Re: Therapeutic use of whey

[Guest guest]

At 05:27 AM 4/13/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>Has anyone used whey for therapeutic purposes? On page 612 of NT the

>sidebar talks about using it for several things including arthritis.

>I don't have that, but my joint linings get inflammed.

I don't know about whey, but both my sister and I got " inflamed joints "

that got better by not eating gluten. Various allergies (among other

things) can cause joint pain. Her immunologist said hers wasn't arthritis

either: mine was never officially diagnosed.

Heidi

[Guest guest]

I am also wondering how one would even drink whey. I guess I have not tried it,

but it sounds very sour. I do not know if I could get my husband to try it!

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----- Original Message -----

From: lisamc8898

Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 12:27 AM

Subject: Therapeutic use of whey

Has anyone used whey for therapeutic purposes? On page 612 of NT the

sidebar talks about using it for several things including arthritis.

I don't have that, but my joint linings get inflammed. Doc said its

not arthritis; I forgot what its called. Anyway, I was thinking that

perhaps I should try consuming whey to see if it helps. The

inflamation seems to be spreading to different joints (index finger,

wrist and foot) which makes the joint painful to use. As usual Doc

was not concerned about it; guess he wants to wait until I can't

move and then try to " save " me! HA! Anyway, on page 87 it says that

whey helps joints move and ligaments stay elastic; as well as for

digestion. Has anyone used whey therapeuticly? If so, did it

work/help and how much did you take, etc...? Thank, LiSaC

[Guest guest]

> Doc said its not arthritis; I forgot what its called.

....

> The inflamation seems to be spreading to different joints (index finger,

> wrist and foot) which makes the joint painful to use.

,

I suspect your doctor may be mildly retarded or perhaps experiencing

progressive dementia. Arthritis is not a disease, it is a description of a

symptom: specifically the sensations of joint pain and stiffness. As such,

for any doctor to tell a patient that generalized and/or progressive joint

pain and stiffness is not arthritis is ignorant and illogical in the

extreme. There are, in fact, instances of acute, localized inflammation

that would indeed not be called arthritis such as tendonitis, bursitis,

tears and sprains. However, the fact that you say that the pain is

progressing to other joints is extremely indicative of certain types of

arthritic diseases. Autoimmune arthritis often spreads. Examples of

autoimmune originating arthritis are Rheumatoid Arthritis, Lupus, Ankylosing

Spondilitis, and Lyme's disease. Get rid of your doctor (or at least get a

second opinion). If you don't need a referral to see a specialist, go

directly to a rheumatologist. Depending on the type of autoimmune

condition, it can be dangerous.

If you want any more information, let me know...

Minneapolis

[Guest guest]

Well thanks , I was got the feeling that he was " blowing " me

off about it and this was the second time I asked about it. I had

thought of going to see a specialist just yesterday; don't need a

referral. I was kinda miffed that he didn't even suggest doing some

blood work. My immune system is already taxed with a bad root canal

tooth (getting pulled 5/6 YEHA!) so I am a little concerned about

what's going on. I'm hoping all will clear up some time after the

6th; or at the very least not get any worse. I do still need to know

what it is though.

Oh, its called synovitis. When I checked on-line this doesn't sound

like anything to play with; much less not do further testing. I

dosen't get swollen very much, just a little bit, more

pain/discomfort than anything and loss of strength. Do you know

anything about synovitis? Thanks, LiSaC

PS: I forgot who wrote that their problem turned out to gluten

intolerance. Opps-sorry! :~) Anyway, how long after you changed your

diet did you notice a change?

[Guest guest]

> Oh, its called synovitis. When I checked on-line this doesn't sound

> like anything to play with; much less not do further testing. I

> dosen't get swollen very much, just a little bit, more

> pain/discomfort than anything and loss of strength. Do you know

> anything about synovitis? Thanks, LiSaC

My only familiarity with it is from the checking I just did, but it

definitely sounds like you should see somebody else about this to

rule out more serious conditions like Rheumatoid Arthritis, Lupus or

Lupus-like conditions.

It appeared to me that synovitis falls into 4 categories: pigmented

villonodular synovitis (a benign but painful tumor of the synovial

tissue), transient synovitis (hip pain usually in young children),

Rheunatoid or inflammatory synovitis, and acute synovitis as a result

of injury. In my non-professional opinion, if you're experiencing

symptoms in multiple joints, the most likely candidate is

inflammatory in your case.

Good luck!

PS I believe it was Heidi that posted about the gluten connection.

I'll second that too. I remember reading about a very significant

correlation between incidence of rheumatic conditions and celiac

disease. If I remember correctly, there was also a correlation

between migraines and celiac.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Heidi. The only thing I KNOW that is a problem is dairy. It

messes my gut up something terrible - for days at a time. Now that

I'm off it, no problems. I think I'll try no gluten for at least a

week if not longer and see what happens. Perhaps I'm so used to the

problem(s)that accure with it that I don't even notice it. I thought

I was getting an ulcer before I realized it was milk and cheese

causing the problems. It was horrible!! So I can relate somewhat.

I'll give a gluten-free diet a try and see what happens...I'll let

you know what takes place. (And this time I won't forget your name!

smile)

> >PS: I forgot who wrote that their problem turned out to gluten

> >intolerance. Opps-sorry! :~) Anyway, how long after you changed

your

> >diet did you notice a change?

>

> That would be me. I noticed some change the first week (mostly

feeling

> WORSE, almost like coffee withdrawal), followed by cramps etc. I

didn't

> even think about other issues until much later (a month or two),

when I

> noticed I wasn't having problems. I periodically get sinus

congestion after

> some meals though, and it's not clear what causes it: SOME milk

products

> do, some don't. (like, one brand of cheese is ok, one isn't).

Gluten ALWAYS

> causes problems, but I don't eat it knowingly any more so I

haven't

> experimented (too painful!).

>

> My husband went on a meat-and-vegies diet for two weeks before he

noticed a

> difference, also taking Pepto Bismol (to help with some of the gut

issues)

> for a week. He's had NO sinus problems this year, which is a first

for him

> too. But he's also eating no grains at all except rice and some

masa.

>

>

>

> Heidi Schuppenhauer

> Trillium Custom Software Inc.

> heidis@t...

[Guest guest]

Where did you check, was it on-line? I know its not Lupus as I was

tested for that already due to my MS-like symptoms. Rheumatoid

arthritis, might be. I'm a little confused though: what's the

difference between arthritis and synovitis? Is arthritis the DAMAGE

that's done by synovitis? You always hear about folks having

arthritis, but synovitis isn't hardly ever talked about.

I'm going to run a test like Heidi mentioned and go gluten free for

at least a week - or as long as I can. Shouldn't be to hard. I watch

what I eat pretty well anyway. Give me potatoes or rice and I'm

happy camper! I would not be surprised if I can't tolerate gluten

anymore. Lactose intolerance came out of now where one day! I'm way

too young for all this!! grrrrr....

I'm going to call around tomorrow to see if I can get a name of

a " good " rheumatoid specialist.

Thanks again,

LiSaC

[Guest guest]

Thanks . I get it now.

-- In @y..., Kroyer <skroyer@j...> wrote:

> Arthritis is anything that irritates the joint whether it's

inflammation of

> the cartilage or erosion of the cartilage. Synovitis, is

apparently

> specifically an irritation of the synovium which is a thin

membrane that

> helps to provide a frictionless slippery surface inside the joint.