Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 In a message dated 4/9/02 12:20:59 PM Central Daylight Time, jc137@... writes: > The four hours I was able to stick to an all raw vegan diet seemed like a > gift to my pocketbook. Of course, this doesn't take into account your > medical bills later on... > > > > > I think you've hit it on the head. I watch the folks in the area running to the doctor's office at least once a month. I've been there once in the last 2 years. That is a savings! Belinda LaBelle Acres www.labelleacres.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 It is a huge price difference for us (going the wrong way - of course). I already made pretty much everything from scratch here, and we rarely ever had convenience foods around, so we were eating a lot cheaper than most. And we were already pretty dang anti-medical, so we aren't making up any of that money by not needing to go to the doctor, because we never went in the first place. While I am doing absoutely as much as I can (I drive 2 hours one way just to get raw milk, butter, cheese, etc) now, I am not doing nearly as much as I would like to, as we just can not afford it. It always upsets me a bit when I hear people insinuate that just about everyone could afford to eat good food if we just gave up a few other things that aren't important, as this isn't always the case. I know many, many people who really can't afford to pay more for food, who wear second hand clothes, drive a car that constantly breaks down, etc. It seems the choice a lot of times comes between a mother staying home and actually raising her children, or going to work and letting others raise them so she can afford to feed them well :-( A lose - lose situation if you ask me. (who is catching up on mail - hence the flood of replies) rochester@... ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Click here for the best diet and nutrition information you will ever find! www.westonaprice.org ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* " I dropped the idea that I was an expert, whose job it was to fill the little heads with my expertise, and began to explore how I could remove those obstacles that prevented the inherent genius of children from gathering itself. " ~~ Gatto ~~ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 I AGREE, unless we have been shopping in all the wrong places. Example at Whole Foods: Regular Milk $1.50 a quart. Raw Milk $3.99 a quart. Well, I could almost afford that because I don't drink much milk. But then go over to produce section: Organic Broccoli is $1.79 a pound. That isn't bad except when you see what you get. On the regular broccoli (not broccoli crowns) there a small to medium stems. But the organic broccoli has these huge thick stems that are 3 times the size I have ever seen in any store. They look like tree branches. Most stores trim their broccoli some, other times they trim it a lot and advertise it as broccoli crowns. But Whole Foods doesn't trim their organic broccoli. You are paying a higher price per pound (which I expect to pay for organic) but you are also forced to pay for waste that other stores wouldn't have the nerve to force you to pay for. So if I buy 2 pounds of organic broccoli I would be getting a 1-1/2 of unusable stems. Then I go over to the meat department for Natural Beef from New Zealand. I hear that Mcs is going to buy New Zealand beef because it is cheaper. It is $14,99 a pound. I walk out of there with 2 bags of groceries for about $80.00. But then I still have to spend another 60 bucks at another store just to finish shopping at a place that isn't a complete rip off. I saw the same brand of Olives that were $2.79 at Whole Foods for $1.09 at Henry's (owned by Wild Oats). Unfortunately Henry's doesn't have raw milk or raw cheese, has a very limited amount of organic produce, and sells only grain fed beef. But perhaps organic grain fed beef is not bad of a compromise over the super market beef. As much as I hated low fat diets I could at least afford the food. --- In @y..., " Rochester " <rochester@b...> wrote: > It is a huge price difference for us (going the wrong way - of course). > I already made pretty much everything from scratch here, and we rarely ever had convenience foods around, so we were eating a lot cheaper than most. And we were already pretty dang anti-medical, so we aren't making up any of that money by not needing to go to the doctor, because we never went in the first place. > While I am doing absoutely as much as I can (I drive 2 hours one way just to get raw milk, butter, cheese, etc) now, I am not doing nearly as much as I would like to, as we just can not afford it. It always upsets me a bit when I hear people insinuate that just about everyone could afford to eat good food if we just gave up a few other things that aren't important, as this isn't always the case. I know many, many people who really can't afford to pay more for food, who wear second hand clothes, drive a car that constantly breaks down, etc. It seems the choice a lot of times comes between a mother staying home and actually raising her children, or going to work and letting others raise them so she can afford to feed them well :-( A lose - lose situation if you ask me. > > > (who is catching up on mail - hence the flood of replies) > > rochester@b... > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > Click here for the best diet and nutrition information you will ever find! > www.westonaprice.org > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > " I dropped the idea that I was an expert, whose job it was to fill > the little heads with my expertise, and began to explore how I could > remove those obstacles that prevented the inherent genius of children > from gathering itself. " > ~~ Gatto ~~ > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Hve you considered buying from a food co-op instead? If you do a search on google, you should be able to come up with one that serves your state. Food co-ops are MUCH less expensive. However, many times on certain items, you have to buy in case lots. But, sometimes you will be able to split cases with other buying club members. Most have organic foods, some have a mix. I know that the Rainbow Food Co-op has only organic produce, but whether they service your area is another question. ----- Original Message ----- From: alecwood Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:41 AM Subject: Re: NT More Expensive?? I AGREE, unless we have been shopping in all the wrong places. Example at Whole Foods: Regular Milk $1.50 a quart. Raw Milk $3.99 a quart. Well, I could almost afford that because I don't drink much milk. But then go over to produce section: Organic Broccoli is $1.79 a pound. That isn't bad except when you see what you get. On the regular broccoli (not broccoli crowns) there a small to medium stems. But the organic broccoli has these huge thick stems that are 3 times the size I have ever seen in any store. They look like tree branches. Most stores trim their broccoli some, other times they trim it a lot and advertise it as broccoli crowns. But Whole Foods doesn't trim their organic broccoli. You are paying a higher price per pound (which I expect to pay for organic) but you are also forced to pay for waste that other stores wouldn't have the nerve to force you to pay for. So if I buy 2 pounds of organic broccoli I would be getting a 1-1/2 of unusable stems. Then I go over to the meat department for Natural Beef from New Zealand. I hear that Mcs is going to buy New Zealand beef because it is cheaper. It is $14,99 a pound. I walk out of there with 2 bags of groceries for about $80.00. But then I still have to spend another 60 bucks at another store just to finish shopping at a place that isn't a complete rip off. I saw the same brand of Olives that were $2.79 at Whole Foods for $1.09 at Henry's (owned by Wild Oats). Unfortunately Henry's doesn't have raw milk or raw cheese, has a very limited amount of organic produce, and sells only grain fed beef. But perhaps organic grain fed beef is not bad of a compromise over the super market beef. As much as I hated low fat diets I could at least afford the food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Alec, Broccoli stems are delicious! All you have to do is strip the tough green skin and slice the stem into disks before steaming or sauteeing with the florets. Italians always eat the stem too--great flavor. So if I buy 2 pounds of organic broccoli I would be getting a 1-1/2 of unusable stems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 --- alecwood <me@...> wrote: > Raw Milk $3.99 a > quart. > But the organic broccoli has these huge thick stems > that are 3 times > the size I have ever seen in any store. > New Zealand beef .....It is $14,99 > a pound. Yowch! In the Sacramento area, Claravale raw milk is $2.50-$3.00/qt., there's a somewhat local grower of grassfed beef that sells for about $5/lb. if you buy 15 lbs. or more, Trader Joe's usually has " range fed " Australian ground beef for $2.99/lb and wild Alaskan salmon fillets for $4.99/lb (both frozen). Even a semi-local grassfed lamb grower is in the $6-$10/lb. range. And by all means, peel and eat those broccoli stems! It's my favorite part. more below... > .. > > While I am doing absoutely as much as I can (I > drive 2 hours one > way just to get raw milk, butter, cheese, etc) now, > I am not doing > nearly as much as I would like to, as we just can > not afford it. It > always upsets me a bit when I hear people insinuate > that just about > everyone could afford to eat good food if we just > gave up a few other > things that aren't important, as this isn't always > the case. , I hope my comment a few days ago about " different priorities " didn't come across this way. I totally understand (a little too well) what it's like to have a very tight grocery budget, and we're certainly not saving any money eating this way rather than how we did several years ago, but we also don't spend more on food in total than most people we know, even though we spend more for certain items. Hope I didn't seem judgemental before. Aubin __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 You can make broccoli slaw instead of the standard cabbage slaw too. Wanita At 10:12 AM 4/10/02 -0400, you wrote: >Alec, > >Broccoli stems are delicious! All you have to do is strip the tough green skin and slice the stem into disks before steaming or sauteeing with the florets. Italians always eat the stem too--great flavor. > > > > >So if I buy 2 pounds of organic broccoli I would be getting > a 1-1/2 of unusable stems. