Re: cutting down high fructose and soybean oil - coincidence or improvements?

[Guest guest]

I did the same thing... starting cutting down on things that contained soy and HFCS. I still do my soda, I'm a Mountain Dewaholic, but it's a rare treat, pretty much the only time I get it now is over the Thanksgiving/Christmas holidays.... and an odd one here and there when a friend drops by.....

Then only things that I still use that have any soy in them are peanut butter (I can't afford a better brand, and this one, for me is a rare treat), salad dressing, and vegetable shortening. Everything else I pretty much stay away from or find a way to make my own at home... without all the junk...

I can tell when I've had the 'bad' stuff.... I am more sleeping.... and trip over my tongue more.....

.....but boy howdy.. does that Dew taste good when I do get it... I'm getting pretty good and getting my tongue down in there to lick out the insides of the can!!! hehehehehe

Topper ()

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:38:22 -0500 Lynn writes:

Hey everyone,I don't know if it is just coincidence or not, BUT...For the last two weeks or more I tried to cut out high fructose corn syrup - at least in products where it is a big ingredient on the list, like fruit juice, or jams, etc. (I didn't cut out ketchup or small quantity items)After maybe a week, I thought I wasn't having as much muscle twitching. Is it a coincidence? I'm not sure - but I'll watch it.So, then I thought I'd do the same with products with large soybean content. I didn't even realize that the "vegetable oil" my mother buys is pure soybean oil. Ugh!So, cutting that down, I noticed I feel less digestive distress. Actually, I feel that from both of them.Again, this is not scientific - and it is too short of a time - and sometimes my symptoms do subside, but hey ... it could be a benefit of cutting this stuff way down.What do you think?-Lynn

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

You are noticing your body changing and detoxing. Enjoy the ride and make sure to note that if you have any headaches, mood swings, or other withdrawal type symptoms that it is because your body is withdrawing from the caffeine (high fructose). If you find you can't go cold turkey, wean yourself slowly off.

Glad to see you're feeling better. Be prepared to notice a difference in your body also... the way it processes things, the way IT feels to feel healthy.

Enjoy!

-med

cutting down high fructose and soybean oil - coincidence or improvements?

Hey everyone,I don't know if it is just coincidence or not, BUT...For the last two weeks or more I tried to cut out high fructose corn syrup - at least in products where it is a big ingredient on the list, like fruit juice, or jams, etc. (I didn't cut out ketchup or small quantity items)After maybe a week, I thought I wasn't having as much muscle twitching. Is it a coincidence? I'm not sure - but I'll watch it.So, then I thought I'd do the same with products with large soybean content. I didn't even realize that the "vegetable oil" my mother buys is pure soybean oil. Ugh!So, cutting that down, I noticed I feel less digestive distress. Actually, I feel that from both of them.Again, this is not scientific - and it is too short of a time - and sometimes my symptoms do subside, but hey ... it could be a benefit of cutting this stuff way down.What do you think?-Lynn

[Guest guest]

hey top,

if you have a kroger in your area, they sell a creamy natural brand of peanut butter and the only ingredients are peanuts and salt. it's around $1.89 or maybe less a jar and it's excellent. you may need to keep it in the fridge to harden it a little as it has no additives to keep it solid at room temp.

let me know if you can find it,

-med

Re: cutting down high fructose and soybean oil - coincidence or improvements?

I did the same thing... starting cutting down on things that contained soy and HFCS. I still do my soda, I'm a Mountain Dewaholic, but it's a rare treat, pretty much the only time I get it now is over the Thanksgiving/Christmas holidays.... and an odd one here and there when a friend drops by.....

Then only things that I still use that have any soy in them are peanut butter (I can't afford a better brand, and this one, for me is a rare treat), salad dressing, and vegetable shortening. Everything else I pretty much stay away from or find a way to make my own at home... without all the junk...

I can tell when I've had the 'bad' stuff.... I am more sleeping.... and trip over my tongue more.....

.....but boy howdy.. does that Dew taste good when I do get it... I'm getting pretty good and getting my tongue down in there to lick out the insides of the can!!! hehehehehe

Topper ()

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:38:22 -0500 Lynn writes:

Hey everyone,I don't know if it is just coincidence or not, BUT...For the last two weeks or more I tried to cut out high fructose corn syrup - at least in products where it is a big ingredient on the list, like fruit juice, or jams, etc. (I didn't cut out ketchup or small quantity items)After maybe a week, I thought I wasn't having as much muscle twitching. Is it a coincidence? I'm not sure - but I'll watch it.So, then I thought I'd do the same with products with large soybean content. I didn't even realize that the "vegetable oil" my mother buys is pure soybean oil. Ugh!So, cutting that down, I noticed I feel less digestive distress. Actually, I feel that from both of them.Again, this is not scientific - and it is too short of a time - and sometimes my symptoms do subside, but hey ... it could be a benefit of cutting this stuff way down.What do you think?-Lynn

[Guest guest]

Hi Topper,

Not that I adhere to all the no-no thyroid foods (how can a person?

there are so many - and sometimes budget outweighs everything! ) but I

think I read that peanuts are a " eat in moderation " type food for

hypothyroid folks. Do you know anything about that? Is it true?

