Tennessee milk blues

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On April 2nd, 2002 we were visited by Hugh and Nell s from the

Tennessee Department of Agriculture because of our web site. On our site, in

the description of what we do on our farm, we mentioned that we make our own

cheese and butter. We found out that, in the State of Tennessee, this is

illegal. Seems strange doesn't it? Now, you might think that the making of

the cheese and butter is illegal but in actuality we are allowed to make and

consume our own homemade goods. What we are not allowed to do is tell you

that we do it or teach you how to make our own. This has nothing to do with

selling products off the farm. It seems one is not allowed to have people

watching while you make cheese. Think this is ridiculous? Read on!

The State of Tennessee considers milk, to be a hazardous material and does

not allow you to give away milk from your farm? Did you know that you cannot

legally give your neighbors' milk for their orphaned animals? Think this is

insane? We do. There is a part of me that will just always want to brave

arrest to save an orphaned baby of any sort. How am I to look another farmer

in the eye and tell them to let their animal die? Have our state legislators

lost their minds? Do they even know what laws have been passed? Are these

laws really on the books or do we just have some very eager officials out

there making the small farmer suffer in any way they can? If the woman from

across the street comes by to get a cup of milk I have to tell her no because

I milked it rather than bought it at Stop and Shop. Will tomatoes out of the

garden be next?

You scared? I'm scared.

You mad? I'm mad.

Want to help, drop me an email. Better yet, write to TN legislators <

www.legislature.state.tn.us> Let them know what you think about this. For

more information, check out our web site.

Belinda

LaBelle Acres

www.labelleacres.com

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----- Original Message -----

From: panamabob

Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:10 PM

Subject: Re: Tennessee milk blues

I do empathize with you. Just to set it clear, I am not condoning big gestapo

etc actions...however I hope to suggest ways not to be so frustrated and

perhaps get you way to a degree if not completely.

There are so many beliefs out there, its hard to determine sometimes which will

heal and which is a fraud in every case. People in pain or that are frightened

can sometimes be preyed upon by unscrupulous folks, perhaps even well meaning

but mistaken The government in their heavy handed way is just hoping to draw a

line somewhere to divide charlatans from sincere people looking to help. Since

a happen-chance divide early in the century between allopathic and homeopathic

/natureapathic philosophies that gave allopathic (current medical theory) the

upper hand (at least for now) and named it the protocol of choice through

lobbiest of the USA.

If you glance at homeopathic and the beliefs in potency, you would think it was

truly ludicrous. With appologize to others that can state this better than I,

essentially the more diluted a remedy is, the stronger effect it has. Now this

flys against all logic doesnt it? In fact, some of the most power remedies, in

common theory, have NO molecules left of the original element! It's been

diluted so much it isnt even supposedly there anymore. Ask a " thinking " person

to accept that apparently having nothing left is stronger than having some of

the element left? Im sure they would call you an idiot for believing that, dont

you think? So imagine someone in dire need being treated with " nothing " ? would

not that seem criminal? One would want at least an attempt to " do something " ,

hence the allopathic pills and potents, that also in the end did nothing...but

at least SOMETHING was tried...

Of course its interesting to note that this allopathic medical institution is

named for number 2 or 3 cause of death in the USA :-)

Of course this comes from common accidents in mis diagnosis, mixture of drugs

and side effects etc. If there intent was not to help they would all be in jail!

But the Government sees that there was a genuine attempt to help (ignorantly

perhaps) but for now its accepted norm.

I lost my father and mother both to bad medication, so its personal to me. My

mother when I was 12, fairly young in my book and 28 for my dad. My kids will

never know these people...they were robbed. So was I , So were friends and our

extended family. But its does no good to rant and rave, best to use ones head

and get better results. :-)

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On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:41:48 -0400 " panamabob "

<panamabob@...> writes:

----- Original Message -----

From: panamabob

Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:10 PM

Subject: Re: Tennessee milk blues

I do empathize with you. Just to set it clear, I am not condoning big

gestapo etc actions

******Well lets hope not!!

....however I hope to suggest ways not to be so frustrated and perhaps

get you way to a degree if not completely.

******You work with people the best you can. You are kind, courteous, not

unnecessarily confrontational, etc. No one on this list is advocating

revolutionary frothing at the mouth tactics. But often times people *do

not* get their way, no matter what the approach. And no amount of

imputing good " intent " will take that away, *particularly* if that good

" intent " has caused a great tragedy in your life.