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Trader Joes is hit and miss. One week wild salmon. Next week range beef from New Zealand, then the week after that, neither. That is another gripe. You can get bargains and organic, sometimes at regular supermarket. But you have to go to 3 or 4 stores. Whew. Albertons has a one pound bag of organic mixed greens for only $4.99. This week on sale for $4.29. That is more variety (6 to 7 different) than I could get buying separate bunches and washing and spin drying myself. Most other stores sell the organic greens for $3.99 for 4 oz. Trader Joes has them for $1.89 but they are not always organic. Trader Joes has Straus yogart but not butter. I have to go to Whole Foods for Straus or Organic Valley butter (I wouldn't buy Horizon). I can't find raw butter in San Diego County. > . > > > While I am doing absoutely as much as I can (I > > drive 2 hours one > > way just to get raw milk, butter, cheese, etc) now, > > I am not doing > > nearly as much as I would like to, as we just can > > not afford it. It > > always upsets me a bit when I hear people insinuate > > that just about > > everyone could afford to eat good food if we just > > gave up a few other > > things that aren't important, as this isn't always > > the case. > > , I hope my comment a few days ago about > " different priorities " didn't come across this way. I > totally understand (a little too well) what it's like > to have a very tight grocery budget, and we're > certainly not saving any money eating this way rather > than how we did several years ago, but we also don't > spend more on food in total than most people we know, > even though we spend more for certain items. Hope I > didn't seem judgemental before. > > Aubin > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 I second the advice from another post advising finding a food co-op. I'm not familiar with these stores you are referring to, but I guess they are health food stores of some type. While I understand that retail stores need to make the profit they do in order to survive, prices at a food co-op will make your jaw drop in comparison to health food stores. Also, can you try to find a direct source for your raw milk? Carmen <<<< I AGREE, unless we have been shopping in all the wrong places. >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 HA! Before we moved to the farm I bought a leg of lamb at the local grocery. The clerk held it out at arm's length and asked what it was. I said leg of lamb. She screamed, " It looks like a leg! " We had the entire little store's attention. Makes you wonder sometimes. Belinda In a message dated 4/10/02 7:07:00 PM Central Daylight Time, baruch@... writes: > LOL! Isn't that the truth? Today at the checkout the clerk looked at me > questioningly and said, " These are sweet potatoes, aren't they? " > > Tesh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Heidi Schuppenhauer > > I had no idea so many people were actually preparing their own foods etc. > > before going NT. Most of the folks I talk to buy everything pre-packaged > or > eat out, and the checkout people at the grocery store don't even know the > > names of half the vegies they carry. > > > Heidi Schuppenhauer > Trillium Custom Software Inc. > heidis@... > Belinda LaBelle Acres www.labelleacres.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 At 11:58 AM 4/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I second the advice from another post advising finding a food co-op. I'm >not familiar with these stores you are referring to, but I guess they are >health food stores of some type. While I understand that retail stores need >to make the profit they do in order to survive, prices at a food co-op will >make your jaw drop in comparison to health food stores. Also, can you try to >find a direct source for your raw milk? > > Carmen I triple the motion. Some farmers are doing a " coop " idea with their crops. It may be a challenge to find one: there is one near here and hardly anyone has heard of him. But you pay one fee and then go " collect " your vegies. He's on the way to my kid's school, so I stop by and get fresh cleaned greens for lunch. He is organic, but somehow he manages to get nice-looking vegies and he brings in organic apples from the other side of the mountains. He's putting in a hot-house for tomatoes (they don't grow well here!). He also sells his produce at the local " farmer's market " -- these are becoming more popular, at least in the summer, and the prices are REALLY good (I can get a huge bunch of flowers, enough for the whole house, for about $10). I had no idea so many people were actually preparing their own foods etc. before going NT. Most of the folks I talk to buy everything pre-packaged or eat out, and the checkout people at the grocery store don't even know the names of half the vegies they carry. Heidi Schuppenhauer Trillium Custom Software Inc. heidis@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 At 05:41 AM 4/10/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Most stores trim their broccoli some, other times they trim it a lot >and advertise it as broccoli crowns. But Whole Foods doesn't trim >their organic broccoli. You are paying a higher price per pound >(which I expect to pay for organic) but you are also forced to pay >for waste that other stores wouldn't have the nerve to force you to >pay for. I understand your " beef " here - you prefer the florets. But - I love to julienne the stems and steam them too - yum - delicious. Very little needs to be wasted - especially at those prices. ;-) Regards, -=mark=- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 LOL! Isn't that the truth? Today at the checkout the clerk looked at me questioningly and said, " These are sweet potatoes, aren't they? " Tesh ----- Original Message ----- From: Heidi Schuppenhauer I had no idea so many people were actually preparing their own foods etc. before going NT. Most of the folks I talk to buy everything pre-packaged or eat out, and the checkout people at the grocery store don't even know the names of half the vegies they carry. Heidi Schuppenhauer Trillium Custom Software Inc. heidis@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 Just cathcing up on some old posts! Yes, price is certainly an issue. Until there is more competition the stores will charge what the market will bear. On the other hand we have to be aware of the ways in which are cheap food is subsidized on the backs of poorly paid workers, with government subsidies paid for by our taxes, by environmental degradation, etc. Peace, Kris , gardening in northwest Ohio If you want to hear the good news about butter check out this website: http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/know_your_fats.html ----- Original Message ----- From: " alecwood " <me@...> < > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:41 AM Subject: Re: NT More Expensive?? > I AGREE, unless we have been shopping in all the wrong places. > Example at Whole Foods: Regular Milk $1.50 a quart. Raw Milk $3.99 a > quart. Well, I could almost afford that because I don't drink much > milk. But then go over to produce section: Organic Broccoli is $1.79 > a pound. That isn't bad except when you see what you get. On the > regular broccoli (not broccoli crowns) there a small to medium stems. > But the organic broccoli has these huge thick stems that are 3 times > the size I have ever seen in any store. They look like tree branches. > Most stores trim their broccoli some, other times they trim it a lot > and advertise it as broccoli crowns. But Whole Foods doesn't trim > their organic broccoli. You are paying a higher price per pound > (which I expect to pay for organic) but you are also forced to pay > for waste that other stores wouldn't have the nerve to force you to > pay for. So if I buy 2 pounds of organic broccoli I would be getting > a 1-1/2 of unusable stems. Then I go over to the meat department for > Natural Beef from New Zealand. I hear that Mcs is going to buy > New Zealand beef because it is cheaper. It is $14,99 a pound. I walk > out of there with 2 bags of groceries for about $80.00. But then I > still have to spend another 60 bucks at another store just to finish > shopping at a place that isn't a complete rip off. I saw the same > brand of Olives that were $2.79 at Whole Foods for $1.09 at Henry's > (owned by Wild Oats). Unfortunately Henry's doesn't have raw milk or > raw cheese, has a very limited amount of organic produce, and sells > only grain fed beef. But perhaps organic grain fed beef is not bad of > a compromise over the super market beef. As much as I hated low fat > diets I could at least afford the food. > > > > It is a huge price difference for us (going the wrong way - of > course). > > I already made pretty much everything from scratch here, and we > rarely ever had convenience foods around, so we were eating a lot > cheaper than most. And we were already pretty dang anti-medical, so > we aren't making up any of that money by not needing to go to the > doctor, because we never went in the first place. > > While I am doing absoutely as much as I can (I drive 2 hours one > way just to get raw milk, butter, cheese, etc) now, I am not doing > nearly as much as I would like to, as we just can not afford it. It > always upsets me a bit when I hear people insinuate that just about > everyone could afford to eat good food if we just gave up a few other > things that aren't important, as this isn't always the case. I know > many, many people who really can't afford to pay more for food, who > wear second hand clothes, drive a car that constantly breaks down, > etc. It seems the choice a lot of times comes between a mother > staying home and actually raising her children, or going to work and > letting others raise them so she can afford to feed them well :-( A > lose - lose situation if you ask me. > > > > > > (who is catching up on mail - hence the flood of replies) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 >>Until there is more competition the stores will charge what the >>market will bear. On the other hand we have to be aware >>of the ways in which are cheap food is subsidized on the backs of >>poorly paid workers, with government subsidies paid for by our >>taxes, by environmental degradation, etc. This is the very basis for the beginning of the cooperative movement back in Rochdale, England in 1844. Here's an interesting article http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~laurel/cooproots/history.html If I can't find a suitable co-op wherever we live, I start one. Our co-op owns 2 cows for access to raw milk, we pool orders for whole beef several times a year, we mail order raw milk cheese, usually in quantities large enough to get discounts, and split the shipping, we do bulk grain orders once a year, we buy RealSalt in the bulk cases for $1.48 per pound, etc. We order from many suppliers at wholesale because we are considered a business unit rather than individuals. It is the only way to afford the highest quality food and sometimes even to find these things in our area. Can you tell I am a co-op enthusiast? ine in SC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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