-Lynn

medstudent2be wrote:

> hey top,

>

> if you have a kroger in your area, they sell a creamy natural brand of

> peanut butter and the only ingredients are peanuts and salt. it's

> around $1.89 or maybe less a jar and it's excellent. you may need to

> keep it in the fridge to harden it a little as it has no additives to

> keep it solid at room temp.

>

> let me know if you can find it,

> -med

[Guest guest]

Funn you mention that Med, becuase I just woke up with another really

sick feeling today. Yesterday I was happy as a lark and feeling healthy,

today back to overall sick, headache, slightly twitchy and just yucky.

Maybe it is a withdrawl process. I'll keep trying! (Although I did make

a salad yesterday with all sorts of known bad thyroid veggies .. hmmm!)

Thanks.

-Lynn

medstudent2be wrote:

> Lynn,

>

> You are noticing your body changing and detoxing. Enjoy the ride and

> make sure to note that if you have any headaches, mood swings, or other

> withdrawal type symptoms that it is because your body is withdrawing

> from the caffeine (high fructose). If you find you can't go cold

> turkey, wean yourself slowly off.

>

> Glad to see you're feeling better. Be prepared to notice a difference

> in your body also... the way it processes things, the way IT feels to

> feel healthy.

>

> Enjoy!

> -med

[Guest guest]

I notice that my system is kind of 'hair trigger' about responding to things like that. If I don't feel it that day, I feel it the next day.

I also used to get these 24 hour flu bugs... the interesting thing was... they were just allergies. This I think is why people don't know they have allergies.... they're conditioned to look for hayfever and sneezing... Body aches and pains aren't really thought about. But they're there. Since illiminating 99% of my allergens, I haven't been sick or had a cold in 2 years.

Makes me wonder if it was all allergy related or if it was that my adrenals were so stressed trying to combat the reaction that I had more colds. But looking back they were 100% my fibro symptoms.

Makes you think....

-med.

Re: cutting down high fructose and soybean oil - coincidence or improvements?

Funn you mention that Med, becuase I just woke up with another really sick feeling today. Yesterday I was happy as a lark and feeling healthy, today back to overall sick, headache, slightly twitchy and just yucky. Maybe it is a withdrawl process. I'll keep trying! (Although I did make a salad yesterday with all sorts of known bad thyroid veggies .. hmmm!) Thanks.-Lynnmedstudent2be wrote:> Lynn,> > You are noticing your body changing and detoxing. Enjoy the ride and > make sure to note that if you have any headaches, mood swings, or other > withdrawal type symptoms that it is because your body is withdrawing > from the caffeine (high fructose). If you find you can't go cold > turkey, wean yourself slowly off.> > Glad to see you're feeling better. Be prepared to notice a difference > in your body also... the way it processes things, the way IT feels to > feel healthy.> > Enjoy!> -med

[Guest guest]

Ok, I've got to ask another question here. No one ever toldme there were foods to be avoided by low thyroid folk. Canyou fill me in on this?Tammy Funn you mention that Med, becuase I just woke up with another really sick feeling today. Yesterday I was happy as a lark and feeling healthy, today back to overall sick, headache, slightly twitchy and just yucky. Maybe it is a withdrawl process. I'll keep trying! (Although I did make a salad yesterday with all sorts of known bad thyroid veggies .. hmmm!) Thanks. -Lynn medstudent2be wrote: > Lynn, >  > You are noticing your body changing and detoxing.  Enjoy the ride and > make sure to note that if you have any headaches, mood swings, or other > withdrawal type symptoms that it is because your body is withdrawing > from the caffeine (high fructose).  If you find you can't go cold > turkey, wean yourself slowly off. >  > Glad to see you're feeling better.  Be prepared to notice a difference > in your body also... the way it processes things, the way IT feels to > feel healthy. >  > Enjoy! > -med

[Guest guest]

Hi Tammy,

There are foods that you should eat in moderation because of their

effect on the thyroid.

Also - some foods that contain calcium you should eat 3-4 hours AFTER

taking your thyroid meds (if you swallow your pills), because they will

bind with the med and wash a portion of your med out of your body before

you can absorb it. HOWEVER, that being said, if you always have calcium

at the same time as your meds, and you have been optimized on those meds

- which accounted for the calcium taking part of that med away - don't

suddenly stop taking the calcium at the same time, or you're suddenly

start absorbing much more of your thyroid med and throw your system off.

The book I read from Dr. Blanchard said if you have always taken it that

way - leave it alone, becuase your doc has already (unknowingly)

accounted that you'll need an extra large dose for the way you take it.

(make sense?)

So - what are the foods to eat in MODERATION ....

This is a partial list from Dr. Blanchards book:

*Soy products

such as: edamame beans, soybeans, soy ice cram, soy milk, soy protein

powders and supplements, tempeh, tofu.

*Cruciferous vegetables:

broccoli, brussel sprouts (raw), cabbage, cauliflower, kale

*Root and starchy vegetables:

Carrots, corn, potatoes, sweet potatoes, winter squash

*Beverages

Caffeinated drinks, decaf drinks (this does not include decaf or herbal

teas - which are good for you), sodas (both diet and regular)

*Fats

Butter, lard, vegetable shortening

*Nuts

Peanuts, Pine Nuts

He has a whole section of his book dedicated to food. He also lists

Thyroid Friendly foods. And he talks about fish that are lower in

mercury and safer to eat. It's a great little book.

