with those Free values coming up so fast in that time

period, that I can't help but think that the very high antibodies of both

common types, in the thousands, probably had much to do with that. Thinking

about those fast changing values, this has been my wonder, whether it was

the antibodies, or was it adrenal fatigue. Never had the adrenal testing

done, so I'm still thinking outloud about this.

Re: Do i need more Armour or T4?

>

>

> About high T3 and relatively low doses of thyroid. T3 can go high in

> adrenal fatigue. Since the thyroid adjusts output down by whatever

> you take under what your healthy thyroid would make, your blood

> levels of T3 should not go high on doses less than about 4-1/2 to 5

> grains (very rough number of what a healthy thyroid makes a day,

> people vary greatly in thyroid output). If they do, it is usually

> due to adrenal fatigue. When there is not enough cortisol from the

> adrenals, thyroid hormone cannot get into tissues and will build up

> in the blood. T3 especially will build up because lack of sufficient

> cortisol will make tissues resistant to T3 and unable to use it. So,

> if you take a blood test with adrenal fatigue, you can get high

> results even though your dose may not be high enough to fully treat

> your hypothyroidism. T3 can also go high if you have the blood test

> within a few hours of your thyroid dose. Many people do not take

> their morning dose on the day of tests.

>

> Tish

[Guest guest]

That's me, skipping the morning dose of thyroid, had the last thyroid tests

around 8 to 9 in the morning, but I'm a nightworker and had my last dose at

about 3 in the morning or so. My TSH was completely suppressed, Free T4 was

1.2 (with the upper range being 1.8), and Free T3 being, I think, 4.5 (upper

range being 4.2, I think). The TSH dropped so fast from the last testing, 3

months before that, with those Free values coming up so fast in that time

period, that I can't help but think that the very high antibodies of both

common types, in the thousands, probably had much to do with that. Thinking

about those fast changing values, this has been my wonder, whether it was

the antibodies, or was it adrenal fatigue. Never had the adrenal testing

done, so I'm still thinking outloud about this.

Re: Do i need more Armour or T4?

>

>

> About high T3 and relatively low doses of thyroid. T3 can go high in

> adrenal fatigue. Since the thyroid adjusts output down by whatever

> you take under what your healthy thyroid would make, your blood

> levels of T3 should not go high on doses less than about 4-1/2 to 5

> grains (very rough number of what a healthy thyroid makes a day,

> people vary greatly in thyroid output). If they do, it is usually

> due to adrenal fatigue. When there is not enough cortisol from the

> adrenals, thyroid hormone cannot get into tissues and will build up

> in the blood. T3 especially will build up because lack of sufficient

> cortisol will make tissues resistant to T3 and unable to use it. So,

> if you take a blood test with adrenal fatigue, you can get high

> results even though your dose may not be high enough to fully treat

> your hypothyroidism. T3 can also go high if you have the blood test

> within a few hours of your thyroid dose. Many people do not take

> their morning dose on the day of tests.

>

> Tish

[Guest guest]

Yes, and I think that many of us here are part of that what, 2.5% on the

upper edge that got left out of the determination for what's so called

" normal " . Even at that, many normal people may be well above that 2.5% of

normal all their lives and feeling very well, despite these silly figures of

what's normal. Many people ran on high levels of everything their whole

normal lives, so that a sudden drop in any of these hormones was more

devastating to them, more so than someone who normally had a little bit

lower output of EVERYthing in their bodies. Human chemistry is complicated

and very individual.

Re: Do i need more Armour or T4?

>

>

> >Since the thyroid adjusts output down by whatever you take under

> >what your healthy thyroid would make, your blood levels of T3

> >should not go high on doses less than about 4-1/2 to 5 grains

>

> Unless I am misreading what you wrote, Tish, the above is not

> necessarily true. Many folks here are on less than 4 1/2 grains,

> have high T3, and do not have sluggish adrenals. Perhaps the

> confusion in the above is the lack of definition of what

> constitutes " high " .

>

> Janie

[Guest guest]

Yes, and I think that many of us here are part of that what, 2.5% on the

upper edge that got left out of the determination for what's so called

" normal " . Even at that, many normal people may be well above that 2.5% of

normal all their lives and feeling very well, despite these silly figures of

what's normal. Many people ran on high levels of everything their whole

normal lives, so that a sudden drop in any of these hormones was more

devastating to them, more so than someone who normally had a little bit

lower output of EVERYthing in their bodies. Human chemistry is complicated

and very individual.

Re: Do i need more Armour or T4?

>

>

> >Since the thyroid adjusts output down by whatever you take under

> >what your healthy thyroid would make, your blood levels of T3

> >should not go high on doses less than about 4-1/2 to 5 grains

>

> Unless I am misreading what you wrote, Tish, the above is not

> necessarily true. Many folks here are on less than 4 1/2 grains,

> have high T3, and do not have sluggish adrenals. Perhaps the

> confusion in the above is the lack of definition of what

> constitutes " high " .

