Splinter Groups (was: Re: pork question)

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> > > > I'm sitting here weighing 10.0000 gram flour samples

for

> > > iron

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>clipped by Dennis

> > >

> > > I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think honesty is the

> best

> > > policy.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > >>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you, " honesty is the best policy " .

> Of

> > course we have realize each person has a differing idea of

> honesty.

> > Anyway, has anyone requested from Sally Fallon the name of the

> dairy

> > farmer and his nephew she told us about thru ? We at

> the

> > very least need to talk to those people and get the information

> first

> > hand,in writing, if possible. I'm sure Sally would give us their

> name.

> > And if not have another " brainstorming " session. Dennis

>

> Dennis,

>

> Suppose the best possible scenario: we contact Sally's nephew and he

> corroborates her. We also manage to dig up the 'calves fed

> pastuerized milk die before maturity' study. And lets suppose that

> both Sally's nephew and this study found that even when you graze

> calves, they die before maturity when fed pastuerized milk.

>

>>>>>>> I'm following you thru this point.

>

Now realize that 99.99% of the industrialized world feeds their

> calves pastuerized milk.

>>>>>>>>> I don't think 99.9% of the industrialized world feeds

calves pasteurized milk. In America anyway, dairymen don't pasteurize

the milk they feed calves. They feed raw milk here in the midwest, I

think. Those huge dairies out in Ca or Arizona might pasteurize

before feeding calves.

Science works by corroboration and

> reproducibility. Furthermore, there are tons of studies in dairy

> science journals, such as those found by Carmen, that show that

> calves fed pastuerized milk don't die before maturity.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

how many of those articles have you read. The one article I

read didn't propose, postulate or hypothesize " calves fed pasteurized

milk die before maturity. Or pasteurized milk affects maturity of

calves? Did they? Do any of the others?

Do you really want to leave the statement as is, just because we can

> now attach a reference it? Wouldn't you prefer that we acknowlege

the

> full body of research as well as standard animal husbandry practice?

>

>

Sally would leave the statement as is because it is truth in your

hypothetical example....

We're not concerned about standard dairying practice are we? We just

want to prove " calves fed pasteurized milk die before reaching

maturity " to keep NT " credible " , IMO and to give us justification, to

some extent for not consuming pasteurized milk. And if we get the

full research/story it would be ok with me to publish it, however it's

not my book.............I'm no debater nor writer but doesn't that

make sense? After we're sure pasteurized milk is unsafe for calves we

can devise another test as financing allows and as needed. I'm not a

researcher either so maybe some one will want to do some other test.

Dennis