By the way - he always says moderation, not delete from diet completely.

Some of those vegies are my favorite, so I will moderate, but can't

erase them or I'd cry

Hope this helps!

-Lynn

Tammy Wolfgram wrote:

> Ok, I've got to ask another question here. No one ever told

> me there were foods to be avoided by low thyroid folk. Can

> you fill me in on this?

>

> Tammy

[Guest guest]

HI Lynn,Thanks for the info. Do you know the name of Dr. Blanchard'sbook? I may pick up a copy.Thanks,Tammy Hi Tammy, There are foods that you should eat in moderation because of their effect on the thyroid. Also - some foods that contain calcium you should eat 3-4 hours AFTER taking your thyroid meds (if you swallow  your pills), because they will bind with the med and wash a portion of your med out of your body before you can absorb it. HOWEVER, that being said, if you always have calcium at the same time as your meds, and you have been optimized on those meds - which accounted for the calcium taking part of that med away - don't suddenly stop taking the calcium at the same time, or you're suddenly start absorbing much more of your thyroid med and throw your system off. The book I read from Dr. Blanchard said if you have always taken it that way - leave it alone, becuase your doc has already (unknowingly) accounted that you'll need an extra large dose for the way you take it. (make sense?) So - what are the foods to eat in MODERATION .... This is a partial list from Dr. Blanchards book: *Soy products such as: edamame beans, soybeans, soy ice cram, soy milk, soy protein powders and supplements, tempeh, tofu. *Cruciferous vegetables: broccoli, brussel sprouts (raw), cabbage, cauliflower, kale *Root and starchy vegetables: Carrots, corn, potatoes, sweet potatoes, winter squash *Beverages Caffeinated drinks, decaf drinks (this does not include decaf or herbal teas - which are good for you), sodas (both diet and regular) *Fats Butter, lard, vegetable shortening *Nuts Peanuts, Pine Nuts He has a whole section of his book dedicated to food. He also lists Thyroid Friendly foods. And he talks about fish that are lower in mercury and safer to eat. It's a great little book. By the way - he always says moderation, not delete from diet completely. Some of those vegies are my favorite, so I will moderate, but can't erase them or I'd cry Hope this helps! -Lynn Tammy Wolfgram wrote: > Ok, I've got to ask another question here. No one ever told > me there were foods to be avoided by low thyroid folk. Can > you fill me in on this? > > Tammy

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

I just reread your note and noticed that diet soda is

in the list. I am a diet Pepsi (caffeine-free) FEIND! Do

you know why it is a problem? I drink anywhere from

5-10 cans a day, depending on what I'm doing, how

hot it is, and what I'm eating.

Thanks again,

Tammy

[Guest guest]

I can tell you that it is first and foremost the artificial sweetner in it,which If I am not mistaken is the same thing as rat poision, and two cause of the corn syrup and the high fructose cornsyrupand the sodium (salt ). those are probably some of the biggest reasons. The artifical sweetner amount to about the same thing as rat poision. I have been told this and I think I read it a health book in a Dr's office. You can ask Topper she can tell you about artificial sweetner I do know positively it is not good for you at all there is a certain chemical in it asper something or another Topper can spell it out it is not good stuff. Hey Topper Help tell Tammy about articial sweetner. Tina Tammy Wolfgram wrote: Lynn,I just reread your note and noticed that diet soda isin the list. I am a diet Pepsi (caffeine-free) FEIND! Doyou know why it is a problem? I drink anywhere from5-10 cans a day, depending on what I'm doing, howhot it is, and what I'm eating.Thanks again,Tammy

[Guest guest]

Well, it can't be because of corn syrup, as there is no corn syrup ofany kind in diet soda. Corn syrup would contain too many caloriesto be in a diet soda. The sweetener you are thinking of is calledaspertame. The idea that aspertame is dangerous or poison hasbeen debunked by many resources, but I have so much troublethat I am willing to try nearly anything:) I am looking forward to hearing more info from Topper on this, and may go for a trial periodwithout diet soda to see if I notice any improvement in how I feel.With regard to that, , how long of a time would you think adequate to test whether the soda has been negatively affectingme? As I mentioned in a previous email, I drink a lot of diet pepsi,as it is my main beverage.TammyPS If you are interested in reading some of the info that debunksthe idea that aspertame is dangerous, etc. check out this Snopespage. There are additional links at the bottom of the page. I thinkit's important to look at information from a variety of sources:http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.aspOn Apr 16, 2006, at 11:31 PM, Tina Hummel wrote: I can tell you that it is first and foremost the artificial sweetner in it,which If I am not mistaken is the same thing as rat poision, and two cause of the corn syrup and the high fructose cornsyrupand the sodium (salt ). those are probably some of the biggest reasons. The artifical sweetner amount to about the same thing as rat poision. I have been told this and I think I read it a health book in a Dr's office. You can ask Topper she can tell you about artificial sweetner I do know positively it is not good for you at all there is a certain chemical in it asper something or another Topper can spell it out it is not good stuff. Hey Topper  Help tell Tammy about articial sweetner.                                                              Tina Tammy Wolfgram wrote: Lynn,I just reread your note and noticed that diet soda isin the list. I am a diet Pepsi (caffeine-free) FEIND! Doyou know why it is a problem? I drink anywhere from5-10 cans a day, depending on what I'm doing, howhot it is, and what I'm eating.Thanks again,Tammy

[Guest guest]

Hi Tammy

I don't know specifically about the diet sodas. I sort of glossed over

that info since I don't drink diet. I would think it is the way the body

deals with the artifical sweetener, but that's a guess. He does have a

section on products that create artificial estrogen look-alikes in the

body that deplete your thyroid hormone stashes - I don't know if that

has anything to do with the diet ingredients though. Maybe you could try

replacing 2 sodas per day with something more friendly to the body - I

wouldn't go cold turkey or you'll probably feel sick and deprived.