>

> Janie

[Guest guest]

Yes, and I think that many of us here are part of that what, 2.5% on the

upper edge that got left out of the determination for what's so called

" normal " . Even at that, many normal people may be well above that 2.5% of

normal all their lives and feeling very well, despite these silly figures of

what's normal. Many people ran on high levels of everything their whole

normal lives, so that a sudden drop in any of these hormones was more

devastating to them, more so than someone who normally had a little bit

lower output of EVERYthing in their bodies. Human chemistry is complicated

and very individual.

Re: Do i need more Armour or T4?

>

>

> >Since the thyroid adjusts output down by whatever you take under

> >what your healthy thyroid would make, your blood levels of T3

> >should not go high on doses less than about 4-1/2 to 5 grains

>

> Unless I am misreading what you wrote, Tish, the above is not

> necessarily true. Many folks here are on less than 4 1/2 grains,

> have high T3, and do not have sluggish adrenals. Perhaps the

> confusion in the above is the lack of definition of what

> constitutes " high " .

>

> Janie

[Guest guest]

All these differences is why all the thyroid groups may exist and work the

way they all do. If you can find 1000 people with thyroid disease, and out

of those 1000, maybe 10 people are sort of " like you " , then, in the " weeding

out " process, you may gather several answers for yourself that came from 5

or 6 people. Maybe I'm not doing too good a job of explaining this, but

thank God for the Groups!!

Re: Re: Do i need more Armour or T4?

>

> Hi jayne

>

> Well the highest I have been was 7.3 that was after I switched back from

> Armour to T4, I went from just under 1 grain, to 50mcg of T4 and my T3

sored, it

> was really strange my T4 was low and TSH 40. Our range is over here (uk)

is

> 6.0 for T3. So I got so scared because I thought it was so dangerous to

have

> such high T3.

> I'm going to ask Peatfield about this when I see him. I think your right

in

> saying, it's best to judge your own symptoms!

>

> kate

[Guest guest]

All these differences is why all the thyroid groups may exist and work the

way they all do. If you can find 1000 people with thyroid disease, and out

of those 1000, maybe 10 people are sort of " like you " , then, in the " weeding

out " process, you may gather several answers for yourself that came from 5

or 6 people. Maybe I'm not doing too good a job of explaining this, but

thank God for the Groups!!

Re: Re: Do i need more Armour or T4?

>

> Hi jayne

>

> Well the highest I have been was 7.3 that was after I switched back from

> Armour to T4, I went from just under 1 grain, to 50mcg of T4 and my T3

sored, it

> was really strange my T4 was low and TSH 40. Our range is over here (uk)

is

> 6.0 for T3. So I got so scared because I thought it was so dangerous to

have

> such high T3.

> I'm going to ask Peatfield about this when I see him. I think your right

in

> saying, it's best to judge your own symptoms!

>

> kate

[Guest guest]

All these differences is why all the thyroid groups may exist and work the

way they all do. If you can find 1000 people with thyroid disease, and out

of those 1000, maybe 10 people are sort of " like you " , then, in the " weeding

out " process, you may gather several answers for yourself that came from 5

or 6 people. Maybe I'm not doing too good a job of explaining this, but

thank God for the Groups!!

Re: Re: Do i need more Armour or T4?

>

> Hi jayne

>

> Well the highest I have been was 7.3 that was after I switched back from

> Armour to T4, I went from just under 1 grain, to 50mcg of T4 and my T3

sored, it

> was really strange my T4 was low and TSH 40. Our range is over here (uk)

is

> 6.0 for T3. So I got so scared because I thought it was so dangerous to

have

> such high T3.

> I'm going to ask Peatfield about this when I see him. I think your right

in

> saying, it's best to judge your own symptoms!

>

> kate

[Guest guest]

Hyper is worse than hypo in my experience. I was on Welbutrin for a few days a

few years ago then stopped it because I was so hyper, shaking, heart racing,

even manic. Caffeine does the same thing to me.

Re: Re: Do i need more Armour or T4?

I respect that, it must be horrible being hyper. The worst i ever had being

heart palps and pounding at night!

[Guest guest]

Hyper is worse than hypo in my experience. I was on Welbutrin for a few days a

few years ago then stopped it because I was so hyper, shaking, heart racing,

even manic. Caffeine does the same thing to me.

Re: Re: Do i need more Armour or T4?

I respect that, it must be horrible being hyper. The worst i ever had being

heart palps and pounding at night!

[Guest guest]

Hyper is worse than hypo in my experience. I was on Welbutrin for a few days a

few years ago then stopped it because I was so hyper, shaking, heart racing,

even manic. Caffeine does the same thing to me.

Re: Re: Do i need more Armour or T4?

I respect that, it must be horrible being hyper. The worst i ever had being

heart palps and pounding at night!

[Guest guest]

Are You OK now. Do you take Armour? or any adrenal support?

kate

[Guest guest]

Are You OK now. Do you take Armour? or any adrenal support?

kate