There are so many beliefs out there, its hard to determine sometimes

which will heal and which is a fraud in every case.

*******And this is where you seem to be missing the boat. Precisely

because there are many beliefs out there is precisely why the government

does not need to be advocating one particular belief. One man's fraud is

another man's healing and because of the nature of government they are

not equipped to make this determination and even if they were they should

not. This is precisely why people get hurt, because the powers that be

are championing a particular approach, which may or may not be true, and

using force to make sure it is carried out. This will always be a recipe

for disaster, no matter what ideology currently holds sway.

People in pain or that are frightened can sometimes be preyed upon by

unscrupulous folks, perhaps even well meaning but mistaken The

government in their heavy handed way is just hoping to draw a line

somewhere to divide charlatans from sincere people looking to help.

*****Man give this up. Some folks in government might in fact be well

meaning, but after they get there, if they intend to stay there, they

*must* consider their own self interest first. And if they are beholden

to allopathic medicine (for example) they will not entertain a competing

methodology, not if they want to remain in their position. Oftentimes

government itself is the *charlatan*

Since a happen-chance divide early in the century between allopathic

and homeopathic /natureapathic philosophies that gave allopathic (current

medical theory) the upper hand (at least for now) and named it the

protocol of choice through lobbiest of the USA.

*****Nothing happenstance about it. The AMA and their ilk used the

government to grant them a legalized monopoly of the practice of medicine

in this country, plain and simple. It is a perfect illustration of how

government intervention tramples on choice and greatly distorts the

marketplace.

If you glance at homeopathic and the beliefs in potency, you would think

it was truly ludicrous. With appologize to others that can state this

better than I, essentially the more diluted a remedy is, the stronger

effect it has. Now this flys against all logic doesnt it? In fact, some

of the most power remedies, in common theory, have NO molecules left of

the original element! It's been diluted so much it isnt even supposedly

there anymore. Ask a " thinking " person to accept that apparently having

nothing left is stronger than having some of the element left? Im sure

they would call you an idiot for believing that, dont you think? So

imagine someone in dire need being treated with " nothing " ? would not that

seem criminal?

******No, not if the person willingly consented. Who says your logic is

better than mine, and maybe I don't care if you think I'm stupid. Freedom

demands that I be allowed to make decisions that you might think are

stupid and vice versa (like advocating a benign view of government).

One would want at least an attempt to " do something " , hence the

allopathic pills and potents, that also in the end did nothing...but at

least SOMETHING was tried...

******Well if an individual wants to " do something " so be it. But if you

mean the government must intervene to " do something " then this is where

we distinctly disagree. If such a view is allowed to stand on principle

then we do not have the right to oppose gov't when they declare raw milk

is bad.

Of course its interesting to note that this allopathic medical

institution is named for number 2 or 3 cause of death in the USA :-)

Of course this comes from common accidents in mis diagnosis, mixture of

drugs and side effects etc. If there intent was not to help they would

all be in jail! But the Government sees that there was a genuine attempt

to help (ignorantly perhaps) but for now its accepted norm.

*****This logic is uniquely flawed and makes " intent " the be all and end

all of everything. Even our own law system does not recognize such a

dichotomy, as anyone convicted of negligent homicide would be happy to

tell you. The reason these folks are not in jail is because they are

perceived as " orthodox " . Let some alternative practitioner whose " intent "

is to help - have a patient die on his/her watch - and you will quickly

see that it did not matter what their " intent " was or whether or not they

were trying to help, they will be " jailed "

I lost my father and mother both to bad medication, so its personal to

me. My mother when I was 12, fairly young in my book and 28 for my dad.

My kids will never know these people...they were robbed. So was I , So

were friends and our extended family. But its does no good to rant and

rave, best to use ones head and get better results. :-)

*********Seems to me you are making an awful lot of assumptions here

without much credence. You somehow have adopted this idea that all people

are doing here who distrust gov't and their known abuses is ranting and

raving. You know no such thing and I would appreciate if you stop

implying that we are some foaming at the mouth revolutionaries. Besides,

ideas must be discussed, even if controversial from your point of view,

or we will have no chance to turn things a better way.

Bianca