You asked about the book ...

I got this one at the library - had to wait a long time on a waiting

list for it. So if you want to check it out first, try your library. I

like it so much I will buy it when money isn't so tight.

If you want to buy it outright - Amazon is the cheapest. I think it is

less than $10 there.

Title: " What Your Doctor May NOT Tell You About Hypothyroidism. A Simple

Plan for Extraordinary Results. "

By: Ken Blanchard, M.D., Ph.D.

with Marietta Abrams Brill

Foreward by J. Shomon

ISBN #0-446-69061-9

Blanchard is an Endocrinologist (believe it or not!) and practices in

Boston. He has a waiting list for new patients, but I called their

office for other matters and heard on their machine that they will

accept new patients May 1st. If I were near Boston, I'd be begging him

to treat me!

Hope this helps

-Lynn

Tammy Wolfgram wrote:

> HI Lynn,

>

> Thanks for the info. Do you know the name of Dr. Blanchard's

> book? I may pick up a copy.

>

> Thanks,

> Tammy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Lynn. I think I will buy one on eBay and give ita read. I think I was lead to believe the who thyroid dealwas much simpler than it actually turns out to be.I think what I will do is gradually cut back on soda andthen cut it out for a period. Since it really doesn't havemuch in it, I don't expect my body to respond that much tothe change, but we'll see. Plus, water a tea are muchcheaper, so I'll be saving lots of money!!! Tammy Hi Tammy I don't know specifically about the diet sodas. I sort of glossed over that info since I don't drink diet. I would think it is the way the body deals with the artifical sweetener, but that's a guess. He does have a section on products that create artificial estrogen look-alikes in the body that deplete your thyroid hormone stashes - I don't know if that has anything to do with the diet ingredients though. Maybe you could try replacing 2 sodas per day with something more friendly to the body - I wouldn't go cold turkey or you'll probably feel sick and deprived. You asked about the book ... I got this one at the library - had to wait a long time on a waiting list for it. So if you want to check it out first, try your library. I like it so much I will buy it when money isn't so tight. If you want to buy it outright - Amazon is the cheapest. I think it is less than $10 there. Title: "What Your Doctor May NOT Tell You About Hypothyroidism. A Simple   Plan for Extraordinary Results." By: Ken Blanchard, M.D., Ph.D. with Marietta Abrams Brill Foreward by J. Shomon ISBN #0-446-69061-9 Blanchard is an Endocrinologist (believe it or not!) and practices in Boston. He has a waiting list for new patients, but I called their office for other matters and heard on their machine that they will accept new patients May 1st. If I were near Boston, I'd be begging him to treat me! Hope this helps -Lynn Tammy Wolfgram wrote: > HI Lynn, > > Thanks for the info. Do you know the name of Dr. Blanchard's > book? I may pick up a copy. > > Thanks, > Tammy > > >

[Guest guest]

PS If you are interested in reading some of the info that debunks

> the idea that aspertame is dangerous, etc. check out this Snopes

> page. There are additional links at the bottom of the page. I think

> it's important to look at information from a variety of sources:

>

> http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp

>

I checked out the link and you are right..unfortunately that is an

extreme mailing on aspertame..Aspertame directly does not cause MS,

Lupus, etc.. any excess in chemicals in your body can be the trigger

or can run your body down enough to trigger an autoimune response..

Aspertame is a chemical, to my knowledge it has proven to cause

tumors in labatory rats..at what duration and dosage I do not know..

Aspertame is also known to cause GI upset and other digestive

disorders.

My take on things..naturally occuring sugar is an important part of

your diet..the digestive tract has tiny fibres who's main purpose is

to remove starch and sucrose from food..it removes the two together

cause it needs the starch to break down more complex sugars which in

turn helps with the body's metabolism..

The body does not recognize a chemical as being sugar, no sugar, no

starch, the digestive tract becomes weaker as the fibres stop

working..other things are then pulled into the blood stream toxins,

chemicals etc..while the important enzymes are left in the digestive

system.

You hear different versions of things, Lupus, MS, FMS, Thyroid

etc..are getting worse, The pharmacutical companies are trying to

make us sicker..cancer is on the rise..

Some say it is because with medical intervention we are living older

so our bodies are breaking down more..it use to be only the fittest

survived and now with medicine everyone survives so now we have more

medical complications.

The theory on the otherside is the more chemicals added to the food,

the more genetically modified the food becomes and the more depleted

the soil becomes the the more these autoimmune diseases arise..

