Guest guest Posted April 6, 2002 Report Share Posted April 6, 2002 At 11:21 PM 4/5/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Suze, > >****I asked Dan about the fraud claims you mentioned. He told me he's >familiar with a number of such claims, many from competitors at wilderness >schools in the west it seems. Thats sad. Keyword here is competitors. Was brought up that competition is only with oneself. we KNEW he was there. There's no reason that we shouldn't have >noticed him before, except that we were exceptionally UNaware people. I seem to have developed that circle vision outside when I was a child. Spent alot of time in the woods, went hunting andfishing with Dad a few times. Tom calls it something else. The senses become more acute and you become a part of wherever you are. Walking through the woods a few years back with my husband and a hunting buddy the buddy was surprised at what I heard and saw before him. > > >You mentioned that too many pieces of your childhood was native american - >is part of your heritage native american? If so, what nation/tribe? Or did >you grow up under the tutelage of some native americans? My father's father was Mohawk. Dad spent 9 years with his Dad, won't talk about him yet has never lived his life like any other men his age. Hard to explain other than there is a respect for all life and moral code that is different than the norm. Lineage is matrilineal for the Iroquois and has to be 1/4 so my grandfather is the wrong gender for recognition. There's Irish, English and Blackfoot on that side of the family too. Mom's side French, Abenaki from Quebec and Cree. > > >>>>> What really blew me away was one day before I quit >working at a bank a man came in. I cashed his check, he asked why I didn't >ID >him, told him he was a schoolmates father and I knew him. He asked who I >was, >told him and he goes your Dad is quite a hunter. He then described to me >exactly Tom Brown's first deer hunt only it was how he knew my Dad had >hunted a deer as a much younger man. > >***I don't understand what you're saying here...? Dan mentioned that tom's >first deer hunt was a poignant story in which he first became aware of the >lifeforce/spirit/ki of plants...is your story tied in to that? Don't remember that as part of it or which book he talks of it. Basically its many days of becoming familiar with a group of deer's paths, letting them become familiar with your presence until you can bethere unknown, choosing one that won't make it through the winter (Tom did), was older like WAP describes, finding a tree above the path, falling onto the deer, cutting the throat, staying there to feel the life go that you've taken and giving thanks for it giving you life. I didn't get details from the man other than he did it with a knife. I never have said a word to my Dad about it as that would go to where he doesn't want to remember I guess. In truth no one can do this without the skill or art that is not present today. If this offends anyone I apologize. Maybe I've said too much. > >>>>>I really am just suggesting that there may be more to the robust >>health of the groups he studied than just the physical components of their >>diets. > >>>>Its a common mind and the common good. > >***Yes, and perhaps not the just the common good of the *group* but of all >that sustains it, and to which it wil return... And when anyone's life is disrespected, all life is Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2002 Report Share Posted April 6, 2002 Hi Wanita, Me: we KNEW he was there. There's no reason that we shouldn't have >noticed him before, except that we were exceptionally UNaware people. ***I should add, our group was probably not any less aware than most americans... >>>>I seem to have developed that circle vision outside when I was a child. Spent alot of time in the woods, went hunting andfishing with Dad a few times. Tom calls it something else. The senses become more acute and you become a part of wherever you are. ***I spent my childhood in the Maine woods, although I'm not sure if I developed the vision that you speak of. The woods were my home and I never feared them, the way I sometimes fear cities. Once, when I was about 8 or 9, I spent the night at my friend's father's trailer, which was surrounded by forest. Her dad was a musician and was gone all night. So we were there alone, and we thought we heard someone outside the trailer. We were so frightened, we hid inside the bathroom holding whatever weapon we could find (a toothbrush in my case, I think) and we were quite paralyzed with fear. We were sure someone was there. I just couldn't stand being closed in the bathroom so we burst out and ran out the front door. It must've been around 12 or 1 a.m. at this point. It was pitch dark and there was a storm - it was raining buckets. We just ran straight for the woods. And we kept running and running until we tired. At that point we were lost. My friend was crying and was a bit hysterical, but I felt we would be fine - after all we were in the woods! I led her out, I don't know how because it was pitch dark and the pouring rain didn't help (we were in night gowns), but I just listened because I knew we'd eventually come close enough to the road to hear any passing car. Although I'm not sure why a car would be driving on that country road so late, but one was and I heard it. And we found our way home from there. Maybe my senses *were* heightened when I needed them to be most. In contrast, I have spent most of my adult life living and working in large cities (Philly, Miami, Boston) and have never felt the sense of belonging as I do in the woods. Although I love much about the city! In fact it's an ongoing internal debate - should I move to the country or to the city? But the woods will always be home. Although I have found that I don't feel at home in the woods of other regions such as florida or nepal, where the woods did not feel like 'home' to me as they do here in the northeast u.s. >>>Walking through the woods a few years back with my husband and a hunting buddy the buddy was surprised at what I heard and saw before him. ***Makes you wonder how acutely aware someone is, who lives in the woods and hones those skills daily. Imagine hunter/gatherer cultures in which the very existence of the group depends on such awareness and skills. You know how unaware an infant is of it's surroundings, we are probably much like sensory/awareness infants in modern societies as compared to primitives... > >>>>Don't remember that as part of it or which book he talks of it. Basically its many days of becoming familiar with a group of deer's paths, letting them become familiar with your presence until you can bethere unknown, choosing one that won't make it through the winter (Tom did), was older like WAP describes, finding a tree above the path, falling onto the deer, cutting the throat, staying there to feel the life go that you've taken and giving thanks for it giving you life. I didn't get details from the man other than he did it with a knife. I never have said a word to my Dad about it as that would go to where he doesn't want to remember I guess. In truth no one can do this without the skill or art that is not present today. If this offends anyone I apologize. Maybe I've said too much. ****Don't apologize - this is precisely what we're talking about - dealing with the reality of where our food comes from, and being thankful for it! >***Yes, and perhaps not the just the common good of the *group* but of all >that sustains it, and to which it wil return... >>>>And when anyone's life is disrespected, all life is ****I like the way you think Suze Fisher Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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