I know for myself both to be true.. I am very chemical

sensitive..tons of allergies and all of them are chemicals..either

food additives or pharmacueticals..I also know trying to track

family history for thyroid related disorders that it is a little

mucked for terminology or real diagnosis..

My grandma was a ballroom dancer, when she turned 20 she had a

goiter, no diagnosis, treatment consisted of a special diet to put

wieght on.. no replacement hormone...when she passed away a few

years ago she still had the goiter( small) and no replacement

therapy..her Grandfather had his thyroid removed because he could

not swim..he was a british swimmer( athlete)and on his medical

records it actually says thyroid removed because he could not swim..

Diagnosis???

As far as the removal diet goes..as far as I am concerned it does

less harm and is the way to go..

I still have no diagnosis..but just over a year ago being told I

have a problem with my thyroid, everyone had helpful hints..add

iodine you have too little..reduce iodine, you have too much..

I took the illimination route.. I cut out as much iodine as I

could..two weeks later I did an oops..went for breakfast with a few

other mom's from school and had an egg/ham sandwich..my pulse went

to 185..I had two people look at me and tell me I had Grave's that I

did not even know..for me the reaction was that strong I got my

answer and now my hyper swings are farther apart although getting

more intense..so Iodine was a key player.

The thing is though avoiding the Iodine for the first few weeks I

really did not notice I was feeling any better..my pulse had dropped

from just over 100 down to 95..and I was not sleeping much better.

Now being on low iodine for a while I get drastic reactions to

excessive iodine..and I can tell I feel much better than I did this

time last year..

Warning on removal though from diet soda..do it slowly..if you

remove it all at once you may find GI stress as well as migraines

etc for a few days..being a chemical your body becomes dependant on

it and you will go through withdrawals if you quit too quick...

Generally speaking you want complete removal for 4 weeks before you

add it back in..Some find complete removal solves the problem and

they do not want to add it back in, others do not notice the

reaction until after they add it back in..

Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

Tammy Wolfgram wrote: Well, it can't be because of corn syrup, as there is no corn syrup of any kind in diet soda. Corn syrup would contain too many calories to be in a diet soda. The sweetener you are thinking of is called aspertame. The idea that aspertame is dangerous or poison has been debunked by many resources, but I have so much trouble that I am willing to try nearly anything:) I am looking forward to hearing more info from Topper on this, and may go for a trial period without diet soda to see if I notice any improvement in how I feel. With regard to that, , how long of a time would you think adequate to test whether the soda has been negatively affecting me? As I mentioned in a previous

email, I drink a lot of diet pepsi, as it is my main beverage. Tammy PS If you are interested in reading some of the info that debunks the idea that aspertame is dangerous, etc. check out this Snopes page. There are additional links at the bottom of the page. I think it's important to look at information from a variety of sources: http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp No, it's not the HFCS, but it could be the aspartame/Equal used to sweeten the diet sodas. The truth is that aspartame breaks down over time or with heat

and forms formaldahyde. However, most folks don't necessarily have a problem/reaction with it, so of course, Snopes looked up the research and debunked it as a myth. What needs to be taken into account is the folks that DO have the severe reaction to the stuff. I can't use it because it gives me severe headaches. Splenda/sucralose has the same effect on me, but it takes a larger dose. I can use saccharine with no problems, but I don't like the stuff. I've never tried using stevia because it doesn't bother me to use regular sugar. Just remember that just because it doesn't cause a reaction in a large percentage of the population, doesn't mean it isn't poison to others. Kathy >^,,^<KitzCat146@...http://www.chaytongroup.com/modernbill/order/index.php?aid=ka081104http://www.heartwarmers4u.com/members/?kitzcatkitzcat2001 on Yahoo Messengerkitzcat on MSN MessengerIn a

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Kat. Four weeks sounds like a reasonableamount of time for the body to adjust to "life withoutsoda." I thought it was interesting that you said thatsome people don't notice the effects of somethinguntil they add it back in. So if I don't notice a change,it's important to see what happens if I start drinkingsoda again. This will be interesting. Hard, but interesting. Soda, I think, is more of a convenienceand a habit than anything else.You mentioned something else in your post thatI wanted to comment on. I think a great deal of thereason that we see more diagnosis of various diseases now than say 50 years ago is that wehave better diagnostic tools now. Many things usedto go undiagnosed, misdiagnosed or poorly diagnosed.For example, esophageal adenocarcinoma is onthe rise, while incidence of gastric cancer has fallen.I believe that at least part of the change in incidenceof these two cancers is more accurate diagnosis.What they used to diagnose as stomach cancer, theyare now more accurately pinpointing as esophagealcancer, which often occurs just above the gastro-esophageal junction. I think that many diseasesand conditions that would have gone without diagnosis in our grandparents are being accuratelydiagnosed in us and in our children today. I wonderif the future will see even more accurate and individualized diagnostic testing?Take care,Tammy PS If you are interested in reading some of the info that debunks > the idea that aspertame is dangerous, etc. check out this Snopes > page. There are additional links at the bottom of the page. I think > it's important to look at information from a variety of sources: > > http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp > I checked out the link and you are right..unfortunately that is an extreme mailing on aspertame..Aspertame directly does not cause MS, Lupus, etc.. any excess in chemicals in your body can be the trigger or can run your body down enough to trigger an autoimune response.. Aspertame is a chemical, to my knowledge it has proven to cause tumors in labatory rats..at what duration and dosage I do not know.. Aspertame is also known to cause GI upset and other digestive disorders. My take on things..naturally occuring sugar is an important part of your diet..the digestive tract has tiny fibres who's main purpose is to remove starch and sucrose from food..it removes the two together cause it needs the starch to break down more complex sugars which in turn helps with the body's metabolism.. The body does not recognize a chemical as being sugar, no sugar, no starch, the digestive tract becomes weaker as the fibres stop working..other things are then pulled into the blood stream toxins, chemicals etc..while the important enzymes are left in the digestive system. You hear different versions of things, Lupus, MS, FMS, Thyroid etc..are getting worse, The pharmacutical companies are trying to make us sicker..cancer is on the rise.. Some say it is because with medical intervention we are living older so our bodies are breaking down more..it use to be only the fittest survived and now with medicine everyone survives so now we have more medical complications. The theory on the otherside is the more chemicals added to the food, the more genetically modified the food becomes and the more depleted the soil becomes the the more these autoimmune diseases arise.. I know for myself both to be true.. I am very chemical sensitive..tons of allergies and all of them are chemicals..either food additives or pharmacueticals..I also know trying to track family history for thyroid related disorders that it is a little mucked for terminology or real diagnosis.. My grandma was a ballroom dancer, when she turned 20 she had a goiter, no diagnosis, treatment consisted of a special diet to put wieght on.. no replacement hormone...when she passed away a few years ago she still had the goiter( small) and no replacement therapy..her Grandfather had his thyroid removed because he could not swim..he was a british swimmer( athlete)and on his medical records it actually says thyroid removed because he could not swim.. Diagnosis??? As far as the removal diet goes..as far as I am concerned it does less harm and is the way to go.. I still have no diagnosis..but just over a year ago being told I have a problem with my thyroid, everyone had helpful hints..add iodine you have too little..reduce iodine, you have too much.. I took the illimination route.. I cut out as much iodine as I could..two weeks later I did an oops..went for breakfast with a few other mom's from school and had an egg/ham sandwich..my pulse went to 185..I had two people look at me and tell me I had Grave's that I did not even know..for me the reaction was that strong I got my answer and now my hyper swings are farther apart although getting more intense..so Iodine was a key player. The thing is though avoiding the Iodine for the first few weeks I really did not notice I was feeling any better..my pulse had dropped from just over 100 down to 95..and I was not sleeping much better. Now being on low iodine for a while I get drastic reactions to excessive iodine..and I can tell I feel much better than I did this time last year.. Warning on removal though from diet soda..do it slowly..if you remove it all at once you may find GI stress as well as migraines etc for a few days..being a chemical your body becomes dependant on it and you will go through withdrawals if you quit too quick... Generally speaking you want complete removal for 4 weeks before you add it back in..Some find complete removal solves the problem and they do not want to add it back in, others do not notice the reaction until after they add it back in.. Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

It is all so complicated isn't it? Figuring out what is better and what

is worse these days. Just tonight I was watching the Jim Lehr (sp?) news

hour .. and they did a piece on a nuclear facility (Exelon) that has

hidden the fact that they leaked 6 million gallons of water containing

radioactive Tritium. (not diluted but the straight stuff) since 1996!

This is SW of Chicago in Will County. In the report they said this was

on top of the amount of diluted radioactive tritium they are ALLOWED BY

LAW to dump into the Kanakee (sp?) River. The investigator said the

negligence is worse than Homer Simpson with his donuts at the nuclear

plant. They talked about what this stuff can do to the body - they

described it as a bullet that shatters dna leaving fragments to form

cancer. It just stinks of that evil situation that Brockovich movie

with . They pinpointed areas around the US where Tritium

has leaked in big amounts - it was rather disgusting. I wonder what this

does to the DNA of future generations and what diseases they'll be prone

to - like we are to this thyroid stuff currently. Sad huh?

-Lynn

Tammy Wolfgram wrote:

>

> You mentioned something else in your post that

> I wanted to comment on. I think a great deal of the

> reason that we see more diagnosis of various

> diseases now than say 50 years ago is that we

> have better diagnostic tools now. Many things used

> to go undiagnosed, misdiagnosed or poorly diagnosed.

> For example, esophageal adenocarcinoma is on

> the rise, while incidence of gastric cancer has fallen.

> I believe that at least part of the change in incidence

> of these two cancers is more accurate diagnosis.

> What they used to diagnose as stomach cancer, they

> are now more accurately pinpointing as esophageal

> cancer, which often occurs just above the gastro-

> esophageal junction. I think that many diseases

> and conditions that would have gone without

> diagnosis in our grandparents are being accurately

> diagnosed in us and in our children today. I wonder

> if the future will see even more accurate and

> individualized diagnostic testing?

>

> Take care,

> Tammy

[Guest guest]

> Just remember that just because it doesn't cause a reaction in a

> large percentage of the population, doesn't mean it isn't poison to

> others.

>

>

Good point, Kathy. We'll see how I fare without the diet pepsi.

Tammy

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,I'm just curious, as my daughter's boyfriend is from thearea southwest of Chicago. Is the name of the riverKanakee or Kankakee? Because if it's the Kankakee,I actually know where that is!  What you describe interms of allowing radioactive material into rivers likethat is just unbelievable. We get the world we deserve.It makes me want to punch the head of the nuclearfacility in the nose, for all the good it would do. Don'tthese people have any consciences? They know toomuch to plead ignorance. Do you recall the mutantfrogs they found in certain areas? Things like thishave to be stopped!Pheww! Well..... I'm glad I got THAT off my chest:)Take care,Tammy It is all so complicated isn't it? Figuring out what is better and what is worse these days. Just tonight I was watching the Jim Lehr (sp?) news hour .. and they did a piece on a nuclear facility (Exelon) that has hidden the fact that they leaked 6 million gallons of water containing radioactive Tritium. (not diluted but the straight stuff) since 1996! This is SW of Chicago in Will County. In the report they said this was on top of the amount of diluted radioactive tritium they are ALLOWED BY LAW to dump into the Kanakee (sp?) River. The investigator said the negligence is worse than Homer Simpson with his donuts at the nuclear plant. They talked about what this stuff can do to the body - they described it as a bullet that shatters dna leaving fragments to form cancer. It just stinks of that evil situation that Brockovich movie with . They pinpointed areas around the US where Tritium has leaked in big amounts - it was rather disgusting. I wonder what this does to the DNA of future generations and what diseases they'll be prone to - like we are to this thyroid stuff currently. Sad huh? -Lynn Tammy Wolfgram wrote: > > You mentioned something else in your post that > I wanted to comment on. I think a great deal of the > reason that we see more diagnosis of various > diseases now than say 50 years ago is that we > have better diagnostic tools now. Many things used > to go undiagnosed, misdiagnosed or poorly diagnosed. > For example, esophageal adenocarcinoma is on > the rise, while incidence of gastric cancer has fallen. > I believe that at least part of the change in incidence > of these two cancers is more accurate diagnosis. > What they used to diagnose as stomach cancer, they > are now more accurately pinpointing as esophageal > cancer, which often occurs just above the gastro- > esophageal junction. I think that many diseases > and conditions that would have gone without > diagnosis in our grandparents are being accurately > diagnosed in us and in our children today. I wonder > if the future will see even more accurate and > individualized diagnostic testing? > > Take care, > Tammy

[Guest guest]

Hi Tammy,

I went to see if the whole news story was online, but since they just

ran it tonight, they only have a blurb. If you check here tomorrow,

maybe they'll put a link to the whole story?

Radioactive Leaks

Exelon Corporation didn’t publicly acknowledge at least six spills of

water containing radioactive tritium until recently--even though the

first one happened in 1996. NewsHour Correspondent Brackett of

WTTW, Chicago reports from Will County, Illinois.

Blurb found here:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/newshour_index.html

I'm in SE Wisconsin, so anything near Chicago makes me raise my (thyroid

thinning) eyebrows!

Oh - wait I found you a link: ... it is the Kankakee at the Braidwood

plant location. Does that help you narrow it down?

The Tribune has a story - but I haven't read it yet myself:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0604070302apr07,1,3100608.story?col\

l=chi-news-hed

I better get off line now.

Night all!

-Lynn

Tammy Wolfgram wrote:

> Hi Lynn,

>

> I'm just curious, as my daughter's boyfriend is from the

> area southwest of Chicago. Is the name of the river

> Kanakee or Kankakee? Because if it's the Kankakee,

> I actually know where that is! What you describe in

> terms of allowing radioactive material into rivers like

> that is just unbelievable. We get the world we deserve.

> It makes me want to punch the head of the nuclear

> facility in the nose, for all the good it would do. Don't

> these people have any consciences? They know too

> much to plead ignorance. Do you recall the mutant

> frogs they found in certain areas? Things like this

> have to be stopped!

>

> Pheww! Well..... I'm glad I got THAT off my chest:)

>

> Take care,

> Tammy

[Guest guest]

Lynn, you can't live too far from where I do. I am

in Hartland, which is about 20 minutes west of

downtown Milwaukee. I live about three miles

north of I-94, just off of 83, if you know where that

is.

Tammy

who also has to stop being such a nite owl:)

PS I found the book! Thanks.

> Hi Tammy,

>

> I went to see if the whole news story was online, but since they just

> ran it tonight, they only have a blurb. If you check here tomorrow,

> maybe they'll put a link to the whole story?

>

> Radioactive Leaks

> Exelon Corporation didn’t publicly acknowledge at least six spills of

> water containing radioactive tritium until recently--even though the

> first one happened in 1996. NewsHour Correspondent

> Brackett of

> WTTW, Chicago reports from Will County, Illinois.

>

> Blurb found here:

> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/newshour_index.html

>

> I'm in SE Wisconsin, so anything near Chicago makes me raise my

> (thyroid

> thinning) eyebrows!

>

> Oh - wait I found you a link: ... it is the Kankakee at the Braidwood

> plant location. Does that help you narrow it down?

>

> The Tribune has a story - but I haven't read it yet myself:

> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/

> chi-0604070302apr07,1,3100608.story?coll=chi-news-hed

>

> I better get off line now.

>

> Night all!

> -Lynn

>

> Tammy Wolfgram wrote:

>> Hi Lynn,

>>

>> I'm just curious, as my daughter's boyfriend is from the

>> area southwest of Chicago. Is the name of the river

>> Kanakee or Kankakee? Because if it's the Kankakee,

>> I actually know where that is! What you describe in

>> terms of allowing radioactive material into rivers like

>> that is just unbelievable. We get the world we deserve.

>> It makes me want to punch the head of the nuclear

>> facility in the nose, for all the good it would do. Don't

>> these people have any consciences? They know too

>> much to plead ignorance. Do you recall the mutant

>> frogs they found in certain areas? Things like this

>> have to be stopped!

>>

>> Pheww! Well..... I'm glad I got THAT off my chest:)

>>

>> Take care,

>> Tammy

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

My dad worked as the PR man for a metallurgical company that made

rare metals. His office was not far from the settling ponds, and he

knew things about the setttling ponds leaking. This was at a time

when government was cracking down, finally, on factories not

polluting the rivers (as much.) There were studies done on plant

life and birds and such in the area, if there were. At first, no

birds, as they cleaned up, some returned. But, my dad couldn't

handle being PR for the company when he knew the things they were

doing that were bad for the environment, and he quit the job. The

factory actually planted 100's of trees surrounding the property as

a way to show people that their emissions didn't kill trees. When

we were kids, my parents were more than vigilant and adamant about

us not even getting our toes wet in that river. Supposedly that

river is cleaned up now, but I still try not to let the water touch

me, and if I was ever to catch a fish from it, it would become

fertilizer in my flower garden. I don't trust that river.

When my husband and I married, he went to that factory to apply for

a job, they paid good money. While there, though, he saw men come

out of a building in hazmat suits, then was told about the car wash

that employees ran their cars through before heading home, every

day. He figured good money wasn't worth his life. The trees around

the property might be growing, but don't drive your cars home before

having them washed off first. <scary face>

US Jane

> Hi Lynn,

>

> I'm just curious, as my daughter's boyfriend is from the

> area southwest of Chicago. Is the name of the river

> Kanakee or Kankakee? Because if it's the Kankakee,

> I actually know where that is! What you describe in

> terms of allowing radioactive material into rivers like

> that is just unbelievable. We get the world we deserve.

> It makes me want to punch the head of the nuclear

> facility in the nose, for all the good it would do. Don't

> these people have any consciences? They know too

> much to plead ignorance. Do you recall the mutant

> frogs they found in certain areas? Things like this

> have to be stopped!

>

> Pheww! Well..... I'm glad I got THAT off my chest:)

>

> Take care,

> Tammy

[Guest guest]

The book Thyroid Balance has a lot of info about diet, lifestyle, treatment options, bloodwork, etc. as well.

Good luck with your book search! I love amazon.com for that lol.

-med

Re: cutting down high fructose and soybean oil - coincidence or improvements?

HI Lynn,

Thanks for the info. Do you know the name of Dr. Blanchard's

book? I may pick up a copy.

Thanks,

Tammy

Hi Tammy,There are foods that you should eat in moderation because of their effect on the thyroid.Also - some foods that contain calcium you should eat 3-4 hours AFTER taking your thyroid meds (if you swallow your pills), because they will bind with the med and wash a portion of your med out of your body before you can absorb it. HOWEVER, that being said, if you always have calcium at the same time as your meds, and you have been optimized on those meds - which accounted for the calcium taking part of that med away - don't suddenly stop taking the calcium at the same time, or you're suddenly start absorbing much more of your thyroid med and throw your system off. The book I read from Dr. Blanchard said if you have always taken it that way - leave it alone, becuase your doc has already (unknowingly) accounted that you'll need an extra large dose for the way you take it. (make sense?)So - what are the foods to eat in MODERATION ....This is a partial list from Dr. Blanchards book:*Soy productssuch as: edamame beans, soybeans, soy ice cram, soy milk, soy protein powders and supplements, tempeh, tofu.*Cruciferous vegetables:broccoli, brussel sprouts (raw), cabbage, cauliflower, kale*Root and starchy vegetables:Carrots, corn, potatoes, sweet potatoes, winter squash*BeveragesCaffeinated drinks, decaf drinks (this does not include decaf or herbal teas - which are good for you), sodas (both diet and regular)*FatsButter, lard, vegetable shortening*NutsPeanuts, Pine NutsHe has a whole section of his book dedicated to food. He also lists Thyroid Friendly foods. And he talks about fish that are lower in mercury and safer to eat. It's a great little book.By the way - he always says moderation, not delete from diet completely. Some of those vegies are my favorite, so I will moderate, but can't erase them or I'd cry :)Hope this helps!-LynnTammy Wolfgram wrote:> Ok, I've got to ask another question here. No one ever told> me there were foods to be avoided by low thyroid folk. Can> you fill me in on this?> > Tammy

[Guest guest]

Tammy,

Does diet Pepsi have high fructose in it? I can't remember. Would you check for me please?

-med

Re: cutting down high fructose and soybean oil - coincidence or improvements?

Lynn,I just reread your note and noticed that diet soda isin the list. I am a diet Pepsi (caffeine-free) FEIND! Doyou know why it is a problem? I drink anywhere from5-10 cans a day, depending on what I'm doing, howhot it is, and what I'm eating.Thanks again,Tammy